Re: implants

Lyra,

Ok, I obviously am getting a wrong impression here.  If the Cass are not aliens, what are they?  I thought they were greys of some kind.

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Re: implants

PuffAdddr wrote:

Lyra,

Ok, I obviously am getting a wrong impression here.  If the Cass are not aliens, what are they?  I thought they were greys of some kind.


They are most definately NOT Grays.   I would never endorse any material that was channelled "grays".   Grays are not positive, by any means.  They're all cybergenetic organisms.   Worker drones.   No souls.     

The C's, or Cassiopaeans, are supposed to be 6th density STO light beings.   They're supposed to be us, in the "future", what we'll eventually become when we move past 4th and 5th.   

The reference to the constellation Cassiopaea isn't where they live, as in, being "aliens from a distant planet", but rather, it was supposed to be the location in spacetime where they were able to transmit, or "get through the line", so to speak, at that particular juncture.  (the majority of the material was channeled in the 90's.)   They mentioned that in the future, (like around now....) the location would move into what we perceive as the constellation Leo. 

Which means, if Laura is still channeling them, she may or may not still be channelling the original C's.   It happened to Barbara Marciniak supposedly.   She started out channeling one thing, but over time, due to ego and the demands to keep producing material, she wound up channeling something else.   The channel became corrupted, and other stuff was getting through due to her becoming sloppy and not taking the necessary precautions to ensure a clean channel.   People who went to see her do her thing live were disappointed at what was coming out.  It supposedly wasn't anything like what was in "Bringers of the Dawn."

What's interesting though is that when I've conversed with what could be called my intuitive guide voice, or Higher Self, or whatever you want to call it, oftentimes it sounds just like.........the C's.   I've heard this from somebody else too, where they noticed that their intuitive guide often sounds suspiciously a LOT like the C's.   smile   I'm not saying that with me it IS the C's......but man, does it sound like them if I ever heard!    The same empathetic yet neutral tone of voice, helpfulness, and sometimes, giving a slightly different answer than what I expected.   

Very interesting indeed, considering the C's are supposed to be us, in the future....

If I had to pose a theory about that, about whether it could be the C's, what I think is this:   I think once you become open to the idea of your Higher Self, and you're reading material like the C's stuff, you connect to it.   It's able to start getting through the line, as long as you've invited it in.  10 years ago, I had no clue about this stuff, and "weird stuff" scared me.   I couldn't handle paranormal stuff.   I would have flipped my lid had some "intuitive guide voice" suddenly happened to me.   But I've seen and been through a lot of paranormal stuff in only the past 5 years, and so now I can handle it.    Now I'm cool with it and very relaxed and nonchalant.  So as a result, here it is, happening.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Montalk,

Your analogy about the big bad wolf is too funny. I have question about when you reached the level: little pig let me in...

Is this when they start trying to play into your greed? The symbolic pot of gold? And at the moment you surrender to this greed, it is when they 'are in' and can start the re-working...?

R.

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Reality wrote:

I have question about when you reached the level: little pig let me in...

Is this when they start trying to play into your greed? The symbolic pot of gold? And at the moment you surrender to this greed, it is when they 'are in' and can start the re-working...?

If greed is your weak point, then yes.  If pride or ego is your weakpoint, then they'll play on that. If you are easily offended, then you'll be insulted, etc...Whatever potentially works.

Whatever they gain, they reinvest in pulling you further in. It becomes a feedback cycle - you submit to the trap, get pulled in, which brings you toward a deeper trap. The only way to keep from entering this cycle, or to break out of it, is to recognize it's happening and put your foot down. They are reality hackers and know how to explot little vulnerabilities in order to get at larger vulnerabilities. Of course, these are all your vulnerabilities so you are responsible for what ultimately happens.

I've seen many examples of this weakening tactic being used on high profile or vulnerable targets -- it always works upon their weak spots, attacking it from outside, inside, above, and below.

The Ra material explains it well:

Ra wrote:

Nearly all positive channels and groups may be lessened in their positivity or rendered quite useless by what we may call the temptations offered by the fourth-density negative thought-forms. They may suggest many distortions towards specific information, towards the aggrandizement of the self, towards the flowering of the organization in some political, social, or fiscal way.

These distortions remove the focus from the One Infinite Source of love and light of which we are all messengers, humble and knowing that we, of ourselves, are but the tiniest portion of the Creator, a small part of a magnificent entirety of infinite intelligence.

The early fifth-density negative entity, if oriented towards maintaining cohesion as a social memory complex, may in its free will determine that the path to wisdom lies in the manipulation in exquisite propriety of all other-selves. It then, by virtue of its abilities in wisdom, is able to be the leader of fourth-density beings which are upon the road to wisdom by exploring the dimensions of love of self and understanding of self. These fifth-density entities see the creation as that which shall be put in order.

