46 (edited by lyra 2007-08-07 10:29:47)

Re: Ron Paul for President?

Warning!   Long, but hopefully interesting post ahead.....



thoughtcrime wrote:

I don't understand how this can be absolutely true.

Call it intuition, if you will.  Something isn't right in our world. The way things are run, the things they want us to think are important and put our focus on.  They've got their peeps and/or trained sheep inserted everywhere into the works to ensure that their version of reality and the way we do things is perpetuated everywhere from the school systems, financial institutions, corporations, the media, military and the government.   Do you notice any new versions of politics, reality, and an overall way of doing things being promoted in the mainstream?   And I mean a complete change in the way things are done, turn everything inside out and upside down, completely different, something that involves true freedoms, peace, unity, non-polluting energy, non-consumerism/materialism, a system of bartering and trade, community living in cooperation with the environment, no stupid media (sitcoms, "reality" tv, the celeb gossip business) etc.  Instead it's the same old messed up way of doing things, with ever-tightening controls every passing year.   And I'd like to think that it's going to take Earth changes/cataclysms to uproot The Powers That Be who are perpetuating the version of reality as we know it, except we all know that they've built their deep underground/mountain bases far inland away from the coasts, and will be shielded while the peasants on the surface get wiped out.  hmm   But in the meantime, they train the sheep how to run the factory as they see fit, and those sheep in turn train all the new incoming sheep, who then train the next batch of sheep, and so on down the generational line. 

But it’s just my intuition – that anybody who’s front and center, in a position of power and authority is "in on it."  The fact that they’ve played along with things far enough to even make it to the finals of the presidency says something about the nature of who they are.  And if I’m not mistaken, most anybody who’s been a President in recent memory has a military track record (with the exception of Clinton, and even G.W. Bush, since his was pretty negligible) and then a post-military political record, be it Governor, Senator, Congressman, etc. And there doesn’t seem much hope of somebody acting and playing along that they’ve only been playing along, in order to get into the White House and then turn around and say "Surprise!  I lied!" then pull the rug out from under the Powers That Be and try to do all this stuff to dismantle the current system.  Because as history has shown, when anybody crosses TPTB, they’re assassinated.  And the public will always look the other way and  believe the “lone gunman” story, no matter how often it’s repeated.


thoughtcrime wrote:

For this to be so, there would have be some sort of process where when someone registers to run for president, the Federal Elections Commission (or whatever) says "oh, John Smith, you'd like to run for president?  Let me just look on this list here....no, I don't see you on my Illuminati list.  You're not one of us, sorry, you can't run."  Because (I could be wrong) I think more or less anyone can run for president who meets a few criteria (at least 35 and natural born citizen) and they pay something like an application fee to the FEC.  If that person is a Republican or Democrat, then they get lumped in with everyone else from that party that's running, and get behind a podium, paraded in front of you.

Yes, anybody can run - they have to leave the public with that illusion, it's how they keep perpetuating that we still live in a true democracy - but it isn't going to be just anybody that makes it into the finals, or winds up as one of the final two candidates in the national election, let alone winning the seat of the presidency.   But do you understand their need to throw crumbs to the peasants?  The need to let the public have their illusions? They have to allow any natural born citizen Schmoe over 35 to believe they have that chance at the election, with the money and the paperwork.  But it isn't going to be just any Schmoe that makes it into the finals. 

