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I apologize for two things.  First I never did get to my main point in my previous posts.  Second I am about to use some awful metaphors. 

I recognize the power of Aya and other drugs to get us through the door from this poor illusionary world to a more clear reality.   And here is a key to understanding where it is we are arriving at:

He stared up toward me with his sightless eyes, and said with a grin, ‘Oh, they're always saying that. But they are only the Masters of Outer Darkness.’

A clearer reality?  Or just a better, prettier illusion?  Maybe just another level of "outer darkness"?   (Here come the metaphors).  Aya and others are like sticks of dynamite that blow open the first door.  Works great to get us this far, but what happens when we see this is only the first step on a long journey?  Personally, instead of using a stick of dynamite that may get me through one doorway before it is used up, I would rather start out at the very beginning by forging a key that I can use to open all the following doors as well.   If you tend to see this world as a prison, I can pretty well guarantee the next one will eventually start to seem the same.  On the other hand if you can reach a state from which you can recognize the Reality of the True Source of Creation (of every dimension, sub-reality, and illusion)  you now have a key to unlock all the coming doors.  A key that will take you all the way back to the Heart of All.  Now that is where I want to be!  I love the sights along the way, in all the sub-realities.  They can be absolutely fascinating .  But there comes a time to move on.

I sympathize with those who feel frustrated because they believe they can't "get there" from here.  IMHO, we all can, though.  The key lies at the very core of our beings.  It is what we are. Can't escape that.  Maybe just relax and enjoy the journey, drawing maps as we go.   Bless you, Stui!!!

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This afternoon i am taking my son [20 years old] to the doctor.  He quit marijuana [again] 3 weeks ago because after ~ 6 years of smoking and observing a few friends go down in the same way, he was [ and still is ] having paranoia, anxiety and suicidal thoughts. He knows it's the pot doing this to his brain.  The increased incidence of these crises among MJ smokers compared to non is medically well documented now and indisputable by hippies.  This is my own crises close to home right now but i would write the following regardless due to my own knowledge and experience.

I think windrunner's warnings about the damage to the astral body are important for the spiritual aspirant to consider. [not to mention the damage to the physical brain too.]  Khatru, you cannot 'wear out' [badly damage] the asral body and rise any higher in consciousness than the astral plane, whether in life or in death. That bears repeating in capital letters because the reality is worse than the warning.  The physical, astral, mental and etheric bodies are vessels for the soul's experience in the material planes.  These 4 lower bodies are supposed to be vessels in which the soul unites with the individual spiritual consciousness and gives expression to that Self in the material planes.

If these finer bodies become porous and breached by drug use and or other behavior they cannot be a fitting vessel for the higher spiritual Self.  In their vulnerability they can only be vessels for the comparative maelstrom of 'human' consciousness and the lower astral entities.  Most people cannot discern the difference between spirit and astral because in spite of their drug taking [and more truly partly because of it] they have not experienced spiritual consciousness in this life.  Most people have only experienced the mundane human consciousness only [which is almost totally astral and lower mental] and so any drug induced extreme altered state is automatically assumed to be "spiritual".  It is also assumed to lead to spiritual 'growth'.     

More realistically they have experienced a gross imbalance of brain chemistry warping chemicals, halucinations which include perceptions of the astral planes only and an emotional ride. This ride always ends, and when resulting in damage to the finer bodies, always makes the goal and possibility of real spiritual consciousness that much more difficult.  This is my firm view after trial and error. 

In the past i have used a lot of different drugs. eg. Marijuana x years, "magic" mushrooms 3x, LSD 4x, speed occasionally, cocaine occasionally, tobacco x years and alchohol x years.  I know all i need to know about halucinogens, psychadelics and other central nervous system stimulants and depressants.  Similar claims to 'aya' have been made for some of these drugs at one time or another but the general limitations described above apply to them all... including varying degrees of psychosis.   

As most people know, addictive behavior can also begin from the usually deplorable downer effects after the drug has worn off.  You have to ride it out ,sometimes for days or more, or use the drug again to quench the 'heeby jeebies' which inevitably appear when the brain is trying to restore the natural chemical balance and detoxify.

