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Re: Stuart Wilde

Hi feedbaxlow,

I liked reading your thread and i agree with some of it.  Just one small request from you?

You wrote   "Nexus postulates" [by mistake] and then you quoted khatru's postulate mistaking it for mine.  Could you edit khatru's name where mine is?

Many thanks.

To take up a couple of your points... feedbaxlow...    You wrote : "there is no attainment". 

I believe there is "attainment" .  But i believe we are both right.  You went on to explain that "you can't become the buddha but you can realise it here and now."  True.   But  "Attainment" is a word that has been used appropriately in the literature in relation to Christhood and Buddhahood.  It's all about MANIFESTING Higher Selfhood in the material planes. [as i can see  you agree].  Yes we already are Christ and Buddha at inner levels but to manifest that higher Selfhood is to "attain" CONSCIOUS realisation of IT in material planes.  That conscious realisation is attained by degrees and so it has been called the 'path of attainment'.

I think the word "attainment" is used in the same way as one would attain/ manifest anything.  It must already exist in the mind first.   Anyway you did explain yourself well and i'm just presenting a rationale for why some of the past literature uses the word attainment.  That rationale for using the word is essentially the same as yours for not using it.  Life's like that sometimes.   I just worry that sometimes for some people, good spiritual teachings can be too easily rejected if one has rigid views on a particular word without understanding the rationale behind it's use.  Not that you don't understand mine or me yours.

Also, you state that "what is" is absolutely perfect.  Unless i misunderstand your use of the word "perfect", i think i have to "dissagree" with that.   Maybe it's just the words again.  Somewhere in the old testament God says :

"My eyes are too too pure to behold iniquity."  [Yes the inner God is found in SOME parts of the old testament and the eyes of course are metaphorical]

The Highest level of Selfhood [God] is active in Spiritual Realms and places no attention on ego imperfection in material realms. [although God is immanent at the heart of matter.]

Also, to put it slightly differently,  i understand that Higher Selfhood is vibrationally above the conflicts of the lower [vibrational] aspects of self.  But the Christ consciousness is a projection of Higher Selfhood [into materiality] which acts as mediator between the perfect Highest Self and the soul trapped in the entanglements of the imperfect lower ego.  In order to separate the [perfect] real from the [imperfect] unreal,  that spiritual 'mediator' must see and know the difference.  That is how the inner spirit acts in order to accomplish the activity of transmuting the lower aspects of self... ie. seeing manifest forms for what they are and literally transmuting them with spiritual fire.

So, in light of all that there really is something to "fix"... unless of course we define "fix" differently.  We probably do and it won't surprise me if your explanations/ definitions are as valid as mine.  That is, your rationale for not using the word are the same as mine for using it.  "Emptiness" is emptying [transmuting] the 4 lower bodies of all vibrations of pseudo- selfhood.  The 'self emptying' process leads one to un- alloyed spiritual purity.  That pure state of spiritual being is a revelation.  As well as revealing spiritual realms, It reveals that there is nothing LEFT [of lower selfhood in material planes] to fix... just the pure soul perfectly reflecting the higher Self into the world of form.

However, during the 'self emptying' process one is in a state of constant flux as integration with the inner Christ is attained by degrees.  Each higher realisation of the inner christ reveals deeper levels of subconscious darkness [negative energy patterns] to percieve and surrender for transmutation.  We must be willing and able to endure that process [of separating the perfect from the imperfect] in order to "attain" ultimate buddhahood in form.

I don't really know if you dissagree in substance but you'll let me know.   

ps.  In the "fire the Grid" thread in 'General Discussion" section i took up khatru's arguments more fully in post No 99.  Our dissagreement had it's application there too.   I suggested to him that his philosophy resembles the 'luciferian' view.  He ended by saying that my philosophy is 'satanic'.    Lovely.

Pss. I will say also [ to khatru and those who gave him the 'high fives] that i didn't use many metaphors myself, except the wafer thin 'metaphors of the soul as a mirror and the body as a temple.  The only other metaphor i used [and explained] was Jesus' own metaphor about the "wineskins".  Other than that my description of my own healing was literal.  The spiritual fire is not a metaphor.