People like David Icke have been saying for years that Presidents are SE-lected, not E-lected, because supposedly something like 33 of the 42 U.S. Presidents all had genetics that traced back to England's royal family and beyond, into France's Charlemagne.  (offhand here is one link I found on it all:  http://educate-yourself.org/cn/bushbloodline.shtml There are more out there.....) I can't verify it for myself, but there are people who claim to have done the family tree research, so, I find that interesting.  Al Gore is a cousin to Nixon apparently, and a very distant cousin to Bush, Bush who's related to Winston Churchill, etc. and so on.  I mean, they're all related apparently.  There's a picture that appears in Icke's "Children of the Matrix" that shows then-B-level actor Ronald Reagan sitting right next to Richard Nixon at Bohemian Grove.  What was a B-level actor doing at the Grove with the world’s elite?   Both men went on to become Presidents of the U.S.  though.  On a relevant side note:  Many people don't truly believe that Ronnie was really in charge during his 8 years in the White House, especially not at the end when the Alzheimer's was kicking in, which means that if Bush Sr. was really the one secretly in charge, and the one behind the assassination attempt (there's another story floating around about how John Hinkley had been a dinner guest at the Bush's either days or weeks before the assassination attempt) then that means by 2008, we will have had a Bush in office for 20 out of the last 28 years!!!  That's more than a quarter of a century with the same father and son nightmare duo in charge of this nation, adversely affecting the world.   Never mind that it's pretty much accepted now that G.W. stole the 2000 election and so doesn't even have a rightful place on his throne, I mean, Oval Office desk chair. wink

But remember.......anybody has a shot at the presidency now.  wink  It's not rigged.  Oh no.  Not when every single president has been a white male, and most of the Presidents are all inter-related in some way with royal genetics, belonging to Bohemian Grove and Skull and Bones and other secret societies.


Thoughtcrime wrote:

So it would seem to me that it's quite possible for someone who's not "in on it" to be amongst the candidates.  Since this can happen, there are doubtlessly measures in place for dealing with someone who dared to think that anyone truly could just run on their own.  Primarily, they would be ignored and/or mocked by the media.  This is exactly what is happening with Ron Paul.

Well, if you say so.  !  I listened to another Ron Paul speech excerpt last night actually, over at YouTube, and something he noted in that speech excerpt was that he voted for this country to invade Afghanistan right after 9/11.  That's being kind of "in on it" in my opinion, regardless of what the rest of his persona is all about.

So while me, and a small group of other people in this country were busy NOT believing the ludicrous bunk story that the mainstream media was feeding us about who was behind 9/11 and why, Ron Paul not only believed it.................................but followed along with the "Let's bomb the crap out of Afghanistan and kill thousands of innocent civilians because Dubya told us that it was Osama bin Laden, and that Osama is in Afghanistan!!" sheep herd mentality.

Ron Paul is going to be your "lesser of the various evils."  Nothing more.  I'm glad that I coincidentally watched that YouTube speech clip last night to glean that bit of info. on Ron Paul in time for this particular discussion.  I'm not all hateful towards him, although I'm sure it sounds like that, I'm just sort of head shaking, frustrated at anybody who would have not only believed the official 9/11 story, but backed the illegal, non-declared invasion of Afghanistan and the killing of people the way he did.  (On a non-relevant side note, it makes me mad when I hear celeb anti-war protesters or any anti-war person in general whining that “Bush lied to us!  You tricked us!” The whole, "realizing only five to six years AFTER the fact that the public was lied to about invading Afghanistan or Iraq under the pretext of bin Laden and weapons of mass destruction."  When I hear that I get annoyed and think, Hey!  Speak for yourself!!  Nobody tricked ME, I only believed the official story for the first week after 9/11 then after that I came to my senses, and I was never for the invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq, neither one ever made sense to me!  Because I have a brain that works, thank you.)  Anyway, end of non-relevant side rant...!



thoughtcrime wrote:

It seems to me that the elites are genuinely frightened of this man, which makes me like him all the more.

Wishful thinking, based on being an innocent human versus a cold blood reptile.  wink  They can, and do have people knocked off like *that* (snap your fingers.)  They're not frightened of him.  Didn't the 2000 "election" teach us anything?   They control who gets to the Oval Office.  It won't matter if the public likes Ron Paul, TPTB completely control who "wins."  They're not frightened of anything.  They run the planet.  How could they be?


thoughtcrime wrote:

OF COURSE, it is a huge possiblity that can't be considered enough, that "they" know the discontent is so high right now, that they need one of their own to look like an outsider, look like someone that frightens the establishment so people like myself will put our hope and support behind the agenda nonetheless.  I don't (right now) think this is the case, however.

