Re: Man-hating revenge-minded feminist wackos

oavada wrote:

well, when i wrote it i knew some boy hero would respond like hes the man and thats exactly what ol Tom did here...i really could care less anyway....this country ie the U.S.  sold us all out in god knows how many ways and this is just another example.....................belljar, ie miss tori amos, seemingly so "underground" in her views, regurgitates whats shes fed by liberal media- ie. that men are a bunch of scums and women are absolutely flawless...shes gets this from NBC, CBS, Hollywood consistently...she is the prototype for every victimized, man-hating anti-depressant sniffing wacko that im talking about..... ive been the nicest guy in the world to women and they continue to insist consistently that im sort of asshole rapist war mongering womanizing prick..ive had enough PSYCHOS in my life!!

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17 (edited by nexus 2007-06-24 08:16:51)

Re: Man-hating revenge-minded feminist wackos

I am not looking for conflict here but whenever anyone has posted Karen Bishop material here i have always felt she is so off the mark i almost pity her.  I suppose i will get a serve for this but i have always been surprised by the belief that we can sail through the material plane and be changed merely because the terrestrial and celestial influences are provoking psychological reactions in us that we can just "let go of" in order to heal and transmute the deep psycho- spiritual wounds.  Energies are not simply released just because Karen says they are.  Is there anything Karen doesn't know about the energy field of planet earth and what we're all going through minute by minute?

The fact that we are 'going through things' and 'experiencing the energies' does not translate into the transmutation of the cause and core of the lower self.   And to get a running commentary of updates accompanied by 'fortune cookie' type platitudes by someone pretending that this is the authentic spiritual work of the ages is just too much.  Personally i don't believe her.  I think she is on some trip.

The only true and permanent healing of the wounds and energy blocks in the subconscious can be through contact with the inner higher Self.  I think if Karen was truly in touch with the wise inner Self she wouldn't be saying the things she does.  They are not true.

ps.. Right you are lyra.  You shouldn't have got caught up in my broad sweep.

18 (edited by nexus 2007-06-24 23:21:50)

Re: Man-hating revenge-minded feminist wackos

Hi Kato,

I contributed to this post earlier to point out to others it's fast degeneration into polarised views.  It had [with the exception of Tom and lyra] become a game of gender ping pong with no concessions either way.  Generally, i think when someone expresses a true perception of some aspect of life it's a good idea on a forum like this to acknowledge it in some way.  You know, make reasonable concessions.  I didn't hear that happening so i wrote what i saw.

But i am not rigid in that approach.  Sometimes it's a good idea to directly oppose even when the other party has expressed some truths like Karen has.  Direct opposition can have the effect of popping a bubble to see if there is anything inside.  But i do believe that people find what they need until they can recognise something higher.  However i am not completely non-attached to pointing out grave errors where i see them.  If my reader hasn't consciously seen the error until i pointed it out then it has been worth it. I know you agree with me on that because of your note to me pointing out what you believe to be my own errant approach to this thread.

If all this was just academic it would be ok.  But all these physical embodiments we are having are partly due to the fact that we have so often entered the material plane seeking the keys to the inner kingdom and have been fed hogwash instead.  Some ideas wrapped in spiritual garb are just warm air with a soapy skin... dead ends that can waste the opportunity of an entire embodiment in flattery and astral psychicism instead of developing spiritual consciousness.  To suppose that this is what the believers need is to underestimate their inner spiritual intelligence.  But granted, there are people who actually want a psuedo- spiritual path because the alternative is to surrender and let go of their new age egos, their astral psychicism and feelings of self importance.  Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

Spiritual discernment is essential on the path to spiritual oneness with the inner Christ.  The higher Self is the Judge who sees and separates the real from the unreal in self and in the objective worlds.

That is why the Christ Spirit spoke through Jesus saying :

"For judgement i am come"     

ie.   "In order to separate the real from the unreal "I" [ the higher Self ] am come into the heart."

He also said  "Judge not [unrighteuosly] lest you be judged [unrighteously.]

The obvious corrollary to that statement is.. "Judge righteously and you will be judged righteously"

Just theoretically Kato, when these judgements are spoken in the polarised world of duality they will always appear simply to be just another polarised view.  Because there will always be someone to dissagree.  The appearance of relative polarity is what makes it possible to reject them.  But are these judgements merely "stringent beliefs"?.... just a "stabilised perception" on the periphery of a bubble of cosciousness?  Or do they come from the central sun of being?  We all have to make those judgements.  Whether spoken or not we are making such judgements nearly all the time.  Buddha Guatama engaged his contempories in debate and Jesus did the same in order to confront ideas which were untrue and to propagate ideas that were true.  True to what?  Certainly not to a relative 'truth' which anyone can manufacture... and often do.

Naturally i realise that in a variety of settings people have to be 'met' where they are 'at', especially in a healing setting between a 'facillitator' and 'client'.  If you do have intermittant hours and weeks to directly intertact with someone it's not a very good idea to turn up with your needle looking for bubbles.  We can all learn something about ourselves at all times.  Although you must come to certain judgements about states of consciousness and a way to facillitate a way through.  Sometimes you just might produce your needle too, but sparingly.

But if someone like Karen puts herself out there as 'one who knows' then she is open to our judgements about whether she does know.  Nothing wrong with that.  It's the same for any of us each time we open our mouths.  Given the kind of world we live in and the obvious dearth of truth here we must open our mouths.

Is my own judgement off the mark with all this?  You will have to be the judge of that.

