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Pamelajean wrote:

Antaeus wrote:

"There is a dualistic nature to your thoughts, predator vs prey"

Personally, I feel we are all predators and we are all prey.  The almighty ego sees to it that we seek gratification/sustenance. Even in our doing good toward others we get energy; it's a symbiotic universe. We're all just food...

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Keentraveler, Pamelajean is getting tired now and needs a nap. Ha, I'm just kidding Pamelajean, but to end on that note can't have felt real good.

I don't know why you would say that Antaeus, actually it makes me feel great.  I've never been much of one to feel I should receive and not give back.  I eat, I breath, I use energy so actually I feel just fine about returning it back into the universe.  Is there any reason why I should eat food (I'm vegetarian, but recognize vegetables as energetic beings), and not in some way be food for other beings.  I think understanding this process helps me keep my mind and thoughts as good as I can because I'd like energies that feed on positivity to use those thoughts for sustenance. People have been led to believe they are the top of the food chain so their actions and thoughts need not be evaluated. I feel that that's a dangerous belief system and if I bought into it that it, I would feel bad; stating a simple truth does not make me nap needy.

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Pamalajean, I now understand you better and know that my words were misplaced.  If humanity perceives themselves as being at the top of the food-chain, then it should make us realize that we carry some responsibility for the well being of every living being around us.  I still do things like kill spiders and other bugs.  In India, they actually sweep bugs from roadways so automobile traffic doesn't trample them.  I forgot where I heard that.  It seemed kind of rediculous but also kind of noble.  I guess I will never completely get the darkness out of me.  But, NUNC SCIO TENEBRIS LUX.  I think of Oneness and have harmlessness as a virtue for me to strive after.  But I can be capable of doing bad things.  Happily I am not a slave to impulse and as long as I give thought to an action before doing it, that is how I avoid doing harm and injury. Nap needy is pretty funny, mind if I keep that?  You sound like an interesting person, I'm sorry I picked on ya.  I do not see me being a vegetarian in the near future, but I have given it some consideration.  I just finished some rice with a meatball spagetti sauce that my friend gave me.  His girl friend gave him too much.

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Re: mind wars

Antaeus wrote:

Pamalajean, I now understand you better and know that my words were misplaced.  If humanity perceives themselves as being at the top of the food-chain, then it should make us realize that we carry some responsibility for the well being of every living being around us.  I still do things like kill spiders and other bugs.  In India, they actually sweep bugs from roadways so automobile traffic doesn't trample them.  I forgot where I heard that.  It seemed kind of rediculous but also kind of noble.  I guess I will never completely get the darkness out of me.  But, NUNC SCIO TENEBRIS LUX.  I think of Oneness and have harmlessness as a virtue for me to strive after.  But I can be capable of doing bad things.  Happily I am not a slave to impulse and as long as I give thought to an action before doing it, that is how I avoid doing harm and injury. Nap needy is pretty funny, mind if I keep that?  You sound like an interesting person, I'm sorry I picked on ya.  I do not see me being a vegetarian in the near future, but I have given it some consideration.  I just finished some rice with a meatball spagetti sauce that my friend gave me.  His girl friend gave him too much.

It is funny how humans believe they are superior to other animals because they have language and technology. I wonder if other animals suffer from psychosomatic illnesses as well. The earth could wipe out the human species in an instant, as it probably has nearly done before.

Darkness is relative, is it not?

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Interesting posts...

I'll just add,

When i was stationed in Korea back in the 90s I would write ideas down and one of them was what I termed three-dimensional thinking.  After looking at the dualistic structure of statements or language in general, one could then think of a third angle or possibility.  The left, the right and the middle.

Just a memory i have.

As far as being predator and prey, yes, we are both and sometimes neither, or a mixture (the third choice).

The concept of food for others or energy or time for others is at times unavoidable, some call it loosh.

As far as the Vietnam Vets being reviled when they returned home and that many since have commited suicide, I dont know the exact numbers but it would not surprise me that many many have done so.  I wonder how much toll the current War in Iraq will have on our returning soldiers?  I have seen some of the statistics and they look troublesome.  I know that it is hard for vets to get care thru the Vets Hopsitals, and that the level of care is less than the private sector, the VA being understaffed, underbudgeted, and overworked.

I am lucky to be receiving any care at all, and am grateful for what assisstance I do get.

As far as pacifists and warmongerers, there's the dualism again.

We live in such a polarized world of dualistic control and dysfunction.

Divide the masses and conquer them in separate groups, then release the polls and statistics.

It's all so crazy!

No wonder some people like me go mad...

Yes, I would like to find the end of the rainbow where the hills are green, the cliffs white, and clear streams run.

