Topic: Sex

Now, I've heard many free-thinkers complain about sexual repression, and about religious indoctrination making people consider sex as shameful or dirty. Well, admittedly that has almost certainly been the case in the past, but I actually think it's exactly the opposite these days: "they" - TPTB, the media or whatever - are programming us to become obsessed with sex.

It's so blatant; television, films and other forms of media are pushing the boundaries in terms of sexually explicit material broadcast to the general population. Last night, there was a programme on TV (which I didn't watch, but heard about from people at school) in which a 26-year-old virgin was filmed being instructed in sexual etiquette by prostitutes in Amsterdam. Apparently, they actually showed this guy having sex with one of the prostitutes at the end, as well as other graphic sex acts. It's just plain voyeurism. Not only that, but the entire premise of the programme gave out the message that being a virgin/not having tons of sex = abnormal. Virginity is not a disease that needs to be "cured", so why is it considered as such? As if there isn't enough pressure on young people to lose it these days!

With that said, young people seem to be most susceptible to this cultural conditioning. I'm disgusted by the way my peers at school behave - they get drunk & sleep around at parties every weekend, openly discuss their masturbation habits, treat every situation as an opportunity for making sexual innuendo, watch graphic films with rape scenes in them and bring in videos on their mobile phones of people having sex with animals. And these are just the people in my year. Kids as young as 14 are going to parties and having sex, just so they can say they've done it. Yep, gossip gets around at my school.

Call me old-fashioned, but whatever happened to meaningful sex? Doing it because you love the other person, not just because you want to get rid of your virginity, fit in with your prurient friends or have a meaningless one-night stand? I disagree with some of the more extreme religious viewpoints which state that sex is inherently sinful, but I do think that it should only happen between two people who genuinely love each other and are committed to each other. In that respect, maybe religions are right to discourage sex before marriage.

I guess if you have a totally materialistic, hedonistic outlook, I can see why you wouldn't place much value in sex. After all, it's just a bit of fun, right? Hmmm. I read something once that said two people who have had sex have ties to each other in the higher dimensions for the rest of their lives, so there may actually be an unseen, ongoing connection long after sex itself has ended.

So, what are your interpretations of this? Why is this sexual obsession being programmed into us? Does it generate loosh? In the longer term, do such physical desires bind us to the earth plane, thereby keeping us trapped in the matrix? I'll be interested to hear your opinions on this. Thanks for reading.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

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I think it's all part of a program of sorts, even if we can't figure out the intended goal.  First, get people to repress their sexual desires, which in and of itself causes that natural energy to manifest in bizarre, perverted ways.  Then, do a 180 on them, cramming it down their throats everywhere they turn, making sure they still feel guilty about it on some level.  If people complain about it, call them prudes and tell them they're just not "open or aware" enough.  Get the idea?  Sick, isn't it?

3 (edited by lyra 2007-05-16 10:32:07)

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Yes, of course, it's an agenda.  If you're not familiar with the work of Henry Makow, he's always talking about this, and especially what the feminism/free sex/explicit nature of our world has done to the way males and females relate to each other nowadays, and how they view and treat themselves. 

http://www.savethemales.ca/

The menu is on the left side of the screen.  In particular, for what you're talking about, check out the sections called "Feminism" and "How Heterosexuality Works," as well as "Most Recent and Notable," which also includes articles on these topics.  I don't agree with everything he says, but overall his site fits exactly what you're talking about here.

(link to a long list of his articles too:  http://www.savethemales.ca/archives.html )

I think his material is an extremely important must-read for any aware young person trying to navigate their way through this crazy world.  He explains about the NWO, although not as well as other authors, but at least that material is included; as well as what the feminism movement has done to male-female relations and how it's contributed to the breakdown of the family unit, which then spills over into the rest of society; and then how sex has been completely inverted and perverted in this society....all by very calculated design.  Important stuff.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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4 (edited by Magical_Mongoose 2007-05-16 11:35:05)

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I was watching TV the other day and I realized that it's filled with "Get drunk and have sex" messaging. What ever happened to the days of doing peyote in a canyon and going on a vision quest? Where are the shows about that kind of stuff, truly thought provoking material that stirs the soul and gives you a good laugh?
There's a balance. While sex is obviously important, it shouldn't be an obsession. While it's important not to supress the sexual instinct, I do not think sex is essential for true empathy...in fact, it can be destructive and is often sought for selfish ends.
This is reminding me of a C transcript I read the other year...

