Hello from a skeptical atheist (Do Reptilians Exist?) (Page 3 of 4)

Making rude remarks about, and questioning the sanity of, a person whose beliefs are different from your own will get you nowhere, least of all on these forums.

So verbose, yet so meaningless. Can you prove that there is no God? Your claim that God does not exist IS a belief, an opinion, no different to the belief that he/it DOES exist. How about we go beyond beliefs, science & ego delusions? The human mind can convince itself of anything, doubt anything, prove anything if it thinks about it enough. The mind is so arrogant, it can even purport to know everything, that there is nothing beyond what we perceive with our senses. Is it possible to accept that you do NOT know everything? That something might exist beyond the physical plane?

Consider that everything is energy, vibrating at different frequencies. Our physical senses can perceive only a limited range of frequencies. The physical world of matter is dense, has a low vibration. Could there be realms beyond the physical, which occupy the same space but simply vibrate at a higher frequency and thus are imperceptible to us in our limited, mind-based state of consciousness?

Ignore all this if you want, if it's not scientific or rational enough for you, or if you think I'm not "psychologically healthy" or "mature". It's not my job to convince you of anything. I just get irritated by the arrogance, pride & closed-mindedness that are prevalent in society today, so many people who live in their minds, judging & analysing, denying that something exists if they can't see it, depending on science for all the answers. Refuse to look at, and possibly change, your beliefs, and you only limit your self!

I believe it is important to consider that the ego has a lot of trouble letting go of old beliefs.  It is hard to accept many of these conspiracies at a first, second, or even tenth glance.  As Montalk somewhat stated it is only after repeatedly running into a concept over an over that your ego begins to have trouble convincing you that it is not just being stubborn in disbelieving.  I have doubted almost every one of these higher conspiracy theories upon first becoming aware of them.  However only with time and repeated research, do the puzzle pieces begin to fit.  Anyone who is confronted with something before their ego is comfortable letting go will lash out rather then accepting a perceived insult.  If we are to make headway in bringing these concepts into the light, it is important to remember how the ego operates before we drive potential allies in this game away.   That being said, don't listen to me, do whatever you feel is right.

If you take a look outside -- you'll see a full moon about to happen (31st of May) -- and those of us who have been here for any length of time are aware of what that can bring -- so -- heads up <grin> and don't get caught up ...

Christine

But you have to admit, something I've been thinking about lately, which Tom wrote about a couple of months ago I think - about how NR might have been dying a natural death, through possible OPs (this is all from memory, I may not be entirely correct, but it's the general gist). Ones who agree and smile and nod at everything that is said, so in the end, there are not productive posts, because there is no disagreement, no conflict, no meaty discussion. At least - as far as this subject goes, it's back.

I think though, I can sum up the general answer to skeptics of reptilians - this includes you Vaccime for this thread, but also to all other skeptics who lurk among us....

How can you provide evidence physically of something that is not physical to begin with? The reason most of us here believe what we believe isn't necessarily based on something physical we can hold. It's not always based on a memory, or event. It's usually based on intuition (can you even hold that? ) and a fundamental knowing that's deep inside us. It's individual yet collective, in the sense that you can't teach it, you can't show it to others, but those who possess it are drawn together, and generally understand each other. We are accountable to no one, and unlike religion, there are no dire consequences of not following what we know. You are free to think, believe, do whatever it is you like.

Yeah you're right, that FAQ was very informative! I'm now totally convinced that God does not exist. Thank you for opening my eyes. [/sarcasm]

BTW, my previous post was not about reptilians, it was about the existence of God, since you've made a big point of the fact you're atheist. And I'm not "too open-minded". I'm not gullible, I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinions, and I already said that I don't believe in the reptilian theory.

So then basically all this debating was founded on an incorrect base assumption - whether Reps are physical or not.  You assumed they were.  People have been arguing from a place of understanding that they may be both.  It's always best for both sides to clarify the facts first of what exactly they're debating.  Make sure everybody is on the same page.  At the beginning of formal debates the terms are always defined. 

And they're right....it isn't anybody's job to convince anybody of anything.  But you're also twisting things around by failing to mention that they DID provide background information for you.  They didn't just say "It's not our job to convince you..." end of story.   Discussion dies.   Crickets chirp.  The end.

And they said that for good reason....after attempts at an honest and open, two-way discussion kept running into this exact attude/response tactic.

What you just did was to twist around the context of the reponse. Implying that this was the forum's immediate reaction to your first attempt at happy innocent plucky and peppy "HI GUYS! " inquiry, when in fact this response happened after 3 pages of back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. 

