Topic: John Dee....the original 007

Dee and Sir Francis Bacon are credited with founding what was to become British Intelligence in the late 1600's. He worked as a consultant or double agent for Queen Elizabeth I. His correspondences with the Queen were all signed 007 as his identifying mark as well as anything of a highly secretive nature was noted as 'for your eyes only' on the envelope. Apparently Alister Maclean , who also worked with MI6 during WW2 ,was either just paying tribute or there are more essential reasons that these terms have been run through the culture machine again.


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Re: John Dee....the original 007

Terry Boardman has some articles in which he relates some british conspiracies to John Dee.

Anthroposophy and the question of conspiracy in modern history (1)
http://www.threefolding.freeuk.com/boardmn2.htm

Freemasonry and the roman spirit
http://www.monju.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/NWO11.htm

From the British Empire to the American Empire:
Liberal Imperialism, Sir Edward  Grey and the Question of
British Responsibility for the First World War
http://www.monju.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/NWO10.htm

3 (edited by Bhang 2007-07-31 13:06:24)

Re: John Dee....the original 007

You guys left out the biggest part of what John Dee was hired for! I'll let you guys guess until I get off from work. Then I will explain in full.

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4 (edited by Bhang 2007-07-31 11:45:41)

Re: John Dee....the original 007

No guesses so I'll just let it rip.

Not only was Dee the original 007 he was a counselor, mathematician, astronomer, cartographer, astrologer and some say he was a confidential espionage agent of Queen Elizabeth.
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He had also been accused of trying to kill the predecessor of Elizabeth, Bloody Queen Mary. Yet still none of these things are the reason Dee was kept fat off of the Royal Riches, for you see - Dee was a sorcerer of world renown.  His magical workings are still felt today throughout the world. I could tell you in my own words yet Donald Tyson has done a wonderful job telling us just who this man Dee was and just what he was doing that landed him in the history books forever. I have transcribed this from "The Book of Lies".

btw-  All you people here that are paranoid about 4D beings should read this and re-read  this, because it very well may be the main source of most of your 4D molestations.



Donald Tyson:   
   In his (Dee's) occult work he was aided by an equally extraordinary
   person, Edward Kelley (also spelled "Kelly"; 1555-1597), the son
   of a Worcester apothecary, who dreamed of discovering the secret
   of the philosopher's stone and dabbled in the black art of
   necromancy. Fleeing Lancaster in 1580 on charges of forging title
   deeds, Kelley found it prudent to set out on a walking tour of
   Wales. Somewhere near Glastonbury (so the story goes) he
   purchased a portion of the fabled red powder that could turn base
   metals into gold; the source of the powder was an innkeeper who
   had received it from tomb robbers.
   
   For the remainder of his colorful life Kelley labored to unlock
   the secret of the red powder so that he could manufacture more of
   it himself. It was on this quest for alchemical knowledge that he
   sought out the library of John Dee in 1582, and it was primarily
   for this reason that he agreed to serve as Dee's seer.
   
   Dee was a saint, Kelley a rogue, but they were bound together by
   their common fascination with ceremonial magic and the wonders it
   promised. Dee possessed little talent for mediumship. He tried to
   overcome this limitation by hiring a mountebank named Barnabas
   Saul as his professional scryer but had poor results. When Dee
   learned of Kelley's considerable psychic abilities, he eagerly
   employed Kelley as his seer for the sum of 50 pounds per annum.
   
   Dee invoked the Enochian angels to visible appearance within a
   scrying crystal or a black mirror of obsidian by means of prayers
   and certain magical seals. After Kelley had alerted Dee to the
   presence of the spirits, Dee questioned them. Kelley reported
   their sayings and doings back to Dee, who recorded them in his
   magical diaries.
   
   The most important portion of Dee's transcription of the Enochian
   communications, covering the years 1582-1587, was published in
   London in 1659 by Meric Casaubon under the tide A True and
   Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years between Dr. John
   Dee ...and Some Spirits. This fascinating work has been reprinted
   several times in recent decades and is readily available.

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   The Enochian spirits got their name from the nature of the
   magical system they described. It was, they claimed, the very
   magic that the biblical patriarch Enoch had learned from the
   angels of heaven. The angel Ave told Dee, "Now hath it pleased
   God to deliver this Doctrine again out of darknesse: and to
   fulfill his promise with thee, for the books of Enoch." I
   Compared to it, all other forms of magic were mere playthings.
   
   Although Dee faithfully recorded all the details of Enochian
   magic in his diaries, he never tried to work this system in any
   serious way. We cannot know the reason with certainty. In 1589 he
   broke with Kelley, who stayed on in Bohemia to manufacture gold
   for the Holy Roman Emperor Rudolph II while Dee returned to
   England at the request of Elizabeth, a circumstance that may have
   inconvenienced his plans. But it is my contention that Dee was
   awaiting permission from the angels to employ their magic, and
   this permission was not given in his lifetime.
   
   It is necessary to state unequivocally for those unfamiliar with
   Enochian magic that neither Dee nor Kelley fabricated the spirit
   communications. Both believed completely in the reality of the
   angels, although they differed about the motives of these beings.
   Dee believed them to be obedient agents of God who submitted to
   the authority of Christ. Kelley mistrusted them and suspected
   them of deliberate deception. The dislike was mutual. The angels
   always treated Kelley with amused contempt. Kelley hoped the
   angels would communicate the secret of the red powder, which was
   the only reason he endured their insults for so many years.
   
