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Topic: The Creation of Christianity

Dogma Part II



Have you ever wondered why religious dogma was created and incorporated into a society at any given time? Have you ever wondered why anybody that is involved with religious dogma does not take the time to see where it was formed, created and executed?

I ask myself these questions all the time and for the most part all the founders of different religious beliefs (before the dogma was added) challenged the people of their days to ask the same about there beliefs. Some of the people would seek these things while others would get puffed up in anger ready to fight. Are you this way? When someone challenges your belief system do you get all mad or do you want to go and have a reality check?  They are some hard-core dogma beliefs out there that teach if you question anything then you are not in good standing. They are reasons for this you see. I would just like to write about the founding of one major religion we all know about. All of us are either involved or know somebody that is involved with this religion. I would like to just like to write a little bit about how the religion was created, debated and forced on the people to be an official religion for the state. After reading this you will do (4) things. (1) You will say oh that is a bunch of crap they are no way this happened! If it did my religious teacher would have told us. (2) You might say to yourself man this might be true I better go check into this for myself and see if this is true or not. (3) You already knew this and say big deal! (4) You really don't care your Momma and Daddy believe this way and that is how you are going to believe.  Well I would wish you to be like the person in example (2) and go seek for yourself and see if it is true. They are a lot of people that will never think for themselves. They are just here as open portals ready to serve and deliver what the control grid tells them. They will never wake up and they will always be controlled.  I challenge anyone to look up what I am going to say and see if it is true. Yes you will have to do some searching but you will find it to be so!!!  So here it is.




 

The Rise of a Forced State Religion

What many Christians do not know is the true story of Flavius Constantine. When I was in Bible Collage I remember hearing very little of this man. He was the mastermind in putting together a state religion for all the Roman elite to worship.  While his father lived they had divided up the rule of power by many different emporeror's. When King Constantine died (Flavius's Father) Flavius was in position to take power of the whole Roman Empire. It wasn't soon that Flavius was preparing his British warriors to go into battle against Emperor Maxentius. Soon they met up at Milvian Bridge in A.D. 312 and Constantine smashed the armies of Maxentius. Maxentius died in 313 and it was not long after (324) that Constantine singularly ruled Rome as King and Emperor of the entire Roman Empire including Britain, Gaul and Spain. The Emperor had many problems facing him as regards as keeping the Roman Empire in unity and religion was one of the biggest problems he faced. They were so many different deity's being worshiped during this time is was causing much imbalance and dis-unity in the Empire. Just do a search like different deities worshiped during Roman Empire and you will come up with quite a bit. This was causing a great deal of problems for everybody. You see to rule the masses you not only just need power of armies to maintain peace and law but you need some kind of religious belief to enslave them, keeping them ignorant from the knowledge of who they really are.





The major part involved that was causing all the problem was a movement called the Donatist movement around 313. The presbyters and bishops where fighting among themselves about the various gods they were serving. As time went on it got worse and worse. Many more gods, lords and deity's arose up bringing much more chaos to the religious system. Not only did this affect those in religious power but also it was not long that it started affecting the common people. Neighbor against neighbor argued about whose god was more powerful and about which one was the right god. Word of this got back to Constantine by his advisors so something had to be done to bring order and rule. Constantine saw this developing system of belief as an opportunity to make a combined State religion that was protected by law.  Constantine sent out several Decrees' to those in power of different religious beliefs and this did not work. Around 325 he sent another decree out demanding all presbyters and there subordinates come to the city of Nicaea in the Roman Province of Bithymia a place in Asia. They were ordered to bring all their religious documents and testimonies with them and surrender them to Constantine. They were no British churchmen that attended. Most of the delegates where Greek. They were around two thousand and forty-eight bishops, priest, deacons, sub-deacons, acolytes and exorcist that gathered.  It was not long before all of them where together and in 325 under Christianity began to take shape.