Dealing with a plane such as this third-density at this harvesting, it will see the mechanism of the call more clearly and have much less distortion towards plunder or manipulation by thoughts which are given to negatively oriented entities although in allowing this to occur and sending less wise entities to do this work, any successes redound to the leaders.

The fifth-density sees the difficulties posed by the light and in this way directs entities of this vibration to the seeking of targets of opportunity such as this one. If fourth-density temptations, shall we say, towards distortion of ego, etc. are not successful the fifth-density entity then thinks in terms of the removal of light.

Just curious...have you or anyone experienced any of this?

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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It's the little things that get me, it seems. "Death by a thousand cuts" is their approach at times.

For instance, I was in a store tonight buying a personal care item, and the clerk asked me a question about the item. It was an innocuous question, but I was tired from being in a car all day, and was ready to get home, so I said "I don't know." She was only trying to be friendly, I'm sure, so afterwards I felt that I wanted to say to her "I'm sorry I was short with you but I'm tired, etc."

Now, this is a subtle trick to play. With this tiny possible manipulation of the clerk (likely unbeknownst to her) they get a little "zap" in, because afterward she said "I guess you didn't read the box." Well, I did read the box, and knew what I was buying, but the sum total of the effect on the ego (my weak point) is like this : "Hey, you dummy. Don't you even know what you're buying? Are you that spaced out? Sad. You are really pitiful."

It's done when you're tired and/or preoccupied. They know what they are doing. They gear this harrassement  to you, attempting to create a personal hell.

To top it off, the man behind me was making me uncomfortable.He walked up just as she was asking me about the item I did not want a man to see me buying at that moment. Some of you gals know what I am talking about. Guys, there must be items you'd just assume buy when no women are around. The thing is , the more tired I am  the more self-conscious I become, and I'm already too self-conscious. So it's like a double whammy.

Then I felt stupid for even giving a damn. So, you see how the tiniest little thing, if I'm tired or unaware, can send me into a cascade of thoughts which ultimately balloon into a loosh-fest for them.

You would not believe, perhaps, some of the small mundane comments and events which have led me to near despair! And for what? It's strange to others, but when their particular weaknesses are pushed, they are just as liable to fall prey to these traps.

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Yeah, BUT the significant thing about it is that you were AWARE, so it seems that a "premature" harvest  occurred.  The loosh-fest didn't come to full fruition, got nipped in the bud before it could of escalated any further. 

For example, you may encounter all kinds of people who display some really negative passive aggressive behavior towards humanity in general.  I'ts an invite trap to push your buttons.  But rather than inadvertantly allowing oneself to succomb to such, just imagine those "buttons" are really mirror ones-just reflects back on the "sender."  Easier said than done, especially when the game level feels to jump many octaves beyond one's threshold sad  But the clencher is overall awareness of what is happening, and eventually wondering what am I supposed to get/learn from it all.  I'll admit I've done this kicking and screaming many a times, but it doesn't seem as difficult -but then again were always being challenged.

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

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Yes, they continue to "work on" us, even though we are aware. I forced them to abort their attempt by putting the brakes on my thought-triggers, but I know if had not gotten enough sleep or continued to indulge in negative thinking, they could have done some damage. I've learned this from falling for the tricks many times in the past.

It feels great to realize, however, that knowledge I've learned here and elswhere, constantly practiced (with occasional slip-ups since), developement of intuition, etc.
has finally sunk in to the point where I can do this.

If I did not know these things, I would probably make the same mistakes over and over and never think to question that I might not be the total cause. It takes a particular combination of inner vulnerabilities and outer button-pushing to create havoc. Having had some close calls, but finally being hep to my patterns and mistakes more than ever, I can beat them. They must be beat in true warrior fashion, as calmly as possible. As you said, easier said than done, but doable.

Once you are aware, they may attack you more in a bombardment style. But I'd rather be constantly under seige and true to myself and "noble", then settle for the semi-awake limbo that oppressed me for so long.

They and people may mock, but mockery of seekers is one of the last resorts of shriveled souls.

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i agree, zeetatalk is total disinformation, dont buy it!! greys are biological machines created by the reps so  they have no emotion or caring for us...plus that lady who said the rings in her eyes were implants, shes not to be trusted... just my intuition's voice....

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AwakeKiwi,

Welcome to Noble Realms!

AwakeKiwi wrote:

i agree, zeetatalk is total disinformation, dont buy it!! greys are biological machines created by the reps so  they have no emotion or caring for us...plus that lady who said the rings in her eyes were implants, shes not to be trusted... just my intuition's voice....

