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I went back and highlighted parts of the original list that stood out as things that have already happened or which are currently happening, as well as adding some personal notes/comments.

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I keep thinking about that list every time I hear the news.  Also listed under "Emerging/Natural Disasters" is "underground fires". There has been a massive one that started in a coal mine in Centralia, Pennsylvania in 1962. It is still burning, and pretty much the whole town disappeared.   http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=479-89k     

Also Lyra, I dont know if you have been paying attention to the local news. I also saw listed under the "emerging/natural distasters" , SINK HOLES.  There has been a sink hole on rte 29 up near Forest Lakes that they have been having to repair constantly over the past few years.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

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Was flipping through the book "The Synchronized Universe - New Science of the Paranormal" by Claude Swanson, Ph.D., (from 2003) when I came upon his chapter that gets into No-Eyes and her prophesies.  !   Pretty cool.   Even better because he seems to solve the mystery about what the "green hue" will be for the sky during the "Phoenix Days."  And it ties into a possibly prophetic dream that Tom had back in 2002, which I'll get into.  !  Anyway, here's some excerpts.  He writes for the masses, which means it's a lot of obvious "duh" stuff, stuff that NR'ers who do a lot of research would already know and be familiar with (like the description of what a coronal mass ejection is, etc.) so for that reason I left stuff out since he's explaining the obvious.   I note where stuff skips by using a [...]  And with the exception of bold heading titles, the bolded sentences are my own.  It's long, but even longer for me since I'm the one who typed it all.  big_smile  haha  Good thing I type fast.  It's interesting and worth the read though I think:


The Synchronized Universe/Claude Swanson wrote:

A General Consensus Among Major Prophesies

The Hopi prophecies are similar to others pertaining to the present time.  Some of the most famous are the predictions made by Edgar Cayce, the "sleeping prophet."  Cayce predicted massive changes in the weather followed by earthquakes and a calamitous "pole shift" around the time of the millennium.  It would be accompanied or followed by a war in the Middle East.  Yet the earth changes have clearly not happened, which has caused many to become skeptical of all prophesy.

At the same time, there are other, independent sources of prophesy which envision a remarkably similar scenario.  The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints, or the Mormons, place great importance on prophecy, and one of the highest officials in the church as the formal title "Prophet."  It is his responsibility to make and evaluate predictions and to advise the church hierarchy.  (Skousen, 1939)  There are also very interesting predictions in Dolores Cannon's Nostradamus series, [ http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2719 ] as well as the writings of Dannion Brinkley and those of Mary Summer Rain.  These predictions were all made more than fifteen years ago. [NOTE by lyra - in the case of No-Eyes they were made 25 years ago as of now, 2007.]   I have been able to meet and interview these latter three writers, and believe they all operate with integrity and high spiritual intent. 

Each of these prophecies predicts the following series of events pertaining to the present and near future time period:

1.  Increasingly severe and extreme weather events: droughts, floods, tornadoes, unusual high winds
2.  A world-wide economic collapse.  In the US:  deflation, stock market collapse and high unemployment
3.   Religious conflict within the US:  The rise of Christian fundamentalism and closer involvement between church and government
4.  Major war focused on the Middle East, which will be called World War III (Desert Storm and the recent Iraq war are viewed as only preludes to a world-wide conflict)
5.  Major and severe earth changes:  Earthquakes, tidal waves, culminating eventually in a pole shift and changes in the land contours of the U.S. and Europe.


Prophesies of "No-Eyes" and Mary Summer Rain

Because of the five main predictions above are consistent among these prophesies, I will focus on the prophesies of the Native American medicine woman named "No-Eyes," all made before 1983.   These are recounted in a series of books written by Mary Summer Rain.  (Summer Rain, 1985, 1987)  Several prophetic visions of future events were described, predicted to begin around the millenium:   

- A general worsening of economic conditions in the United States, caused by the export of manufacturing jobs to third world countries, combined with jobs lost to automation.  This would cause an economic decline in the United States, and a weakening of the stock market and financial markets.

- This would be accompanied by massive corporate or "white collar" crime and corruption.   No-Eyes predicted that formerly respectable executives at big corporations would use their position to rob the treasuries of those companies, and this would shatter the faith investors had in corporations.

- A final trigger to a global financial collapse would be the disappearance of international free trade.   She predicted a trade war would erupt between countries, and international free trade agreements would break down.  A deflationary spiral would result, leading to a collapse in commodity prices and the destruction of the banking system.

- These economic changes would be accompanied by massive changes in climate.   The seasons would be "all mixed up," with large temperature fluctuations from day to day.   This would be accompanied by increasingly fierce storms.  Tornadoes would appear where they had never been seen before.  Drought would be widespread, and would be alleviated only by flash flooding, as the weather behaved erratically and went through wild fluctuations.

- The droughts would cause sink-holes to be a spreading problem, swallowing up homes without warning.   This would also be a time of rising disease, including biologically engineered diseases, which would kill many.

- Increasingly, religious organizations would become involved in politics, and the politicians would make more laws about religion.  The constitutional guarantees of separation of church and state would begin to disappear, and this would lead to protests.

