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Topic: Something on how mentality is used

I feel something has to be understood about mentality and how it is used by the  lower 4D representatives to usurp power.  In the hope that even something more might be understood.  Could find lots of links, but don't have too much internet access.  So I wrote this:

It seems like the lower 4D representatives may for instance read what's on this board and then use that again  to justify their actions and interference.  Since that is a trend I have had some experience with in similar connections.  More and more desperate, there are those among them who are skilled in word-bending and turning all good effort towards their own agenda.  Even at convincing people that what is for instance written  comes from them.  An ability to take or fake mental superiority.  Demonstrating authority by use of the unsaid.  Leaving people with a bad undefined feeling with a you-know-what-I-mean attitude.  They then have a general unconsciousness to prey on.  The unknown, the unsaid , the unspoken.  Because their undermining meet people where they are conditioned to inaction or to report or police.  Often only being alerted to what seems different.  A lower 4D mentality will seem familiar where senses are dulled down. The representatives or OP's may  come across as a friend and helper; someone who is calming things down.  It strikes me that some of the  most powerful representatives have a very compelling power and will even come across as pleasant.  -To a degree of sluggishness in some cases in fact.  Apparently they possess the knowledge on how to trigger people and when.  This may be presented as human knowledge and/or popular psychology. 
The whole mentality is perpetuated by a culture of secrecy that in actual fact is protective of the forces behind.  What we have to awaken to is that it allowes the usually unseen forces to roam free.  I have read in an astrology book somewhere about Pluto and it's associations, that the word secrecy which Pluto is associated with according to TPTB, relates to  words like secretion etc., which is an indicator that could localize the inhibitions that is layered into the general mentality through religion and political power.  And the secretions or bodily fluids should be allowed to run naturally for us to be functional and positively and creatively instrumental in life. 
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And above all it is also necessary to say that all the above mentioned is linked  to an overbearing/overseeing attitude.  To make you feel it was not worth the effort to claim your rights or anything; to have the right to have a life and speak for yourself.
H

3 Reply by SednaSphere (edited by SednaSphere 2004-09-19 16:10:32)

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Surely you are right that there is more than enough reason to explore this aspect of mentality which can use this site and more. You are right on target about how some of these 4D forces can be powerful, persuasive, likable.


The feeling you describe as sluggishness and the types of affects these individuals may have is also something I have experienced. Lately there has been some concern by me online in particular in regards to this.

As usual a synchronistic observation by you, not a frequent poster but usually you have perfect timing in describing something similar to that experienced by me and perhaps other posters.

"Art of Hyperdimensional War" describes some tactics such as dragging them into the light to reveal their tactics for all to see, such that when others see the underlying workings of this manipulation they no longer are in thrall to it.

How and when to trigger: this they know. Popular psychology may be used to block out a more nuanced and accurate view of a situation, and thus people can get confused and do not know how to respond, often giving up.
Repetition seals the deal : repeating certain words, phrases, commands appearing as ideas or suggestions.. Policing is not an option because there are too many ways to turn it into a witch hunt and have it boomerang back on you, yet you want to do something to improve the situation.

Confrontation may result in a 4D attack and harsh words which cut, I have found.It seems that they prefer to work in the dark or behind the scenes, posing as a warm, encouraging force or cool in-the-know person.


Would it be possible to "drag" some more details and specifics into the light? This might at least put a monkeywrench in the works. We've had posters here who were would be sabatuers of the whole operation and concept; the best psychopaths are never caught, and always appear to be "nice."
They always blend in. As far as a 4D neg influence goes, it must also apply that


much of the time they go unnoticed.

Pointing out specific details and personal experiences can clue others in, if they are observant.
H

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I think you're both right on the money and that this is a very important topic.   I see it as "Dealing with skilled manipulation" regardless of its source.  This is relevant in the corporate world as well as others that may be associated with dark forces of any variety.

I've found that by following a few ground rules one can come out a lot better off when in these situations. 

1) USE THE POWER THAT YOU DO HAVE.  Chances are, when you're dealing with manipulating forces, they will be in a more powerful position then you are.  This does not mean that you are completely powerless, however.  If you have certain knowledge, information, skills or resources that can be of benefit to them, make sure it's on your terms.  Don't ever give up the power that you do have to make a point or to prove your intentions.  The other side would never do this and will not respect you for it but rather see it simply as weakness and an extra opportunity for attack.   (side note: the contestant Bradford on the new "Apprentice" television series just learned this last point the hard way.)