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Lono wrote:
AO wrote:

.l know what hes after, and hes still looking for a particular kind of person that can get information from the 'gap'....he wont find them, they know as l do that there are many out there vieing to get in, but those that travel these hyways and loways can smell a 'ponce'  a fake that didnt make it....l was warned in a trace to stay away from him....so l took the good advice and did....
Stu thinks that theres a library somewhere that contains all the info....enough to make him a very rich man, but not a wealthy one...nor even a healthy one....its a pity really cos the info is in the selected genes of only certain humans and only they can access the 'store'....stuie is not allowed in....

Can you say more about this "library" or "store" and the genes of those who have access?  How do those who have access know about it, and what is the proper way to use the information they find in the library?

Imagination...

l did write here the full story, but l am now told not to tell, tis a personal whisper, and l obey, but Imagination was allowed to remain for you to ponder and wonder...
your welcome, alchemy...

Qua being in the capacity of being

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Quotes, gosh for this Ghostwriter your quotes are thick, yet l agree, play have fun, yet remember also, that ignorance of what is available is simply what has been fed to us for centuries...the more you learn the less you realize you know, its always the same, where there is a saying there will be another in opposition, but in truth, there are no opposites, ceptin that which is inside of your thinkings, thoughts do create things, you write your own story, and if it is full of unrest, then unrest is what you will get...

If it is 'l dont want to know' then that is what you will get....:)

The main point is, do whatever you fancy...and enjoy it all...

A= XYZ

Sucess equals work,play and never reveal your source...

Your letters are your steps, your words are your rails, grip them surely, surely.

But always remember, that it is your emotions of feelings of goodwill that will allow you to take each step for the wholesome of all that we are and will be...

Great post....and if you beleive  it,  then that is what you shall surely have......;)

Qua being in the capacity of being

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Hi Lono,

I might be able to help you a bit there, by telling you what you probably already know. 

You have access to the infinite mind of God.  In fact your highest Self is one with [and is a perfect replica of] the ALL God.   God has stored information in the genes yes... protein replication.  As for the greater "library" or "store" of information,  the Christ Mind [your higher Self] is where you will find any and all information necessary for your overcoming in this life. 

Your spiritual abilities are determined soley by your soul development and not by any physical genie in a bottle including your genes.  It is pure speculation.  I am no stickler for scientific evidence but there is not a shred of evidence for it and all we have are the new age 'channellers' who are creating a new "conventional wisdom" based on nothing but the bandwagon they've created themselves.

The higher Mind is the repository of all knowledge and your access point is within your soul and mind.  Only thing is, to gain access to the Mind of God you must seek the higher will in your life.  The revelations of the higher Mind are not given to those who "do whatever they fancy and enjoy it" as AO put it.  Knowledge is revealed by the wiser higher Self as the soul seeks oneness and a harmony of purpose with that higher Self.

The genes can offer neither the knowledge of the universe, nor the power to access that knowledge.  It is a 'new age' fallacy pure and simple.  The idea probably has something to do with promoting an ET hybrid superdude... a spiritual elite whose superiority can't be questioned.  Don't feel inferior Lono... this idea is a throwback of the eugenics movement and it probably originates from the same place.

200 (edited by lala 2007-07-20 12:51:18)