Fortunately for me i am healed from the effects of drugs because i stopped taking them years ago when i found the first glimmer of a spiritual Self.  Over time i allowed that spirit to penetrate my subtle bodies and to melt my wounds with a fervent heat.  I eventually felt it flow into my brain and physical body like fire.   It has to be experienced to know the difference between Spirit and a psychadelic high. There is absolutely no comparison.  One heals, the other wounds.

I agree that some people will always feel they need a chemical to prove to themselves that other levels of reality exist beyond the physical.  And psychadelics can do that.  But why poison yourself like that and damage the finer bodies when the spiritual circuitry exists right within you to know yourself as God?  Why accept toxic levels of chemicals from the false initiators when the divine Self waits to initiate your soul with spiritual fire by the only lawful and effective means?  Why take 'heaven' by force with psychadelics when the path of surrender [to God], sacrifice [of the lower self] and service is the eternal way?

Societies that use these drugs, no matter how long standing the practice, are living in the astral psychic realms and remain enthralled with forces that are not spiritual.   They are not preparing the 'temple' for the descent of spirit which would teach them all things.  They are not extinguishing ego consciousness at all because that ego springs from recalcitrant ingrained energy patterns that distort the 4 lower bodies.  These subconscious distortions can only be transmuted by spiritual fire and not by psychic perception gained from synthetic or plant based psychadelics. These drugs, if not forsaken, can destroy even the opportunity of permanent spiritual attainment.

Jesus said : "You cannot pour new [spiritual] wine into old wineskins."

The wine is the spiritual light of the higher Self and the wineskins are the finer bodies described earlier.  So the 'wineskins' must be healed by the inner spirit in order to contain a much greater Spiritual consciousness.  That attainment of spiritual Selfhood comes through soul surrender to the true path.  That path does not include the latest fashionable psycho- active drug whether or not it's been used for ages.  Cultural practices are not neccesarilly beneficial by virtue of their age.

There is no immortality except the soul win that immortality by purifying itself through conscious contact with the spiritual Self. [which is immortal].  The soul can destroy it's opportunity for immortality and self destruct without ascending or it can fulfill it's reason for being in the material planes.  That is the sobering truth.  Those are the 2 ways our souls can go... ultimate life or ultimate death.   Contrary to some new age material, all paths do not lead to the same destination. Only all SPIRITUAL PATHS do.

Lastly, there are no external portals into spiritual consciousness.  The only window or access point to spirit is the purified mirror of soul consciousness WITHIN.  When healed that mirror will reflect the beauty of the Christ consciousness into the material planes. There are no external portals to higher consciousness and Stuie needs a good shake and a reality check.

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Brother Stuie says: Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!

"We are always more afraid than we wish to be, but we can always be braver than we expect." 
-Sorilea

"Take things as they come. Punch when you have to punch.  Kick when you have to kick." 
-Bruce Lee

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What we are discussing here doesn't resemble in the slightest the Spanish Inquisition.  You could elaborate.

185 (edited by khatru 2007-07-06 22:13:23)

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Windrunner wrote:

I apologize for two things.  First I never did get to my main point in my previous posts.  Second I am about to use some awful metaphors.

You're right! lol

Sorry, I'm really bad at deciphering these kinds of metaphors, but I do get the dynamite analogy. I don't think you understood mine either so I guess we're even. 
Instead of all this, I'd be much more interested in an explanation of "key", "doors" etc, how one would recognize "The Reality of the True Source of Creation" and how you can be so sure that someone else's experience is an illusion, while yours is real. How do you know when you've found the core of your being? What does that feel like?
I suspect that if you think you've found it, that's not it. [zen-pun icon]
This is not sarcasm. I'm curious to hear how you would ground these statements.


nexus wrote:

This is my own crises close to home right now...