- The United States would increasingly become involved in military operations and wars overseas.  We would become involved in many wars in "little countries" and this would bring back the draft.  T he expense of conducting military operations in so many countries would break the national budget, further damage the economy and lead to burdensome increases in taxes.

- The earth itself would go through extreme changes, with large earthquakes leading to a shift in the earth's poles causing massive tidal waves and destruction.  This would be forewarned by several days of "green sky" which suggests auroras and atmospheric electrical activity, perhaps indicating solar activity as the trigger. The shape of the land masses would be different after the resulting massive earth changes.

- There are many predictions she made pertaining to the time following this.  A catastrophic war in the Middle East, nuclear weapons detonated by men with "brown skin," and eventual political upheaval int eh United States were among her predictions.  A long term change in the weather was predicted, leading to a time of dramatically reduced rainfall.  A time was predicted in which global average rainfall would shrink to near zero.


The Dolores Cannon/Nostradamus prophesies are consistent with this scenario.  They add more detail about a
world-wide Arab conspiracy and a Pan-Muslim alliance leading to a major world war.  They speak of covert involvement by the Chinese starting in the early 1990s, which has been confirmed to some extent.

[....] About twelve years after the publication of Cannon's three volumes on Nostradamus, I reviewed the predictions which were to have already occurred.  I identified about a dozen such predictions.   The rest may or may not come to pass in the future, but these twelve predictions quoted specific times which enabled me to evaluate them.  I found that about half had come to pass and half had not.   So from what I have seen so far, they are about 50% accurate, very roughly.  Given the specific detailed nature of the predictions, I believe this is far higher than would be expected from chance of coincidence.  At the same time, they are far from infallible. 

What I found fascinating was that, even when a prediction failed, it seemed to describe qualitatively certain trends which have been occurring.  The rise of a pan-Muslim confederation, initially established in secret, seems to be one of the biggest successes of this prophecy.  The predictions of Chinese involvement, and the description of a "cabal" in America which also favored and promoted this war, seem to be successes based on what we have seen so far.   I also noticed that the exact timing of the events was often in error and seemed to be the most likely aspect to go wrong.

This minor exercise in prophecy evaluation led me to the following two conclusions:

1.  Prophecy often seems to capture the large scale or general trend of a time period even if it misses on the
     specific event
2.  Time and time ordering seem to be the most likely parts to be in error.


Evaluation of No-Eyes' Predictions

Most of Mary Summer Rain's conversations with "No-Eyes" occurred in 1982, when she received her predictions.  Since that time, we have seen the weather go crazy.  Number of Killer Storms & Droughts Increasing Worldwide is the headline of a report from the World Water Forum in Japan.  (Cosgrove, 2003)  The number of world-wide flood disasters has been increasing rapidly, from an average of 6 per decade in the 1950s to 26 per decade in the 1990s. (see Figure 12.7).

Other natural disasters, such as droughts and tropical storms, have also been increasing worldwide during the same period (Figure 12.8).   The number of tornadoes per year in the United States has undergone a steady increase as well, as shown in Figure 12.9.

[...] Young people today do not realize that our erratic weather is very different from the weather of 1982.  The last decade has seen six of the hottest years in history.

[...]  No-Eyes predicted that eventually these weather changes would lead to a time of no rain.  I thought this was a remarkable and strange prediction.  Then I began to investigate the weather prediction models to understand what causes rain.  I discovered that we get rain because of the delicate balance between the moisture content of the atmosphere, its temperature, and the wind speed.  This leads to what are called "fair weather" clouds in the summertime, also known as cumulus clouds.  They are caused by updrafts and down drafts in the lower atmosphere.  Meteorologists call them "convection cells":  warm air rises carrying moisture.  As it rises it cools  and becomes heavier.  The moisture cools and forms droplets which fall as rain.  And the cycle continues.

I discovered that, if there is not sufficient moisture in the atmosphere, or if the winds become too high, then these convection cells cannot form and rain does not fall.   I realized that this is exactly what could happen as the weather patterns shift due to global warming. It is the very likely "end state" of a new global weather pattern if something is not done to stop it.  It is not a well-known or widely publicized prediction, but it is now a likely prediction from some of the long-range weather models. 

The droughts we have been experiencing (Figure 12.8) may only be a prelude.  Somehow, the blind medicine woman knew this in 1982, before any scientist had ever uttered the words "global warming."  This is one more prediction of hers which appears to be coming true.   

[...]The earth changes predicted by No-Eyes have thankfully not yet occurred.  However, she predicted that they would be preceded by several days of unusual "green sky," which indicates auroral activity and resulting atmospheric electricity.  In the latter part of 2003 we saw the largest solar flare ever recorded, as the earth experienced an unprecedented series of "direct hits" of massive energy from the sun.  [NOTE from lyra:  Tom had a dream back in 2002 when we were in Florida which he said was fine to mention here, in fact he talks about this in his "Research Notes" section of his website.  But in the dream he went outside on the beach in Florida and there were green and red auroras in the sky.  Then he went inside a bar on the beach and on the TVs in the bar they were showing a mass UFO invasion taking place along with alien propaganda material.  Then by the end of the dream he saw volcanoes exploding and the ground breaking up with lava.  Sounds very similar!] 