Q: (L) Now, I was just reading in "Bringers of the Dawn" about male energy and female energy and it says: "We have said that the male vibration will transform in a very short period of time. We will not tell you why or how because some of you will consider it to be entirely too ominous, however, we will say that as the waves continue to come there will be a unilateral rising of consciousness within the population. At a certain point, when men are in the deepest point of mastering feeling, the feeling center will be activated. This will either occur gently or it will be blown wide open." What will be "entirely too ominous?"
A: Energy redirection.
Q: (L) Energy direction is going to happen and that is what you are saying is the ominous thing here?
A: Overview.
Q: (L) Well, what does energy direction specifically mean? What kind of energy?
A: Sexual.
Q: (L) And this is going to be the ominous event that would frighten people?
A: Repercussions.
Q: (L) What are the repercussions?
A: Many.
Q: (L) Could you tell us some of them?
A: First you must figure out answer to number one.
Q: (L) Well, sexual energy "redirected"; does this mean
women will stop having sex with men?
A: Not exactly.
Q: (L) Am I close?
A: Yes. Men will lose most of their drive in favor of more spiritual pursuits. It is the sex drive that is at the root of most of the historical aggression and lack of feeling on the part of the male.
Q: (L) Can we tell others?
A: Might cause turmoil but up to you.
Q: (L) I noticed that at about the same time I began meditating heavily that my drive plummeted. Is this because of the meditation?
A: Yes. Females will lose some drive too. But how will humans react to this, that is the question. Will they be prepared?
Q: (L) Does this mean that everybody is going to lose interest in sex?
A: Will have much less and must learn to relate to each other more spiritually.

So perhaps, the attempts by the current moguls of media to have us obsessed with sex is an attempt to supress this change within the energies that comprise the human being.

"Don't eat any wooden nickels."

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Yeah, there were a lot of stumbling blocks I found in reading his site.... like "it's natural for women to want to marry up... nurses marry doctors, etc."  Also the idea that not having children is some kind of bane to society.  As if our population isn't great enough already, we need more people.

6 (edited by lyra 2007-05-16 14:55:35)

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bodyandsoul wrote:

Lyra: Within a minute of reading the materials on that site I encountered enormous homophobia.  I sure hope you don't agree with that.  I am a homosexual, and I don't think homosexuals are to blame for the problems he is discussing.

lyra wrote:

I don't agree with everything he says, but overall his site fits exactly what you're talking about here.

Next time, how about fully reading what people post before responding.

Also, Henry Makow does not blame homosexuals for the problems he's discussing.  Next time, try actually reading a site for longer than "a minute" before forming highly skewed conclusions about what the site is all about and then jumping on a message board all indignant with ruffled feathers.  hmm

Think I'll go start another one of those threads that's been on my mind lately - the ego's insistence on getting offended.  Being sensitive and offended is a big one that a lot of people like to hang on to.  I'll tell you this - as a white, straight American female I've heard people out there either seriously, or under the guise of comedy, bashing Americans, women, straight people and whites.   Do I expect them to stop?  Do I expect that others stop agreeing with that?   Hell no.  We're all adults.  Everybody has a right to their point of view and beliefs, even if I don't happen to agree with it.   So call me strange and quirky, but not only can I listen objectively to people and their white/American/straight/female mocking commentary or outright bashing, but I can agree with some of their opinions and understand why they feel that way.  That's the way I am, and I've been that way since I was a kid.  The curious person looking back and forth between two figurative points of view, listening to both, understanding and appreciating both.  In order to do some of the writing I've done in my life I've had to be that way.  What, am I supposed to write characters who only agree and see my own point of view?  Am I supposed to write only about situations that I agree with?

For me to become indignant and offended by those who would bash or poke fun at whites, Americans, women or straights means I'm taking it personally. But I'm not invested in "labels" or "identity" that people want to attach to me.   They can bash women or white people or whatever all they want...doesn't mean I have to take it on. 

Here's something to ponder - I'm not homophobe - but theoretically, what if I DID agree with all of Makow's views?  Now what?  What would you do then?  I mean seriously, what?  You already said "I sure hope you don't agree with that."   Why?   (I will say this - I do agree with some of what he's saying about what's going on with homosexuality in our society nowadays.)   But who is anybody to tell another grown adult out there in the world, "I sure hope you don't agree with that" ?  Who are you to tell anybody what they should or shouldn't believe?  !   Let' s grow up a little, why don't we.   !


To paraphrase a famous phrase:

"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight for your right to say it."

Also, I'll point out the "irony of intolerance."  "I won't tolerate somebody being intolerant!!!" wink  I don't know if anybody has ever said that, so I can't attribute it as a quote from anybody in particular. 

It's a side topic in itself really.  I won't derail the thread by getting into it here.  I'll just leave off by reiterating that in terms of what Daisy is talking about here - the perversion of sex in our modern society - the Makow site has material on this, talking about the world agenda.  You may not like the rest of the site's material, but tough cookies.   I posted it because it has relevant info. for this discussion.


PS Edit:

New moon today.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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lyra wrote:

Think I'll go start another one of those threads that's been on my mind lately - the ego's insistence on getting offended.

