• Registered: 2007-06-21

Topic: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

Ok. I am not sure if there is an "official" name to call this.. I will relate what is happening and what I have been told so far which seems to make sense to me...but I'd like to hear other opinions and experiences if any.

My first astral/OBE experience was in 1991 and it was an accident.  That is, I was totally trying to do something else.  That was alright... but it was by far not a good experience.  Since then... for about 15 years and almost every night, once or more times per night I would have these experiences to where I would feel much pain and sound but nothing else.  I would hurt for days after.  This seems to have stopped last year when I was visited by a new friend to whom I relayed the experience.  When this visit by her happened (I was wake and she was sleeping a 1500 miles away at the time)... she came to me and touched me, then disappeared.  About a minute later, I looked over by my room door and saw an etherical looking erm...what may be described as a short alien (very etherical looking-like a ghost) that was waving to me (first time ever I have 'seen' one btw)... then was gone.

Now.  I have not had this happen on a regular basis at all.  However... the last few months...since I met the person I talk about in my Intro. and have mostly gotten away from it... this all is happening again whenever I try to consult my higher self about anything that may make my life better.

The way this phenomena was explained to me (and I assume we both are theorizing here) is that once I astral projected all those years ago, there has been something trying to "keep" me on the lower astral plane...and apparently lower than at one I am vibrating at, hence all the pain.  Which makes sense because since my dreams are mostly astral and I use them to consult angels and my higher self...I was hardly able to do that all these years, until I was touched by my friend.

Though... now... lilke last night I wanted to consult my higher self on a new book someone sent me.  I have just started reading the book and it's good...though I wanted to see if I could get an idea if what is in it is going to be beneficial to my life at this time.  That is, I have issues I am working out and am in need of immediate assistance and it is purported to be in this book.  (It's a book on magic btw) Anyway so last night I prepared as usual and consulted ...asked, if I will find my answer in the book and immediately was dragged down into what I now just keep describing as the lower densities.  There never are any images.  Only a paralyzed feeling, static sound and pain.  This time I was not anywhere near sleep when it happened.

Ok. So I have been working very hard on not reading things and then making them happen with my own head.  That is... not manifesting my fears and etc.  Actually this has happened a several times the more I stay away from this one person and the more I work on making my life better.  But I just put all this together this morning.  That is, the association between him and the reccurence of the experiences.

So I guess I am asking...has anyone experienced this?  Is there such a thing as being held down or drug down to lower densities like this?

Experience and theories are welcome...as I a still trying to discern if these are "tricks" used by erm..whatever...to keep me from progressing in my life or if it's myself doing it...or... I am not sure what.

Thanks.

ElizabethIII's Website

  • From: Colorado
  • Registered: 2007-05-07

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

Hi Elizabeth.  Seems like you're having some problems with some things that by all rights should be joyful experiences.   Both connecting to your Higher Self and traveling beyond your physical body shouldn't be that hard or harsh.  But I know there are often interferences from others that can cause some trauma when we attempt them.  If there is someone on this plane who has established an etheric connection to you and is using it to influence your experiences, it is a relatively easy task to sever the cord between the two of you, and thus break off this person's means of influencing you.  Here is a link to a short description of a very effective technique for cutting cords using a stone called Kyanite.  I have to say, though, that the Kyanite is not absolutely essential for this to work.  The routine will work without it if you can't get any.  But the Kyanite makes it a lot more fun!

http://www.lightarian.com/newsletter/ne … lBlessings

This will also work to sever connections that Etheric beings have made to you.   These guys really are not as powerful as some of us make them out to be.  Their main strength lies in subterfuge and staying invisible to your notice.  We tend to forget just how powerful we are and just how much control we have if we are just willing to accept the Truth of it.

Which brings up the subject of connecting to your Higher Self.  You have a wonderful advantage in being able to do this, since you are used to being consciously out of your physical body.  Here is a suggestion from a book titled, The Secret of the Soul, by William Buhlman.  Next time you are out-of-body, simply give the command in a very forceful voice, "Higher Self, NOW!"  Then stay open to experience the connection being opened up.  This results in a most beautiful, complete experience.