During this period, the number of strong earthquakes (magnitude greater than 6.0) tripled for several weeks, perhaps warning us of greater earth changes to come.  The similarity between the recent spectacular auroras and No-Eyes warnings of "Green sky" is uncanny, but thankfully the predicted massive earth changes have not occurred.

The thing about earth changes not occurring yet and how some people will look at that and dismiss all the prophesies as being bunk - again, he notes that the order of events is often times incorrect.  So just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.  We're seeing the escalation of weather and climate issues, and that's what has to happen first after before the rest.  (not that I'm rooting for a pole flip...that won't be pretty, AT all.  According to Dolores Cannon's "Nostradamus" books, which I include an NR link to above, the world's population will go from about 6 billion to 100 million, even less probably.  But most of the world will be wiped out, and it's the same thing Mary saw when No-Eyes took her on an out of body journey to go witness the pole flip from space.  Based on what Mary described of the oceans sloshing this way and that, and the land moving and the accompanying winds, not many people would survive that sort of thing.)

He doesn't get into all of her predictions, the rest again can be found on the list at the beginning of this thread.  And he doesn't mention "The Watchers," another component of No-Eyes' prophesies.  The Watchers, who are not described and are assumed to be some sort of angelic or alien intelligence, I don't know, are apparently stepping back in their efforts to intervene in our daily lives and protect us from a lot of the accidents mishaps and mayhem we would normally experience....so that we can begin to rely on our own intuition and smarts and start taking care of ourselves.

Another thing worth noting about No-Eyes is that being a hermetic blind Native American woman tucked away in the mountains of Colorado with English as her second language, she was not "sophisticated."  So she wasn't involved in the modern world she was talking about, and she didn't always understand the fancy terms and big words and educated way that Mary would speak or the way in which Mary would re-phrase No-Eyes' prophesies into our own complicated way of talking.  But yet she still knew what was going to happen, even if she couldn't put it into sophisticated fancy speak, or understand the mechanisms behind how it all worked.  One aspect of that was talked about in the above excerpt concerning the cessation of rain fall - No-Eyes isn't a scientist of meteorologist, but she didn't have to be to understand - the rain will stop.  That's what's going to happen. Same goes for the rest of the prophesies concerning a world she was not involved in and stayed away from.  I find that to be most interesting.  I guess it's similar to the way the Hopis described horseless chariots traveling on black snakes across the land.  They didn't understand what it fully is or how it all works, but they were obviously seeing something accurate, as we can now recognize that description as being cars traveling on black pavement roads.

Anyway, that's the excerpt, thought it might be interesting to those reading this thread......

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Here are a few new stories that seem fitting:



Pilots killed at two air shows:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/28/airsho … index.html

Not one, but two airshow crashes, a day apart.  One in Wisconsin, one in Ohio. 



Two news helicopters collide in mid-air in Phoenix while covering a police chase:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/27/helico … index.html


The spate of crashes seems unusual.  I don't much follow the news so I don't know how normal or common this all is.   It's either a localized thing in terms of the timeline, or it's an indicator of a greater trend...

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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I don't believe either of those is frequent.  Air show disasters are more frequent than news helicopter crashes however.

I also think of this thread whenever anything happens.

FOX 4 Chopper Forced to Make Emergency Landing 

Last Edited: Monday, 30 Jul 2007, 9:15 AM CDT 
Created: Sunday, 29 Jul 2007, 7:03 PM CDT 

A FOX 4 News helicopter experienced engine failure in mid-flight Monday morning, causing it to skid to a stop and roll over on its side during an emergency landing.

FOX 4 reporter Chip Waggoner, pilot Curtis Crump and KRLD traffic reporter Julie DeHarty were on board. DeHarty reportedly suffered minor injuries, but the others remained unharmed.

The chopper experienced engine failure, according to those on board, and was forced to land in an area north of Joe Pool Lake, west of Belt Line.

The team was headed to the scene of some breaking news in Fort Worth when the engine failure occurred.

When the chopper hit the ground, it skidded and ended up landing on its side, according to Chip. He also praised Crump for being able to maneuver the difficult landing.

Crump also works for the Tarrant County Sheriff's Department and reportedly has a great deal of experience at practicing emergency landing situations.

Dallas police were able to locate the chopper almost immediately after the landing, and rushed to the scene.  All passengers were taken to Methodist Hospital for medical attention.

FAA officials as well as Dallas police will be investigating the incident.

http://tinyurl.com/yuqnnv

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Weather/climate changes was one of the prophesies that stood out as we're seeing it happening right now.  I have this 3-ring binder full of stories that I've been printing out from the internet over the past few years.  I go long periods without printing stuff then they'll be a bunch in a certain time period, so I know I don't have a complete collection by far.  But still, in looking back over it today I was amazed.  And this summer alone has been out of control for various parts of the world.

For the summer of 2007, here's what I have.  Excerpting highlights:

- UK fights worst floods in 60 years.  The "worst summer in living memory."

