do any of you actually believe in Karma & Reincarnation? (Page 1 of 6)

I myself realize that they are the rules of the matrix/dark creation and I don't intend to be bound by them anymore. They just keep an endless supply of loosh I'm sure.

Do I believe in it?

I kind of had no choice considering I came into this life at the age of 1, 2 years old with memories and holdovers from the last one.

So for you lyra, it's not a belief- but a firmly held fact. Is that subject to change?

What I mean is, is it possible that was a belief from a previous existence, and you had the option of staying course, or meandering a little.

And, is reincarnation what you desire this time around, or do you feel like you want to skip track?

I am especially curious because most people will say they believe in R without having proof as you seem to.                 J

Nothing is truly ever a firmly held fact for me.....I've seen too much weirdness to fully trust ANYTHING going on here in this place.     

I'm confused.   Having a previous incarnation or persona that you remember isn't a choice or an option, it just is....

Apparently I don't care much for being here and only come here kicking and screaming because I'm supposedly suffering from "amnesia."  Here's what I posted awhile ago in another thread:

Or even better, they don't believe in it solely because their church/bible now preaches that reincarnation is not legit, as was the case with some people on a message board forum I used to post to back in 2002 - 2003.      I used to post on this forum that was mainly centered on conspiracy/current events, but with a Catholic/religious flavor thrown in, including bible code stuff, and boy did we have quite the thread going about reincarnation.  !!!  That forum was flipping crazy anyway, nothing even remotely like this forum, and so a chunk of people posting in that particular thread were really trying to lay into me and go after me because I kept maintaining that A) Reincarnation used to be a part of their church doctrine until the church wrote it out of the bible around 300 AD in order to gain the upper hand on the population, and B) The only reason they (the die hard Catholic/Christian forum members who were attacking me) believe the things they believe is because they were programmed - brainwashed - to believe it by their parents, whereas I arrived here remembering things about my last life and persona, and I was the one telling my parents all about how things were.  "When I was a little boy I did this..."  "I did that....."  I was telling them all about how "when I was a little boy," I guess making comparisons between this current childhood and that one.  There were other even more flagrant things, stuff I don't feel like getting into right now, I'll have to think about whether I want to talk about it or not.  But my argument on that forum was they believe their religious doctrine, including the fact that reincarnation isn't real, only because they were TOLD to believe it.  Me?   Nobody ever told me anything.  I already knew how it was.   I remember being five years old and standing next to my dad who was sitting at the kitchen table on a sunny weekend morning, telling me what he thinks happens when we die.  He explained thoughtfully, eyes gazing off into the air, about how when we do bad things in life it leaves a black mark on our soul.  Then when we die we get judged, and all our black marks are tallied up.  If you have too many, you go to hell.  !

You'd think that me being age 5 would be pretty alarmed at hearing this.  But no.  I stood there calmly listening to this, and I remember thinking "That's not true."  And then having the attitude that it was interesting that Daddy believes that.  (shrug.)    I just knew that what he was saying was not true, but I was so calm and matter-of-fact and nonchalant about it, like I was the adult and he was the child and I was humoring him!   I only recently figured out while reading a Mary Summer Rain book that the whole "black marks on the soul being tallied up" thing is totally a Catholic belief, since Mary was raised Catholic and was always being chastised about "black marks on her soul!!!!"   My dad had been raised Catholic, going to Parochial school until 8th grade, so, there you go.   But the kicker was.......................he believed in reincarnation, against what his religion had preached to him.  Because he too had past life memories that he couldn't deny.   It wasn't even a question to him about whether past lives were real.   He remembered them, period.  (so it's kind of a contradiction that he would then fall for the catholic programming, but he did, kind of having a split mind about it all.)

As far as the people who do believe in reincarnation without any proof - I don't know, can't speak for them.  For me I'd have to see some sort of something to give me some basic foundation before I'd just believe in something.  But like I said.....despite whatever proof I may have, I will still never fully trust what I think I know about what's going on in this reality, ever.   !

I guess this is where I'm getting confused - what do you mean when you keep referencing changing courses, stuff set in stone?  What are we talking about here? 

Bound to repeat what?  You mean...come back here?   If that's what you mean, then I guess I'd have to say that no, I'm not up for another return trip - but at the same time, I wonder where the hell else I'm supposed to go in the meantime!    And that's probably something a lot of people who have past life memories wonder when they're not too keen on a return trip.....where do we go instead?   How do we get out of here and where are we even going??   It's hard to have motivation to "wake up" when one doesn't even know where they're supposed to be going in the first place.  That's something I was talking to an NR member on the phone about recently in fact. 

And the whole amnesia thing...it's a huge can of worms, there are several different ways that can be interpreted, and I've gone round and round about it trying to decipher it....

I don't think reincarnation is a mechanism of evil at all - it's possible for us to break free of the cycle. I believe that we keep reincarnating on Earth because we still have attachments to the physical plane, or because there are lessons we have yet to learn here. I think most people would see that that applies to them, if they took an honest look inside themselves.

I'm indifferent to R and K. Whether they exist or not doesn't negate my responsibility to now. Being able to remember past lives I would hope would help with growth and progression now - if I do nothing with that knowledge it's of no benefit. However once I'm awake whether I remember or not it's my responsibility if change occurs or not. Either way it's a matter of what I do.

Karma I think happens. I think it stems more from intent than actions(though they usually are linked together). However I think there is a point you can grow to where you can stave off the need to "pay back" for awhile. I also think there is a point of development where you can negate it's need to be paid back-at least by you.