So just a couple of suggestions that I hope can help you!

  • Registered: 2006-09-09

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

I've been having the same sort of experience for about three years now. It's taken me a long time and alot of contemplation to figure out what is going on, but it SEEMS that each time I try to leave my body in an OBE, it isn't long before I am attacked by elements of the dream turning on me. When I wake, I am paralyzed and there are usually these entities above my head, floating over me. They look like etheric squids, or cuttlefish.
  I'm at the point when I can really feel when they are taking over the dream, as if I sense they are near. Several times in a dream, I've turned around and FACED them and they have just dissapeared.
  So yeah, I'm at the point where I figure there something is dragging me down into the lower astral or something.

  • From: Colorado
  • Registered: 2007-05-07

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

I am sure there are a lot of members of this forum who can contribute methods of automatic self-protection that can be employed to protect oneself from these kind of attacks.  Which ones you choose is just a matter of personal preference.  One thing that I have done over time is to visualize a tube of blue light surrounding me, especially around my abdominal area. (moving through blue light is like trying to move through taffy for these negative beings).   Place the power of etheric lightning within the field of blue by either visualizing it there, or commanding it to be there.  Then give the command that the lightning will automatically blow the stuffing out of any negative entity or energy that attempts to approach you.  After you have visualized and commanded this for a few days, it will be a relatively permanent and automatic protection that will serve you as the need arises--without you even having to be aware of it.  You might want to take the time to strengthen it periodically.  Another little technique that is very easy and powerful is to place a cloth that has been wet with a couple of drops of Sweet Orange essential oil beside your pillow before you fall asleep.  Sweet orange=sweet dreams!:)

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Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

the best self protection is to imagine yourself in your Heart/ heart chakra  and your doing everything out of that safe place.
they can't harm you if you do everything from that place.  You can do any other self protection exercises, but only after you imagine yourself in your heart/ heart chakra.  It's the most important thing to self protection I've found, and it always works.

6 Reply by ElizabethIII (edited by ElizabethIII 2007-06-23 13:02:12)

  • Registered: 2007-06-21

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

Windrunner wrote:

Here is a link to a short description of a very effective technique for cutting cords using a stone called Kyanite.  I have to say, though, that the Kyanite is not absolutely essential for this to work.  The routine will work without it if you can't get any.  But the Kyanite makes it a lot more fun!

Cool. Thanks. I have used a few cord cutting rituals/visualizations but so far... things seem to help but I continue to use them when I can and it's not getting better.  Hopefully this and anything else anyone has posted will help....because I will be doing them.   What do you think may be a decent substitute for the Kyanite? Possibly an apache tear? mebe?

GreyCat wrote:

I've been having the same sort of experience for about three years now. It's taken me a long time and alot of contemplation to figure out what is going on, but it SEEMS that each time I try to leave my body in an OBE, it isn't long before I am attacked by elements of the dream turning on me. When I wake, I am paralyzed and there are usually these entities above my head, floating over me. They look like etheric squids, or cuttlefish.

Ah wow... that seems very similar yest...though I do not try to OBE or go astral and I don't see or feel entities.  Half the time I'm not anywhere near sleep when it happens now... at least not last night.

Hopefully some of the things people are posting here will help you too! big_smile

Oh Windrunner... your tube of blue light seems similar to my blue and purple flames.  Very cool.  It all used to work very well but I think the issue with this now for me must be because it got such a good hold without me being aware of it.  Plus I had stopped doing any magic or energy or angel work.  So.. yeah kinda my own fault.

Thank you also, SamIAm.  That is another important thing to remember.


I do have to say I have good news to report though... when Windrunner posted about the mineral exercise, I did manage to go grab a handful of stones and get out of the house today....and my friend who sent me the book also was able to talk to me today and I was able to share this with him as well.... erm.. he doesn't go for the whole "energy" gig lol  but he is very understanding.  In any case... between just being here and reading this forum, my new book and our conversation I feel a lot better already.