The first couple of meeting was absolute chaos. They argued so much it seemed at times they would get nowhere. The first order of business was selecting a god to worship. As I said earlier search and you will find many different deities during this time being worshiped. You had the Greek gods, Apollo and Zeus to people worshiping Julius Caesar. Constantine's intention was to create a new god for the empire to worship that would unite all religious beliefs under one deity. They sorted between 53 different gods. It took around one years and five months to bring the numbers down. The finale (5) deities they came down to were Caesar, Krishna, Mithra, Horus, and Zeus. Mithraism was already in power. This was one of the early deity's that the Catholic Church worshiped. Many New Testament documents were wrote about Mithra. Some state that the Apostle Paul was not writing about Jesus Christ but about Mithra. They just later changed the names. I always wondered why Paul's Christ was so much different then the Christ of the gospels. Anyways Constantine was not happy with any of the choices they made. He made the suggestion that (2) different name's of (2) different descendants should be combined. They were Jesu Cunobeline and Judas Khrestus. The final name would be Jesu Khrestus. With a vote of 161 to 157 the council created a new deity and a new god for the empire to worship. They created the deity and also out of all the religious writings they ironed out all the different names and brought unity between the different writings. It is also important to note that the name Jesus Christ was not used until the Reformation of 14th and 17th Centuries. Do a study on Kristos and you will see the word had been floating around for some time. It was not hard to find the story of the crucified saviour god. They were some 16 slain saviour gods that already existed in the past. All they had to do is use the same story but change the name. Just do a search on slain saviour gods and you will see all the different one's. They all have the same story just different names. Here is a list that we have for certain that has the same similarities, life, deity,  and some of them with the risen story. Osirus, Egypt 3000 BC; Bel, Babylon 1750 BC; Atys, Phrygia 1700 BC; Tammuz, Syria 1160 BC; Dionysius, Greece 1100 BC; Krishna, India 1000 BC; Hesus, Europe 834 BC; Quirinius,  Rome 753 BC; Indra, Tibet 725 BC; Bali, Asia 725 BC; Iao, Nepal 622 BC; Alcestis, Pherae 600 BC; Quetzalcoat, Mexico 587 BC; Wittoba, Travancore 552 BC; Prometheus, Greece 547 BC; Mithra, Persia 400BC





Pretty long list of saviour-flesh gods that had the same similarties that so many Christians read in the new testament in the gospels.  Also do yourself a favor and study Astro-Theology and see how all of this fits together. To some of you that read this you may be saying this is a bunch of crap. Well then I challenge you to study yourself and see just who created the state worshiped deity of Constantine and I mean you better had of worshiped it or else back then your life was on the line.. Some of you that read this really don't care and then they will be some of you that have a spark of interest inside of you and you are going to see if this is true and then later be on the road of building your own spiritual reality and escape the non sense of worshiping someone else that was created for you to worship for control purposes. The powers that be today still have this religion ready for you. It suits their purpose you see. They cannot have someone that thinks on there own for it might just disrupt the matrix that you and I live in.


                                     Love Brian

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2 Reply by calpamu (edited by calpamu 2007-08-01 04:39:54)

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Have you ever wondered why religious dogma was created and incorporated into a society at any given time?

It's why were here. smile
Most believe in order to enslave the incarnate and dull their senses to the truth and true potential of lower density existence.

Have you ever wondered why anybody that is involved with religious dogma does not take the time to see where it was formed, created and executed?

Yes, one explaination is that they are blinded to the truth by this very dogma.
Others discover or know the truth and choose to continue on with the lies which gives them a feeling of power.


It is good to be reminded bhoss.
You are correct, many here are aware of these facts.
Most are brought up in the "Debunking Jesus" thread in the first page of this sub-forum and in the plethera of reading material available on the web.
Questioning is good and you are correct, we are indoctrinated from early on with "to question is wrong and if you do you are evil" and most find it hard to refute this as a total tripe.


One train of thought I have is that the physical mind,(not including the spiritual mind), which is more or less the hard-drive which runs the automata which is the body, a Biorobotics creation* , is easily programed and this programming includes fail-safes or sentry programs, which cause the pathways to become shut or develop thoughts of "this is wrong, this is evil, it is wrong to question the Church",  or prompt the indivdual that if he pursues this line of questioning he must be quite mad or evil because of this life-long indoctrination.
These thoughts of straying from the path happen almost the instant the doubt or questioning thought is formed but does not prevent it from coming through.

Through this most ponder a while,cannot fully grasp, then dismiss, or are so deeply embedded in the lie that they cannot see the forest for the trees.

As Icke states and I have to agree with him, the only way forward for those who are awake is forgivness and love for those who created the deceipt,are responsible for it's upkeep, for those who have burned at the stake, countless numbers of innocents, for any and all who have harmed, might or will harm you in the future.
This ofcourse, works both ways, as you inevitably will need to beg forgiveness from others for harmfull acts you have created and forced upon others.

I am currently concidering the Luciferic and Love/Light awareness theory, present within all of us, the whole conciousness experiencing the whole and find it to be a good approximation of a possible explaination of the nature of things.
Once certain sparks have fullfilled their "missions" they rejoin the whole were no Luciferic conciousness is present.