- "Deadly heat wave grips Europe."
Temperature rundowns:

Hungary - high of 107 F - 500 estimated dead
Serbia - 109 F
Romania, Turkey and Greece - 115 F - 19,000 people hospitalized in Romania
Macedonia - 113 F

Wildfires burning in Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Bulgaria and Greece
"Record-breaking high temperatures also killed 12 Romanians, one man in Macedonia and another man on the island of Corfu..."


- "West (U.S.) bakes in triple-digit heat"
Las Vegas, NV - "Temperatures reaching the 120s left millions holed up indoors Friday..."

Las Vegas hit 128, its newest record breaker.  Needles hit 124.
"Forecasts suggest the 100-plus temperature readings will reach all the way up to Billings, Montana, on Friday"


-"Torrential rains ravage central Texas"
"It's the wettest year on record in Austin, with more than 30 inches of rain since January..."
"Constant downpours that have claimed 11 lives in the past 10 days are giving Texans in the central hill country little time to recover..."


Going further back this year and beyond:


- "Storm pummels East Coast with Rain, Wind"
"More than 5.5 inches of rain fell in the New York region Sunday, shattering a record that had stood for more than 100 years, the National Weather Service said. The previous record for an April 15 measured in Central Park was 1.8 inches in 1906."

"Sunday was the second wettest day on record for Central Park, the National Weather Service said, where 7.5 inches had fallen by midnight Sunday."

"The storm was expected to be the worst of its kind since the December 1992 Nor'easter that caused millions of dollars worth of damage to buildings and forced thousands of evacuations..."


- "World faces hottest year ever, as El Nino combines with global warming"


-"Northwest Forecast:  dramatic change"


- "Winter storm blasts the Plains states"
"At least 12 deaths blamed on winter storms
Meteorologist says storm "is in the record books"
Colorado Civil Air Patrol searching for anybody trapped in drifts
Kansas declares emergency, mobilizes National Guard"


-"Climate Change vs. Mother Nature:  Scientists reveal that bears have stopped hibernating"


-"Wilma now most intense Atlantic storm ever"
"Gathering strength at a fierce pace, Hurricane Wilma swirled into the most intense Atlantic storm ever recorded on Wednesday, a Category 5 monster packing 175 mph wind..."
"Its confirmed pressure readings Wednesday morning dropped to 882 millibars - the lowest ever measured in a hurricane in the Atlantic basin"
(went from being a 70 mph tropical storm to a 175 mph Category 5 within 24 hours, "the most rapid strengthening ever recorded in a hurricane...")

- September 2005 "warmest September globally since beginning of reliable instruments."

- "Warm climate transforms Alaska terrain"

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Thanks for the suggested reading, Lyra. I bought this and read it a few weeks ago.  I see many of the things happening around me and in the news.  You're right about MSR's writing style! It's, shall we say, very poetic and descriptive.  I just skimmed past the boring parts!

Since I've read the book, I've finally started reading more about other life forms. I had been reading about everything else except the alien phenomenon.  Well, I got around to researching the reptilians and greys and dracs and milabs in the past couple weeks.  The puzzle is turning out to be very screwed up, indeed. 

The reason I brought it up is because I think No-eyes was lying about something. Either that, or she was misled.  She said at least twice that the earth changes weren't happening because of the rising of the Phoenix; she insisted on this.  I think she was wrong. I think they ARE happening because of the Phoenix.  And I don't think the phoenix is the correct term for what's rising. I now think that it may actually be the ancient one, the draconian. 

James Bartley has written and researched alot about the reps, and thankfully, I found him first.  His articles will have saved me years of grief in the ufo community.  I muscle tested that he is trustworthy. I also tested that David Icke is not; he used to be, but he has since been infiltrated and is no longer fully trustworthy.  I have no problem believing the outcome of James' research: namely that 'earth' is controlled by the reptilian overlords. They are the secret societies. They ARE the NWO. They are the elite, the bloodline. They've interbreeded with us to the point where we are all rep/humans to some degree. The research is undeniable for a truth seeker.

Anyways, the point being, I think my connect the dot game is getting close to the end.  I do think that No-eyes was accurate in what she saw, but I think she was covering up who is really behind the Phoenix Rising.

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Seeking the Truth wrote:

The reason I brought it up is because I think No-eyes was lying about something. Either that, or she was misled.  She said at least twice that the earth changes weren't happening because of the rising of the Phoenix; she insisted on this.  I think she was wrong. I think they ARE happening because of the Phoenix.  And I don't think the phoenix is the correct term for what's rising. I now think that it may actually be the ancient one, the draconian.......Anyways, the point being, I think my connect the dot game is getting close to the end.  I do think that No-eyes was accurate in what she saw, but I think she was covering up who is really behind the Phoenix Rising.

Hi STT - That's interesting....do you mind expanding in more detail about what you think is going on then, and how the Dracs/Reps fit into the picture? 

For those who haven't read the book, No-Eyes, the Chippewa shaman teacher of Mary Summer Rain, was basically saying that Earth is headed into a new age, and likened the changes leading up to the great shift/change as being akin to the birthing process.  It seems traumatic and scary and painful in the throws of it all, but afterwards great things emerge.  Whether that is what's really happening, I don't know.