So.. I"m putting this all into practice...just so you all know.  And thank you all so much.  I have a good feeling that I will feel much better and be through this soon.  hah.  I haven't felt this uplifted for several months... thank you all again. big_smile

ElizabethIII's Website

  • Registered: 2006-09-28

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

GreyCat wrote:

I've been having the same sort of experience for about three years now. It's taken me a long time and alot of contemplation to figure out what is going on, but it SEEMS that each time I try to leave my body in an OBE, it isn't long before I am attacked by elements of the dream turning on me. When I wake, I am paralyzed and there are usually these entities above my head, floating over me. They look like etheric squids, or cuttlefish.
  I'm at the point when I can really feel when they are taking over the dream, as if I sense they are near. Several times in a dream, I've turned around and FACED them and they have just dissapeared.
  So yeah, I'm at the point where I figure there something is dragging me down into the lower astral or something.

Interesting how you mention these entities above your head after experiencing something like this.

One time I awoke and there was this static field around my body. I couldn't see or hear anything. Once it faded away and I was able to sense, if you will, I looked up and above my head were three small, etheric cloud-like things circling.

"There cannot be progress without expression. There cannot be expression without separation. There cannot be separation without progress."-Ouroboros
  • From: Denver
  • Registered: 2005-08-02

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

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  • Registered: 2006-09-09

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

I've been dealing with these things for a while now and I HAVE seen them in the etheric up close and personal. They are not fun at first, but you learn to deal.

   I don't want to be a rabble rouser, but visualization often times doesn't work.

   These are STS creatures, meaning they will try to take the maxium amount of energy with the minnium of knowledge givin of thier true state. Initially I reacted in fear, which is like candy to them. Then I got mad, which often helps as emotions are powerful, especially defiance. But eventually you cease to be mad and then calmly, both defiant and interested in knowing who and what they are, you move on. At this point, when you just LOOK at them, they vanish. Every encounter I have had is burned into my mind. When it happens enough, you try to glean as much as you can from even the smallest of observations. And each time they hit you, you learn a little bit more about what they are. This they really don't like.
  They will still harrow you, but alot of the initial fight is over as you are no longer candy. No more fear.
  If you have will and intention, you don't need to picture a light over your body. Your light is who and what you are, where you have been, and what you represent. I believe that would be the frequency you emit and it's burning all the time.
  This is the hardest thing to develop, as it takes years of intention with all the experiences and interactions you have in your life. Each one is an imprint on your soul. When you face these things, and I have done this fifty times or more already, the whole of you faces them...

  • Registered: 2007-06-21

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

Thanks for the links SiriArc

Greycat.... hmmm I just wonder how close our experiences really are now.  I have tried what you mention, such as being angry, and then relaxing... and just going with the flow.  Neither of these seem to help me when I go through this for the past decade +.  I've tried speaking to whatever it is...as I do channel quite well...usually all I get is a headfull of sound like waves or intense static...few times I have woken with nosebleeds or bad earaches ...I'm still hurting from the  night before last...my whole body aches....I don't know if that's just from my muscles clenching or what. It's awful. 

I did have one time that it happened a few months ago where I did see an image but the image looked fake and it was like looking at a computer screensaver...a black field with rows of faces on them, it was all very fake-looking and it kept getting closer to me.  In my head, I said, "Wait a minute, what the heck is this? This does not happen, you cannot do this to me...then I laughed at the ridiculousness of it." And the experience stopped.  I thought that was very cool.  That was really the first time I felt like I made it stop.  But now... I'm back with the pain and noise without anything to focus on? I guess.. I dunno.  I tried the same thing the night before last..it didn't last as long, but the effects are just as real.

Anyway last night nothing happened, though I didn't try to ask angels or HC for any advice...plus I fell asleep with my hand on my dog...that always seems to keep whatever it is from happening...if I have my hand on another living thing.

What seems to be so difficult in pinning this sort of thing down is that everyone's perception is different.  What seems like one thing to one person, seems like something else to another though they may be the same thing.

Oh ya... I may go on for a few days about this or other things... trust that I am following advice.  Sometimes..okay well all the time... I read new information and cannot seem to relate to it and etc...but I get all this info. and somewhere I guess my subconscious works on putting all the correlations together and etc....then soon it kind of all meshes together and an understanding is formed.  I have taken this approach since I started meditating about 18 years ago... it's just how it works.  But without new info I somewhat get into ruts and get confused when new experiences happen or things that have worked in the past fail to do so. 