   There is no space here to enter into the question of the nature
   and objective reality of spirits, nor is it likely that any
   conclusions could be reached on this difficult subject. Whatever
   their essential nature, the Enochian angels acted as independent,
   intelligent beings with their own distinct personalities and
   purposes. This is how Dee and Kelley regarded them, and this is
   how I shall regard them in this essay. Using this assumption, I
   will present what I believe to be the angels' secret agenda,
   which they concealed from Dee: to plant among mankind the ritual
   working that would initiate the period of violent transformation
   between the present aeon and the next, commonly known as the
   apocalypse.

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  The Gates and the Keys
 
   What the Enochian angels conveyed to Dee was not merely a potent
   form of magic to rule the tutelary spirits of the nations. It was
   an initiatory formula designed to open the locked gates of the
   four great watchtowers that stand guard against chaos at the
   extremities of our universe. The Watchtowers are described by the
   angel Ave:
   
     "The 4 houses, are the 4 Angels of the Earth, which are the 4
     Overseers, and Watchtowers, that the eternal God in his
     providence hath placed, against the usurping blasphemy,
     misuse, and stealth of the wicked and great enemy, the Devil.
     To the intent that being put out to the Earth, his envious
     will might be bridled, the determinations of God fulfilled,
     and his creatures kept and preserved, within the compasse and
     measure of order."
     
   These Watchtowers, represented in Enochian magic by alphabetical
   squares, are equivalent to the four mystical pillars of Egyptian
   mythology that hold up the sky and keep it from crashing into the
   earth. They bar the chaotic legions of Coronzon from sweeping
   across the face of the world. Coronzon, the angels reveal, is the
   true heavenly name for Satan. He is also known by the Enochian
   title of Death-Dragon or Him-That-Is-Fallen (Telocvovim).
 
   The Enochian Calls or Keys (the angels refer to them by both
   titles) are 48 spirit evocations delivered to Dee and Kelley in
   the Enochian language and then translated into English word for
   word by the angels. The overt purpose of the Keys, the angels
   declared, was to enable Dee to establish ritual communication
   with the spirits of the 30 Aethers or Airs who rule over the
   tutelary spirits of the nations of the earth. There are actually
   49 Keys, but the first, the angels said, is too sacred and
   mysterious to be voiced. The first eighteen explicit Keys are
   completely different in their wording; the last 30 are similar
   save for the name of the Aether inserted in the first line. The
   angel Raphael declares the expressed purpose the Keys to Dee:
   
     "In 49 voyces, or callings: which are the Natural Keyes, to
     open those, not 49, but 48. (for One is not to be opened)
     Gates of understanding, whereby you shall have knowledge to
     move every Gate, and to call out as many as you please, or
     shall be thought necessary, which can very well, righteously,
     and wisely, open unto you the secrets of their Cities, and
     make you understand perfectly the [mysteries] contained in the
     Tables."

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   The tables referred to are the 49 alphabetical tables from which
   the Keys were generated, one letter at a time, by the Enochian
   angels. The Keys are related in sets to the four Watchtowers,
   which contain the names of various hierarchies of spirits.
   
   Dee's blindness to the true function of the Keys is curious,
   because clues about their nature are everywhere for those with
   eyes to see them. The Enochian communications are filled with
   apocalyptic pronouncements and imagery. Again and again the
   angels warn of the coming destruction of the world by the wrath
   of God and the advent of the Antichrist. This apocalyptic imagery
   is also found throughout the Keys themselves.
   
   The very name of these evocations should have been clue enough.
   Surely if the Watchtowers stand guard at the four corners of our
   dimension of reality, keeping back the hordes of Coronzon from
   descending like "stooping dragons," as the Eighth Key puts it,
   and if the evocations known as the Keys are designed to open the
   gates of these watchtowers, we might suspect that it would be a
   bad idea to unlock the gates.
   
   Perhaps Dee believed, as the angels deceitfully encouraged him to
   believe, that the gates could be opened a crack for specific
   human purposes and then slammed shut before anything too horrible
   slipped through to our dimension of awareness. Dee would have
   assumed that the harrowing of the goddess Earth and her children
   by the demons of Coronzon would not occur until the preordained
   time of the apocalypse, an event initiated by God and presumably
   beyond Dee's control.
   
   What he failed to understand is that the date of the initiation
   of the apocalypse is (in the intention of the angels) the same
   date as the successful completion of the full ritual working of
   the 48 Keys. This date is not predetermined, but will be
   determined by the free will and actions of a single human being
   who in the Revelation of St. John is called the Antichrist.
   
  The Nature of the Apocalypse
 
   It has always been generally assumed that the apocaIypse is in
   the hands of the angels of wrath, to be visited upon the world at
   the pleasure of God, at a moment preordained from the beginning
   of creation. In the veiled teachings of the Enochian angels this
   is not true. The gates of the Watchtowers can only be unlocked
   from the inside. The angels of wrath cannot initiate the
   apocalypse even if they wish to do so. This is suggested by an
   exchange between Dee and the angel Ave:
   
     Dee - As for the form of our Petition or Invitation of the
     good Angels, what sort should it be of?
     Ave - A short and brief speech.
     Dee - We beseech you to give us an example: we would have a
     confidence, it should be of more effect.
     Ave - I may not do so.
     Kelley - And why?
     Ave - Invocation proceedeth of the good will of man, and of
     the heat and fervency of the spirit: And therefore is prayer
     of such effect with God.
     Dee - We beseech you, shall we use one form to all?
     Ave - Every one, after a divers form.
     Dee - If the minde do dictate or prompt a divers form, you
     mean.
     Ave - I know not: for I dwell not in the soul of man.