Going back to STT -  If the phoenix is really the Reps/dracs, then what exactly is happening then with regards to the rising phoenix?  What are they doing?



Seeking the Truth wrote:

James Bartley has written and researched alot about the reps, and thankfully, I found him first.  His articles will have saved me years of grief in the ufo community.  I muscle tested that he is trustworthy.

Yes, I enjoyed the couple of articles I read by him, including the one called "MILABS Operations" that I've linked to here at NR and in my book.  He took the MILABS research to the next step, instead of just rehashing the same old basic stuff that everybody else is saying.  He actually tries to put puzzle pieces together and figure out what exactly "They" are doing and how they do it, versus just reporting facts.  I really liked that.  And he writes in a personable, one on one way.  He's worth a read for anybody who is interested in MILABS.   http://theuniversalseduction.com/MilabOperations.pdf 



Seeking the Truth wrote:

I also tested that David Icke is not; he used to be, but he has since been infiltrated and is no longer fully trustworthy.  I have no problem believing the outcome of James' research: namely that 'earth' is controlled by the reptilian overlords. They are the secret societies. They ARE the NWO. They are the elite, the bloodline. They've interbreeded with us to the point where we are all rep/humans to some degree. The research is undeniable for a truth seeker.

This confused me a bit.......isn't the outcome of James' research (Earth is controlled by rep overlords, they are the secret societies, they are the NWO, they are the elite, the bloodline, they've interbred with us, etc. ) the same thing that David Icke is also saying?  So if they're both saying the same thing, then why would James be okay, but David isn't? 

I've heard from others that they also feel uneasy about David Icke at this point, but I'm wondering why, when the subject matter of his research is still the same, and if anything has evolved to also include some higher spiritual stuff.  So is is the subject matter, or is it something about him as a person?   Not to spin this off onto a David Icke thing, as there have been a bunch of threads about him here at NR wink  but I was just curious after reading that, if anybody wanted to offer up further details about it all.  If he's been infiltrated, how would this manifest with him?  What would we be seeing? Again, would it show up in his material, or in his personality in some way?   I have to admit, I think his books are great.  Seriously!  They're full of manic info overload, but they're fun, you gotta admit.  haha   I'm currently reading through a borrowed copy of "Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster" and he's nailing all the "almost too obvious to point out" discrepancies and really weird happenings on 9/11.

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same conclusions, Seeking.  same.  havent figured yet how it goes EXACTLY with the reps, and the ancient gods, and the crats.  these ARE the major players.  run the trade routes.  the gods and the reps work in tandem to rule the routes.  we're the underlings that do the bidding.  as the bloodlines.  yes yes.  the war in heaven is their war.  theyve always been at it.  they brought it here with them.  its big BIZNESS.  they know all about it.  our military industrial complex is one big component inspired and was setup by them.  us as humans toil in it, make it work.  automatic money, spin, blood and gore=loosh feeding and increased trade for them.  thats how they live for eons.  over time.  fed by us and all the workings and layers.  and the reincarnation wheel.  food for the moon.  false planet wheeled in literally.  recycling deal.  quite the setup.  became clearer and more introduced when they insisted we do it here on earth with our garbage, tires, rubber, oil, water.  all set up in the 80's to introduce.  get us "used" to it.  they started alot of their game in Rome.  made a great war machine there.  pure draconian.  look at the architecture of the ancient cities at angkor wat.  thoth and the emerald tablets speaks of all those rigid sharp stabbing angles.  cities of the dead.  worhsip of that and the temples of the dead.  death and war is their bizness.  dark and cold and sharp-angled.  spiking tips and shreds.  the dark brothers are the reps.  we are of the blood.  hard to get the blood to break away and see.  bred in not to see.   how they program it in the human societies.   clear as bells.  i think the anu were a mix of god and rep.  the progenitors. 