Well, I encourage you to do more research if you still believe that all of this conspiracy talk is only the slim possibility of what may be happening on this planet.  It may seem cliché to say by this point, but David Icke is a good place to go for starters, only because he packs so many subjects into his books.  But there are other authors and internet researchers also doing the same work, to expose things.

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Making this post leads me to think, Okay, so then what do we DO about all of this??  Can we even do anything??   Others are probably thinking that too.  And you know, I really don’t know anymore.  It’s been on my mind a lot lately.   Earlier today in fact I did a Sabian Symbols oracle reading http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=5540 and asked it to give me a general reading about whatever it felt like I needed to hear, since I couldn’t pinpoint anything in particular to ask.  But considering that these issues have been on my mind lately, the whole, “What do we DO about the neg controllers that are running this planet into the ground and killing everybody and destroying everything!!  What do we do about the ignorant masses that support them!!  The ones who probably aren’t even real anyway because they seem completely incapable of seeing what’s happening!!!!!” along with the extreme mounting frustration about it all, I found my reading quite relevant.  (Relevant excerpts posted here):


Taurus 17 – A Symbolical Battle Between "Swords," the Disciples of Might, and "Torches," the Disciples of Enlightenment.   

Commentary:  "A Symbolical Battle" is pictured here, between the "Swords and Torches."  The "Swords" are pictured to be "the Disciples of Might" and the "Torches," the "Disciples of Enlightenment."  The "Swords" show weapons and strong-arm tactics, whereas the “Torches” are instruments that bring truth and light.  Arguments over ideals can easily lead to "Battles" and war.  This suggests a split between using power and strength and using reason and intelligence.

Oracle:  …..The endeavor to bring "Enlightenment" to people often meets with resistance, particularly when this “Enlightenment” will disrupt the usual process of things.   One can see this in places where the media has a stranglehold on information.  In some instances it is for political agendas and in others it is for commercial reasons, but the effect is the same:  to achieve or to maintain a particular agenda by persuasive force.   "Battles" are only truly worth fighting when the ideals behind them are clearly believe din or understood.  To do this t is often important to pause and reassess why you are doing what you are doing….

Keywords:  The battle of "might vs. light."  The Spear of Destiny.  Spiritual differences.  Arguments.  The story of Hitler.  The Inquisition.  The Crusades.  Bringing love and light to war zones. The pen being mightier than the sword.  Peace marches, candles, torches.  Weapons.  The might of the media.

Caution:  Controlling those around with rational or brute force rather than with inner enlightenment or knowledge.   People arguing over ideals.  Forcing opinions on each other.  Religious conflicts.  War rallies.  Propaganda.


Since I'm not fighting in my real world life with anybody, I can only take this to refer to what’s been on my mind lately, the whole "How do we fight back against this corrupt system!" thing that’s been on my mind.   As noted in the Sabian Symbols thread, the accuracy of these oracle readings is unbelievable.....

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Ron Paul for President?

That was an excellent reply, thank you for that.  It's going to take me a little bit of time to reply intelligently.

"Isolation, mis-education, and for the very clever there is looming liquidation."  -Catch Twenty-Two "Bad Party"

48 (edited by lyra 2007-08-06 22:55:16)

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thoughtcrime wrote:

That was an excellent reply, thank you for that.  It's going to take me a little bit of time to reply intelligently.

Well it was a bit of a ramble, but in a nutshell to answer your question it's that the candidates for the U.S. presidency are usually drawn from a pretty mainstream pool, and that mainstream pool is usually populated by the people who serve the system, put into strategic place by the powers that be, (groups like the Freemasons for instance are known to help their own kind with promotions and positions of power, favoring their fellow Brothers over the common folk) ie,  They're people who want to keep perpetuating the system as we know it instead of completely dismantling it.  And in the meantime, they throw the peasants some crumbs by giving the population the illusion of a free and open election when in truth, only specially selected and groomed targets make it to the finish line.  And the sad part is, nowadays the specially selected target is just a figurehead.  It's not the "person" who's really running the show. 

