Sabian Symbols oracle (Page 2 of 4)

I don't know but you could check out the book 'The Holographic Universe' by Michael Talbot. I have it on my shelf but I haven't read it yet.

Sinaptix...thanks for reminding me, but something I didn't expand on enough is that in Lynda's Sabian Symbols book there is a birth chart in the back of the book where you look up your month/date of birth, and it gives you three corresponding Sabian symbols cards that correlate.  Archetypes that may define or shape us, as you're talking about.   I don't remember what you're birthday is, other than that you're a Leo, I think, (remember how we were all playing around with the Astro.com birthcharts in the NR chat room last summer?  )  but to use mine as an example, here's what it says.  For November 9th people, not born on a leap year, the corresponding Sabian oracles are Scorpio 16, 17 and 18. 

In reading all three, only one of them REALLY stood out for me as being uncannily accurate.  That was Scorpio 17.  (it's funny too, because I used to consider 17 to be one of my numbers years ago;  i used to have an email address with 17 in the user name.  how's that for odd!)

So Scorpio 17 says, (and highlighting the parts that are extremely relevant to how my particular life has gone:

A woman, filled with her own spirit, is the father of her own child.

Oracle:  This situation may reveal the sense or the reality that you need to be totally self-sufficient at the moment, regardless of those around you and their input into your life.   Alternatively, there can be the feeling of having been "left with the baby."  It can indicate single parenthood or bringing up the young without outside help.  This Symbol can indicate the loss of the males in one's life, such as the husband or father.  However, it can also indicate the feeling that one's life is full enough as it is and the path ahead doesn't seem to include the desire or the need to have children.  Be wary of isolationist and prohibitive emotions, though.  Is there a situation here where others are not being invited to share or be included in your life?  How are you coping iwht the more complicated tasks and chores that you have to get on with in life?   Try to remember to include others respectfully, however.   Although we are all blessed with our own unique and individual qualities, it is often the combination of ourselves with others that helps to create greater balance and depth in life.   

Keywords:   Single parenthood.   Being proud of one's individuality.  Feeling capable of anything. Spiritual experiences that fill one with one's own spirit.  Self reliance.   The lack of a father figure. In vitro fertilization.  The complications of adoption. Self-sufficiency.

The Caution:   Uncompromising feminism or chauvinism.  Feeling like one has to be responsible for everything.  Unrealistic independence.   Being left alone and abandoned.   Having no one to turn to for support.   Being an adult before one's time.

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If "The Caution" doesn't summarize my life than I don't know what does.    My own (crazy) mom even admitted to me years after the fact "You were thrown to the wolves!"  Helping to raise my little brother, getting kicked out while still in high school, etc. and so on.  How my favorite phrase by the time I was 19 was, "It's just me myself and me in this world, you can't rely on anybody."   But to clarify - I did have my dad in my life until I was 16, and he was very much there, taking care of the family.  (which is why I turned out okay in life.)   It was only after that that he was gone, out of the picture, and from that point forward he wasn't able to be the dad that I needed, unfortunately.  I really wanted a dad in my life at that point, but it wasn't possible with him being 3,000 miles away and all.  Not his fault, it's just how life went.  Then later losing my brother, fulfills the whole "losing the males in one's life" aspect of it all. 

And also how I've decided not to have kids myself.  Another part of it that was uncannily accurate!  (I knew when I was a kid though that I wouldn't be having kids.)   Also I've always been a very "do it myself" independent type.  I've had to learn how to ask for help from others versus just trying to do it all myself.  So more accuracies.

But the way that the birth cards are supposed to show possible archetypes of our life paths is very interesting and ties into what you were saying Sinaptix.  If you want, remind me what your birth month/day is and I'll look it up in the book for you.  (or email me if you don't want it on the forum.  carissaconti@yahoo.com)

Hi sinaptix

Yes, the chart is extremely revealing when viewed through the lens of the Sabian Symbols. I have many, many examples that are really mind blowing. One that I feel compelled to share is my own Sun degree of Scorpio 29: An Indian Woman Pleading to the Chief For the Lives of Her Children. Although rather personal, I feel that I can mention that I had problems in my marriage with the way my husband treated the kids, particularly my son. I would ask and ask that he be more reasonable with our son. It was a major bug bear in our relationship. I'm now divorced and in a de facto relationship with a man who's in a custody battle with his ex. There's family law court proceedings and all kinds of legal issues, a theme which is very much reflected in the degree of my Sun.