Re: Stuart Wilde

feedbaxlow,

You were confused, Nexus is the one saying to protect the bodies: physical, mental, etheric and astral, because damage to these can impair spirituality function in terms of growth out of limiting realms and belief systems. I would have to say that I agree with Nexus and AO (about feeling that the SW material is off, somehow) the most of any on this thread, which appears to be the most active on the forum right now, and which I have read from beginning to end.
Khatru says: "We do what we want." S/he (?) seems to think that we have some sort of self-regulating function that will stop us from getting too out-of-control with self-destructive patterns. However, if we had that capacity we would not have addictions in the first place. Saying that when we get too fat, or too bizarre we will automatically switch that behavior off and move on to something else is a psychology/materialist/rationalist way of looking at it. If we could all do that, we would not have addictive, self-destructive behavior in the first place. Addiction (and that includes mental addiciton to belief systems) is like a pernicious dog-do that you just can't scrape off of your shoe. I do believe that this goo can be contracted on the etheric and astral planes and that it is hard to get rid of once gotten. AA was based on spiritual principles, which is why is has worked for many, although the spirituality of groups like AA is very simplistic compared to what people on this forum are into on a theoretical level (which I do appreciate-kudos, the thinking is brilliant, even if I don't always agree with it).
I do not believe that "wanting" is humanity's cheif problem. Wanting and desire are natural parts of our consciousness, it is false wants and desires implanted in our consciousness that are our downfall. If a person is living in miserable poverty, only having enough food and rest to get up every day and do the same thing over again for the remainder of his/her life:That person would want to change their situation. Otherwise why would we bother doing anything past surviving? False desires that are consumptive, exploitive, greedy, cause suffering to others, these I believe can be contracted on the astral/etheric planes and so forth, which is what some have been cautioning of on this thread.
And speaking of... It has been said that SW is "a drinker" and "drinks," that he has mood swings and rages and irrational behavior, but no one has come out and said that he is an alchy. I don't know if he is or not, but I can say that I know for myself that I cannot take wisdom teachings from an alchoholic, my take on it being that they have toxic brain chemistry and I think much of what humanity is trying to heal from is toxic brain chemistry caused by trauma, caused by toxic brain chemistry caused by...  A continuum of the matrix many of us would like to jump off of, if possible. And please, don't anyone give me the "crazy wisdom" b.s. rap, because I have been there, and done that.
When people like SW quote 14th Century Samurai poems and all that. I have to ask myself, does this person have nothing? Do they live homeless and simply? They have no real estate, cars, bank account, publicist? I doubt it. I'd have to say that I no longer take seriously the advice to have and own nothing from people who seem to have a lot. If SW was just a simple guy, living life and living and having nothing, certainly not enough to travel internationally, then no one would pay him the slightest bit of attention. He quotes: "I have no magic secrets, I make character my magic secret." Isn't morphing and all of that and the Redeemers Club his magic secrets that he is selling for profit?


Feedbaxlow, I think you  sum it up well and tell it like it is when you ask:

Why does some brain-damaged story teller gets our attention and praise?
We don't find ourselves... or this... interesting?
We don't know how to look inside here...
this incredible mystery of... keys tapping on the keyboard and the hum of a fan upstairs
rain dripping on the gutter outside and laughter from the next room.
we want fireworks and glory-stories with a grand me in them.

Why? because toxic narcissism knows how to get the media attention and money. Would people follow and admire the life of  a simple, kind, hardworking person who lives their spiritual values and elevates themselves that way in a quiet, humble manner? No, that would be boring. That would be a person taking into maturity the beautiful, healthy narcissism of the child to demand that their physical, emotional and spiritual needs be met and living it actively. -lala

don't judge a book by its name

Re: Stuart Wilde

Ha! Good posts AO!
   The alure to SW was that he often explained exactly the same phenomena that was happening to me. The 'dry rain' sort of morph world that I see each time I close my eyes. Visons, Greys knocking at your door, they are not strange experiences to me any longer.
  So I figured that anyone in the game longer than I might have some answers where I just come up blank. But the more I sniff around Stewie, the more I smell a rat.
  I had an image of Stuart as The Wizard of Oz. A cheery sort of Snake Oil dealer doing both harm and good. But at least he points poor Dorthy in the right direction.
  Oh well, I hate Vegas anyway....