I do happen to know about 20 pot heads who've been that way for decades. I've never seen anything remotely resembling the mental situations you describe. I don't know what kind of bud you guys have down under, but what circulates around here mostly inspires people to watch the cartoon channel and eat too much ice cream and pizza. I'm sure their astral bodies leak like a sieve though. :>)

You're a little wide of the mark of where I was coming from above. I'm not going to wade into a swamp full of straw man arguments and take them on one by one. You might as well have said "Just Say NO!)

nexus wrote:

Societies that use these drugs, no matter how long standing the practice, are living in the astral psychic realms and remain enthralled with forces that are not spiritual.   They are not preparing the 'temple' for the descent of spirit which would teach them all things.  They are not extinguishing ego consciousness at all because that ego springs from recalcitrant ingrained energy patterns that distort the 4 lower bodies.  These subconscious distortions can only be transmuted by spiritual fire and not by psychic perception gained from synthetic or plant based psychadelics. These drugs, if not forsaken, can destroy even the opportunity of permanent spiritual attainment.

There is no immortality except the soul win that immortality by purifying itself through conscious contact with the spiritual Self. [which is immortal].  The soul can destroy it's opportunity for immortality and self destruct without ascending or it can fulfill it's reason for being in the material planes.  That is the sobering truth.  Those are the 2 ways our souls can go... ultimate life or ultimate death.   Contrary to some new age material, all paths do not lead to the same destination. Only all SPIRITUAL PATHS do.

Lastly, there are no external portals into spiritual consciousness.  The only window or access point to spirit is the purified mirror of soul consciousness WITHIN.  When healed that mirror will reflect the beauty of the Christ consciousness into the material planes. There are no external portals to higher consciousness and Stuie needs a good shake and a reality
check.

Nexus: I'm sorry man, but all of this sounds like some kind of fear based channeling with metaphors that are about 100x worse that the ones from Windrider's post. It doesn't take this many words to say "take the blue pill".

Here's my paradigm: There are no rules. We're allowed to do whatever we want. God doesn't care.
We can be evil. We can smoke pot. We can have sex with multiple partners...even at the same time. The future is wide open to experimentation. The complication is, we're trying to remember (because we already know) that we're attached to the balance of the energy of our actions. So evil returns to us and makes us feel bad and eventually we learn to avoid it. Pot feels good so we do it until we realize that all that pizza and ice cream has made us gain 50 pounds (or 25 kilos, whatever) and that Billy and Mandy sucks. DMT is already in our brains, if we add some, we remove filters and see a little bit more of a spectrum of reality we've been designed to filter out. If we do it everyday it gets weird, so we stop. No big deal.

There is no ultimate life or death and all paths are already spiritual -- every one. There is only eternity which we're trying to fill up with novel experiences. There's no hurry, except for the fact that all this novel exploration of hedonism, religion, warmongering and tyranny is going to require us to spend a bit more time on this planet remembering why we shouldn't have attached ourselves to some of it. IMHO we need to rally around and make sure no one snuffs this particular Earth so we don't have to finish our business as insectizoids on Zorgon 12 (which is the most primal STS path available to us).

I have no particular interest in ascension, at least on an individual basis. In fact I think it's the biggest con going. If there's one trick of Satan that's worthy of mention it would be that "we're supposed to accumulate enough light to ascend and then we can do our true work" (sound anything like Liz Prophet?). If I was the evil master that's exactly what I'd want. Get all the brightest minds and biggest hearts and get them to save their spiritual jizz until they blow right out of here. Gone and out of the picture...aka Hale Bop. If this reality could be so affected by the "ascended", the dudes who are already out there could just fix it all. Unfortunately, it appears that we have to come in and fix it from the inside.
If I was the Beelze-bubba what I wouldn't want is the brightest minds and biggest hearts connecting with each other and their higher selves and bringing that light and accumulated information into the material plane to manifest it here. That would create the satanic clusterf^ck for sure and could even lead to a planetary ascension, which sounds much more interesting anyway.

(And none of this takes into account the control freak hyperdimensionals who are pulling strings to keep us here, but you left them out, so I will too.)

I understand you're sincere, but what you're selling is a distraction.
Now I need to go sit under a tree and think about nothing.

No, I think I'll think about Das Moose and the Spanish Inquisition.

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LMAO. Very well said Khatru big_smile

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I recieved notice that the Las Vegas seminar is sold out. I'm wondering , has anyone been to one of Stu's seminars and lived to tell the tale? Or are the participants sworn to secrecy? Anyone? Share your testimony.