its their war in heaven.  theyre at it to ultimately rule and lock down.  theyre all 3 (#again) at it.  it layers down to us caught in it.  we have reps, great draconian rulers, no slackers there, very powerful.  great ancient race that takes few prisoners in the long run.  they "keep" them in planetary camps.  their ships are huge, long running, over centuries and millennia.  somehow the ancient gods are in there alongside.  with real human genes.  not scales.  they interbred.  from off planet near and far worlds.  we know their planet's names/homes.  their ships and cultures r different.  and  then we have crats.  they are the possible end-product of their recycling.  possibly of both god and rep.  to allow them to live and keep up the crap while in a 4th state.  im not clear on how that works or has worked, exactly.  the crats have lots of human help.  maybe more than then is controlled by the reps.  armies of the dead.   not sure if the crats are reps.  crats seem to be more humanish somehow.  moree of an ancient more human off planet end product that is certainly right above and alongside the planet.  a "home" for them without going home.  a big camp of some sort which is a whole world.  a home for the old gods who wont give up.  none of them are willing to give up anything.  they own this world.  all are vying for the ????  this is how it goes.  this is not to say what is in the mind of ascended masters though, and how it will play out.  they watch and wait and wheedle on the sidelines.  the 'others' who we know have been at it just as long.  but seem far away, seem way more neutral.  like a waiting in the wings thing.  there are many watchers.  its hard to say who's really who.   its in their hands.  and what is a kill though is something that is extremely bigger.  more from source.  wherein galactical physical quantum physics shift stuff occurs which is bigger and more powerful, and more inevitable than what they can control and pull off.  like some majorly unreal unbelieveable factual REAL measureable stuff / events that happen in universes, universally.  thats coming.  and it changes the goings on simply because it can, and does.  it may look like "help" to some.  it comes, makes changes occur.  its beyond them but theyre clever and powerful enuf to see it, know what it is and have seen it before probably and they get in on it when it happens and ?????  trying to reap benefits from it.  its not in their hands yet it comes.  and come it will.  what we do is see that and smell it and prepare for the run itself.  thats how the fence used to work.  one used to sit on it, waiting.  the fence is nothing now.  cant be on it.     easy pickings sitting on a fence.  like a line of crows.  bing bing bing.  pick 'em right off.  the stand is not being on that fence.  humans will have to take one, one way or the other, each personally i think.  the stand is getting off that fence.  and knowing and trying to decide what to do, where to go, what to know and prepare for while still here.  i keep thinking the gnostics point to this and have wanted to speak for so long on this, and have.

it seems the great brotherhood, that is not dark, is the phoenix and it plans on rising and upsetting TPTB that run this world.  thats one mighty neutral way to do it and get it done.  make? sponsor?author? ==ASSIST  a universe flip on its axis as a "natural" event.  shift everything without 'taking a side.'  clean, pure, JUST IS.  wow.  like when a river flows, or a star grows, or a universe births.  they arent that powerful.  they are OF that.  so help is coming, quite naturally.  i havent read the no eyes stuff.  maybe its a case of an inaccurate interpretation, since they love to inspire those.  so easy to get twisted in this.  but as u say, mostly all of it is simply undeniable.  what does not help in this, is the programmed piping up and saying this is a program too.  oh no it aint.  its time to quit guessing and allow and know.  and for anybody to say that is impossible is wrong.  we can figure things out, and we should, we must.  its our job to know and search and research.  we should be pleased in that and do more.  our job aint finished yet.  we know what we know and it cant be manipulated here and there.  theres nothing honorable or noble in waiting til we get to the other side for "life" to start or to be rebirthed to know.  "it all begins then"===WRONG.  theyve sold that story for as long as theyve been here.  dont buy that one.  that approach is the biggest farce of all.  thats part and parcel and the end run of their religion and DEATH game.  u cant live til u die.  theres ur draconian.  how absolutely draconian.  and theocratic.  i feel like going into my bedroom right now, getting on my knees and praying -- more like TALKING DIRECTLY to source for just seeing that.  im gonna go do that right now.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Lyra wrote:

Hi STT - That's interesting....do you mind expanding in more detail about what you think is going on then, and how the Dracs/Reps fit into the picture?

Going back to STT -  If the phoenix is really the Reps/dracs, then what exactly is happening then with regards to the rising phoenix?  What are they doing?

I have come to the same realization as our friend zenden. Everything she just wrote is pretty accurate, IMO. I've asked a million questions in my quest, and somehow, someway, possibilities of answers keep falling into my lap.  I'm proceeding down the rabbit hole, it's dark as hell, and it's extremely deep.  I let my intuition and gut feelings lead me to the (perceived) truth. What is the truth anyways?  Is it just subjective?  Damn.

So, the reason I think the phoenix is really draconian in nature is because, from the material I've read so far, I'm just feeling that this is the truth. My muscle testing has produced some answers for me, in a yes or no manner, but the questions are in me to begin with.

I've only read a small amount of the info available about the reps and dracs, but I came across material that connected the reptilians to pteradactyls (sp?) and the phoenix, besides the obvious snake connection.  Flying men with wings, and such.  And since I had just finished reading No-eyes words, it was to my advantage.   Again, I get the answers I seek in the order that I need them. It's been that way from the day I woke from my slumber.  So it's more of an intuition, puzzle-building type of knowing. 

All in all, from what research I've done, it just makes perfect sense.  The ancienct one(s) is/are rising.  It was just a click type thing. I really can't explain it and I certainly have no proof.  It is just the truth as I am beginning to perceive it.  That doesn't mean it IS true. wink

And to answer the question, "What are they doing?".  Well, I think the obvious answer is, they're taking back what they perceive as rightfully theirs.  The muscle test response to "My higher self knows that reptilians are extraterrestrial" was a yes, pulled through.  Which could mean a couple things. But what I think it means is that they were off-planet at one time, but they no longer are, or that they came from off-planet but have been here so long that they couldn't be considered extraterrestrial any longer.  And after reading Bartley's work, I am beginning to see that this is true.  All the signs are there. 