Re: Stuart Wilde

Nexus, thanks for your intelligent and passionate response wink
I don't think we disagree in essence.
But with this fragmented ideology in place you will remain frustrated by your goals.
This is not merely an argument of terminology.
You have an extremely intellectualized sense of how awareness works.
However this can be "fixed" if you are learning to listen and live in the now, instead of in your head.
Perhaps you are doing that, but lets try to be very clear, simple and direct.
I see a lot of potential in your logical abilities and raw energy. The latter is rare and may take you directly towards the truth if you are willing to let go of all assumptions and really look into what you are right now.
Go simply and slowly.
Are you going to insist on all this "structure of reality" that you have been conditioned to believe?
To see the living truth is to let go of all belief structures, because you can see with clarity that none of what you thought with the human brain was real or correct. True revelation is just seeing clearly. Freshly.
All the pictures of reality must be dropped to live in the present. Pictures and images impede the ability to perceive directly right now.
In my experience all the metaphysical mumbo jumbo isn't necessary to live in awareness.
What you say may be true, but those ideas aren't necessary to realize Self and are actually in the way of being here fully present.

You see the false by continually looking into "what is" here for you, without dogma, descriptions, explanations or idealizations, until it is absolutely clear for you.
When you are finally "in contact" with what is, all these systems and theories melt into joyous laughter or a silent smile.
Bring the abundance of energy down from your brain by being here in the body as it is right now. Lower body has great energy.
Feel your feet if possible while reading this.
Become unstuck from the head and neck. Feel the seat you are in, the whole thing.
Stillness. the breathing. The body and all it's many energy overlays are all present, become clarified by attending to this miracle simply and silently... way down low where it is energetic, dark and quiet in the lower body. Let the tension fall away.
The mental activity and verbal rationalizations must become quiet, the body it is a circuit that must be rewired by awareness, which can replace thinking and all the previously programmed images.
What is truly here within the body has gone unrecognized all this time because of conceptual activity, memory and belief structure that stands in for the missing awareness.
Most "me" thought and it's structure consists of what you call lower or slower vibrations.
What's here in "your body" is not unreal, impure or a fiction. Get to know it without thought constantly intervening.
Aligning all the bodies happens without your effort to do so. Just look and listen openly.
First you must be comfortable in your physical presence. Get to know it directly until there is no "inner and outer"
In fact the questioning of all that you think you are right now, the suspension of assumptions and the willingness to look innocently will  allow the truth to reveal itself.
When the mind is quiet there is no need to manifest anything or make material anything. It happens of itself.
It is a process that takes patience and intense interest. You seem to have that. That is key and why you have a shot if you do.
All the dualities and conceptual hurdles of a "high or low" self, perfect or imperfect being, and all the other obstructive images are revealed as false thinking, clarity replaces it.
What it is seen then is what always was, but obscured by "ideas of me" and assumptions. conditioned thought.
Ideology must be left behind now that you are close enough to see what you must do. It is weighing you down.
That pride of intellect and knowledge. Realize all that is excess baggage for what you need to do right now.
You don't know. Be honest.
You would not use "duality talk" and "time thinking" if you did.
That's not a problem because you can find out if you are willing to admit you don't know.
You cannot see if you insist that you know. Openness.
Actual being here is not knowing. i am not being tricky, it's that simple, but not easy.
To simplify is not an injunction to shed possessions. Shed the mental baggage and pride. Look into Self like a child at a butterfly.
This world that is yourself is not uncovered by knowing. It's found each moment by looking innocently, without prejudice or artifice. it always new and fresh and all that "knowledge" is not needed once you have a clue.
All the metaphysical information is not the light itself is it? let it go and "real" light comes in.
The fact is, all mental information is not direct seeing, but conditioned thought.
Constructed from man's memory and knowledge.
Information gets you no closer to realization, in fact it obscures the essence that is manifesting right now.

The Buddha taught the path of the middle way between ideals and distancing abstractions... and a belief in materialism or nothingness that leads to self satisfaction and inactivity.
What the Buddha taught was direct seeing and that is the first and last step. 
Don't worry about the rest, it comes of it's own when you are ready.
It becomes plain and obvious.
Your only task is to allow obstructions to fall away.
Be here with what is happening spontaneously.
All the frustrating dualities and "goals of perfection" will evaporate like the morning dew in the sunshine of awareness. 
smile peace, Jay

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Re: Stuart Wilde

feedbaxlow wrote:

I enjoyed the debate of Khatru Vs Nexus.
They both have points and "a feel" of their own
I'd just say the middle way is usually best.
Khatru postulates: "There are no rules" and "We do what we want"
Yes, we do what we WANT. And that's why we create /are stuck in an image of self.