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   Spiritual beings must be evoked into our reality by human beings.
   We must open the gates and admit the servants of Coronzon
   ourselves. Evocation and invocation are not a part of the
   business of angels, but of humans. That is why the angels needed
   to go through the elaborate ruse of conveying the system of
   Enochian magic, with the Keys and the Great Table of the
   Watchtowers, to Dee. If the apocalypse is to take place, and if
   it is necessary for human beings to open the gates of the
   Watchtowers before it can take place, the angels first had to
   instruct a man in the correct method for opening the gates.
   
   It is evident that Dee was to be restrained from opening the
   gates of the Watchtowers until it pleased the angels. The angel
   Gabriel, who purports to be speaking with the authority of God,
   tells him:
   
     "I have chosen you, to enter into my barns: And have commanded
     you to open the Corn, that the scattered may appear, and that
     which remaineth in the sheaf may stand. And have entered into
     the first, and so into the seventh. And have delivered unto
     you the Testimony of my spirit to come.
     
     "For, my Barn hath been long without Threshers. And I have
     kept my flayles for a long time hid in unknown places: Which
     flayle is the Doctrine that I deliver unto you: Which is the
     Instrument of thrashing, wherewith you shall beat the shears,
     that the Corn which is scattered, and the rest may be all one.
     
     "(But a word in the mean season.)
     
     "If I be Master of the Barn, owner of the Corn, and deliverer
     of my flayle: If all be mine (And unto you, there is nothing:
     for you are hirelings, whose reward is in heaven.)
     
     "Then see, that you neither thresh, nor unbinde, until I bid
     you, let it be sufficient unto you: that you know my house,
     that you know the labour I will put you to: That I favour you
     so much as to entertain you the labourers within my Barn: For
     within it thresheth none without my consent."
     
   Surely nothing could be clearer. Throughout the Enochian commun-
   ications the angels euphemistically refer to the apocalypse as
   "the Harvest." Here Enochian magic is specifically described as
   the "Instrument of thrashing." Yet Dee did not comprehend the
   awesome significance of the burden that had been laid upon his
   shoulders. Elsewhere in the record the angel Mapsama is just as
   explicit about the need for Dee to await permission before
   attempting to use the Keys:
   
     Mapsama - These Calls are the keyes into the Gates and Cities
     of wisdom. Which [Gates] are not able to be opened, but with
     visible apparition.
     
     Dee - And how shall that be come unto?
     
     Mapsama - Which is according to the former instructions: and
     to be had, by calling of every Table. You called for wisdom,
     God hath opened unto you, his judgement: He hath delivered
     unto you the keyes, that you may enter; But be humble. Enter
     not of presumption, but of permission. Go not in rashly; But
     be brought in willingly: For, many have ascended, but few have
     entered. By Sunday you shall have all things that are
     necessary to be taught, then (as occasion serveth) you may
     practice at all times. But you being called by God, and to a
     good purpose.
     
     Dee - How shall we understand this Calling by God?
     
     Mapsama - God stoppeth my mouth, I will answer thee no
     more.
     
   Despite these hints and many others, the angels never actually
   came out and told Dee that he was to be the instrument whereby
   the ritual formula for initiating the apocalypse would be planted
   in the midst of humanity. Here it would sit like a ticking occult
   time bomb, waiting for some clever magician, perhaps guided by
   the angels, to work it. Dee evidently never received the signal
   to conduct the Apocalypse Working in his lifetime. It was to be
   reserved for another century and another man. That man was
   Aleister Crowley (1875-1947).
   
  Enter the Great Beast
 
   Even as a child, Crowley became convinced that he was the Great
   Beast mentioned in the biblical book of Revelation. He studied
   magic with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, then went on to
   construct his own occult system using an amalgamation of the
   ritual working of Abramelin the Mage, the Goetia, and the Tantric
   sexual techniques of the German Ordo Templi Orientis, among other
   sources.
   
   He firmly believed that he was the herald for a new age of strife
   and destruction that would sweep across the world. He called this
   the Aeon of Horus, after the Egyptian god of war. In Cairo in
   1904, he received the bible of this apocalyptic period, LiberAL
   vel Legis (The Book of the Law), in the form of a psychic
   dictation from his guardian angel, Aiwass. The book sets forth
   some of the conditions that will prevail in the Aeon of Horus. It
   also contains Crowley's famous dictum "Do what thou wilt shall be
   the whole of the Law."
   
   It is highly significant that Crowley never considered himself to
   be the Antichrist. He is not the central character in the drama
   of the apocalypse, but the herald who ushers in the age of chaos.
   In a very real sense he was the gatekeeper of the apocalypse. The
   text of The Book of the Law clearly states:
   
     "This book shall be translated into all tongues: but always
     with the original in the writing of the Beast; for in the
     chance shape of the letters and their position to one another:
     in these are mysteries that no Beast shall divine. Let him not
     seek to try: but one cometh after him, whence I say not, who
     shall discover the key of it all."
     
   Crowley studied and practiced Enochian magic more often and
   deeply than any other magician of the Golden Dawn, indeed
   probably more deeply than any other human being who has ever
   lived. About the angelic communications of Dee and Kelley he
   writes: "Much of their work still defies explanation, though I
   and Frater Semper Pararus [Thomas Windram], an Adeptus Major of
   the A[rgenteum] A[strum] have spent much time and research upon
   it and cleared up many obscure points."
   
   The record of Crowley's working of the Enochian Aethers in 1909
   in the desert of North Africa is preserved in the document titled
   The Vision and the Voice. He possessed a profound and broad
   understanding of ritual magic, an understanding that was not
   merely theoretical but practical. No other man of the twentieth
   century was better suited to initiate the Apocalypse Working,
   even as there had been no man in the sixteenth century better
   suited than Dee to receive it from the Enochian angels.
   Interestingly, Crowley believed himself to be the reincarnation
   of Edward Kelley.
   