Anyway, that would be a better and more condensed way of putting it all.


ps edit

Here's a good question to throw out there -

What do any of the presidential hopefuls plan to do about the Patriot Act?  About the internet monitoring and extended wire tapping that was just put into effect nationwide last month?  And about the fact that the "U.S. Government" can now burst into your home, accuse you of being a terrorist, and haul you off to a detention camp without trial?

Do any of the presidential hopefuls, Ron Paul included, have anything to say about all this?

Nobody seems to be asking these questions that I know of.  The public is AMAZINGLY silent when it comes to these things.  But don't you want to know what Ron Paul for instance plans to do about the Patriot Act?  Will he dismantle it if elected, being that it's the creation of the Bush Cabinet and a gross violation of the Constitution?  Or will he ignore it like a big elephant in the room and let it quietly continue, under the radar, hoping nobody notices? 

Does anybody know if Ron Paul or anybody else has addressed these issues?  I'd be curious to hear.....

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Lyra

It's really been weighing on me lately, this question of what can we do, if anything. If we don't happen to pass through some 'magical' 2012 gateway and instantly find ourselves in the golden age, then that means we have to DO something... and I'm not counting on it just happening. It'd be great if it happens, but the idea could very easily be a disinfo control tactic... "don't worry about it, guys, after 2012 everything's gonna be fine."

You know that phrase that we all take to be gospel truth: "Power corrupts."

Well, here's an idea. Maybe that's not true. TPTB are corrupt, for sure, but that doesn't mean anybody who is powerful is automatically corrupt. Maybe this idea is a myth that serves to disempower people. Maybe POWER isn't such an evil thing. Maybe some kind of hierarchy is necessary to human society, especially a global civilization.

I have a myth in my head that there once reigned a noble ruling class. Devine kings. A class of merchants and bankers emerged and used the principles of democracy to take the power from the kings (and queens) and hide their new power from the people. The old rulers were written in the histories to be evil tyrants. The new PTB are our demoncratically (freudian spelling slip, there) elected saviors!

We can study how TPTB have achieved their power. We can learn from them, and we can use what I pray will be powerful energy dynamics of love. Create a new order.

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lyra wrote:

Nobody seems to be asking these questions that I know of.  The public is AMAZINGLY silent when it comes to these things.  But don't you want to know what Ron Paul for instance plans to do about the Patriot Act?  Will he dismantle it if elected, being that it's the creation of the Bush Cabinet and a gross violation of the Constitution?  Or will he ignore it like a big elephant in the room and let it quietly continue, under the radar, hoping nobody notices? 

Does anybody know if Ron Paul or anybody else has addressed these issues?  I'd be curious to hear.....

Yes lyra,  Ron Paul is against the patriot act, he voted against it.  He is against anything that isn't authorized by the constitution

You can here him talk about the Patriot Act here  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O7D7nDF0U8

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Piece_ofnothing wrote:
lyra wrote:

Nobody seems to be asking these questions that I know of.  The public is AMAZINGLY silent when it comes to these things.  But don't you want to know what Ron Paul for instance plans to do about the Patriot Act?  Will he dismantle it if elected, being that it's the creation of the Bush Cabinet and a gross violation of the Constitution?  Or will he ignore it like a big elephant in the room and let it quietly continue, under the radar, hoping nobody notices? 

Does anybody know if Ron Paul or anybody else has addressed these issues?  I'd be curious to hear.....

Yes lyra,  Ron Paul is against the patriot act, he voted against it.  He is against anything that isn't authorized by the constitution

You can here him talk about the Patriot Act here  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O7D7nDF0U8

Thanks for posting that....