Putting words in somebody's mouth.  Nobody said that, nor was anybody implying that.   

BTW....The belief in Reptilians is NOT everybody's belief on NR.  You however are making up dialogue that lumps everybody into an "US vs. THEM" situation. Just because a few of the - 1000 member community as you put it - took the time to answer your initial post does not mean that these few people represent the entire forum.

You're insinuating that their attitude was "We don't have time to give coherent explanations".......when in fact you chose to reject those explanations.   Don't confuse your choice to reject the coherent explanations as being the same thing as the forum members not writing them in the first place. 

Many MANY so-called "skeptics" display this same attitude and make this same mistake - a believer in something will talk and explain til they're blue in the face about why and what they believe, meanwhile, the skeptic keeps rejecting every point or personal example, then gives the big triumphant conclusion that no coherent or acceptable explanations were given.   ?!?!   Basically saying "No amount of proof will be good enough because my mind's already made up."  They're the 180 polar opposite extreme of gullible naive believers.   Two sides of the same coin in terms of ludicrousness.
 

This is your personal sarcastic opinion add on, but it's definitely not what anybody in this thread ever said, nor what they implied.

I really do believe you're just game playing at this point.

Nobody in this thread said this.  More game playing sarcastic add ons and putting words in people's mouths that dodge the points that everybody here did make.

An easy, paint-by-numbers standard generic attack position. 

1.  First lump everybody into the same group, even if most of the forum doesn't believe in Reps.
2.  Label them "a cult!"
3.  Then triumphantly walk away, feeling better about yourself.

You can't do any better than to whip out the standard, paint-by-numbers "cult" response? 

Never mind the fact that you probably want to brush up on what the definition of "cult" actually is. 

It's always good to make sure you understand the terms that you're throwing around, so as to not look like a fool.  Googling "Definition of a cult" I came across the following Merriam-Webster definition http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?cult (you could have done the same prior to making loose references to Jim Jones):

1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : the object of such devotion c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

Other definitions of a cult mention the charismatic leader who essentially holds his followers hostage in some secluded compound using threats, brainwashing and manipulation.

Religion....worship.....ritual....cure of disease....charismatic abusive leader holding people hostage....great devotion....Noble Realms is a message board forum.  I don't see any religion or religious practices, curing of diseases, people being held captive (it's the internet....how could that be possible??)  or most importantly for what you were trying to say - "great devotion" to the subject of Reptilians.  ie, the subject of Reptilians being the core of the entire forum's purpose.  It's a chat board.  Covering over 50,000 topics. 

For somebody who prides themselves on being such a skeptical atheist, you could sure use a lesson in logic.  If you're going to be a keyboard warrior roaming around on the 'net crashing forums to debate atheistic points of view, being a representative of the atheist skeptical community in general, then at least be prepared.  Do your logic and debate homework.  Don't give yourself reason to be dismissed in the same way your targets are dismissed by you and your fellow skeptics.  Your responses are completely falling apart by this point, and in your last post alone we have:  taking things out of context, twisting things around/misconstruing what actually transpired, putting words into people's mouths, and lumping everybody into the same category. And that's just off the top of my head.

I was an atheist for three years, along with my ex.  He didn't believe in God........but he could at least be logical about it, and I learned a lot about the art of logic and debate during those three years.  (His flaws were that he would debate things that he happened to have personal experience with, going into denial about what he'd seen or been through, as well as the whole issue with no amount of proof or personal experience being good enough because his mind was already made up...despite claims to the contrary.)   But, he was careful to avoid the logical hiccups you've displayed here, and the kinds talked about in logic courses.

You might want to pick up a basic college textbook on logic in debate.  Then come back and try again.  Better luck next time.

I agree with you Nexus...

I just wanted to point out that there is no use to divide just because of ideas and point of views.
The guy who touched the elephant from head to tail has a bigger picture than the one who touched the feet, but why should they insult each others about it?

Besides, the "good" point of view is the one who works for you in this realm!

I know doctors who are very "close-minded" about the things we are talking on this forum, but they save lives everyday with their knowledge and point of view on disease (which most of us wouldn't agree on this forum)...

I think judging or categorizing people is very dangerous and not useful at all.

We can take what is good for us and leave what is not (I think that Montalk wrote that too), but that also means we can let people say what they believe, and leave them if they don't want to listen another version of the facts.
What's the need of putting a rope around his neck?