   I doubt that Crowley ever succeeded in correctly completing the
   entire Enochian Apocalypse Working -- that is, the primal occult
   Key which is nowhere recorded, the eighteen manifest Keys, and
   the Key of the 30 Aethers in their correct correspondence with
   the parts of the Great Table of the Watchtowers. But he may have
   succeeded in partially opening the gates of the Watchtowers. It
   is significant that he states concerning the African working with
   his disciple Victor Neuberg: "As a rule, we did one Aethyr every
   day." About the method for invoking the spirits of the
   Watchtowers, the angel Ave tells Dee:
   
     "Four days ...must you only call upon those names of God [on
     the Great Table of the Watchtowers], or on the God of Hosts,
     in those names:
     
     "And 14 days after you shall (in this, or in some convenient
     place) Call the Angels by Petition and by the name of God,
     unto the which they are obedient.
     
     "The 15 day you shall Cloath yourselves, in vestures made of
     linen, white: and so have the apparition, use, and practice of
     the Creatures. For, it is not a labour of years, nor many
     dayes."
     
   It seems clear to me that the complete Apocalypse Working must be
   conducted on consecutive days, one Key per day. I would guess
   that the unexpressed primordial Key of the Great Mother is the
   missing ingredient that will complete the Working, but this is a
   matter of practical magic and there is no space to investigate
   the details of the Apocalypse Working in this brief essay.
   
   Crowley remained firmly convinced until his death in 1947 that
   the Aeon of Horus had begun in 1904, precisely at the time he
   received The Book of the Law. He may have been right. The Aeon of
   Horus is the duration of the apocalypse, that period when
   Coronzon shall rule over the cosmos and visit destruction upon
   mankind. And the apocalypse is a mental transformation that will
   occur, or is presently occurring, within the collective
   unconscious of the human race.
   
  A Mental Armageddon
 
   Fundamentalist Christians commonly believe that the end of the
   world will be a completely physical event and will be sparked by
   some horrifying material agent -- global thermonuclear war, or
   the impact of a large asteroid, or a deadly plague.
   
   This supposition is natural in view of the concrete imagery of
   the book of Revelation. It is in keeping with the materialistic
   world view of modern society. But nobody stops to consider that
   this destruction is described by angels, or that angels are
   spiritual, not physical, beings.
   
   In my opinion the apocalypse prepared by the Enochian angels must
   be primarily an internal, spiritual event, and only in a
   secondary way an external, physical catastrophe. The gates of the
   Watchtowers that stand guard at the four corners of our dimension
   of reality are mental constructions. When they are opened, they
   will admit the demons of Coronzon, not into the physical world,
   but into our subconscious minds.
   
   Spirits are mental, not material. They dwell in the depths of
   mind and communicate with us through our dreams, unconscious
   impulses, and more rarely in waking visions. They affect our
   feelings and our thoughts beneath the level of our conscious
   awareness. Sometimes they are able to control our actions, either
   partially, as in the case of irrational and obsessive behavior
   patterns, or completely, as in the case of full possession.
   Through us, and only through us, are they able to influence
   physical things.
   
   The Enochian communications teach not only that humanity itself
   must initiate the apocalypse through the magical formula
   delivered to Dee and Kelly, but that humans must be the physical
   agents that bring about the plagues, wars, and famines described
   with such chilling eloquence in the vision of St. John. It is we
   who will let the demons of Coronzon into our minds by means of a
   specific ritual working. They will not find a welcome place there
   all at once, but will worm their way into our subconscious and
   make their homes there slowly over time. In the minds of
   individuals that resist this invasion they will find it difficult
   to gain a foothold, but in the more pliable minds of those who
   welcome their influence they will establish themselves readily.
   
   Once the demons have taken up residence, we will be powerless to
   prevent them from turning our thoughts and actions toward chaotic
   and destructive ends. These apocalyptic spirits will set person
   against person and nation against nation, gradually increasing
   the madness and chaos in human society until at last the full
   horror of Revelation has been realized upon the stage of the
   world. The corruption of human thoughts and feelings may require
   generations to bring to full fruition. Only after the wasting and
   burning of souls is well advanced will the full horror of the
   apocalypse achieve its final fulfillment in the material realm.
   
   Let us suppose for the sake of argument that the signal for the
   initiation of this psychic invasion occurred in 1904 when Crowley
   received the Book of the Law, as he himself believed. Crowley's
   Enochian evocations of 1909 then pried the doors of the
   Watchtowers open a crack enough to allow a foul wind to blow
   through the common mind of the human race. This would explain the
   senseless slaughter of the First World War and the unspeakable
   horror of the Nazi Holocaust during the Second World War. It
   would explain the decline of organized religions and why the
   soulless cult of science has gained supremacy. It would explain
   the moral and ethical bankruptcy of modern times and the increase
   in senseless violence.
   