That's a rather banal example.... a good one is Princess Diana's North Node (said to be a point of destiny). Her North Node degree is Leo 29: A Mermaid Has Climbed to the Rocky Shore of a Bleak Coast; She Awaits the Prince Who Will Bring Her Immortality. Quite apt, I would say! Not only did she 'await the prince', she is rather an 'immortal' figure, also, she was photographed again and again and again in her swimming costume, or on a boat or by a pool or in the water at the beach. The day she and Prince Charles were married, Mercury was on Cancer 24: A Woman and Two Men Cast Away on a Small Island - now, this degree can obviously be read A Man and Two Women - it doesn't matter the specifics, it talks about relationship triangles. Charles was said to be wearing cufflinks with CC engraved on them that day... I think from memory that was Camilla and Charles or something to that effect. Camilla Parker Bowles was married, so there's the Two Woman and a Man and the Two Men and a Woman - she and Charles were having an affair the entire time and Cancer 24 is the degree of Camilla's Sun...

Diana's son William has the Moon in Cancer on Cancer 5: A Car Wrecked at a Railroad Crossing... the Moon in a chart often tells of the mother - how apt that this was her fate (by the way, one does not have to be in an accident for this degree to work!!)

In terms of the Symbols being Oracular, that degree you mentioned, The Gate to the Garden of All Fulfilled Desire came up for me again last night. I was at a friend's place (who by the way, I don't visit all that often any more) and last night another friend was also there who was present at a dinner party at Kaye's years ago where we had a funny occurence around the Symbol of The Gate to the Garden of All Fulfilled Desires that you mentioned (Aries 22).  I sat at the table while they were talking and remembered an incidence that I wrote about years ago... I really concentrated on that degree...

The following is an excerpt from a story that's in my book on the Symbols: 360 Degrees of Wisdom: Charting Your Destiny With the Sabian Oracle (published by Penguin NY)

Another time was during a dinner party I attended with three couples and my girlfriend, Kaye. During most of the meal, everyone talked about how wonderful it was to live where we do, in Avalon, Sydney, Australia. Such a lovely place with life being free and easy. We discussed how real estate prices had shot through the roof and that it was rather difficult for people to get a home of their own there if they didn’t have much money. After we’d eaten, Kaye suggested that I show our friends how to use the Sabian Symbol book and cards. After explaining how to pick a red card and a blue card, one person pulled Aries 22: The Gate to the Garden of All Fulfilled Desires. I enquired whether they’d asked a question and the reply was that they hadn’t. I explained that the Symbols were saying that they were indeed lucky and had a gracious life. Sometimes we just need to be reminded of the joys we experience in life in order to truly be able to enter through ‘The Gate’ to a state of happiness and acceptance of the good things. The cards were put down and we talked about other things.

A while later, another person picked up the cards and rather absent-mindedly shuffled them. She said she wanted to try the cards. I explained again how to use them. Take a red one and a blue one… she pulled Aries 22: The Gate to the Garden of All Fulfilled Desires. I was rather amused that the same degree (out of 360 possibilities) had been pulled, but I had seen it happen before. I asked if she held a question in her mind. Just as the person who’d picked the cards before her, she said “no”. I said that these types of things often happen with the Sabian Symbols. It’s as if they are trying to get our attention. I examined the Aries card and the card for 22. I wondered if there was something that made those two cards stand out in some way, like a slight bend in them, making them most easily picked. There was nothing outstanding about the two cards. We went on further to discuss how lucky we were in terms of the state of the rest of the world.

Again, the conversation turned to other matters. Some time later, another person picked up the cards and shuffled them, this time for a long period of time. We’d consumed considerable amounts of wine by that time and I was aware that the person shuffling the cards wasn’t really being very serious about concentrating on an issue as he was talking about something as he handled the cards. Almost automatically, he pulled a red card and a blue one. By now you may have got the drift: he also pulled Aries 22. This was truly astounding and I can’t begin to know how to calculate the odds against such a thing happening out of 360 possibilities. The chances of the same Symbol being pulled three times in a row are very slim indeed.

Further, this story is also a good example of what can happen when an in depth answer to situations would have been inappropriate. None of the people who dealt the cards wanted any deep and meaningful advice that evening; it was more of a social night.

