what convinced you of the matrix? (Page 1 of 2)

Personal experiences, along the lines of what you described: 

Seeing entities from other realms, coming into physical contact with them/tangling with them;  things happening in such a way as to defy coincidence, (again like what you noted) Abduction stuff, monitoring, etc.  Just personal experience, which I documented on my own website, won't get into it all here.  But there comes a point where you have to make a choice about whether you're going to believe what your experiences are showing you or look the other way.  I chose to believe my experiences and then ran with it.  ;)

However, beings that harvest negative energy and engineering events in our lives is only one component of the "matrix."  The more obvious aspects of it are the world you see around you.   Which leads to this comment:

All you have to do is look around you, at the way this reality is set up.   The way this world wants you to live your life.  The things that this society values.  The way the media is.   It's just like what Morpheus says in the movie "The Matrix." "I know *exactly* what you mean.  Let me tell you why you're here.  You're here because you know something.  What you know you can't explain, but you feel it.  You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world.  You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad."

The world around us with its value system and the way it operates is insane, to put it mildly.  It makes no sense.  It's masterfully orchestrated dream logic on autopilot.   That in itself is the biggest indicator of an "invisible" matrix.  It's right out in the open, in front of us, but because we've been raised from birth with it, most don't question it.   To quote Christoff, "the man behind the curtain" in another matrix movie, "The Truman Show":   "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented."  That's an understatement. !

But it does nag at some, something feels off, wrong, and the older that some get, the more they notice, the more issues they have with it, as noted by Morpheus.   I talked about one aspect of matrix nonsense in the thread I started called "Books."  See also the thread about "Resist the Click" and the one about the hot dog eating contest in the "Current Events" section for more matrix insanity around us.  And those threads just scrape the surface of one aspect of the matrix, the media madness.  Other aspects include the way our school system operates, money, credit, useless job, politics, wars, consumerism/materialism, etc.

I'll say this:  I first read David Icke's book "The Biggest Secret" back in 2001. He gets into stuff like the repeating "illuminati" symbolism that's all around us in corporate logos and signs and what have you, (among a billion other things) and when I was done reading that book I couldn't believe that I'd never noticed any of that in my then 26-27 years.  !!  I was seriously like, How did I not NOTICE this?!?!?    All these companies are using the same symbols, and these symbols are often occult in nature.   What the hell?  I've been asleep my whole life!!!

And corporate symbols is just a fraction of it all.  If people, including myself didn't even notice something small like that, then how much else are people missing?  How easy is it to openly "hide" an orchestrated matrix reality from the public?  Rhetorical question.  It's not hard at all.   Then if you start finding yourself tangling with entities from other realms, getting abducted, witnessing reality doing things it shouldn't be doing, etc., like I and others have experienced, it becomes impossible to deny that there's more going on here.

But they desperately want you and me and everybody else to believe the mainstream version of reality that they feed us.  And I do mean desperately.  The mainstream world has become so manic and in your face, amped up and nonsensical and growing worse by the year that it automatically begs to be scrutinized.  It gives itself away.

Lyra and Feedbaxlow, thank you for your replies, two different perspectives both appreciated!   

Lyra, one question really jumped to mind as you mentioned not only the movie The Matrix but also The Truman Show is this - why if this system exists would they allow such movies to ever be made?   Both movies were seen by huge audiences and had to have had great influence.    And yes, if I had had your experiences I probably would have no questions whatsoever about what was going on.   Have you found an effective way to defend yourself?   Is there a way?  And where is your website btw?

Feedbaxlow, I would wish that there were nothing to it all as well, of course, it is a ghastly vision of what our reality is.   Have you ever had any experiences like what I described in my examples?  How did you explain those things to yourself?    I can see your point about getting too literal with the movie though it provides an excellent way to talk about all these things.

I think Lyras original post summed it up very well.
Also remember, why now, why at this time, why are so many people "waking up" all over the world?
There are outside influences also at work, what, how or who they are I have no idea, I only know from life-experiences that they are partly/mostly responsible for my personal awakening.

It is only my personal feeling but it may be very hard for them to interact with us, to be allowed through to us.

Of-course as the "feeling" opens up more possibilities and presumably shows me the world as it truely is, showing me how naive,conned, easily fooled and asleep I was, I remain cynical of even those who are apparently aiding us in our awakenings until they show their intent to be for the good of all, althought I do give them the benefit of the doubt.

Also, be aware that attacks, you will recognise these if they occur, may be immenent but all you have to do is hold on and ride them out.

I recently experiences one of these, complete with ear-ringing just before the deluge of negative energy over-took me and was released through hard crying.

The result of this horrible experience was a better me and helped me leave a part of my life behind that needed to be left behind.

Love is the best defence in my case, I just "feel" Love for all and allow this to flow.
Many here use along with this, herbal remedies ,clean living and forms of meditation.

I always question. I'm sure Lyra does too but I  cannot speak for her.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio … smyth3.htm

George Carlin was a catalyst:P
http://carlin.ytmnd.com/

His commentary along with my own thinking on how our world works and the insanity attached to it.

"Every time you are exposed to advertising you realize once again, that America's leading industry, America's most profitable business Is still the manufacture, packaging, distribution and marketing of BULLSHIT."