Heeheehee, intuitive indeed.  The woman is highly oriented to the acquirement of dinero, and empowered... this makes for a dicey dynamic; people will say and do strange, even selfish things for money.  Although I haven't seen or spoken to her in a few years... well, you couldn't pay me to trust her, and that's my intuition.  I definitely wouldn't ask her for directions "home", if you know what I mean. big_smile

Also, since you made a reference to a post on the first page, and didn't note who posted it this may become a confusing reference for others, especially on a multi-page thread such as this one.  The only reason I knew what it referred to was because I wrote it.  Applying quote tags becomes really easy once you do it once or twice, and  helps the flow of a multi-page topic to stay fluid.

On this page cameron explains the quote tagging process, it's the 8th post down the thread.  If you have further questions about quote tagging this page would be the place to ask them, myself or someone else will be happy to assist you.

http://montalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=70

The post that was referenced was this--

Auendove, pg. 1 wrote:

Has anyone ever seen an implant on another person?  I have, though only once.

A few years ago I went with a woman to a Guatemalan Shaman's home for a reading.  On the way home we stopped for coffee, we were sitting there talking and I told her that at one point when the shaman was talking to me I saw him change/shape shift from a 40ish Latin man to a 100ish Chinese man, different clothes and all (this I've seen happen with people a few times).  She told me I was very observant. 

Moments later she looked up at me from her cup and she all of the sudden had lilac circles/rims around the iris of her eyes.  This of course caused me to have a startled look on my face, her eyes were wicked looking, and when she asked what was wrong I told her what I was seeing.  She once again commented on my ability to observe, though a little more dryly than before, and told me that they were implants from aliens!  She is one who believes abductions and implants are a good thing.

I have been waiting patiently for somebody to comment on this particular post, but I never expected a response like AwakeKiwi's... vewee interesting. Seeing implants on another like this is of course what I want to converse about, but I do appreciate the well intended heads-up Awake.

It's very strange to see something like this on another, it was like looking into the eyes of a Star Trek character... or like being in a MIB movie, just little ole me rappin' with an undercover alien in a roadside coffee house... roll it's just not something one sees a whole lot of. 

How does this implant become apparent if it's not real? I know what I saw, but even more revealing SHE knew what I saw, and wasn't thrilled about that, HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN?

You see, it's the rare incidence like this that makes me want to stand on my head going coo-coo for cocoa puffs... not kwazy koo-koo, but rather alarming.  It's incidences like this that make me think the ideas of an alien agenda are actually manifest in our "reality", and are not a myth, not a psy-op experiment, not a falsehood, not a Jungian collective conscious psychosis. I'd rather believe it's any of these things besides what is to me obvious... implants are real, and they're not just microscopic tagging and monitoring chips.

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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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what about thousand year old psychological implants ?

you guys ever hear about things like this? not your usual, microchip alien implant, but a more subtle, psychological implant that can trigger across what seems to be lifetimes ... ?

you guys dont think anything is true about ZT ? i used to read that site all the time, everyday. i used to think it was the prime source for this alien and end times information .... then i started to see that it was corrupt... after i tried to communicate with 'Nancy' i got a very harsh response ... let me share;

i asked nancy about some events i had read in another book ( Nothing in this book is true, but its exactly how things are - Frissell ) and i asked if the zetas could comment on it. particularily about our upcoming shift to 4th, and if it would be diff. from previous shifts this time because of awareness we might shift much smoother, not as 'catastrophic' i guess youd say. I also asked about an event in Peru in 1975 (i think) i read about some Lady lifted some "ancient curse" and banished some of the Greys ....
well anyways i got a response like this from ZT:
"these arent mentioned anywhere in ZT. if they are not the views of ZT, then they are not true"

Geez! Harsh, isnt it?

thats when i started to doubt the validty of ZetaTalk... but i do still think some of the info is interesting, to say the least. especially their crop circle information and analysis... it seems to be very concise.

i think implants can be everywhere, even encoded in our DNA, dont u think ?

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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montalk wrote:

Lyra suggested we start a topic about implants, and I volunteered.  This is a big subject.

...

Other areas to discuss:

- alien implants for mind programming, emotional manipulation, and monitoring
- etheric implants, implants installed during soul rather than physical abductions
- supposedly beneficial implants, as mentioned by Anna Hayes and others.
- the idea of "removing implants" or flushing them out, some valid some not.
- how to deal with the influence of implants
- ear ringing as signs of monitoring
- silicone implants. just kidding about that one.

...Anyone else ever suspected or know they have one? Any thoughts on the matter?