Good idea. I think you should too. wink

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My sassy horoscope columns appear in a lot of gay newspapers, websites, and magazines, and so I've been a part of the gay media community for years now. As part of that, it's interesting to see some of the struggles that the gay media deals with. In some ways, it's not that different from straight media.

I see respected gay city newspapers trying to report on serious issues facing that community, and yet they're always running out of money unless they cater to the pornifcation culture that also is a subset of the gay world (and the straight world, too. Sex sells in all media.)  So they end up having to accept ads from hustlers and escorts and tranny hookers and also find that their readership goes way, way up if they include lots of pictures of hunky naked guys and stuff in the magazines and so forth (not that I personally object to that!  Yum!) smile

Anyway, I see that within the gay community as well as the straight community there is a LOT of stuff going on...a lot of subsets and layers and dysfunction. Writers like Makow can be very much on a "family values" rampage with some of their writing, which can be very anti-gay, anti- the liberated female, etc., but I think if you read between the lines of a lot of his material you'll see he has some  brilliant stuff about the NWO and the insidious societal programming experiments that have been thrust upon our culture, especially since the 1960's.  And a lot of it has to do with the manipulation of sexuality.

Like Lyra, I can see valid arguments on all sides of the equation, and I think that if you can tune out some of Makow's more 'mad dog" type rambling, there is some excellent stuff to ponder there.

In the gay culture there is such a sad emphasis on hot young gay men being studs and having overly sexual personae, and a serious lack of emphasis on bonding that is emotionally and spiritually deep, not just sexually satisfying. My gay male friends have all had real struggles with this. Many of them have been sex addicts at some point or another, drifting from hookup to hookup, because it's harder for men to achieve emotional intimacy ANYWAY (for many men, not ALL men smile and there is all of this heavy sexual pressure on gay men to look great, go to the gym, and appear 25 all the time. Sad stuff. 

You can step away from that part of gay culture, of course, and choose not to give it attention or energy, and remain focused on building quality relationships, but there is heavy saturation within the gay media that is more heavy duty hardcore porn based, which I find very sad.  It's sad from all sides. The newspapers and websites and magazines I write for often have to go underground with secret gay porn sites to actually be able to pay the bills so they can finance their "legitimate" projects which are more gay news and arts/culture based.  How messed up is that? That the gay community itself will still pay more money for publications with pornographic styles of ads and images and info, but at the same time it has real aspirations to express a social conscience and do great things on the planet, too. But the two agendas run opposite or against each other, creating quite a schizophrenic quality.

So I personally have seen those two forces -- the pornification of gay media and the more gay news/social issue side of gay media - at war with each other, and it speaks to some of the programming that ALL folks (straight and gay) absorbed with sexual freedom being thrown down our throats in the 60's.

As with all things, there is dark and light and play --I personally believe there is nothing wrong with being able to choose your sexual partners, use the PIll and other forms of contraception, or openly proclaim your love for a member of your same sex, which I think are the LIGHT side of things that came out of sexual freedom.

But there is some serious dark stuff too that Makow and other writers speak about, which really is about destroying the quality of intimacy, love, and caring in personal relationships, the erosion of the family, and the erosion of the human spirit into something more addiction-based than love-based.

Makow frames his ideas through his unique worldview, which you can either choose to embrace or ignore, but dont' throw the baby out with the bathwater in his writing.

I'm not big on his "women should all be having litters of children and cooking and cleaning all the time" theme, which he writes about repeatedly, but it doesn't offend me - because what is he doing to ME?  Nothing. He's just a writer expressing stuff. He's not imposing upon my personal freedoms or on me in any way. 

Like Lyra says, there is relevant info within his writing that shines a light on sexual issues within our culture, our youth, and both straight and gay communities. 

It's all just ideas, people, and stuff to consider.  Nobody is bashing anybody here.  I think you'll find this the LEAST bashing people sort of place, actually! smile

Carry on.

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

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Makow is far from homophobic. He is not denigrating any one group in his essays. He points out merely how they are used by the elites. There has been an assault on young women for decades now.'Rosie the riveter' was the initial image of this cultural shift. It's the core assault on the family unit. Drive women toward what is 'hip' and the social norm. People need to understand that nothing , I repeat nothing culturally is manifested by the masses. I watched a segment recently on the Today show about women over 40 who were hooking up. They had the ever present expert on hand to inquire as to how these women felt about this empowering dynamic that really wasn't available to them in their college years. Three of four were all on board with it and saw it as a 'good thing' . The one who relented ultimately was ridiculed by the others including the expert. So see, three of four have bought in and the other one who still today represents 75% of women is belittled.
   They want women chasing and preoccupied with sex as men have been inately for eternity. They want women lost in this chase to subvert their inate need to nurture. Adoptions and ferility clinics are a huge business now as a result of women realizing near the age of fourty that they have missed out. Maternity leaves, loss of taxable income, stable loving homes for children are not in the elites plans. They want women to lose their essense and thus their spirit. When the women are lost , there are no families.