2) BE HONEST, REASONABLE AND STRONG.  They will try to spin the story, twist your perceptions and keep going over and over the issue to wear you down until you finally give in, not because they're right but because you're exhausted.  Be aware of this tactic and don't give in.  Argue your position with logic and reason in good faith, but if it becomes clear that they have no intention of a two-way dialogue, politely end the conversation and "agree to disagree." 

3) RESPECT THE POWER OF DARKNESS.  If all else seems to be failing, and you are aware of the methods of and reasons for the manipulations, there is no doubt you could prevail by openly stating those facts: after all, light vanquishes darkness.  However, you may make yourself a target for later, and possibly far more devastating attacks, by doing so.  So choose your battles.   You can usually accomplish your objective with a more subtle approach.  Light a candle first, and you may find the critters run away at the first sign of light and there's no need to burn them with a million candlepower spotlight.  Even though they would not do the same for you, set an example of compassion and integrity, so that others may see and possibly choose to join your side.

From "The Emperor's New Clothes" by Sinead O'Connor:

Everyone can see what's going on
They laugh `cause they know they're untouchable
Not because what I said was wrong
Whatever it may bring
I will live by my own policies
I will sleep with a clear conscience
I will sleep in peace
Maybe it sounds mean
But I really don't think so
You asked for the truth and I told you
Through their own words
They will be exposed
They've got a severe case of
The emperor's new clothes

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Oh, thank you for those refreshing lyrics that speak the truth. It makes me feel good to see that someone's paying attention. O'Connor is brilliant.
Your careful point by point analysis is helpful. I saw that episode of the Apprentice too, by the way, and I thought the exact same thing: bingo! now there's an example of what not to do, and I'd made a similar though much smaller mistake!OUCH. Did I learn brotha.

6 Reply by freebird (edited by freebird 2004-09-20 02:17:35)

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Thank's for the great post (reply) SednaSphere.  Got almost too emotional to write or read the subsequent post now.  It's cool or even amazing that there is some sort of synchronisity between us.  I'll read through (again) your other posts.  Often there is almost too much stuff to go through and too little time. 
You really put down some appropriate words adressing the issue.  I feel it is often like a mental battle.  Often having to deal with people who do the dirty job for the lower 4D guys in control, influencing the rest who don't have a shadow of an inkling of what is going on.
And yes, there are "agents" (or whatever you might like to call it) who try to  push you into the background when you like with this touch the real issues; the secrets.
H

7 Reply by SednaSphere (edited by SednaSphere 2004-09-20 10:01:48)

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Yes, the problem with words is that they can be used to clarify or confuse. They can match the mental mode of a person, or be in direct opposition to it. Words say one thing, something innocuous, while the person could be mentally elswhere, bombarding you with hypnotic waves or sucking you of loosh if they post something that pushes your buttons, as explored in Emotional Management. Generally the parameters and limitatations of the setting dictate an initial assumption that people mean what they say and "it is what it is."

Sometimes it is what it isn't , or it isn't what it appears to be, that is. So all this is going on all the time and the constant bombardment may wear you down. If ambushes are occuring whenever you rarely post, then you are being targeted.You've got something to say, and they want to make sure you don't say it.
Hence ridicule, calling you paranoid when really you're just correctly assessing the situation, negating your intuition, etc. are just some of the tactics in their arsenal.

It's easy to present yourself as anything, or anyone, on the internet. Easy for several people to use one i.d. Easy for a predator to make him or herself look like the most clued-in, nice, easy going person in the world. But they are not.

They want to steal our energy. They want to control us. The more nuanced we are, the more knowledge and wisdom we have, the subtler and more insinuating must their methods be. But the biggest boondoggle is that they would like you to ignore it
instead of handle it directly. They would like you to believe you are negative, or confused, and that they are superior and "beyond all this." But we know that that's deception. Jim Jones told his followers they would be "beyond all this" if they drank poison punch, because we are all really spirit, etc.