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oavada... if you understand that you attract your life experiences... and you're encountering women of this distasteful sort... have you considered that it's your own "feminine" aspect on the rise in you, and your male-dominant energies are reacting? It's happening inside you (have fears risen lately?) and in your denial or rejection of fears inside, you've created reflections outside you (women you hate), to help you see what you're doing to yourself.

Feeling your feelings in a true way isn't really as horrible as you fear... let go and allow them to rise. You'll feel much better. Or... continue to be angry and reject feminine after feminine energetic until you find one (anger, perhaps) that feels good and stick with it. (tongue-in-cheek a bit here) Be prepared, though, to connect with an external feminine who has lots of repressed emotions and anger issues too, if this is your choice (as you've lately seen, in fact).

Mankind has been masculine dominant energetically for a very long time here. The mind, the ego, false beliefs, etc. are all part of this "masculine dominance". It is not a gender bias, I'm referring to energetic forces here. With a "masculine dominance" however, comes an equally "repressed feminine". In all who exhibit masculine dominance, you will find feminine repression. In all who exhibit feminine repression, you will find masculine dominance. And... in all who exhibit feminine dominance, you will find masculine repression. And vice versa. Each person, regardless of biological gender, has both masculine and feminine energies. So do you see? There's balance, always.  A lopsided balance, but a balance nonetheless. Free up your feminine energies that are in repression and you will free your masculine as well. The new you will literally encounter new types of women, who better match your newly balanced energies. It's all about you.

The polarity spoken of in this thread is a program, a template of energy dynamic, a boilerplate that you can plop your energy into without resistance and live as if it's who you are. Or not.

All that said, you seem quite "sided" in your masculine aspect at the moment, and are "in battle" with the feminine aspect... which suggests your own feminine energies (lower emotional center feelings, namely FEAR) are a target for your hatred, dislike, disgust, whatever word you choose. Rather than working with them, you've chosen to fight them. That being the case, your emotional energy likely only has permission to express within small confines defined by the dominant masculine template here: anger, control, false sweetness, manipulation, etc.

Look around, there's tons of that on this planet. You're in a position to make a difference... but the choice to add to the cacophony is always available too, of course. Do you realize, however, that you have a choice? And that you're making it with your statements in this thread? It's a perfectly acceptable choice to make, albeit painful, but do realize you're always free to choose anew?

Choosing to fall in line with "the foreign installation", as it's sometimes called, suffices for a while, but it will get old. You have an opportunity here... to choose differently. Will you take it?

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

Re: Man-hating revenge-minded feminist wackos

Sorry I have to weigh in here as this is an issue I've had many arguments about with my parents and especially my mother. My mom happens to be one of those men hating feminists even though when accused of this she denies it. She constantly refers to men as "stupid" and "dogs" and suggests whenever she can that women could exist without men on the planet [for example ranting about some women becoming spontaneously pregnant without a male-or cheering the female of the species when it eats its mate]...just really screwy ideas.  I understand why she's like this [it has to do with her father and the kind of person he was] but the challenge in life is to rise above hatred and to find love and understanding in your heart no matter what....Anyway I've always hated her viewpoint even though I'm a woman.

See, for me its like this: Two wrongs don't make a right. Yes women have been oppressed and abused through the centuries, but hating men and wishing for an all female planet is not going to turn the tide or make the world a better place to live in.

You see, men's abuse of women stems from fear [as so many negative outcomes do here on earth]. Men who abuse are afraid because they don't understand our power to nourish and sustain life...and  that's the basic fact behind it. They don't understand it and they never have. Essentially they are afraid of the feminine taking over, becoming too powerful so they react by stamping it out as strongly as possible and turning us into harmless sexual objects who exist only for their gratification.

Littel do they know they dig their own grave this way...

The creator made men and women. Ying and yang. Black and white, earth and sky. There are men on this planet and women on this planet. For a reason. Without one or the other things would fall apart and be out of balance. There is balance in every facet of the universe. Even within women there are male traits and characteristics, and within men there are female traits. We need to embrace both feminine and masculine energies within us and within our universe. By doing this we can understand each other better and alleviate hatred.

My People Were Fair And Had Sky In Their Hair...But Now They're Content To Wear Stars On Their Brows

-Tyrannosaurus rex

Re: Man-hating revenge-minded feminist wackos

Related article on the blurring of gender lines. This is what was and continues to be taught at Virginia Tech. And we wonder why Cho wasn't dating?


http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2007/m … 05-09.html

" The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it "

Ayn Rand

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Holy Sh*t! Shine on!
And people are getting degrees taking these courses?

Interesting that you should bring Cho into this.  I think it's
highly relevant.

TP

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I would like you to know Kato 3 that i was speaking of my perception of false teachers, false teachings and false followers in general [as well as of karen specifically] because they do exist everywhere.  I tried also to concede that a direct approach ilike mine on this occasion is not appropriate in all situations. For example a 'healer / client setting.  Other than that concession to you you didn't have to read yourself into my post.  I wrote it about Karen's work for whoever may happen along now and in the future. 

And i notice you are'nt shy in your judgements of me personally.

It is not heartless to point out if you see something wrong.  You're pointing out that i'm wrong but that doesn't make you heartless K3 or egotistical.  We are in dissagreement about Karen and i am not ashamed of the record i have left here.

24 (edited by lyra 2007-06-25 11:28:54)

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Since Karen Bishop is being discussed here, here's one thread that I found where people, including myself, were talking about their feelings about her site and work:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3574

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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