I've been experiencing left ear "muting" followed immediately by tones, just as described by at least one other person in this thread.  This has been happening occasionally for a few years, though twice the last two nights while reading this forum.  I've also once in awhile noticed street lights going on or off, never thought much of it until tonight when I read here that others have been experiencing this as well -- and this last occured to me YESTERDAY NIGHT.  Spooooky.  A friend of mine who was with me actually commented on it... I'll have to ask him about that to see if it was an isolated incident from his own point of view.

I'd be very curious to hear from Tom or anyone else if any solutions have been found to eliminating this type of monitoring as well as electromagnetic/RF harrassment and abductions.  I don't think I'm an abductee but I have had at least 3 or 4 instances of waking up paralyzed in the middle of the night, and with entities in the room for sure on at least one occasion. 

I too, like another poster mentioned, "asked the night sky" in the past to have contact -- twice as a matter of fact, I believe.  Be careful what you wish for!!!  I'm revoking that permission verbally out loud, in no uncertain terms, for what it's worth.  Though I am still rather concerned about the "white light" transport/monitoring windows that apparently can appear anywhere at any time.  I just want to be left alone and not have to worry about night terrors. 

Any suggestions?

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Anyone here know anyone who has managed to "get them out"-imlants that is-or just locating them first to see if it is possible?

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

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manyeagles-- I stumbled upon a website about a year ago that was focused on removing implants from people and studying them. The website had just started up and they had already removed one (a very small metal cylinder) from a patient to study. The site was very professionally done and could've probably swayed the mind of a skeptic. I never thought to bookmark the site and I've been looking for it again ever since. It was something like implantproject.com or something. ARGh I just wish I could remember it. sad

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manyeagles wrote:

Anyone here know anyone who has managed to "get them out"-imlants that is-or just locating them first to see if it is possible?


Hi manyeagles,

I'm not a fan of Whitley Streiber, but I do know that he wrote a book a couple of years ago devoted soley to implants, featuring photos of various implants that have been removed from people, and their peresonal stories.   It's one place to look.   It's the only source I can think of offhand that actually shows photographs.   From what I remember, some of the implants looked like very thin, silicone slivers.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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zonabi wrote:

what about thousand year old psychological implants ?

you guys ever hear about things like this? not your usual, microchip alien implant, but a more subtle, psychological implant that can trigger across what seems to be lifetimes ... ?

you guys dont think anything is true about ZT ? i used to read that site all the time, everyday. i used to think it was the prime source for this alien and end times information .... then i started to see that it was corrupt... after i tried to communicate with 'Nancy' i got a very harsh response ... let me share;

i asked nancy about some events i had read in another book ( Nothing in this book is true, but its exactly how things are - Frissell ) and i asked if the zetas could comment on it. particularily about our upcoming shift to 4th, and if it would be diff. from previous shifts this time because of awareness we might shift much smoother, not as 'catastrophic' i guess youd say. I also asked about an event in Peru in 1975 (i think) i read about some Lady lifted some "ancient curse" and banished some of the Greys ....
well anyways i got a response like this from ZT:
"these arent mentioned anywhere in ZT. if they are not the views of ZT, then they are not true"

Geez! Harsh, isnt it?

thats when i started to doubt the validty of ZetaTalk... but i do still think some of the info is interesting, to say the least. especially their crop circle information and analysis... it seems to be very concise.

i think implants can be everywhere, even encoded in our DNA, dont u think ?

Hi Zonabi,

Cool post.  Thanks for the inside scoop on Zeta Talk.  I don't know about anybody else, but for me, I'm just skeptical of anybody who's channeling Grays.   Grays are like hive mind cyborg insects that abduct people and do nasty things.  Somehow, doesn't seem like a very trustworthy or valid source.   But that's just me......  wink   

As far as DNA implants are concerned......now THERE'S an interesting topic.   From what I've been learning the past few years, it seems to me that it would definitely be one way in which they discover people that they want to abduct.  Those who would either become positive trouble makers going against the grain and showing others the way out of the matrix, or those who are excellent candidates for becoming negative recruits to work on behalf of the STS'ers.   Think about it......They're abducting little kids.   Tots.   How do they "find" them before they're implanted?    I know someone personally who's been abducted by grays since he was a baby, still in a crib.    A baby.   Baby's aren't born with implants.......so...........how did they find him?   Or any of the other people they abduct starting as infants and toddlers?

DNA.   That has to be it.   DNA carries more than just reproduction genetic codes, it contains material that humans haven't even begun to understand.    But something advanced with the right technology could certainly tune in to it, in search of desired targets, both positive and negative.  They hone in on them, and begin taking them before they're old enough to talk.   There has to be something in terms of the soul "fingerprint" as well that "they" are reading.   It's probably a mixture of both physical DNA and the soul print.   And yes, that would enable them to follow someone around and harrass them lifetime after lifetime.....

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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