I bet they wish they hadn't done that.
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Re: Something on how mentality is used

Questions can be used to confound you. Fake Zen koans that only serve to make you feel ashamed for having made an honest inquiry. Brick walls rather than doorways or railway track switches. A true Zen koan points to a larger truth (or shocks you into one), but a fake Zen koan says your curiosity is naive and that you should just give up. (And not the "giving up" of illusions that is called Satori, but the giving up of energy, enthusiasm, curiosity.) A fake Zen koan question in response to a legitimate inquiry can be used to make you feel lowly and stupid compared to the questioner, who likes to give you the impression they have "tread this ground before". And a question implies the possibility of an answer, which the fake Zen questioner can have his audience assume he holds, but is not revealing because he wants you to walk on your own through the (nonexistent) door. The mentailty of being humble is the one exploited here. The fake Zen teacher pretends to be so humble that he would not presume to feed you an answer. Your own natural humbleness in the face of a "teacher" causes you not to question the worthlessness or true intent of his words.

It used to confuse me when I'd encounter someone who would present me with fake Zen koan type responses to my inquiries, because I couldn't understand why they'd do such a thing. Aren't we all here to help each other? But it turns out "we" aren't all here to help each other, in fact some of "us" are only here to confound.

(Note: Alan Watts is a good guy to listen to for some real Zen koans.)

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9 Reply by freebird (edited by freebird 2004-09-21 03:27:05)

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Would it be possible to "drag" some more details and specifics into the light? This might at least put a monkeywrench in the works. We've had posters here who were would be sabatuers of the whole operation and concept; the best psychopaths are never caught, and always appear to be "nice."
They always blend in.

A fair enough suggestion but the answer lie in the manipulation itself, and my answer to it is: I am not interested in taking on their issues. Thinking of it or dealing with it.  Which is what their intentions are behind the ongoing malicious rumours, insinuations and speculations.  Replacement through manipulation. It comes across as hints or insinuations.  A tilt on the head perhaps that says; 'like that, that one, you know what I'm talking about'..  For many people there is a need for someone to take the role as a scapegoat to express the unexpressed in them.  The conditioning which runs through the overall mentality.  Tension thus created that generates a mental force field there is made use of.  Because of the humiliation underlying it, it often comes across as a cocky we-are-the-best , we-know-better, or we-are-fixing-it mentality.   Or patronizing false representation.  To the detriment of individuality.  A repressive hive-mentality.  A sometimes hurried rat-race, relay race mentality that doesn't allow you to rest and reflect.  Be in life.  If you ground yourself and see the world with your own eyes, you are perceived as very provocative.  It's always after you some way or another. 
Worth mentioning is also that there may be treaths directed towards individual people that is putting them and perhaps even their families at risk.  Keeping us from getting to the bottom of things so to speak.  Or an inherent loyalty  to the mentality.
Since we're talking about lower 4D powers there might be a question of very scary stuff that doesn't want to come to light.  Wanting to hide behind what in me for instance has seemed like a convenient person(human).  What it does is producing a feeling of unsettledness and eeriness.  Shocking, upsetting and recognizable.  The stories also tend to shapeshift to suit the agenda.  The surroundings are accordingly worked on or prepared if you like.
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Okay, I see what you are saying. I thought that might be the case. I do not wish to get into their subjects either, for that's part of the trap! Reason I asked was to suss out more of the situation to get a better sense of it, without wasting time on plentiful "he said, she said" debates over trivialities which are worthless to dwell upon anyway.

Fake Zen koans deserve a real kick in the butt. There is one Alan Watts tape I have listened to and it was the clearest and most basic explanation of Zen I've yet heard.

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I thought a bit more about the matter of insinuation you brought up, freebird, and other feelings and phenomena you mentioned. I mentioned some of these things to Montalk awhile back about a similar set of circumstances. Or rather, as I was unsure about the situation, I decided to ask for help. He suggested that I not read
the posts of anyone who seems to push my buttons in such a fashion that it may at least be distraction, if not something more such as the organic portal phemomenon.
Orchestrated misunderstanding, if you will, or even outright dislike, or contempt,etc.
The overwheming feeling of it, vs. mere annoyance.

So now I no longer read certain posts, and this allows me to better stay away from any mental proximity, which would only provide a way for myself to either upset myself, or to get attacked in some fashion of a strong enough nature as to be personally damaging according to my own guage and estimation. Doing the best I can in this! Seems strange at first, and it may make me appear redundant or to lose somewhat the thread of discussion; so this is perhaps something to be aware of for me as well in making posts.