   We may not have long to wait before the individual known in the
   vision of St. John as the Antichrist, the one foretold in
   Crowley's Book of the Law to follow after the Beast, will succeed
   in completing the Apocalypse Working. Then the gates of the
   Watchtowers will truly gape wide, and the children of Coronzon
   will sweep into our minds as crowned conquerors. If this chilling
   scenario ever comes to pass, the wars of the twentieth century
   will seem bucolic to those who survive the slaughter.
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Re: John Dee....the original 007

THE NEW WORLD ORDER
From the British Empire to the American Empire:
Liberal Imperialism, Sir Edward  Grey and the Question of
British Responsibility for the First World War
by Terry Boardman
http://www.monju.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/NWO10.htm

Balfour
In lectures published in English under title The Karma Of Untruthfulness Vol 1 (hereafter KOU 1), Rudolf Steiner drew attention to the fact that certain great families had held power in Britain since the days of Henry VIII and Elizabeth. Steiner  spoke of Rosebery in connection with Thomas Moore's Utopia. More, he says, was in fact  executed for criticising the power of these families. They included the families of Lord Salisbury, Lord Rosebery and Lord Palmerston. Steiner also drew attention to the 1890s as the time when 'the imperialist stream' took over from what he called 'the puritanical stream', by which he meant the evangelical or non-conformist liberal stream. Furthermore, he pointed out that in the '90s, a special Cabinet committee was set up to oversee imperial defence, and that here an element of undemocratic secrecy stole into the British parliamentary system. This committee was the initiative of  Arthur Balfour, Lord Salisbury's nephew, when he served as First Lord of the Treasury in his uncle's government. That government remained in office for 20 years, and when Salisbury stepped down in 1902, his nephew Balfour simply stepped into his place as Prime Minister. Balfour's biographer Kenneth Young has said that the two men thought "as one on the future of the Empire and Pan Anglo-saxonism …".

During these 20 years of the Conservative governments of Salisbury and Balfour, it was said that Britain was in effect run from 'Hotel Cecil' i.e. by the Cecil family, the family of Lord Salisbury, whose ancestors had been Secretaries of State to Queen Elizabeth and King James I, as well as presiding over the founding of the British Secret Service. Under Elizabeth, the Cecils' key agent had been the occultist John Dee, the original 007, as he styled himself, and the first ideologue of the British Empire and advocate of British control of North America. It was at Dee's instigation and with the aid of Dee's navigational mathematics that the first British colony was planted in North America by Sir Walter Raleigh (9). Arthur Balfour was a highly cultured man, a philosopher and, like his uncle,  an amateur scientist. He was also a founder member of the Society for Psychical Research and stood close to those concerned with spiritualism and Theosophy. A study of his biography reveals a man who was a master of understatement, intrigue, and secrecy. In the 1890s he was the originator of the Cabinet Office.

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Once the demons have taken up residence, we will be powerless to  prevent them from turning our thoughts and actions toward chaotic and destructive ends. These apocalyptic spirits will set person
against person and nation against nation, gradually increasing the madness and chaos in human society until at last the full horror of Revelation has been realized upon the stage of the world. The corruption of human thoughts and feelings may require generations to bring to full fruition. Only after the wasting and burning of souls is well advanced will the full horror of the apocalypse achieve its final fulfillment in the material realm.

After that bit I was reminded of the demons in this mans head http://nbadraft.net/rapteam/canibus.jpg
The Mad Mason, Dr. Germaine Williams a.k.a. "Canibus" or "Rip the Jacker"
He uses ritual in his lyrics and speech under the guise of hip-hop but in reality he is a sorcerer and self proclaimed "Poet Laureate" see: http://youtube.com/watch?v=arfx6eMJCr4

Then Druid pops in and drops yet another fascinating clue that points to even more conspiracy:

Furthermore, he pointed out that in the 1890s, a special Cabinet committee was set up to oversee imperial defence, and that here an element of undemocratic secrecy stole into the British parliamentary system. This committee was the initiative of  Arthur Balfour,

First Lord of the Treasury.....when Salisbury stepped down in 1902, his nephew Balfour simply stepped into his place as Prime Minister. Balfour's biographer Kenneth Young has said that the two men thought "as one on the future of the Empire and Pan Anglo-saxonism …".

Get this my Noble Realm friends: Sep. 11, 1922 The British declare the mandate of Palestine, following up the 1917 Balfour Declaration! (thus the creation of the Jewish State)

Is it just me? Or is this all too insane to fully understand the dynamics going on here?

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7 (edited by Bhang 2007-07-31 15:29:04)

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The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated November 2, 1917) was a classified formal statement of policy by the British government on the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of the World War I.

The letter stated the position, agreed at a British Cabinet meeting on October 31, 1917, that the British government supported Zionist plans for a Jewish "national home" in Palestine , with the condition that nothing should be done which might prejudice the rights of existing communities there.

The "Balfour Declaration" was later incorporated into the Sèvres peace treaty with Turkey and the Mandate for Palestine. The declaration was made in a letter from Arthur James Balfour (Foreign Secretary) to Lord Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation, a private Zionist organization. The document is kept at the British Library. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_De … on_of_1917

http://www.marcsky.com/Images/Star-of-David.jpg

I'm running in fricking circles here! I apologize to those Jewish people who have no evil dealings or desires and get dragged down with British Zionism... and John Dee's evil majicks.

Is John Dee the father of the Jewish State through some magical working?

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He is also credited with whipping up a storm to help defeat the Spanish Armada.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:YZ … &gl=us

Bhang, Dee's influence and power most certainly layed the cornerstone for the City of London and it's Jewish control. This guy was Kissinger, Merlin and Rasputin all rolled into one.

" The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it "

Ayn Rand

9 (edited by Zejith_Themis 2007-08-07 08:49:29)

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Hmmm... not even going to touch the Crowley claptrap bits, but...

apocalypse = revelation, not armageddon.

the (fundamentalist christian) meme above dismantled is INFINITELY repeated in ALL paranoid occult conspiracy literature (which has it's roots for the most part in the right-wing, fundie, anti-masonic circles. In recent times it's been wholeheartedly adopted by (? forced down the throat of ?) the leftist libertarian paranoids .

it is a virus in our cognitive systems.

ok, i lied. i will touch the claptrap.... the bit that goes:

...The Aeon of Horus is the duration of the apocalypse, that period when
   Coronzon shall rule over the cosmos and visit destruction upon
   mankind. And the apocalypse is a mental transformation that will
   occur, or is presently occurring, within the collective
   unconscious of the human race.

is full of feces. it's practically a MadLib.

to wit:  the concept of Choronzon has been adapted in this verbal Chick Tract to meet the criteria of the christan's devil/antichrist from the fundie interpretation of apocalypse. It is a purely spurious interpolation into the doctrine of the new Aeon and has absolutely no part in it.