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52 (edited by zenden 2007-08-08 11:32:26)

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well Mencius, and in response to that other thread about marduk and the ARCHONS and the trade route boys.==U R ON IT.  u have it right up there.  thats EXACTLY what happened.  the divine right is ours and its been taken away, cleverly shifted away, always covertly manipulated and stomped on and we're laughed at.  we know it, we feel it.  the great ARCHONS sponsor the bankers, always have. the real "ROYALs" aint who they are, yet those bloodlines do speak, on purpose.  as i have said before, the foresight into "this" is incredible.  there u see evidence of the "plan" which has ranged for eons.  is that not quite the deal? quite the mystery, quite the story.  always there is/has been, a or THE puppet master.  the 'rulers' of this world do not really rule. but their bloodlines run on to the bidding of the REAL MASTERS.  they have been bred to be used, out front.  blh blah.  the ppl bow, cry and sway att their antics.  celebrities take up the slack nd have actually replaced them.  and THATS THE INDUSTRY of the century dontcha know.  god, i love it.   its figurehead time, give the ppl some meat and potatoes, as lyra said.  the runners of the world are not who they seem.  there are ruling families behind those lines.  literally, really behind the literal lines.  frontlines, battlelines, all lines and so forth.    go to rumomillnews.com and read the "king of the world" section.  thats a good one.  the 'royal' families work for THE families and its more complicated and LAYERED and way more insidious and evil and cruel than the rockefellers and the rothschilds.  oh yeah--way more to it.  and its off-world.  everybody is USED to fit their bill.  everyone and all things are consumed/USED and considered as a resource.  all is for profit or use, or consumption. (ie the merchant of venice, etc, stories stories, and that real story of economics we have mentioned in a cpl of places, more than once).  stunning evidence.  oh YES--the puppet master and plural.  amazing.

yet, there is a world or a reality in and around that that is not touched, uncorrupted, that is simply gorgeous and wonderful as u say/believe.  of course.  they would like to have control OF IT ALL but there is a natural order of things when this other world is completely unnatural and not of the divine order we want, and strive for.  evil--archons pervade.  the rulers are sponsored by them.  it matters not what ginny they have in front for president.  that is a terrible joke, nothing new there.  could care less.  is a puppet on a string, with its ownh mess swaddled in the positiin.  oh indeed==the layers of deceit and madness, and MERCANTILISM.  and FRAUD.   they have many industries, but so does the mother.  she is alive, and things will go her way, ultimately.  it is a deep WRONG to run the world criminally like this.  u, me, WE-- feel it in out bones.  yes, it is a criminal enterprise, not rehab-able.  no.  criminal minds and intent flourish here.  and yes, we all play our parts, but deep in the heart of it its rotten.  and thats not most of us.  we have no intent to dominate, rule by secrecy, sway and trick.  cant u just see it thru all major civilizations?  there have always been the masses and the string pullers.  the 'mayors' of the palaces, the priests, their cohorts and families are way more powerful and manipulative many many times than the actual rulers.  there is more than one puppet master and somewhere, there really is a/the king of the world.  unreal, maddening, handed down for generations.  any perpetuation of it must go.  that is the plan, to reset the hardrive here.  too many viruses, too much interference.  they, the archons must move on.  they r desperately clinging.  everything has changed since the early 50's.  that was the setup for the latest 'local' crap.  from covered wagon to computer chip in under 100 yrs or even less.  see the 50's with the gleaming toasters.  there one has it.  the jetsons were next.  we just watch and wait and equate.  nowhere to run.  we watch the show.  we see the puppet master t work, in the networks, behind the news, at war, in the whitehouse, on wall street, in the pentagon, in the small community town halls, in the schools, in the churches, all over.  busying ITSELF/himself with day to day matters, all with a plan.  that is the most remarkable factor.  that damn plan.  is he AHRIMAN?  an embodiment of him/it?  he is an archon, thats for sure.  from the anu family? how those 2 factions relate--connect is key.  they always have their plans, but so does the 'natural' world.  a criminal entity vs a non.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

53 (edited by Nyarlathotep 2007-08-08 11:53:56)

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THere is A LOT that can be done on an individual basis. Forget all the whatevers about who is running for office and what is going on around the world. If you just look a the law, learn the law, then you got your guns. Ive had more than a couple lawyers get in my face and say not to waste my time. Hmmmm.  They seem to think Im just an ant that is standing up in front of a steam roller saying "halt". But there are methods to working the system and getting out of it yet still having that system/government provide you with the highest levels of protection. Not all of government is bad BECAUSE areas of it are ready and waiting for people to wake up and use the protection and service that they offer.