In personal situations, avoiding bodily proximity to a person, within a mile radius, may also help. When the hive mentality is in effect ( I've experienced the types of things you mention) then this doesn't do any good because "the word gets around" instantly. So you're dealing with multiple entities sharing one body of knowledge
about you and working together to ensure we stay within a range they can use to attack.

As there are multiple phenomena working against knowledge, awareness etc, and among them using multiple techniques, so you no doubt are able to handle it with a multiple pronged approach as well.

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Funny, I've often suspected a 'hive mind" principle in operation in some particular people I've known.  I won't get into details on how or why, but this is based on observable data and not some vague idea or theory.  Anyone see the movie "They Live"?    Aliens disguised as humans taking over the world, with the aid of the humans who joined up with them in a "power alliance" in exchange for money, power, and the opportunity to travel the universe.  They all communicated via wristwatches which also served to teleport the wearer to the subterrainian alien base under the city.  It's a low-budget B-movie from the 80s starring "Rowdy" Roddy Piper and I've always thought it probably described reality pretty closely, all things considered.

I just read in the news the other day that there's a new cellphone in Japan that has a special speaker-replacement device built in that allows you to hold the phone up against your jaw, and it sends the sound signal directly into your eardrum, bypassing your ear canal.  It's out now.  In addition, there is another sort of technology already working, though not out for any practical public application yet, where specific thought patterns can be differentiated from one another, and so simple machines can be controlled by thought alone when a subject is wired up to a special monitor. 

If this kind of technology is out there in public, I don't think it's a stretch to suspect that groups having access to advanced technology may already be using incredibly small implanted communication devices of one sort or another and no one would ever know. 

On the topic, check out the lyrics to "Inside Job" by Don Henley.  Great song and album.
http://www.lyricscafe.com/h/henley_don/007.htm

13 Reply by freebird (edited by freebird 2004-09-22 01:10:55)

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Very well put Sednasphere as usual, and others too.  I basically practize those things too as I have learned to look after myself; even mentally.  On the other hand; those I adress in the post do things to crave attention as well.  Hungry  for more sort of, or dominans.  Believe that has to be  dragged into the light as long as it just goes on and on.  Getting to know and understanding the tactics.
Have read through "The Art of Hyperdimensional War"  Will do again and let the points there become second nature more and more.
H

14 Reply by morningsun76 (edited by morningsun76 2004-09-22 18:20:42)

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aaronfirebrand wrote:

Do you know when Henley wrote Inside Job?  I'm surprised at his courage to record it and still expect to keep his career. Was it a major label release?

Amazon says the release date was 5/23/2000 which sounds right.  Yeah, it was a major release, his first one in over a decade actually.   and probably his best effort to date.  I don't think this type of thing could have any negative impact on an artist like Henley's career at all.  He can say what he likes and it's not like he's pointing fingers at anyone in particular.  If you're an entry-level clerk in some government or large-corporation, screaming about corruption might not be the best career move, though.   Who you are determines what you can say.

aaronfirebrand wrote:

Finally, a general question I feel is relevant here: How can we develop strength to resist evil by focusing on it, thereby empowering it?

Personally I think this question is self-contradictory and contains an all-too-common mistake.  The issue has even been talked about here on NR sometime in the past week or so: "focusing on evil" does NOT empower it.  That is without a doubt nothing more than fluffy new-age nonsense.    If you want to stand a chance in ANY conflict, you make it your primary mission to know EVERYTHING YOU POSSIBLY CAN about your foe.  Knowledge is power.   And life on Earth, like it or not, IS a battle with the highest stakes of all: your freedom as an individual, and the title to your soul if there is such a thing.

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(this comment was made in response to a comment apparently since deleted by the author)

Hehe agreed on the older music, and no offense intended.  I need to watch my wording.   I'm not sure how to distinguish "focusing" from "analyzing" as you seem to be suggesting.   As far as I'm concerned your attention (focus) is a prerequisite to think about -- or analyze -- anything at all.

Otherwise  I _think_ I understand what you are saying, ie, you don't want to focus on things in life that distract you from your life and progress, like toxic friends or coworkers, other peoples' dramas and so forth.  Those you can afford to ignore. Agreed.

But people, groups, nations that are actively working against you in some manner deserve your focus and attention if you intend to combat them.  Of course, you have the option of ignoring them too, but you'll live to regret it.