I don't think you're clear on my meaning there, though admittedly I left it open for misinterpretation by cloaking my statements in rant format.
It's simply an observation. No one, no natural law, no book of rules, no dictates from dead prophets, no intervention by gawd-guys or any other power real or imagined, seems to prevent us from doing what we want. Even the sickest and most destructive aspects of our pursuit of novelty are seemly "allowed" by the universe. It's our experience of the energetic balancing triggered by our actions that will convince us of the wisdom or folly of what we do, not preemptive intervention. Sometimes the attracted experience is one of "being stuck in an image of self" (to cite one of an infinite number of examples). Consequences, expected or otherwise do not seem to keep us from utilizing the full measure of free will in the first place.


nexus wrote:

ps.  In the "fire the Grid" thread in 'General Discussion" section i took up khatru's arguments more fully in post No 99.  Our dissagreement had it's application there too.   I suggested to him that his philosophy resembles the 'luciferian' view.  He ended by saying that my philosophy is 'satanic'.    Lovely.

What I said was that satan, if there was such a fellow, would be most happy to have all the lightworkers expend their energy in a quest to leave this realm, taking our awakening spirits, our information and insight, our expanding capacity for compassion and love and ascending with it...taking it to a realm from which we cannot easily affect this one. The lie is that by leaving we will have a positive effect. Even the dream of leaving is a crippling distraction from the awakening process. We can always be out of here. The trick is getting in and remembering where we came from and what we came here for.

Here we are on the inside, and all the other supposed spiritual big shots, including and especially those who are sending advice through channels are not. If it was so easy to take care of whatever business we're taking care of here, we wouldn't have needed to get in and fight through all these waves of resistance to wake up and begin dreaming our eternal selves into this world. That's how we'll change the destructive course and evolve with the planet. Not by re-becoming angels. Been there, done that, it was fun, might do it again sometime. Now it's time to play in the dirt.

lala wrote:

Khatru says: "We do what we want." S/he (?) seems to think that we have some sort of self-regulating function that will stop us from getting too out-of-control with self-destructive patterns. However, if we had that capacity we would not have addictions in the first place. Saying that when we get too fat, or too bizarre we will automatically switch that behavior off and move on to something else is a psychology/materialist/rationalist way of looking at it.

Not automatically, eventually. Think of yourself as an eternal being.

lala wrote:

Feedbaxlow, I think you  sum it up well and tell it like it is when you ask:
"Why does some brain-damaged story teller gets our attention and praise?"

Exactly how does one become qualified to make the diagnosis that SW is "brain damaged"?

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Re: Stuart Wilde

Nice post Khatru.
Your reasonable voice is quite soothing.
The science of attracting things is a little reflexive lately it seems. It seems to slip a bit into dualism. "Me" and "the universe".
All these models we use to describe our experience are only temporary expedients. It's fine but the flexibility available to us gets lost when we forget they are just ways of expressing and not fixed constructions. Even "laws" sounds a bit heavy handed...for the way things work. If we are not separate from the universe than who is attracting what? There the expedient model of of manifesting might work as well or better.
We manifest the lesson needed.

khatru wrote:

Sometimes the attracted experience is one of "being stuck in an image of self" (to cite one of an infinite number of examples).Consequences, expected or otherwise do not seem to keep us from utilizing the full measure of free will in the first place.

i take it that you mean we can't often see ahead of time what the consequences will be.
But i doubt there is much free will manifested on this plane.
More like we are attracting the consequences, as you say, by blindly following our programming.
I don't disagree that free will exists, at least in principle, must be possible. But until there is some seeing and consequent freedom, it is fairly predictable that we will destroy the planet and each other etc.
I'm not sure if this whole setup is "real" or just a holographic representation to learn about this.