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When I was at heart of the initiate in Brazil I talked to a few people who either attended heart of the initiate seminars with Stuart or had gone to a seminar he had held in a castle somewhere in England.  Most of the people spoke of him as  pseudo guru  It seemed to me that he must be a very interesting person to be in the presence of if he is eliciting such favorable opinions from those who had attended a seminar with him.   A friend that I met  from the Brazil workshop who lives in Singapore and had met Stew before, said she wanted to go to Stuarts workshop in Vegas.   I figure you need to like something a lot to travel that far to see him.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

189 (edited by Tom Paine 2007-07-12 06:11:23)

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Khatru! 
You are right on! 
Your rapier wit cuts thru the bullshit!
You have a good nose for newage sewage!
Hail fellow well met!

TP

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Poor Stuie. I just picked up God's Gladiators and I'm happy I gave it a third read. You can really see the inconsistancies in his angle. It's really rather amazing that he can contradict himself so blatantly.
    He keeps saying that being a Chosen One is a trap, yet his Redeemer's Club is just that. A buch of lucky lads who will hold the gates of camelot open for the rest of us slugs to escape.
   I was on a yahoo group forum about SW for a bit. There was a lad who saved his dough and went to see stu down in Brazil. Eventually I had to leave the forum for he was as openly confrontational and blindly addicted as any born again christian in the mid west. It was really rather horrifying.  And this guy was part of his redeemers club.
   It's sad, becuase I think Stuart Wilde has some interesting angles. I mostly identify with his rough and tumble, drinking and fighting style. Spirituality is not just for mountain tops. You've got to get good and dirty if you are so inclined, and deal with yourself in the aftermath.
   But I do think he underestimates the sheer ruthlessness and power of a hyperdimensional race of lizards millions of years more technologically advanced than us.
   In God's Gladiators he mentions going through some pretty horrid attacks where his body becomes incredibly hot, panic attacks, and such. It strikes me as the same sort of thing that happend  to Don Elkins and what probably happend to the hither to unaccounted Michael Topper. It would seem that anyone who finds a bit of truth gets knocked out of the game before they can spread it.
  But who knows. This is a very very twisted game and he might be resolved to be half dis-info agent, half truth spreader, hence why he is still breathing.
  I've said it before and I'lll say it again. He seems to be someone I would drink a pint of guinness with and bang ideas off of, but I sure as hell won't pay him for the privledge.

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Actually its all a bit sad really, Stuart has the classic "Control Freak' image....l joined the redeemers club, and he went away for a few days and came back to the site with so many posters asking questions, he got so mad, guess he was withdrawing off something? He then kicked off several cos he couldnt control his temper or ego....l know what hes after, and hes still looking for a particular kind of person that can get information from the 'gap'....he wont find them, they know as l do that there are many out there vieing to get in, but those that travel these hyways and loways can smell a 'ponce'  a fake that didnt make it....l was warned in a trace to stay away from him....so l took the good advice and did....
Stu thinks that theres a library somewhere that contains all the info....enough to make him a very rich man, but not a wealthy one...nor even a healthy one....its a pity really cos the info is in the selected genes of only certain humans and only they can access the 'store'....stuie is not allowed in....
Those of us that know, live alone and only use the information for the good of all.....and we do that by putting little bits of info on the internet from time to time, leaving it to others to build on....trust is ever so important to the 'Energy', and this 'Parent' knows exactly what your thoughts / feelings are....So there is no tricking here....

Still he is making lots of doh ray me and loving it.....you see stuie has his own 'darkness' that is why he is in constant grief and anger....oh well....we are only human and l am especially sad that such a good man is getting wasted....be very careful...
ao

Qua being in the capacity of being

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You know if you give attention to something even if its negative, they win....now thats a fact....instead dont woft on about him and he will slowly disappear, share not the Energy....otherwise you will get what the americans got...remember how most were against Bush...yet he got back in...thats cos all the 'energy' be it neg or pos was given over to him....what ever you continually think about is what you are going to get....stop thinking of this bloke and start thinking of pro peace without the scamers...give then not one little byte of your thinkings, nor any part of your emotions, he feeds of them like a desert swallowing all the moisture that comes within range/rage....