The imagery of the 3rd chapter of Liber Legis has multiple levels. the prediction of strife refers not to the intrinsic nature of Horus, which is force and fire, leaping laughter and life;  but refer rather to the effect of the force and fire of liberation being met by the crusty remnants of the old regime attempting to freeze everything in place and not allow for evolution.  the War and Vengeance of Horus are directed at this system, which we know as "The System". The literal warfare being forced on the world are measures of enforced entropy brought by the "ancien regime" of the age of Osiris.

Remember Orwell's comment on the nature of warfare and it's purpose.

now on to more Claptrap, on the enochian system itself.

viz.: 

The Enochian communications teach not only that humanity itself
   must initiate the apocalypse through the magical formula
   delivered to Dee and Kelly, but that humans must be the physical
   agents that bring about the plagues, wars, and famines described
   with such chilling eloquence in the vision of St. John. It is we
   who will let the demons of Coronzon into our minds by means of a
   specific ritual working. They will not find a welcome place there
   all at once, but will worm their way into our subconscious and
   make their homes there slowly over time. In the minds of
   individuals that resist this invasion they will find it difficult
   to gain a foothold, but in the more pliable minds of those who
   welcome their influence they will establish themselves readily.

NO WHERE is bringing Choronzon "into the world" with "his demons" to "take up residence" mentioned, much less proposed as a desireable goal in either the original enochian workings nor in A.C's. Nowhere. In fact Choronzon is represented in Crowley's visions as an outgrowth of the demiurgic non-conciousness, and the principal lion on the path of the exempt adept who is attempting to attain to the grade beyond the "Abyss", the shores of the Great Sea Marah, the domain of the Celestial Vigin/Whore, the Great mother.

or Sophia, if you prefer.

Also the concept AC held of the Great Beast was not that of a bringer of strife. More claptrap that has no excuse, not even incompetence, as it is quite easy to find out what his position was in about 5 minutes with a decent connection to the net, and if you're writing an article, for Bob's sake research AT LEAST 5 minutes.

I would truly like to know where some of these authors get their stuff, and how much a bottle of it costs.

This presuming, of course, that their disinfo arises from crapulous hacksmanship and not malice. Got to give the benefit of doubt ;-)

As far as "Wondering if C. completed this that and the other thing", if the author had actually read "Liber 418 being of the angels of the 30 Aethyrs the vision and the voice" instead of just title-dropping, he'd have the answer.

A: the unknown key was simply never made available to Dee or any others thereafter

B: the 30 aethyrs were completed, in 2 runs. the final parts were in the desert with Neuberg. there's no doing them "in correspondence with the elemental watchtowers". they are a seperate series. they pertain to a cosmogony similar to the expanding speheres of the gnostics... out to the pleroma, as it were.

C: the 18 keys are not a series unto themselves like the Aethyrs, but rrather a set to be used in combination in accordance with the elemental tablet angels being invoked. it's not a series of 18 visions. In fact the possible invocations that can be made with them comprise all letters of the tablets singly, the kerub names, the subservient angels, the elemental kings... I really don't feel like doing the math on this right now, but at the very least:

(156*4)+(16*16)+(16*4)+(7*4)....

and i know i'm forgetting some possibilities.

Needless to say this portion, intended to be executed an pubished as an appendage to Liber Chanock was never completed. Hardly surprising.

In short the above article mixes historical snippets in a heavy sauce of sensationalist tripe and spurious invention. Would make an excellent horror movie, if done with a really big budget.

But as far as informing on the enochian system, it's manner and scope, and it's objectives.....  it's less than worthless.

Many things that seem "quite clear" to the author are mere exasperation of symbolic language being interpreted as literally as was useful to the author. comments like "nothing could be clearer" etc. placed before a personal interpretation of what was a very contorted and symbolic exposition are beyond crapulous. I call shenanigans on those lines.

Of course much of the speculation on Dee's plotting for the "good of the empire" may be exact, or may be more pseudo-history.

One thing that bears noting is that Dee was indeed a ferverent christian, despite his scientific and occult fascinations; and he was QUITE taken aback when the angels started putting him off church claptrap and silliness and presented distinctly GNOSTIC doctrines to him. He then seems to have sucked it up and pressed on. "Adopt, adapt and improve", one surmises, must have been his attitude.

Perhaps also, his shock was feigned, as many authors of such treatises did in recording them. It's called CYA and quite necessary in certain social and historical situations. Anyone remember what King came after 'Lizbeth? (hint: his most famous pubication may be found in many american hotels)

NOIZ NOIZ signal NOIZNOIZ NOIZZZZZZ...... :-)

"Evil Majicks" indeed...  *turns up the static on the radio real loud*

oh, well.. white noise does help you sleep....

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sleeping is not my par...

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11 (edited by Bhang 2007-08-07 18:04:30)

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NO WHERE is bringing Choronzon "into the world" with "his demons" to "take up residence" mentioned, much less proposed as a desireable goal in either the original enochian workings nor in A.C's. Nowhere. In fact Choronzon is represented in Crowley's

Why do Crowley's visions of Choronzon even matter if Dee was the first to experience Choronzon?