Lyra wrote:

Yes, I enjoyed the couple of articles I read by him, including the one called "MILABS Operations" that I've linked to here at NR and in my book.  He took the MILABS research to the next step, instead of just rehashing the same old basic stuff that everybody else is saying.  He actually tries to put puzzle pieces together and figure out what exactly "They" are doing and how they do it, versus just reporting facts.  I really liked that.  And he writes in a personable, one on one way.  He's worth a read for anybody who is interested in MILABS.   http://theuniversalseduction.com/MilabOperations.pdf

Yeah, I really dig his style. He's balls to the wall with the truth. I like him. smile  I've read all of his articles, I think. I got them mostly from Eve Lorgen's site.  I read his MILAB article months ago because you have that link on your site. Or maybe it was on Montalk's, or someone on the forum... I don't remember. But he has a few more that are extremely interesting, that I just found. I'll have to reread the milab one, because the first time I read it quickly, thinking that it didn't have anything to do with me.  Some would call that denial. Some would call it programming. I find myself very sleepy when I read about this stuff.  And remember the problems I had printing out your book?  Weird, I tell ya... (BTW, yesterday I m.t.ed that I have been abducted by the military and the greys. At least my higher self says so...)

This confused me a bit.......isn't the outcome of James' research (Earth is controlled by rep overlords, they are the secret societies, they are the NWO, they are the elite, the bloodline, they've interbred with us, etc. ) the same thing that David Icke is also saying?  So if they're both saying the same thing, then why would James be okay, but David isn't?

Well, this is pretty much the same conclusion as before. A mix of intuition and muscle testing. This was the statement I made: "My higher self knows that James Bartley is trustworthy." The response was yes. I then inserted various other names for testing purposes. I'm just trying to figure out who to trust!!  So, my own hubby's name came out with a Yes response, but pulled through. Which doesn't make me feel all fuzzy inside, if ya know what I mean.  Well, David's name also produced a pulled through response (basically, that means neither 'yes' nor 'no'). And I just intuited that he is trustworthy but he has been corrupted. When I tested that, it came up postive that he has been corrupted.  To tell you the truth, I haven't even read one of Icke's books!!  I've read so many different opinions on that man that I just wasn't sure if it was worth the paper and ink!! I'm sure I'll eventually pick up one of his books, but I just don't know which ones are the most truthful.  I actually only tested his trustworthiness because I've heard so much about him.  Do you have any recommendations for which Icke book to start with?

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zenden------I'm right there with ya, hon.  Where's that damn bar? I really need a drink...

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Seeking the Truth wrote:

I've only read a small amount of the info available about the reps and dracs, but I came across material that connected the reptilians to pteradactyls (sp?) and the phoenix, besides the obvious snake connection.  Flying men with wings, and such.   

All in all, from what research I've done, it just makes perfect sense.  The ancienct one(s) is/are rising.  It was just a click type thing....And to answer the question, "What are they doing?".  Well, I think the obvious answer is, they're taking back what they perceive as rightfully theirs.

Okay, gotcha....


Seeking the Truth wrote:

The muscle test response to "My higher self knows that reptilians are extraterrestrial" was a yes, pulled through.

Yeah, from what I gather, when others have dowsed or asked higher sources about whether the reps are extraterrestrial the answer comes up as "No" because the Reps consider themselves the rightful inhabitants of this planet.  They supposedly were here first or something, and like you already noted, their genes are supposedly mixed up with ours.   


Seeking the Truth wrote:

Well, David's name also produced a pulled through response (basically, that means neither 'yes' nor 'no'). And I just intuited that he is trustworthy but he has been corrupted. When I tested that, it came up postive that he has been corrupted.

That's interesting.  If I had to take a guess, I think part of where the corruption lies is not his intent but rather some of the sources he's put faith into.   He's taken the supposed eyewitness accounts of some dubious sources over the years and just ran with what they had to say.  He's excitable, and doesn't like to wait when he's fed juicy tidbits and insights, and feels this need to immediately run out and scream what he's been told from the rooftops....before making sure it may be accurate.  (Thinking of Arizona Wilder, and some other people he's quoted over the years who've made claims about witnessing the royal family literally shapeshifting into 7+ foot tall reptoids.)  He also seems to be taken in by Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips.  While I believe that Cathy is who she says she is, as noted elsewhere on NR I don't trust Mark Phillips.  Have read enough people's disillusioned experiences in dealing with him to put up the warning flags for me when it comes to his stuff.  So for me I think the corruption with David Icke may lie in the people he surrounds himself with in life and the people he's put faith and trust in, who in turn have influenced aspects of his books and work in general.  But I've always felt that his intent was genuine and he means well. 


Seeking the Truth wrote:

To tell you the truth, I haven't even read one of Icke's books!!  I've read so many different opinions on that man that I just wasn't sure if it was worth the paper and ink!! I'm sure I'll eventually pick up one of his books, but I just don't know which ones are the most truthful.....Do you have any recommendations for which Icke book to start with?

They all have lots of truth, in my opinion.  I don't any of them stand apart as not being as truthful as the rest.   Repetitive maybe........but not less truthful.  big_smile   See, that's the thing about many of Icke's books, they tend to repeat themselves.   Any Icke reader can attest to that. It's like the first parts of most all of his books rehash the whole bit about who and what the Illuminati are and what they're doing, in case somebody hasn't read his previous books they can play catch up.  But it gets tedious after awhile. 