Kinda like that scene in the Lord of the Rings Return of the King, when the wizard Gandalf talks to Pippin about how the journey doesn't end here (at death), beyond the great silver curtain falls and a more peaceful world awaits... (some words to that effect, I dont have it memorized)

As a candle burning on, in the breezy shades of night, I keep up my faith and underset my hope, to call on a realm of light --Little Light of Love --Eric Serra --The Fifth Element (movie soundtrack)

Waving banners, swinging swords, queens and kings and other lords, and the battles of our pride, greed and hunger deep inside, all the sorrow born of pain, cruelty and cruelty again, who will stop this vicious spin, Open Arms and Let Love In  --My Heart Calling  --Moa and Eric Serra --The Messenger (movie soundtrack)
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It is funny how humans believe they are superior to other animals because they have language and technology. I wonder if other animals suffer from psychosomatic illnesses as well. The earth could wipe out the human species in an instant, as it probably has nearly done before.

Darkness is relative, is it not?

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Your message seems a bit foreboding.  What is darkness relative to? light? or the many shades of grey? What is a covert metaphor? anything like pathological allegory?

I have a couple of sisters who have said they don't like people anymore.  They like their dog.  They aren't hermits or the like, one is married and the other dates.  I have wondered for years why they made that comment.  One of them says that she gets angry when she is afraid.  I've come to the conclusion she is afraid often. :-)  I believe we start out elementals, minerals, plants, animals, humans, gods.  1 Cor. 6:3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

how much MORE things that pertain to this life?  I have missed out on a lot of things in life that I would have cherished, loved having, and I've been run through the mill, in extreme fear even for my life.  I'm actually the biggest coward in the world that still gets involved in situations that are grim and constantly fearful, it has made my hair turn grey while still in my twenties.  But I believe that humanity is glorious, because of what they can aspire to if they maintain and direct their will in the right way.

So I would appreciate not hearing some incomplete message that seems to indicate animosity toward humanity.

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20 Reply by covertmetaphor (edited by covertmetaphor 2007-08-05 15:22:07)

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Antaeus wrote:

Your message seems a bit foreboding.  What is darkness relative to? light? or the many shades of grey? What is a covert metaphor? anything like pathological allegory?

I have a couple of sisters who have said they don't like people anymore.  They like their dog.  They aren't hermits or the like, one is married and the other dates.  I have wondered for years why they made that comment.  One of them says that she gets angry when she is afraid.  I've come to the conclusion she is afraid often. :-)  I believe we start out elementals, minerals, plants, animals, humans, gods.  1 Cor. 6:3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

how much MORE things that pertain to this life?  I have missed out on a lot of things in life that I would have cherished, loved having, and I've been run through the mill, in extreme fear even for my life.  I'm actually the biggest coward in the world that still gets involved in situations that are grim and constantly fearful, it has made my hair turn grey while still in my twenties.  But I believe that humanity is glorious, because of what they can aspire to if they maintain and direct their will in the right way.

So I would appreciate not hearing some incomplete message that seems to indicate animosity toward humanity.

My post wasn't meant as a prediction. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

As for the comment about darkness I was actually supporting what you said about having darkness within you. I meant the darkness was relative because someone else may perceive that darkness as a sign of light.

I agree that humanity can aspire to glorious heights, but can do so without claiming superiority over all other lifeforms.

Metaphors can be embedded within other metaphors, each with hidden messages that can bring about unconscious change in people. That is where the term covert metaphor comes from. Your comment on pathological allegory was very clever and funny, but I'm not sure what your intention was. There are multiple interpretations within  the unification of the words pathological and allegory. I like it.

Are you quoting the bible as an authority or just to clarify your previous sentence?

It appears my post triggered something within you. What was it? You are mind reading in your last statement. How did you ever perceive my message as an indication of animosity towards humanity?

I ask my questions Antaeus with the utmost sincerity. I'm rather confused about your previous reaction.

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21 Reply by Mahatma (edited by Mahatma 2007-08-05 15:58:47)

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I haven't the time to read all this thread, but I have to ask this before I forget.

For a long time, over 3 years, I have had the voice of a female in my head, when I hear her it is from the left temple. When I think myself, the voice is somewhere around the middle of my skull. If I have a thought that I am transmitting to someone else, then I believe that I hear this thought around my left temple too.

This female, I've heard things that are simply not true from her. I'm not sure if I'm going mad or if someone is playing games.

I was inspired to makethis post after reading about Project Blue Beam, which was mentioned in the links area.

