Re: SURVIVAL of the entity- Ascension?
Sure, there is some channeled "ascended master" material that sounds (almost) as ridiculous as this. But there is also some that is actually very profound and liberating, not disempowering as you seem to think. I don't like the term "Ascended Master" at all, but if a teaching uses it, I will look past it to judge that teaching by its quality and usefulness, not by my own prejudices or dislike for certain terminology.
My dislike has much less to do with terminology than with intent and purpose. There are many writers on my cool folks' list who've channeled information. Everybody from Jose Arguelles, to Terence McKenna and John Lilly on the mathematical/scientific side, to Barbara Marciniak and Barbara Hand Clow on the heart side, with probably a dozen others I can't think of right now...all of whom have provided me with what seems like valuable information. None of them are asking for my energy, none are setting themselves up as spiritual masters, special, judicious, or overlordly. They don't ask for adoration and don't volunteer for special duty if only we'll agree to let them in...a very big clue, that one. They simply provide information, take it or leave it.
Well, supposing for a minute that they are genuine and DID ascend from Earth. They surely already had their own difficulties and distractions to overcome, even if theirs were very different to the ones we have to deal with today. And the fact that we have to deal with them is really no excuse not to work to rise above them. It's our choice whether or not to succumb to the programming.
No one likes to hear that they should give up something they enjoy (eg. TV, gambling, porn or any of the other things you listed). But what if it's actually necessary to overcome these base desires in order to reach a higher state of consciousness (and reach it permanently - without drugs)? I suppose you'll tell me that it isn't necessary, or that such a higher state of consciousness is a false goal anyway?
No, I am not supposing that most of those hollow pseudo-angelic ilk are genuine, though I'll allow about 10% doubt in a few cases to leave room for expansion.
I'm not criticizing the goals of higher consciousness, increased clarity, developing connections with our selves and/or higher self or the goal of a fully realized self -- only "ascension", the kind of ascension that nexus described here:
Ascension is real and it has been going on before and since the first soul ever fell into duality consciousness. We're the ones who didn't ascend because we didn't fulfill our divine purpose and it's been so long we've forgotten that we're supposed to.
...and the idea that we've fallen, we're somehow not worthy of entering the higher realms, because we're dirty -- like just being here is to be covered in excrement and human effluent. We have to clean up and leave Earth, it's a penal colony of sorts* and if we're good boys and girls we can reach the goal of immortality and getting back to heaven where we'll reign as godz. The only difference between this type of ascension paradigm and traditional mundane christianity is the perception of complexity.
It seems to me that it's all a matrix builders con, a way distracting some of most spiritually aware and visionary people, and trick of light that makes them believe their work is somewhere other than where they are. I listed 3 other possible ascension definitions and I'm not trashing any of them, just this one particular node of behavior. (I guess those got left back on the Stuart Wilde thread).
I'll say it again, none of what we think we're looking for is outside of ourselves. The god, higher self, higher order, universal wave, whatever it is that we're trying to hook up with is not outside of us, but is instead our actual essence.
What do you think happens after death? If you think our ultimate aim is to leave the physical plane after death, then is that really much different from the concept of ascension? Or do you think we are meant to just reincarnate endlessly? I'm not trying to be confrontational, I am genuinely interested in your opinion on this. Thanks for reading.
Daisy, I think that our ultimate aim was/is to be here, on this planet, in this very moment, and that right now I should be writing these words to you. The challenge is to remember who we are, where we came from, who the matrix builders are, where they came from, why we're all doing what we're doing and when the big wave is going to hit. We're not little kids who're trying to get home to mom and dad to sit on a cloud. We're hyperdimensional travelers who've come here on purpose to take care of business and have some fun.
It's possible that we're both the cause and solution of the problems we face, and that we're both the matrix designers and it's destroyers. We may even be the creators of this world, born into our creation to experience it fully as both shadow and light. If the past, present and future are all an aspect of now, then in the future when we become the fabulous light beings many of us think we're evolving into, we'll find that we were also those beings in the past as we are in the present as well.
*I know, it does seem a lot like a penal colony here, but we might release enough of our shadows to allow for the consideration that perhaps it's more a situation of bullies on the playground than an evolutionary blueprint.
Maybe we're the anarchist types who will not be able to go/ascend anywhere after death. Maybe we're the elementary school kids who grimace to their teachers and stand at the corner refusing to join the elementary plays other kids seem to enjoy. Maybe we're the "bad boys" as my quantum physics professor once said to me back in university.
Hi feritciva,
I will say that's a fact. The Megaoverlord crowd will never allow me on their playground, so I'll happily hang with you in hell. :>)