Firstly 99% of the population just see them as movies and do not recognise any hidden message, even if it is explained to them they will still think of it as just some movie. The way I think of it is its all just a game, a kind of test that you pass or fail, the rules of the game are that they have to give you clues, the clues are all around you, in movies, books, the Bible, Koran even corporate logos as lyra says. Its as if they are trying their best to tell you, but still most people are totally oblivious, caught up in their day to day routines. The good part is I think their is some sort of reward, something better if you pass the test and figure it all out.

The one thing that really convinced me was that I knew about the London 7/7 bombings about 3 months before, the clue was in a movie poster.

Most people never get that far, you have to be at the point where you know there is something wrong before you are offered the choice of red or blue.

Hi, I'm new to this forum as well.   Hopefully, this is a good spot to ask this question, because I'm a little confused.  I can get the idea of questioning everything, that makes sense to me, to kind of back up my experiences with some kind of standards to check with myself did this really happen, how can I prove to myself it's just not my imagination. 

Lyra, maybe you have some insight on this, or anybody else for that matter. Somewhere I remember you, Lyra,  recommending the author of Taken's book, Karla and her books, as a resource.  My confusion lies in that I've read over and over about free will, that we have free will, and if I can figure out how to cut and paste, I would take the exact quote above  and put it in the box thingy:
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"4.  And this may be the biggest reason of all - it seems that the way this reality works is that the Negs can't just directly invade us and our realities and completely just take us over and dominate us.  We do have freewill, which means, they need to announce what they're going to do to us before they do it, this way, if we ignore it they can't be held accountable.  They fulfilled their end of the bargain."[/center]
I think one of the people in Karla's book, Ted, was it?  seemed like he was saying, no he did not want to be a part of the experience, and stuff was happening against his will.  I've had stuff happen that seemed to be against my will, but was it really?  Looking back now on experiences that were seemingly out of my control, my naivete, my lack of experience and knowledge and my lack of creativity to challenge myself to think that there are more choices than I thought I had at the time contributed to some very painful moments.

Sooooo, is there really freewill?  Because of this thread and the question posed "What convinced you?"  I'm even more aware that there is "stuff" out there.  Hmm,  some eye openers for me, was looking back and documenting certain events that I could not explain away.  For instance, I was an adult before I figured out not everyone could see those shiny things around people (auras), coming to conciousness after a near fatal car accident, looking down on my body, my daughter, and the top of the head of the paramedic and thinking, is this what being dead is like, it's not so scary, and hearing someone talking then whooshing back into my body and looking up at the paramedic and turning my head towards my daughter.  Accidentally remote viewing people, figuring out I usually get what I really really wanted and what I really really didn't want, finding the weird marks on my body, and finally (thanks Lyra for that idea) paying attention that there may be more to it that requires documentation.  Also just paying attention to my environment, and questioning, challenging, asking better questions of myself. 

I've also done some incredibly stupid things to see what would happen.  Not on purpose, not that I deliberately went out of my way to see the consequences of my actions, but I did evaluate my actions afterwards, and went oh.  Then after reading Lyra's website, and book, and some of the thought provoking threads and reevaluating certain experiences, I became more aware of the idea that more stuff is going on than I ever imagined.  I've also been interested in Quantum Physics and Mechanics, so if string theory is correct and there is more than 1 dimension, why can't dimensions bleed so to speak into each other.  Another thing that convinced me that there is a "matrix" or stuff out there.  I asked for help from someone out west to stop some of the more painful stuff that was going on, and it stopped, like magic.  The stuff that didn't stop are the ear ringing, clicks, and whumps while at my house, but those noises stop when I leave the house or go out of town.  The phone clicks stopped, the phone ringing stopped, the shadows that would pop up now and again, (although really, that could be explained by brain injury except that it stopped)  the really weird stuff that made me think and the only way to describe it is being singled out and picked on like in junior high.  But the events were extreme and totally weird, including some that Lyra described on her website and in her book.  And like that, with a snap of the fingers those "nonsense" things or stuff, stopped.

I'm convinced that there is something going on, that I have a responsibility to enjoy the experience of trying to "stalk my thoughts" as it were and I quote "You cannot afford the luxury of a negative thought".  Another thing that I think I have to take responsibility for is having a goal to experience peace in my life.  The idea that peace and love have ripple effects, perhaps like you VajRa described, a "backwards ripple effect".  Not that I succeed, but hopefully the journey makes it worthwhile.

And that brings me back to free will.  I intended that the bad stuff or nonsense stuff as I like to call it that creates fodder for loosh to go away, but it didn't until I got help from someone else.

And I apologize if I didn't make myself clear, or if my communication wasn't what I intended.  A side effect of brain trauma is my communications skills aren't what I'd like them to  be.  What I intended to say, doesn't always match what comes out of my mouth, or fingertips.

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ideascubed, I don't know if you feel comfortable sharing this - but what exactly did your west coast ally do?  who were they?   what were their methods?   And your communication is totally clear!

lyra, I guess what I was putting out there was whether the backward reality ripples account for all of these precursor signs.    How do you tell the difference between intentionally placed signs and ripple signs sense you think there can be both?    And humans, not aliens, were the ones involved - omg!   And yet that is plausible.   Again I hope this doesn't sound fake or patronizing in any way, but I genuinely wish you well and hope for your safety.    And that goes for everybody affected by these things, including me if stuff is happening that I simply don't remember!