I would,however, also question this, as the Light ,feeling a need to experience and understand this abberation, seems somewhat cruel, unless ofcourse, there was no choice due to the sheer existence of Luciferic consiousness and the  irrepressible  need to grasp and understand all existence by the Light.


*Biorobotics:

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Biorobotics

It is possible we are sentient energy who have discovered a play-ground inside a machine and move about like ones and noughts in a binary code in order to learn.
Part of the learning process or the end of this, is perhaps  to realise were you actually are ,who and what you are and to start looking for the exits ( a release of all Luciferic conciousness within your awareness) in order to return to First Cause.

It could also be very wrong.

*If I suppose too much I have not supposed enough.*

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Re: The Creation of Christianity

Thats some good shit calpamu!!!  Thanks.   I will look at the Biorobotics tonight at work!!!!   See ya

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4 Reply by Ian (edited by Ian 2007-08-03 18:27:45)

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Bhoss, that was a good summary of the Nicean Council, the Constantine era and an overall good, albeit brief, overview of the roots of early Christianity. Your conclusions that Jesus is a fabricated character (to the extent that we can know for sure) are warranted. There are, however, some details in your post I would like to contend with and although these contentions don't alter the conclusion they are not inconsequencial as they do change the story somewhat. First, I am not certain that the religious climate in pre-Christian Rome, with its cornecopia of gods should be cited as the ultimate source of disunity in the late republic. Division was more along political and social lines between the patricians and plebes. Granted, Roman society and politics was imbued with religion, and the patrician families were considered  closer in communion with the gods and therefore more highly elevated in status and better suited to be the upper class. Remember though that it was possible, albeit difficult for a plebe to move up to the status of pat (by showing full dedication to the empire) and for a pat to be demoted to a plebe. As the republic changed the dividing line became more porous. In any case, it was not a disunity brought on by various cults fighting each other over who's god was supreme (for the majority anyways). The record shows political and social tension primarily and it seems that religion just came into play, as it often does to serve as a point of authority. When the plebes were unhappy with social reforms, they became discontent with the pats, regardless of which deity individuals or families worshipped. Almost all deities were permitted in the empire, and this was rarely a source of anything more than minor disputes. People believed in "the gods", not a god, and worshiped the patron god of their region or family.
Second, by the time the first Council of Nicea was convened, the early Christians had already established Jesus Christ as their object of worship. The dispute which the council was meant to resolve was the nature of Jesus, particularly wether he was one in substance with the Father (God, a monotheistic one borrowed from the Jews) or of a similar substance, still seperate in a sense. The Gospels had been written and were circulating throughout the empire by then, and they were spreading the fictional story of Jesus. They most certainly have been modified since then, and quite heavily to be sure, yet Jesus Christ as the object of Christian veneration is already mentioned at thelatest around 100 A.D., predating the Council by 225 years (and I am in favor of dating the Gospels quite late by conservative standards!). So you see, the Council could not have created Jesus then and there if reference to him is found much earlier. It is interesting to note, however, that the earliest Christian writings, including the reference to him I mentioned above (Papyrus Oxyrhnchus 1224) describe a purely spiritual and mythical Christ, not a historical one. This lends a tremendous amount of support to the Jesus-myth position.
These are two points I wanted to clarify and elaborate on from your post Bhoss. Otherwise I totally agree and its very refreshing to see someone do their own research and come to the same conclusion. A very rational and, in hindsight, obvious conclusion I might add. Especially from someone who was born and bred in the Bible belt! Quite a feat! Cheers.

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I've read pretty much the same about Constantine and the Nicean Council.  When compiling the Bible, those 318 Bishops had a multitude of manuscripts to choose from.  They decided which would come together to make up the Bible by locking them in a tower chamber, on the floor, and in the morning whichever ones were on the table were the winners.  Miraculous conception again. In the fifth century they threw out Origen's teachings. 

The Book of Job can be shown to be from a poem about the Scene of Judgement in the Egypian religion.  If you look at the inexplicable enigma of Matt. 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

The inexplicable enigma is; sabachthani means give peace to, glorify, to uplift.  Azabthani would have been the correct word.  In Psalm 22:1 it shows it.  It seems a lot of the Bible is about Initiation.  There are points within the trial of Initiation where the disciple has obstacles faced with the feeling of being completely alone and without any aide, evoking the cry of, why hast thou forsaken me, and if his knowledge and wisdom and all that is good within the disciple triumphs, then the cry of my God, my God, how thou dost glorify me!  The writers wanted both sentences in that verse.  They didn't make any mistake in translation.  They were Hellenized Jews very familiar with Greek, Hebrew and all the Syrian dialects. 