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It is funny how humans believe they are superior to other animals because they have language and technology. I wonder if other animals suffer from psychosomatic illnesses

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Covert Metaphor.  Did it appear that I was lashing out at you?  I have seen some of your other posts and you seem like an alright person.  The temperature outside has dropped due to rain and my A/C got it too cold in here.  Truthfully, you were concise and I did not take the time to fully understand your meaning.  My error.

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I'll just add,

When i was stationed in Korea back in the 90s I would write ideas down and one of them was what I termed three-dimensional thinking.  After looking at the dualistic structure of statements or language in general, one could then think of a third angle or possibility.  The left, the right and the middle.

Just a memory i have.
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Can you go further with that thought?  To me it brings to mind; severity, mildness, and mercy.  Or maybe it means although I interpret what has been written, quickly, that maybe it has another meaning and possibly a third.  I notice that once you have spoken to someone many times there does not seem to be as many words used to convey your meaning.  But that can even become a trap. Someone you know may expect you to read their minds. :-) 

There are people on this forum who speak of astral viewing, receiving visits from apparitions in their dreams, hearing voices.  That happened to me when I was very young, and the images were frightening, so I turned off reception to them. About a year ago, I was asleep, but suddenly was aware of my rooms interior as if I was awake, perfect clarity.  A dog was near me just looking at me passively, then suddenly some human form came out of the wall, perfect three dimensional human form in black, not clothed in black, but formed of it.  It seemed to go to one of my chakra centers briefly and was gone.  This only happened one more time.  I was suddenly aware of my rooms interior again, as if I was awake, but this time I was fighting the dog, the human form never showed up.  Apparently my spirit is not very receptive to visitors.  But heck, coming unannounced and having the appearance of a human made of blackness, what do you expect?

But that's it. A pretty much singular event.  There is an author, Joseph Campbell, he has written a lot of books on mythological events and how to understand them and he developed a deep insight into the stuff.  But they say he did not attempt to apply what he learned in his living.  I did a chaldean numerology on myself once and it said that intellectual and spiritual developement-- wisdom, knowledge of self, mind, intellect, philosophy, metaphysics, mystery, secrecy, solitude, study, research, science, writing, faith, specialization, refinement, pride, acquisition by attraction, dignity, bridging worlds, and observation; all that, represents the fantasy side of what I dream of creating, without the necessity of the dream being tested against reality.  What I am supposed to be striving after is self-discipline -- practicality, physical work, endurance, concentration, budgeting, order, form, construction, routine, systematic, industrious, conventionality, reliability, home, patriotism and ecology.  That doesn't seem fun to me. 

I guess I'll have to be like Sysiphus who made it his highest endeavor to push that boulder up the hill.

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Antaeus wrote:

There is an author, Joseph Campbell, he has written a lot of books on mythological events and how to understand them and he developed a deep insight into the stuff.

That's very interesting. I've never read that anywhere about Joseph Campbell, but I'm glad to see it wasn't just me. His stuff is great, but I find it somehow lacking any real power. It had no practical value, like you said. There are so many ways to apply myths, but I never really ever saw Joseph Campbell giving such examples in his books.

I guess we can say George Lucas applied Campbell's work to make Star Wars. Art and music are wonderful ways to express myth.

I tend to get lost in my head with thoughts and fantasies, but what really makes me happy is when I force myself to work with my hands and create something tangible. It is very difficult for me to do, but it grounds me. I find getting started though very uninteresting. So much easier to run movies in my head. :-)

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covertmetaphor wrote:
Antaeus wrote:

There is an author, Joseph Campbell, he has written a lot of books on mythological events and how to understand them and he developed a deep insight into the stuff.

That's very interesting. I've never read that anywhere about Joseph Campbell, but I'm glad to see it wasn't just me. His stuff is great, but I find it somehow lacking any real power. It had no practical value, like you said. There are so many ways to apply myths, but I never really ever saw Joseph Campbell giving such examples in his books.

I guess we can say George Lucas applied Campbell's work to make Star Wars. Art and music are wonderful ways to express myth.

I tend to get lost in my head with thoughts and fantasies, but what really makes me happy is when I force myself to work with my hands and create something tangible. It is very difficult for me to do, but it grounds me. I find getting started though very uninteresting. So much easier to run movies in my head. :-)

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It was p. 21 of "Joseph Campbell, An Introduction" revised edition by Robert A. Segal.  21/3, "Ironically, Campbell himself was politically conservative; was not the least religious; never practiced meditation, let alone took drugs; and above all grasped the unconscious meaning of myths through sheer reading rather than through any encounter with the unconscious:..."

I relate to that.  I don't know whether I'm too mechanical and must always be entertained, to be able to meditate or just careful of what I would find within me.  I have an intuition that finding horrible frightening images, sounds what have you, is not necessarily something I have to go outside of myself to experience.  I might be entering a gunfight with a baseball bat.