So just know that I am taking advice and I am reading, even if my words do not seem to reflect that.  I know it will all come together for me soon...I just need to keep getting information on things like this.

ElizabethIII's Website

  • Registered: 2006-09-28

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

SiriArc, what about 555?

"There cannot be progress without expression. There cannot be expression without separation. There cannot be separation without progress."-Ouroboros

12 Reply by Windrunner (edited by Windrunner 2007-06-24 07:33:54)

  • From: Colorado
  • Registered: 2007-05-07

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

Greycat said:

"If you have will and intention, you don't need to picture a light over your body. Your light is who and what you are, where you have been, and what you represent. I believe that would be the frequency you emit and it's burning all the time"

I totally agree that your light is who you are.  You can use the will and intention to change your frequency, intensity, vibration of your light, as well as to ascribe certain specific purposes to it.  This is what the technique that I described is doing--using a part of what you are to accomplish a specific task.   I don't see this as any kind of a denial of who you are, if that is what you were thinking, but rather as a confirmation of the truth of your being.

  • Registered: 2006-09-09

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

Windrunner wrote:

I totally agree that your light is who you are.  You can use the will and intention to change your frequency, intensity, vibration of your light, as well as to ascribe certain specific purposes to it.  This is what the technique that I described is doing--using a part of what you are to accomplish a specific task.   I don't see this as any kind of a denial of who you are, if that is what you were thinking, but rather as a confirmation of the truth of your being.

Indeed. I was just making sure as there are alot of folk out there that seem to think it has more to do with picturing this light like it's some sort of video game projection. This is particularly rampant among teenagers interested in new age or magical practices. So they THINK they are getting some sort of protection, but they are actually digger a deeper hole...

  Liz, you are right, that everyone's perception is different hence the need for different practices and ways of dealing with these sort of attacks. Like you, they are quite real for me. And we have very similar experiences. I have heard this static sound many many times before. It's such an odd sound, like a microchip gone wrong or the sound of old modems gone wrong.
  The conclusion I have come to is that there is really nothing much we can do about it at this point. I picture my physical vehicle as a rat in a cage, in a dark room. Every now and again, a scientist will stick an electric rod in, behind the rats back and poke him with it. Then to poor rat jumps and faces the rod, but it's no longer there, it's behind him again. But with each experiene, the rat learns a little more. The poor thing has lots of time to think about the whole thing so he recognises patters of when the attacks come, and even the occasional flash of a scientists white robes in the dark. But there is still so very very much he doensn't know.

I've faught these things off, facing them head on with everything I had, and thought myself rid of them. And then a month later they are back, having woven thier way back into my aura when I'm too haggard to fight against it. So there for me at least is no winning, per say, just LEARNINIG.
  But feel free to share the experiences and I at least will give my input.
  There might be some posts on this sight about the experience I have had. If not, alot of them are on the SOTT forum, which I was kicked off of for being cheeky.
   I can't deny that I'm a cheeky monkey.
   Good luck. Fight the good fight! I am enjoying the midnight sun in Norway!

  • From: Colorado
  • Registered: 2007-05-07

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

Just a little inspirational quote from one of the Matrix movies:

"I believe deep down, we both want this world to change. I believe that the Matrix can remain our cage or it can become our chrysalis, that's what you helped me to understand. That to be free, truly free, you cannot change your cage. You have to change yourself. When I used to look out at this world, all I could see was its edges, its boundaries, its rules and controls, its leaders and laws. But now, I see another world. A different world where all things are possible. A world of hope. Of peace. I can't tell you how to get there, but I know if you can free our mind, you'll find the way." Neo

I love this.

  • From: Denver
  • Registered: 2005-08-02

Re: Lower plane/dimension astral projection?

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I believe that the Matrix can remain our cage or it can become our chrysalis, that's what you helped me to understand. That to be free, truly free, you cannot change your cage. You have to change yourself.


But now, I see another world. A different world where all things are possible. A world of hope. Of peace. I can't tell you how to get there, but I know if you can free our mind, you'll find the way.

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