Stuie brain damaged?
Like you say, more an observation that a diagnosis. hehe
Poor Stuie. i really meant you'd have to be brain damaged to pay that guy $800. for a 2 day "workshop"
i am not serious, we are all brain damaged to some extent or another.
If he can do this well with what he's got left, than there is hope for us all. smile

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feedbaxlow wrote:

The science of attracting things is a little reflexive lately it seems. It seems to slip a bit into dualism. "Me" and "the universe".
All these models we use to describe our experience are only temporary expedients. It's fine but the flexibility available to us gets lost when we forget they are just ways of expressing and not fixed constructions. Even "laws" sounds a bit heavy handed...for the way things work. If we are not separate from the universe than who is attracting what? There the expedient model of of manifesting might work as well or better.
We manifest the lesson needed.

Interesting. I never think that I might be "separate from the universe". I'm usually more in the "one drop in an ocean of consciousness" camp...and also that consciousness precedes and generates physical reality. I definitely don't align with the Darwinist dogma of consciousness being an evolutionary byproduct of material manifestation.

Yes, I do agree that we manifest the lesson needed. Sometimes over and over again until we're just sick of it, or until it becomes so big and ridiculous that we can't miss it because it's acted out in front of us by every other person we've attracted into our lives.

feedbaxlow wrote:

i take it that you mean we can't often see ahead of time what the consequences will be.
But i doubt there is much free will manifested on this plane.
More like we are attracting the consequences, as you say, by blindly following our programming.
I don't disagree that free will exists, at least in principle, must be possible. But until there is some seeing and consequent freedom, it is fairly predictable that we will destroy the planet and each other etc.
I'm not sure if this whole setup is "real" or just a holographic representation to learn about this.

I think you're you're adding a layer there that adds confusion without adding substance to the model. What's real? Why not all of it? So what if the whole setup is a holographic construction, we're still in it, living as consciousness acting out our dramas, with free will as our impetus. Even the portion of matrix reality that's being held in place by 3rd dimensional OPs might still be operated through the free will of their controllers, or maybe their controller's controllers. 

I don't believe we're going to destroy the planet, because at some level the planet itself and it's keepers will not allow that. It's gotten bad enough though that we've devolved to acquire the capabilities which could allow this, so I do agree that the possibility exists. There are some here who are compelled to understand this process and have intentionally come into this kernel of time to work on neutralizing this possibility.

feedbaxlow wrote:

Stuie brain damaged?
Like you say, more an observation that a diagnosis. hehe
Poor Stuie. i really meant you'd have to be brain damaged to pay that guy $800. for a 2 day "workshop"
i am not serious, we are all brain damaged to some extent or another.
If he can do this well with what he's got left, than there is hope for us all. smile

It's all relative to what money is worth to the individual. For me, I'd have to be getting some pretty potent buzz to justify that cost, and even at that, the price tag seems so STS that it sets off all my snake oil alarms. "hmmm...Stuie, would you mind if I looked through your books? Your expense account deductions seem a little over the top." smile

I'm not buying into any of this stuff that he's whacked on aya, or out of his mind, but something seems up with him that's worth paying attention to, both in a positive and in a negative way. More than likely he's just one more lesson we've collectively manifested.

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Re: Stuart Wilde

Khatru,
Thanks, for the lively response.
It's nice to have a good hashing out session on a few things to clear the air and also to learn what i can.
That definition of consciousness seems to be the Hindu model and the post new age reflex as well.
This is a debate that could go on almost endlessly. Nobody in science  seems to be able to confirm exactly what consciousness is or where it originates. Buddhists sometimes side-step this and just say: "One mind" (not "your mind" or "my mind").
But with Zen comes the injunction to avoid thinking in terms of either mode saying "It is not One and it is not Two" thus avoiding the trap of conceptualizing models altogether.
In other words experience it directly and don't make a model.
Consciousness can used to mean "awareness" as it seems you are, but i have developed or followed a different line.
In this line; consciousness as in "the contents of consciousness", is thinking, memory and all of that.

Awareness is what happens when all that is seen as it is arising and becomes moot or silent rather than running on automatic.

