• Registered: 2004-10-06

Re: Does everyone really create their own reality?

dreamosis wrote:

what is so terrifying about the idea that things happen to us randomly and without our control?  I can't come up with an answer.

I did not say that it was a terrifying thought.  I simply don't believe that seriously harmful things happen to souled people without their higher selves allowing it for some reason, however difficult that might be to believe for some other folks.


I will admit that, as a parent of four grown children, that thought brought comfort to me when I had to let them start driving and dating.  smile  And, no, I don't believe it simply because I find it comforting.

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great and would suffice.  ~Robert Frost
  • Registered: 2005-03-07

Re: Does everyone really create their own reality?

Aquarius wrote:

I did not say that it was a terrifying thought.  I simply don't believe that seriously harmful things happen to souled people without their higher selves allowing it for some reason, however difficult that might be to believe for some other folks.

I didn't mean the "terrifying" question to be directed specifically at you, though it was your post that made me think of it.  For the record, however, how does the possibility of the opposite of your belief make you feel?

I generally agree with you on the nothing-happens-without-our-higher-selves-allowing-it theory.  A higher self implies a lower self, though, and a possibility of a conflict of wills between them.

I think what the essay in the first post was getting at, in part, is that when people say: "It was their karma," they're using the pronoun "their" to refer to the higher self and ignoring the existence of the body and mind.  A souled person isn't a single unit.  It may be continuous in terms of energy, but it rarely is in terms of awareness.

...I guess if you thoroughly identify with the life-is-a-videogame take, then sure, who cares what happens to the character on the screen?  It's all a game.  What's important is the player.  But what's the difference between people feeling that way about the violence on earth and the people who grow callous to videogame gore?  (I suppose in asking that I'm inferring that there's something wrong with people who play violent videogames and think nothing of it...Maybe nothing is wrong with it.  It is a game).     

Both points-of-view come to the same thing: it's a game...it isn't real.  I think that's why I chose to respond to this thread so much.  The "none-of-this-is-real" belief behind the "your-higher-self-is-in-complete-control" belief.  There are probably more beliefs than that behind the higher self belief, but that's one of them.

So now I feel like a kid in Sunday school.  If only the will of the higher self matters, why have a lower self with a will?  Why bother?

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.
  • Registered: 2004-10-06

Re: Does everyone really create their own reality?

dreamosis wrote:

Both points-of-view come to the same thing: it's a game...it isn't real.  I think that's why I chose to respond to this thread so much.  The "none-of-this-is-real" belief behind the "your-higher-self-is-in-complete-control" belief.  There are probably more beliefs than that behind the higher self belief, but that's one of them.

So now I feel like a kid in Sunday school.  If only the will of the higher self matters, why have a lower self with a will?  Why bother?

I have no way of knowing whether you're addressing your questions to me or not, smile so I feel the need to point out that "none-of-this-is-real" is not an accurate description of my personal opinion on this matter, which does not at all deny reality.


Your accident was clearly very real and I don't deny at all your pain or damage to your vehicle.  I will suggest that possibly your higher self allowed it in order to demonstrate the importance of defensive driving.  Perhaps you got the message and that saved you in a situation on another date.  The accident kept you from getting wherever you were going at the time, so perhaps you would have become a victim of a serial killer on the prowl had you not been interrupted.  Or a third possibility is that the matrix tried to take you out and your higher self alerted you to speed up and avoid being killed.  These are only three possibilities out of an infinite number of reasons you "allowed" it.


My oldest son had a wreck on a motorcycle at age 19 which, with the assistance of an inattentive orthopedic surgeon, left him with permanent nerve damage in his arm.  At the time I was beside myself with anger, metaphorically shaking my fist at the sky and wanting to sue the pants off of the doctor.  But my son took it all in stride and proceeded to make a wonderful life for himself in spite of his crippled arm.  Why did it happen?  I feel sure that on some level he KNOWS why, and that is why he is at peace with it.  His higher self was in charge that day, I believe, allowing him to suffer the consequences of his lower will's stupidity.  At least he wasn't killed.  big_smile  The accident was bad enough to have killed him.  But perhaps his arm was sacrificed to save his head, and maybe because he had other stuff he needed to live to do.

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great and would suffice.  ~Robert Frost
  • From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: Does everyone really create their own reality?

I wonder what you guys think about reality creation after checking out this site:
(Warning-This stuff isn't for the airy-fairy...)

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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20 Reply by calpamu (edited by calpamu 2007-06-29 03:14:57)

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Re: Does everyone really create their own reality?

Healing cannot occur in an environment of deceit, imo.

Just because were standing  in the dark does not mean we cannot laught. smile

  • Registered: 2006-03-29

Re: Does everyone really create their own reality?

kid mongo wrote:

I wonder what you guys think about reality creation after checking out this site:
(Warning-This stuff isn't for the airy-fairy...)

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/

Why not create a thread to discuss this site and any specifics that stand out to you?

  • lala
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  • From: Colorado
  • Registered: 2007-01-29

Re: Does everyone really create their own reality?

kid mongo wrote:

I wonder what you guys think about reality creation after checking out this site:
(Warning-This stuff isn't for the airy-fairy...)

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/

z3n3rg replied:

Why not create a thread to discuss this site and any specifics that stand out to you?

Not a bad idea, I did read parts of this thread, and although it did contain some good insights into hyperdimensional politics, one has to remember that it is from a self-proclaimed demon. And demons are notorious for spreading deceit, despair, hopelessness, etc.-lala

don't judge a book by its name
  • From: Shores of Lake Titikaka
  • Registered: 2006-05-25

Re: Does everyone really create their own reality?

Objective reality is something we accept, discover, describe, share, etc as a human family; subjective reality is the illusion we create from the paradigms we accept, discover, describe, and share.  How we see the world has much to do with what we have repressed or those aspects of the unknown which manifest our fears (or blinding agents).

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter

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