Wow, pretty amazing. I don't wanna get specific (too personal), but it told me EXACTLY what I wanted to hear. I hope it's right.

Hey Zejith_Themis, welcome back!

Well, here's an oracle reading I got yesterday which I posted over on the Ron Paul thread.  But figured I should post it here too for those who aren't reading that thread.  Lately I've been wondering what we're supposed to DO about the corrupt system that's in place, how do we fight back, how do we get rid of it.  I was feeling frustrated about all the programmed drones who don't see what the rest of us see, and the way TPTB have everything on lockdown, including the media, in order to perpetuate their version of reality and keep things going the way they are.  Iraq, the impending Iran invasion, the Patriot Act controls, etc. and so on.  I did an oracle reading leaving things open, asking to get a symbol that pertained to something I needed to hear.  All the thoughts I'd been having were not even consciously on my mind as I did this reading either, which is amazing.  But here's the reading I got:
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Taurus 17 – A Symbolical Battle Between "Swords," the Disciples of Might, and "Torches," the Disciples of Enlightenment. 

Commentary:  "A Symbolical Battle" is pictured here, between the "Swords and Torches."  The "Swords" are pictured to be "the Disciples of Might" and the "Torches," the "Disciples of Enlightenment."  The "Swords" show weapons and strong-arm tactics, whereas the “Torches” are instruments that bring truth and light.  Arguments over ideals can easily lead to "Battles" and war.  This suggests a split between using power and strength and using reason and intelligence.

Oracle: ....The endeavor to bring "Enlightenment" to people often meets with resistance, particularly when this “Enlightenment” will disrupt the usual process of things.   One can see this in places where the media has a stranglehold on information. In some instances it is for political agendas and in others it is for commercial reasons, but the effect is the same:  to achieve or to maintain a particular agenda by persuasive force.   "Battles" are only truly worth fighting when the ideals behind them are clearly believe din or understood.  To do this t is often important to pause and reassess why you are doing what you are doing….

Keywords:  The battle of "might vs. light." The Spear of Destiny.  Spiritual differences.  Arguments. The story of Hitler.  The Inquisition.  The Crusades.  Bringing love and light to war zones. The pen being mightier than the sword.  Peace marches, candles, torches.  Weapons.  The might of the media.

Caution: Controlling those around with rational or brute force rather than with inner enlightenment or knowledge.   People arguing over ideals.  Forcing opinions on each other.  Religious conflicts.  War rallies.  Propaganda.
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Once again, the accuracy of these readings can be scary!

After considering this oracle reading and later going through in my mind all possible physical confrontation responses  that the public could do to rebel against the system, my end conclusion was that there has to be a spiritual way out.  It was like the end scene of the movie "War Games" where the computer runs through all the global thermo nuclear war simulations to figure out which strategy will win, and then realizes that none will.  You can't fight fire with fire, it just leads to more fire.  So there has to be another way.   "The pen is mightier than the sword....."  The funny part is, we were talking about it all on this end and we had to admit that oddly enough, these things that are affecting the rest of the planet are not actually directly impacting our lives, here.  We're not seeing any backlash from them.  They are the dramas that affect other people in their realms around the planet, stuff that I happen to get frustrated reading about.  It doesn't mean it will never spill over into our lives, but so far, as of 2007, it hasn't.  Which leads to a whole other train of thought, regarding realm splits, and people experiencing what they need to, etc., concepts I've gone back and forth about for several years, wondering if they had validity.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see.....

Hello all,

I learned about the Sabian symbols here and got my own copy of the book and cards. Very interesting stuff--I'm still exploring them, but you're right, it's uncanny how right on this oracle is.

I think many of us are feeling that the time is now or very near to take a stand, make a move. As Lyra said, we need to find a new way to do this without using the old tools of control that the current system uses, because that will only lead to more violence and suffering. As Zejith_Themis said, the better way is to find answers in one's own creativity.

Each of us has a unique voice and singular way of looking at things. This is a gift. And I believe this is where we start. We use what we have. We speak our minds, write books, paint, dance, make music--raise our voices--so that others will realize they can do the same. This is how we help each other wake up.

Maybe this seems too passive or time-consuming, but like I said, it's a start. We start where we are. We give what we have, and those who need it will receive it.

And the more of us who know things aren't as they seem, the harder it will be for the illusion to stay in place...;)