That's like me saying I just spoke with Jesus.

The whole thesis is flawed despite the very informative narrative. I admire your magical knowledge base and comprehension. I know your intentions are pure so no need for petty squabbles, I only hope to clarify your real intentions of said post.

Dee did not "desire" to "bring Choronzon "into the world" with "his demons" to "take up residence" "
he only acted as a radio...

Kelly just observed and wrote the stuff down.

The Enochian spirits got their name from the nature of the
   magical system they described.

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12 (edited by Zejith_Themis 2007-08-09 14:35:09)

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Oh no need to squabble, didn't want to either. Just tired of people who want to be fiction writers making such articles and passing them off as decent research.

I mean it doesn't take much, just read the books you are going to name in the article. One of the most annyoing things in the world is hearing something flat-out made-up, then having someone tell you "and you can look it up here" when you own the damn book.  It's bloody pythonesque.    All quite fine when in satire, but not as information. Shades of O'Reilly.

My point is the whole premise is bollocks, but it's peppered with title-dropping, and verifiable historical snippets that make it seem to the casual reader that it's an accurate analysis.  The conclusions of the author however, are either based on the false bits, or are non-sequiturs placed after an accurate bit.

Also:

Why do Crowley's visions of Choronzon even matter if Dee was the first to experience Choronzon?

pre-point A: you cut out of the quote, but should have left at least, the definition of Choronzon as dispersion and demiurgos; the very bane of the gnostic seeker, which really is the point of ceremonially passing him over in the tenth Aethyr after having constrained him by the name of the wholy Mother/Whore/Virgin BABALON. Of course this means abandoning the author's interpretation of Apocalypsos itself and this is the blinding i'm saying such articles bring.

A: Dee didn't experience Choronzon at all, and you didn't even get that idea from THIS article.

B: Crowley DID work the system, whereas we have no recording of either Dee or Kelley ever invoking angels internal to the system.

and:

Dee did not "desire" to "bring Choronzon "into the world" with "his demons" to "take up residence" "
he only acted as a radio...

Kelly just observed and wrote the stuff down.

As far as Dee's intentions, That's bloody well what I said.. callin up choronzon don't enter into it.

however you have the roles backwards, and part of my point is these articles leave people with their ideas just so muddled.

Dee invoked, Kelly mediumed using Dee's crystal or mirror (crystal mentiond in certain recordings, mirror in others) , Dee scribed (wrote it down)

So Kelley was the fax machine proper, and Dee was the power generator and toner cartridge. No radios involved, no casual observers  ;-)


Furthermore the author's conclusions are based on nothing present in the material. He presents his thesis, as i stated above, as non-sequiturs and from false premises.

The inital definition of Apocalypse is an Argumentum ad populum that, from the outset, denies other interpretations of the term and put blinders on the casual reader.

The intention of my post was to adress this type of writing, which plagues those seriously trying to figure ANYTHING out in any area of knowledge, not just Magickal History Trivia and Human Eschatological Fixations, and i'm sure you've run in to as much of such bunk as i have.

That stuff just makes me itch because i remember how much time such badly done (or purposefully misleading) aritcles made ME waste. I imagine someone gettig their first whiff of a subject from this stuff and shudder... entropy is starting to feel more and more like fingernails on slate to me lately, so i get peevish when it seems artificially added.

I hope it's clear now that i wasn't peeved with you... just this noise that we all get drowned in.

and btw, i don't get this bit at all:

NO WHERE is bringing Choronzon "into the world" with "his demons" to "take up residence" mentioned, much less proposed as a desireable goal in either the original enochian workings nor in A.C's. Nowhere. In fact Choronzon is represented in Crowley's

Why do Crowley's visions of Choronzon even matter if Dee was the first to experience Choronzon?

That's like me saying I just spoke with Jesus.

Methinks the non sequitur bug is contagious. Another reason i fly off at the handle at these  unctuous  meme  dumps  that some writers pass off as information.

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     Zejith Themis
      .:420-510:.
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I can not pretend to know more on these subjects that you. It seems rather evident than you possess a great understanding of nearly all things "magical". Yet as far as authors go, Donald Tyson is a leading authority when it comes to books on said subject. I do not vouch for the mans personal feelings or interpretations but I do believe he knows what the hell he is talking about because he has done the research and has many books to his name. I'm not saying that he can't be wrong but I am saying that Mr. Tyson knows his subject.

Books by Tyson:
    * Scrying For Beginners
    * Necronomicon : The Wanderings of Alhazred
    * 1-2-3 Tarot
    * The New Magus
    * Enochian Magic for Beginners
    * Tetragrammaton
    * Rune Magic
    * Sexual Alchemy
    * Familiar Spirits
    * The Magician's Workbook
    * Rune Dice Divination Book
    * The Power of the Word
    * Three Books of Occult Philosophy
    * Ritual Magic
    * New Millennium Magic
    * Tortuous Serpent
    * How to Make and Use a Magic Mirror
    * Truth About Ritual Magic
    * Power of the Runes
    * Truth About Runes
    * Alhazred: Author of the Necronomicon
    * Liber Lilith
    * Soul Flight: Astral Projection & the Magical Universe
    * The New Magus: Ritual Magic as a Personal Process

Either he knows stuff that you have not learned or he may very well be full of it. I do not pretend to know. All I know is I read his article above and was blown away. The images of Dee and Kelley working in some creepy laboratory has haunted my imagination since I read it a few years back.  (and yes I mixed them up while replying - apologies) Zejith_Themis, I'm intimidated to even respond because I know you know your stuff. Yet at the same time, I think Donald Tyson has put in the work and time to say with confidence what he says/writes. I will be digging in deeper on this but please forgive my lack of abilities when it comes to cross-referencing different magical systems - my knowledge base is not that deep in these waters.

and btw, i don't get this bit at all:

        NO WHERE is bringing Choronzon "into the world" with "his demons" to "take up residence" mentioned, much less proposed as a desireable goal in either the original enochian workings nor in A.C's. Nowhere. In fact Choronzon is represented in Crowley's

    Why do Crowley's visions of Choronzon even matter if Dee was the first to experience Choronzon?