In awareness it is seen that thoughts are just there, conditioned and influenced by "the ten thousand things" and when we stop identifying with them and merely observe them, there is freedom and the reflexive quality of our words and actions can come to rest.
It is only then that freedom can come into play. When we are merely reacting to everything without awareness, we are like robots and can be easily programmed as by "controllers".
So in this way of defining, consciousness is replaced by awareness in waking up and we are no longer controlled.
it also seems that all "matter" (including animals and lifeforms) have consciousness that is closer to awareness.
The space that matter mostly consists of, is not separate from awareness since it's all a form of energy; that simply exists everywhere without distinction or differentiation. In this space; time irrelevant.
Time is thought created.
The brain creates/condenses thought and then suffers time and relative measurements, judgments that create an isolated "me".

I like your integration of "real" being "all of it", but that is really no different than "none of it", since change is the constant.
But deciding whether things are real or intrinsically empty becomes an intellectual exercise.
What is; simply is.
I tend to agree that it seems unlikely we'd be allowed to pollute space and the planet's atmosphere, but that is mere conjecture. We don't actually know. The earth will survive regardless with or without us.
I would just ask if behind these scenarios, is the fear of losing personal or racial continuity so great that we are willing to fantasize or rationalize our way out of this obvious discomfort?
Death is a huge fear within the human psyche. We are programmed to survive and continue to spread our DNA.
As human beings our understanding cannot help but be affected by this fear, so i will suspend any definite conclusion.
I gets interesting right about here smile

Re: Stuart Wilde

khatru wrote:

I'm not buying into any of this stuff that he's whacked on aya, or out of his mind, but something seems up with him that's worth paying attention to, both in a positive and in a negative way. More than likely he's just one more lesson we've collectively manifested.

Drinking Aya doesn't make one a saint any more than it makes one a raving lunatic. Think of it as both a temporary distortion filter as well as an amplifier. Whatever's deep inside, positive or negative will be amplified. It's what sticks in the long run that counts.

From a personal perspective I can tell you that two years ago I went to the Heart of the Initiate Ayahusca retreat in Brazil for the sole purpose of meeting the person who wrote and recorded the life inspiring books and CD's, that helped me considerably during a very low point in my life, the great teacher Stuart Wilde. I imagined that I would meet the great metaphysical teacher we all hear in the CD's, and that we would have interesting conversations about the nature of the universe, the morph and all that jazz. I was very disappointed that person I initially encountered was quite the opposite, dark, black and mean. He had a group of participants at his feet and was going off on just about anything and anyone you can imagine, especially the Jews, catholics and the Pope, Buddhists and the Dalai Lama, even Mother Theresa.

  My first impression was something like, "This  paranoid asshole is the person who wrote all those cool books?" I did my best to keep a safe distance from Mr. Wilde during the remainder of the week, but still remained  within listening distance just in case something profound or important was said by the metaphysical master.

  We then had our first Ayahuasca ceremony, and under the influence of Ayahuasca things were very different. Stu was the most genuine, warm and sincere teacher  I had ever met.   He was the person from the books and CDs.  I really thought, at least under the influence of ayahuasca, that Stuart Wilde was the coolest guy in the world, our teacher, my mentor.  He was my hero. I distinctly remember how soft his hands were.

  By the next morning  the effects of the ayahuasca had worn off to say the least.   We were all back to our normal selves,  and Stuart Wilde was no longer Mr. Nice Guy.  Over the remainder of the week, the next two ceremonies and after effects were pretty much the same,  Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

   Two years later I have to admit that and still perplexed by  my strange encounter with Mr. Wilde.  Was it my perception that changed or did he change or was it a little bit of both?  I suppose I'll never know.

  Mr. Wilde did teach me  a few things that week.  Don't put anyone up on a pedestal. Don't hang your hat on any one teacher, idea or concept, and everyone is fallible.  We are all a little good and a little bad.  That's what makes us human.   So, I guess I got my moneys worth for my trip to Brazil.

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ENT Doc wrote:

Two years later I have to admit that and still perplexed by  my strange encounter with Mr. Wilde.  Was it my perception that changed or did he change or was it a little bit of both?  I suppose I'll never know.

Hi ENT Doc, thanks for sharing your experiences in this thread.