Stuart Wilde?
Never knew him...thats the answer

Qua being in the capacity of being

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AO wrote:

.l know what hes after, and hes still looking for a particular kind of person that can get information from the 'gap'....he wont find them, they know as l do that there are many out there vieing to get in, but those that travel these hyways and loways can smell a 'ponce'  a fake that didnt make it....l was warned in a trace to stay away from him....so l took the good advice and did....
Stu thinks that theres a library somewhere that contains all the info....enough to make him a very rich man, but not a wealthy one...nor even a healthy one....its a pity really cos the info is in the selected genes of only certain humans and only they can access the 'store'....stuie is not allowed in....

Can you say more about this "library" or "store" and the genes of those who have access?  How do those who have access know about it, and what is the proper way to use the information they find in the library?

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AO wrote:

but those that travel these hyways and loways can smell a 'ponce'  a fake that didnt make it....l was warned in a trace to stay away from him....so l took the good advice and did....

...stop thinking of this bloke and start thinking of pro peace without the scamers...give then not one little byte of your thinkings, nor any part of your emotions, he feeds of them like a desert swallowing all the moisture that comes within range/rage....

Stuart Wilde?
Never knew him...thats the answer
ao

AO thanks for the awesome post and great advice.

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I enjoyed the debate of Khatru Vs Nexus.
They both have points and "a feel" of their own
I'd just say the middle way is usually best.
Khatru postulates: "There are no rules" and "We do what we want"
Yes, we do what we WANT. And that's why we create /are stuck in an image of self.  Wanting
You can exclaim "there are no limits", but you are not transported out of ego-confusion with the mere saying of it.
Ego = a preference for this versus that... wanting. The false "me" will take the low road every time.
No exit velocity.
Freedom from the control freak...the image of "me", is freedom from all phantom worlds.
Emptiness is no wanting.
Yet there is not merely nothing, that's why we are here.

We do live in an orderly universe that has certain laws.
Learn them directly, not just your brain which creates and replicates the "me".
The division and duality that ego breeds is an ache that must be dulled with weed
and then a dullness that must be cured with psychotropics, mysticism, money or sex
"What is ", is absolutely perfect.
Yet we pass eons of time trying to extract some fly from the ointment of "consciousness".
There is no attainment.
a projection of "me" added to time = perfection in the future. yet only now exists.

You can't "become" a Buddha, but you can realize that buddha is right here, right now.
That's why this emptiness is a revelation, there 's nothing to fix.
You can visit paradise temporarily on some externally induced drug, but that's just tourism.
the brain's receptors must clear, calm and steady to get past that and onto the INNER drugs,
the real ones that don't go away the next day.

The lazy mind wont bother with the uncertainty and fear that waits at every actual corner. Just past the story.
Stu has been there but got lost along the way apparently
I have the recurring sense that he is just another trickster despite his obvious talents. He's finally tricked by himself.
This is often the way with people who are mentally unbalanced.
In the midst of the mania and self-interpreted stories there is a nugget or a gem.
howabout: "A fool and his money are soon parted"

"Real Information" is everywhere. This is the gap.
Is that satisfying? Tantalizing crumbs of knowledge for the ghost?
I'd rather be clueless. Not even know what this is, who i am.
A little knowledge is dangerous.
To be stuck with Stu's revolving half truths and phantom world, where nothing can be trusted, sounds like hell.
Yet to wonder like a child, to look, to open one's eyes wide... is to be in contact... ALIVE!
without superstitious, self affirming plot-thickeners.
There is nothing wrong with this whatever-it-is.
Lack of contact and "exageration" go hand in hand

Why does some brain-damaged story teller gets our attention and praise?
We don't find ourselves... or this... interesting?
We don't know how to look inside here...
this incredible mystery of... keys tapping on the keyboard and the hum of a fan upstairs
rain dripping on the gutter outside and laughter from the next room.
we want fireworks and glory-stories with a grand me in them.