    That's like me saying I just spoke with Jesus.

Methinks the non sequitur bug is contagious. Another reason i fly off at the handle at these  unctuous  meme  dumps  that some writers pass off as information.

It says above that Crowley:

The record of Crowley's working of the Enochian Aethers in 1909
   in the desert of North Africa is preserved in the document titled
   The Vision and the Voice. He possessed a profound and broad
   understanding of ritual magic, an understanding that was not
   merely theoretical but practical. No other man of the twentieth
   century was better suited to initiate the Apocalypse Working,
   even as there had been no man in the sixteenth century better
   suited than Dee to receive it from the Enochian angels.
   Interestingly, Crowley believed himself to be the reincarnation
   of Edward Kelley.

"began working on the Enochian Aethers in 1909"  Later Crowley would call one of these Aethers "Choronzon" which is just a different name used by Crowley for the very same "Enochian Aether/Angel/Spirit/Demon. That was my only point with above. Crowley picked up where Dee and Kelly had left off.

As I stated earlier, I will be digging into this deeper and will totally appreciate any clarification on these matters. I'm just trying to learn here and I like when I'm told that I'm wrong (despite my bruised ego). I would rather be told that the information is wrong and fix it rather than go on thinking the wrong things. Please feel free to Illuminate us!  I do not want to fall asleep in the white noise.

Till later, Bhang.

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14 (edited by druid 2007-08-08 12:41:36)

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I think following Crowley's trail is a waste of time... and following him weakens the moral strenght we badly need.

15 (edited by Zejith_Themis 2007-08-09 14:39:50)

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It says above that Crowley:

The record of Crowley's working of the Enochian Aethers in 1909
   in the desert of North Africa is preserved in the document titled
   The Vision and the Voice. He possessed a profound and broad
   understanding of ritual magic, an understanding that was not
   merely theoretical but practical. No other man of the twentieth
   century was better suited to initiate the Apocalypse Working,
   even as there had been no man in the sixteenth century better
   suited than Dee to receive it from the Enochian angels.
   Interestingly, Crowley believed himself to be the reincarnation
   of Edward Kelley.

"began working on the Enochian Aethers in 1909"  Later Crowley would call one of these Aethers "Choronzon" which is just a different name used by Crowley for the very same "Enochian Aether/Angel/Spirit/Demon. That was my only point with above. Crowley picked up where Dee and Kelly had left off.

Actually, no again (sorry! not being mean i swear!).

He BEGAN working the Aethyrs in November 1900 in Mexico, and only penetrated 2 of them before being blocked. He surmised that he had not yet the effective "grade" to go further.  He picked up the keys again nine years later asisted by his pupil and part time lover Fr. Omnia Vincam (Victor Neuberg).

Choronzon is not a name invented by A.C.. It is not "another name", it is the name that appears once in the original Dee material and which Dee gives in one place the attributes of Samael, the "Blind God", which is a term used in the Gnostic document known as "De Origo Mundi" to refer to the demiurge. In another Dee opts for the imagery of the more traditional church's Devil.

Crowley did not call ANY Aethyr Choronzon. He attributed the Tenth Aethyr, which is called ZAX (enochian prounciation is always a matter of debate), to the crossing of the Abyss (Da'ath on the Tree of Life, going from Chesed to Binah, the great mother) where he maintained that one must confront the demiurgic entity of Dispersion, and abandon all attachments before being able to pass over him, on to the shores of Binah.


{edit - as for what he CALLED the Aethyr, the probability is ZodAXa, given the general scheme he used for pronunciation. there are different opinions, ZAXa being another example}

This type of article shows an undue use of dramatic language, suppositions, what-ifs presented as history, etc... but they always tend to ignore any actual mention of actual doctrines behind what these people were doing. Which, getting a gander at the list of Tyson's other titles surprises me greatly!!

I simply wouldn't expect such trite from someone who's written titles such as those, makes me wonder what those books are like. I mean if you've written on Tarot and Qabalah and read 418 you'd have to be purposefully obfuscating to write that article. I'm going to search out some tyson stuff now online, or maybe pass me some other links if you got 'em i'd like to form an idea of this character.

Liber 418 (Being of the 30 Aethyrs The Vision and the Voice) can be found here:

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/l418/418.html

along with a ton of other informative titles on the subject concerned at hermetic.com . I started there long before i started building up a real-book library on it all.

also 418 is here in PDF:

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/Liber418.pdf

So it's really not that arduous... it's just as easy to get these things right as it is to get them wrong, so why not?

Now i'm certaily not qualified to illuminate anyone on anything. I'm just pointing out that documentation is easy, and double-checking is easy. Playing post-office with these articles muddies the waters, waters that i find are obscure enough as it is.

And i really don't want to bruise egos, i understand what it feels like to hit on an article that get your blood pumping and neurons singing, like i said i managed to get a lot of time wasted by such articles, websites and groups before going to the horse's mouth for the skinny. I've had to bruise my own ego quite a bit, believe me!

And remember, Politicians put in work and time to say what they say with confidence too. Also qv: the term "confidence man".

As for weakening my moral strength (which is actually feeling quite fine, thank you very much!) what process would that be happening through, Druid?

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