As far as recommendations go, a shorter book of his that's really good in my opinion and wouldn't take you long to get through would be "I Am Me, I Am Free - The Robot's Guide to Freedom."   It's not all manic info overload like some of his works that come after, and it's David Icke at his best, imo.   Down to earth sense of humor, extremely personable, and a mix of both conspiracy/Illuminati with metaphysics and spirituality and inspiring motivational words to empower the reader.   It's a nice mix all around and again, short enough that you'd have no trouble getting through it.  So, that would be my top recommendation if you're looking for a good intro into his stuff.  After that, "Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion," which is his most recent book.   He cuts out all the repetitive conspiracy/illuminati stuff at the beginning like he does in all his other books and cuts right to the spiritual/metaphysics stuff.  His theory about the Reps and our matrix reality and humanity's situation as a whole is refined in this book.  It's good stuff from what I've read.  So you might like that one too, it seems like it would be on par with your current research....

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Re: Mary Summer Rain and "Phoenix Rising"

A quick point of trivia: an image of a Phoenix was witnessed during UFO abductions by two separate abductees who have written about their experiences.  The first was Betty Andreasson in Fowler's The Andreasson Affair, and more recently Jim Sparks in his The Keepers: An Alien Message For the Human Race.  Sparks wrote that one of the abducting aliens froze completely still when an image of the phoenix was shown aboard the craft, and Sparks got the distinct impression that it was a pose of respect analagous to when we play the national anthem or salute the flag. 

That's pretty interesting, considering the phoenix symbol has been used by human occult societies for centuries.  It reminds me of this quote which has been attributed to Giuseppe Mazzini of the Italian P2 Lodge, though I'm not sure whether it's authentic or not:

"We form an association of brothers in all points of the globe... Yet there is one that is unseen that can hardly be felt, yet it weighs on us. Whence comes it? Where is it? No one knows, or at least no one tells. This association is secret to even us, the veterans of the Secret Societies."

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Thanks for the information, Lyra.  I have access to all of Icke's books (downloads). As I was perusing them a few days ago, I saw the 2 that you mentioned and was kind of drawn to them, so that's strange that they are the two you recommend!  I love synchs. smile

Morningsun-----thanks for that bit of knowledge. It fits right in here.

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Late last night, I was pondering on this subject again.  I'm thinking it goes deeper than this.  I do believe that the ancient ones are draconian-reptilian.  And I do think that perhaps No-eyes thought she was seeing a phoenix.  But after reading something yesterday, another possibility came into my head.  No-eyes said that the phoenix wasn't causing all of the destruction.  Maybe she's right....

Think about this:  The 'phoenix' may be rising because of the underground nuclear detonations.  That would make No-eyes' statement basically true. The ancient ones are rising because they live underground and are being disturbed. It started back in what? 1947 or something?  Maybe if those experiments never happened, the 'phoenix' wouldn't be rising? 

When I tested some statements, they basically confirm this, although I get a few pulled through answers, so I must refine.  The problem being that my higher self knows that some of the words we use are not actually correct terms.  Like draconian being the ancient ones...that pulled thru until I added reptilian at the end of the term. That is still not 100% accurate, but it must be as close as my vocabulary gets. [It depends on your level of awareness, also, as to what your answers are.  Like, if you're not aware that humans have been modified, when you make a statement with the word 'human' in it, you'll probably get a good yes or no answer. But if your higher self knows, or if you're aware enough, then the same statement would produce a pulled through answer--as has happened to me--because humans aren't really humans.  At least that's not what others call us. That's just what we've been named. By who, I don't know...]

Now, I can't say that the ancient ones didn't have anything to do with the detonations....That's still up in the air. If they planned it this way, then maybe they are the ones who gave humans the technology to start fiddling with the nukes.  If so, then they probably knew that we would start setting them off underground, which would give them the perfect excuse to rise to the surface and take over what was theirs in the first place (or that they tried to take over and failed, and were banished to the insides of Earth--or lower dimensions...many possibilities here).

Man, I don't know for sure, but I do know that it's all connnected. The Phoenix is not a bird.  But whatever it is, it definetely is rising.

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I keep forgetting to get back here and post about this.  I recently read The book of One Ra series. I haven't gotten past the first one.  But something in it made me think of this thread and MSRs book.  I believe it was the Ra material.  I've read so much that it's hard to keep all the material straight. I just know I read it at the same time as reading Stuie's book, God's Gladiators, and a couple other things. But I'm pretty sure it was Ra.

Anyways, at one point, Ra is explaining how the different densities have different colors. I believe they said that 3rd density is yellow.  And then they said 4th density is green.

Soooooo...... Could this be what No-Eyes is referring to when she talks about the sky turning green?  Is it a dimension shift that she sees, or is it nuclear war, or just chemtrails?  Hmmmm.  I thought at first that she was speaking of nukes or chemicals, but then when I read about the different colors of densities, it got me wondering.....

Any ideas?