The first hundred pages were great and then it started getting wearisome.  I found "In Search of the Miraculous" and it stole my attention, I had already poked into "The Forth Way" a few years ago, but it was too complicated, I think it came after "In Search..." but was not as good.  I'll probably be studying "The Esoteric Tradition" by G. De Purucker for the next few years with this lady who is artful at making me feel stupid in a sugary type of manner.

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Mahatma,

It sounds like maybe someone is playing games with you, especially if the voice seems untrue and false.

It could be a malevolent spirit pestering you for its own reasons or trying to drain energy or confuse you.

It could be project blue beam, which they can project (insert) images in front of you.

It could be the malevolent covert black ops fooling with you for whatever reason (maybe testing their technology on you), they have scaler wave projecting (inserting) voices into peoples heads and even reading your thoughts, its all pretty advanced but real.

Or, maybe its your own mind playing tricks on you (not out of the realm of possibility, as this has happened to me, hallucinations).

It sounds that as long as it doesnt interfere too seriously with your daily life and function, and you ignore it, it may eventually stop.  If it has been happening for three years and does not stop, then maybe its one of the above things I mentioned.

I want to say, I am no expert on these matters, and have had to learn the hard way about voices (and where they come from, and how to stop them, I have not been able to stop them and have been dealing with it more intensely since 2001).

So, maybe some one else here at NR can help you with this matter, you might try starting your own thread and asking the NR forum about it.

CovertM and Antaeus:

I find your mention and discussion on Cambell's views on mythology to be interesting, there is a book I have read some of, called The Mythic Life, and it talks about how we can all learn from myths and incorporate them into our own lives to better oneself and lead a more enriched life.

I find the Star Wars films to be great fun and escape and I think they are so popular and relevent and escapist fun because of all their mythic themes (plus their special effects and outer space fantasy).  They have alot of Buddhist and Eastern religious influences (like the samurai inspired jedi, jedi is even a direct Japanese term).

Antaeus:

I can't really explain in more detail about my 3 dimensional thinking, I'm slower these days, and kinda tired.  But I think you get the gist of what I mean.

I think your experience with the black form and dog might even possibly be a real malevolent spirit form trying to hassle or scare you for its own purpose and it seems you successfully dealt with it and that seems why it has not returned, you didnt give it any power over you.  It could also be a hypnogogic experience of which I have heard the establishment call it, youd have to do a search on hypnogogic because I cant really explain it, it has something to do with sleep paralysis and mental illusion.

that's the best I can do to chime in on this continuing thread

As a candle burning on, in the breezy shades of night, I keep up my faith and underset my hope, to call on a realm of light --Little Light of Love --Eric Serra --The Fifth Element (movie soundtrack)

Waving banners, swinging swords, queens and kings and other lords, and the battles of our pride, greed and hunger deep inside, all the sorrow born of pain, cruelty and cruelty again, who will stop this vicious spin, Open Arms and Let Love In  --My Heart Calling  --Moa and Eric Serra --The Messenger (movie soundtrack)
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It could also be a hypnogogic experience of which I have heard the establishment call it, youd have to do a search on hypnogogic because I cant really explain it, it has something to do with sleep paralysis and mental illusion.
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Thanks Keentraveler, I will check out hypnogogic.  I've never heard mention of it.  When I go to this site, it is mainly to read the posts that druid makes in regard to the many books and seminars that come from Rudolph Steiner.  You see, druid has done all the work of reading his many books, articles and dictation from various seminars.  That is tens of thousands of words.  I'm simply not going to pass up the fruits of someone else's labor. : > 

In your first post, you pasted a site and mentioned mind control.  You added that you live in the city, and there are always people nearby, and apartments with windows open.  It seems that you are saying that when you hear voices from all these sources that, it is possible they are not always voices from these many people in your city environment.  That would indicate that things are trying to be inserted into the normal sounds you are familiar to hearing.  You have a disadvantage from medication because it actually aids that which would want to take over your free will.  Information on that is on this site.  I'll direct you to it if you want.  The only reason I haven't already is because I already started this reply.

I'm beginning to believe that it is important when I feel like a sign has appeared such as de ja'vu or seeing 1:11, 11:11, etc., that I need to be grounded in my environment, be aware of where I'm at, my surroundings.  I try to be aware of myself being aware of that which I perceive.

Oh well, I know what you mean about being tired.  I just worked all day on my feet lifting and moving heavy things, bending in order to get to wiring, motors, motor control boards, machine control boards, etcetera, etcetera, so on and so forth.  A girl is trying to get me to go out with her girl friend and it is hard breaking my hermit momentum.  Forward braking thrusters are out.

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