Topic: What is there is only your interpretation, nothing else.

Hi all,

I just came across a blog posting about the recent death of a 'spiritual teacher' called U.G. Krishnamurti (not to be confused with J. Krishnamurti).

Anyway I thought the following quote was incredible:

U.G. Krishnamurti wrote:

I have no teaching. There is nothing to preserve. Teaching implies something that can be used to bring about change. Sorry, there is no teaching here, just disjointed, disconnected sentences. What is there is only your interpretation, nothing else. For this reason there is not now nor will there ever be any kind of copyright for whatever I am saying. I have no claims.

I love the sentence "What is there is only your interpretation, nothing else." That just sums up what all learning really is, but I'm not sure if many people realize that. I don't think I did until I just read that.

See http://www.takuin.com/2007/03/30/the-de … shnamurti/

A few other quotes that stood out to me include:

"People call me an ‘enlightened man’ — I detest that term — they can’t find any other word to describe the way I am functioning. At the same time, I point out that there is no such thing as enlightenment at all. I say that because all my life I’ve searched and wanted to be an enlightened man, and I discovered that there is no such thing as enlightenment at all, and so the question whether a particular person is enlightened or not doesn’t arise. I don’t give a hoot for a sixth-century-BC Buddha, let alone all the other claimants we have in our midst. They are a bunch of exploiters, thriving on the gullibility of the people. There is no power outside of man. Man has created God out of fear. So the problem is fear and not God."

"God is the ultimate pleasure, uninterrupted happiness. No such thing exists. Your wanting something that does not exist is the root of your problem. Transformation, moksha, liberation, and all that stuff are just variations on the same theme: permanent happiness."

"There is nothing there, only your relative, experiential data, your truth. There is no such thing as objective truth at all. There is nothing which exists outside or independent of our minds."

"Mind or thought is not yours or mine. It is our common inheritance. There is no such thing as your mind and my mind (it is in that sense mind is a myth). There is only mind, the totality of all that has been known, felt and experienced by man, handed down from generation to generation. We are all thinking and functioning in that thought sphere just as we all share the same atmosphere for breathing."

"You have been told that you should practice desirelessness. You have practiced desirelessness for thirty or forty years, but still desires are there. So something must be wrong somewhere. Nothing can be wrong with desire; something must be wrong with the one who has told you to practice desirelessness. This (desire) is a reality; that (desirelessness) is false – it is falsifying you. Desire is there. Desire as such can’t be wrong, can’t be false, because it is there."

"Human nature is basically violent, because thought is violent. Anything that is born out of thought is destructive. You may cover it up with all wonderful and romantic phrases: ‘Love thy neighbour as thyself.’ Don’t forget that in the name of ‘Love thy neighbour as thyself’ millions and millions of people have died, more than in all the recent wars put together. But we now have come to a point where we can realize that violence is not the answer, that it is not the way to solve human problems. So, terror seems to be the only way. I am not talking of terrorists blowing up churches, temples, and all that kind of thing, but the terror that if you try to destroy your neighbour you will possibly destroy yourself. That realization has to come down to the level of the common man."

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2 (edited by nexus 2007-05-04 02:55:05)

Re: What is there is only your interpretation, nothing else.

U.G. Krishnamurti wrote....

" I discovered that there is no such thing as enlightenment at all... there is nothing there "

I have an obvious question for U.G. Krishnamurti...     How can he 'discover' that enlightenment is not there at all ?

On what basis does he slander Guatama Buddha ?     Simple,  U.G.K has a very interesting scientific approach to life.

He postulates that if he hasn't personally discovered something then it simply cannot exist...

...because if it did exist then  U.G  Krishnamurti would know about it right ?  wink

He continues   " There is nothing there, only your relative experiential data, your truth. There is no such thing
                          as objective truth at all."
     
U.G.K  has not found objective truth, therefore it doesn't exist.   wink

The relative mind that U.G.K says we all share sounds to me like his description of the mass conciousness. 
this " common inheritance... handed down from generation to generation... that we are all functioning in"

Is there no way out U.G.K ?
Must we remain ruled by our human desires forever?     hate? envy? revenge? greed? fear?

U.G.K  'knows' we must,  because human desires are still there right?  And if human desire could be transcended U.G.K and his friends would have proven it so? wink

I mean U.G.Ks relative approach to life would definately be the master key to success wouldn't it?  wink

Enough already.

: edited to move two words into the line above them.

3 (edited by Postitivone 2007-07-05 21:13:54)

Re: What is there is only your interpretation, nothing else.

There is nothing to get out of.

f*ck Buddha, f*ck my chakaras, f*ck Zen shit! f*ck the TPTB f*ck TPTnB, f*ck yoga f*ck your meditation f*ck your Fuckin self censoring.

f*ck the spirtual f*ck the supersensible, f*ck these words f*ck YOUR TRAP, f*ck your questions, f*ck YOU

If the human mind was simple enough to understand, we'd be too simple to understand it.
Emerson Pugh

Re: What is there is only your interpretation, nothing else.

Postitivone, was that meant to be sarcastic or something?  Because if not... wow, it may be time to take a break, go walk in the woods for a bit or something, you know?