The problem is most everyone has too many contractual obligations to the beast and they dont even know it. Even if they do know they think, well I need it to survive.

I stress that anyone who is interested in this go to sendnomoney.com and at the bottom of the page click on the link that says "kenen". There you will hear and very interesting conversation and you will catch drift of a 5 step process to get completely out of the system, yet still hav ethe government provide you with protection under 40 stat 411 the trading with the enemy act. There is a LOT going on, and if you cant hang with it dont get frustersated. Its ALL law and contract, ALL OF IT.  If you think you live in a universe of Law, and we live in a society with the rule of LAW, then you need to understand that there is no contract without law, and there is no law without contract.

The reason the people are being screwed over and and the powers that be are doing what they are doing is because they can. THey look at all these contracts and say " well, looks like I have a ton of obligation here". They may tweek it and reword things, but a lot of the words used in law are completely different than the words we use every day, for example "human being" and "person".The bad guys so to speak took advantage of this senerio a long time ago. People dont understand how tied up and gaged they are by these contractual obligations, from the social security adhesions, to your birth certificate, to you drivers lisence, to the registration, to your mortgage, THE WHOLE BAG OF SHIT!

In the words of Robert Menard " I dont hear people complaining about their lawful government. I hear employees bitching about their employer".

Some sites to check out are

adventuresinlegalland.com
sendnomoney.com
thinkfree.ca

Within these sites is enough information to keep you busy for years if you are truly interested (;

Peace

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I was very skeptical of Ron Paul at first, but the more I read about him, the more I like... I've never believed that voting is likely to make much difference, but I see nothing to lose in casting a protest vote for Ron Paul. So I will! If nothing else, it will make me feel better... smile

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Every time I seeth Ron Paul, heareth Ron Paul or thinketh Ron Paul a feeling of hope ariseth within my breast.

Homemade ad for RP, only a few minutes long:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Fsv7iwZRc

"Violence solves everything. If it's not solving your problems, you aren't using enough of it."

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And some balanced reporting fro ABC
http://rpmuv.wordpress.com/2007/08/06/y … -this-one/

"Violence solves everything. If it's not solving your problems, you aren't using enough of it."

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Ron Paul is pro legalization of drugs another reason to vote for him.

Ron Paul on Morton Downey Jr. 1988 - Pt. 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHB2I83_N_k&NR=1

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Ron Paul is a genius. Watch any internet, in-depth interview with the guy, and you'll see that he's for real. His heath-care stance may seem cold and un-caring - but when he explains how the system can work well without government intervention - it is just genius and it embodies the love that can transform the world.  What a wise, woderful, world leader he would be...but I can't say I'm positive that it's a possible probability.

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aNDRE dILOn wrote:

Ron Paul is a genius. Watch any internet, in-depth interview with the guy, and you'll see that he's for real. His heath-care stance say seem cold and un-caring - but when he explains how the system can work well without government intervention - it is just genius and it embodies the love that can transform the world.  What a wise, woderful, world leader he would be...but I can't say I'm positive that it's a possible probability.

I'm not sure about Ron Paul.  It's more than a sure shot that he won't get elected for president because of his eager willingness to expose the 9/11 and to abolish the Fed. Reserve.  Even if he was elected he would only put himself in danger going against the current of the mainstream agenda.  The best example is JFK as he wanted to go against the current of the orders given from the highest order of the illuminati. 

All the presidents have been nothing more than puppets being controlled to carry out the agenda of the high order secret societies of the illuminati along with other well known institutions.  All I can say is that it doesn't matter who gets elected the prophecies will in any case continue to unfold.

Peace, PhiConcept.

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aNDRE dILOn wrote:

Ron Paul is a genius. Watch any internet, in-depth interview with the guy, and you'll see that he's for real.

Yes, and yes.