I don't think it was your perception that changed about Stuie - it was him that changed.  And it seems to be a fundamental thing that happens to anybody who takes any sort of altering substance.   For instance, my brother, the one who was demonically shadowed.  He was only nice when he was drunk or high.  Versus many people who drink and then become nasty and violent.  It was the exact opposite with him, he was mean and dark and hateful when he was sober and only nice when he was on something.  Alcohol, drugs, Aya, what have you, they seem to be "mask removers," and reveal what's really on the inside.  My brother started off as a good person who was severely messed with and then later demonically shadowed and the alcohol and pot would remove that hateful tacked on exterior that wasn't him, revealing the real self that still lingered deep down.   It sounds like Stuie's been messed with in a big way and is normally carrying around all this tacked on external negative "baggage," to put it delicately.  Then you get him on Aya and it discombobulates things enough so that the tacked on artificial demonic outer mask falls way revealing what really lies beneath...a good guy.  But the second he's off the Aya, the negs can latch back on again, doing their thing. 

Then to use an example of a roommate I used to have named Todd, back in '96.  He normally wore a mask, pretending to be a nice guy, a Christian (Catholic) and all this mainstream normalcy.  It was only barely hidden though, it wanted to come out all the time.  But when he drank, watch out.  He became crazy and unstable, mean, bitter, hateful towards females who've denied him.  The mask came off, revealing his true self underneath.  It was creepy.  He went after me one night in fact when he was drunk, stumbling around, physically lunging for me, all bitter and hateful (I think because I didn't like him like that and he wanted to hook up) and my other guy rooomates had to physically restrain him and pull him back and "escort" him away from me and my room as he stumbled around, slurring and being hostile.     Sober though he was calm, restrained, normal, the good Catholic boy.  wink 

The ironic thing is, at least with my brother anyway, is that the very alcohol/drugs that discombobulate things enough so that the tacked on demonic layer can fall away is the very thing that may have caused them to become latched on in the first place.  !   (It probably wasn't Aya for Stuie that did it though - he was a heavy drinker for years and years remember, and alcohol brings the neg entities around in a big way.)  Also, all his Morph work and the spiritual things he's been involved in would make him a natural big time target for negative "stuff."  So I think the Aya is the least of his worries, it's not what's causing this Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde personality switching.  But when he's on it and it discombobulates things, it reveals that Stuart normally seems to have neg entities latched onto him. 

That's too bad that your first experience two years ago was a disappointing let down.  But you're right, it is a good lesson about not putting people on a pedestal, everyone is fallible, and everyone has good and bad in them.

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209 (edited by lala 2007-07-21 19:35:25)

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khatru asks:

Exactly how does one become qualified to make the diagnosis that SW is "brain damaged"?

I don't know that anyone is making that diagnosis. I thought that it was poetry for one thing, and rhetorical in the sense that it references all of the ways that we put celebrity insights on a pedestal, when, really, from a more pedestrian view we can come up with the same insights from our own distorted perceptions, that we are only trying to heal, like most of the human race. The more glimpses of awakened reality that I get, the more I see myself as healing from brain damage, because the brain is just a tool that we have misapplied and used for understanding the self and overly rely on it for perceiving reality. We overuse it. And also we abuse it, it has been abused through toxic chemicals, ingrained false belief systems, media brainwashing, etc., etc. Isn't that what enlightenment technically is? Integrating, clarifying and fine tuning the nervous system with all of the other bodies? Everyone is a little bit brain damaged until they are totally awake. Or maybe this is just my own brain damage talking.-lala

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ENT Doc wrote:

My first impression was something like, "This  paranoid asshole is the person who wrote all those cool books?" I did my best to keep a safe distance from Mr. Wilde during the remainder of the week, but still remained  within listening distance just in case something profound or important was said by the metaphysical master.

Similarly, I decided at  one point in my life that I never want to meet an admired and cherished author in person again. I have met many at trade shows and workshops and so forth, and the experience is always amazingly dissappointing and strange.
I have to conclude that consciousness moves through us in amazing and profound ways, but that it often has nothing whatsoever to do with the personality or character of the person expressing a piece of it.-lala

don't judge a book by its name