I think it is hurtful and insulting to put down anyone's religion, because there always exists those that give a lustre to whatever religion they follow, I think their number is relatively few in comparison to all of them.  Just the same, in each religion there are those who live exemplary lives doing what their higher natures compel them to do.  They would make any religion look good, they are higher than their creed. 

What dogma has become; doctrines or tenets that are perniscious and wicked even to question, is counter-intuitive to what the human nature is all about.  Intrinsic to each and every individual is to wander, poke about, question, quest for Truth.  Science, religion and philosophy are avenues natural to us in our approach to Truth.

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Well put Antaeus. Thanks for the info about Matt. 27:46. I will check out what you said in Psalm 22:1. smile

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Bhoss had the courage to initiate the post.

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Antaeus, I can't find a reference to the reading of 'sabachthani' as 'to give peace to, glorify or uplift'. I can only find its translation as 'forsaken' or 'abandoned'. It was my understanding that the mystery about Matt 27:46 was that Jesus had known that this was his destiny and that God had not forsaken, and so why would he cry aloud as though he was? Can you please provide a link or other reference to the transation of 'sabachthani' as 'to give peace to, glorify or uplift'? Thanks.

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Ian wrote:

Antaeus, I can't find a reference to the reading of 'sabachthani' as 'to give peace to, glorify or uplift'. I can only find its translation as 'forsaken' or 'abandoned'. It was my understanding that the mystery about Matt 27:46 was that Jesus had known that this was his destiny and that God had not forsaken, and so why would he cry aloud as though he was? Can you please provide a link or other reference to the transation of 'sabachthani' as 'to give peace to, glorify or uplift'? Thanks.

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I found it in, "The Esoteric Tradition," by G. De Purucker.  The last paragraph of page 69 through to page 75.  "G. De Purucker was born in 1874 at Suffern, New York, son of an Anglican minister who later served as chaplain of the American Church in Geneva, Switzerland.  There he was educated in private schools and by tutors, specializing in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek in preparation for the ministry.  However, subsequent study of the early Church Fathers, Eastern philosophies, and Sanskrit led him to theosophy with its broad comprehension of all religions, philosophies, and sciences.  Dr. de Purucker was head of the Theosophical Society from 1929 until his death in 1942.  Perhaps his greatest contribution to spiritual thought has been his elucidation of the writings of H. P. Blavatsky." 

His background is very impressive in my opinion.  So I lean toward the feeling that his work has a lot of credibility. 

For a length of time I found it hard to comprehend the writings of scholars alive at end of the nineteenth and the first two decades of the twentieth centuries.  But in time I learned to find a great deal of enjoyment reading their text's.  The way they put words together, even when it is serious effort has a certain flavor of artistry to it. 

It seems like that disappeared in America, just before WWI.  You could have a person today, holding a Doctorate of Philosophy find that he wouldn't even be able to pass college entrance exams of a high school graduate of their day.   

It is just my opinion, and I could be wrong, I have been wrong on numerous occasions.

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Well I finally discovered that most people are far more clever than I.
Took me long enough, arrogant fecker that I am.
Mustering  the courage to actually tell a work-mate about frindge-knowledge and putting forward that religion is a tool to enslave us, he replies, laughtingly, "Ah ha, well that's obvious."
Needless to say I was astounded that someone was so confident and could see through things as easily as this at age 20 odd.
I suddenly realised I was now on the other side of the fence, a figure I use to look at and ridicule for nonconformist belief's.
Going further, I proceed to inform him regarding the true nature of things,as concieved by myself and others, the Illuminati, 9/11, aliens, earth as a prison, etc etc and he readily but not naively accepts, that some of what I'm saying could be real and that he has always believed something like this to be the case.
So, I provided him with "The Robots Rebellion" and await the outcome.
My brother has never believed in the bible, although all my life I have always been a protagonist of Jesus and thought my brother foolish for his non-belief in Christian religion, yesterday he turns around, after I said to him, "You were the one who was right, althought I thought differently, you are more clever than I because you have always seen through religion." and he said, "Paul, I have always believed that people have it within themselves to act appropriately, I have always believed there is a supreme  being but not the one we read of in the bible, the use of the bible for enslavement is obvious to me."
God bless him.
Ever feel like, all your life , you have been walking around with blinkers on.
One thing I can relate to in the bible....is the donkey.