'Oh foolish man ,what can you not be made to believe ?"- Adam Weishaupt

" The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it "

Ayn Rand

10 (edited by Pictus 2007-05-16 16:48:10)

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Magical_Mongoose wrote:

So perhaps, the attempts by the current moguls of media to have us obsessed with sex is an attempt to supress this change within the energies that comprise the human being.

That too!
Any way possible, by sex, by drugs, by food(bad food), by fear, by “HAARP” alike, by fake education
and the list goes on...:(

Bye, Pictus

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Heads up, if you have epilepsy DON'T click on Millenium's link!

Crap, heads up only works BEFORE the post....damn linear internet forum stylings!

BTW, this thread is fascinating, hear ye!

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From:

http://www.lightworker.com/beacons/2007 … Energy.php

The Coming Wave of Sexual Energy

We tell you that there are many things that are going to happen in the months ahead with humans, in general.  One, in particular, has begun already and will continue over the next two years.  There is an increased energy that will be felt in the physical body.  You feel Universal Energy all the time in your body.  Although you see yourselves as separate, you will now realize that you feel that you are connected. You are part of one another.  Your energy fields blend together. Even though you think you are an individual completely separate from everyone else, you are not and your energy cannot exist without others around you.  It is not possible to be alone in terms of energy; it  is only possible to be part of an energy flow.  That has been hidden from you by your own design of the veil. Now, we tell you are going to start feeling that more often.  You will feel it in your physical body.  As life force energy enters the physical body, you call it sexual energy yet, there are so many misunderstandings about sexual energy.  So much fear and confusion surround the belief systems you have connected to sexual energy. In a very short time this rug called Earth is going to experience a big carpet ripple; everyone will feel an increase of what you call sexual energy.  We ask you to release your belief systems about it and simply enjoy the ride. Forget about all the details of where you think you are going, what you need to do, what is right, and what is wrong.  Simply feel the energy.  It is energy.  That is all it is. It is an increase in life force energy and when it enters the physical body, you feel it as Kundalini or sexual energy.

It can be and has been used in many, many different ways, including as a creation tool.  There are however two major misdirections of sexual energy, or life force energy.  One is to use it for control and the other is repression. What you resist, persists. So as you repress or deny this energy, it builds a force behind it which gives it more force and more energy than it would normally have. You are finding that out in many of your own structures on Earth. Let it simply flow through you.  It is not going to hurt you.  It cannot hurt you. It is actually your life force energy and it feels good.  It is running through you because that is the energy that makes up Home.

Instead of going Home to experience this, you are bringing it to Earth.  You are creating heaven in your new incarnation in the new energy of Earth and that is what is what you are here for.  That was your highest hope and you have already surpassed it.

Sexual Energy Infusion Over the Next Two Years

There is no grand plan in place any more, dear ones.  There is no path for you to follow.  You are making it up with every step of every day and what a joy it is to watch you.  You do not understand that you are magical.  You do not understand that there is a part of you that is going to feel everything, and as you do everyone everywhere feels that energy.  Let it flow through you freely.

Know that there is actually an energy force that runs between every heart and bonds every heart together magically.  It is yours and it is connected with life force sexual energy.  Let it flow through.  Let it flow through your smile.  Let it flow through your every movement.  Just feel it when you touch another being, because that is what it is meant for.  That is actually the highest use of the life force energy.  It is to be passed along on a daily basis as you pass each other on the street, not restricted to an act of sex in a bedroom hidden behind closed doors for that is only one form of the sexual energy.  Sexual physical connections are only one way to let this energy flow through you.

Allowing the life force energy from Home to come Home to you helps you to re-member Home.  Over the next two years you will see an increase of that energy flowing through everything including your own body.  Imagine what it will be like to suddenly have a major increase in sexual energy.  Some will fall into fear.  Some will attempt to use it for control and some will try to suppress it, especially if they have unresolved issues associated with it.  The transition ahead will be much easier for each of you if you get comfortable with this energy now.  Many of you reading these words will be helping others to awaken and clear this energy, as the healers and teachers that you are.

The infusion of sexual energy will awaken and motivate each of you to reevaluate your own belief systems and look at everything from a higher perspective.  Take that opportunity and as you start feeling things in your own physical being that you have never felt before. Just enjoy the feeling of what and where that is. It is not that you need to take anything to an outcome or reach to a conclusion.  You are simply going to feel more life force energy coming through the new physical body that you are building as you rewire that is part of the rewiring process.

We will speak much more of the sexual energy as time moves forward because many things are changing and you will soon look at the importance of sexual energy with new eyes.  Many of your own belief systems and structures will change around this as well.  There is nothing you need to do except to know that it is coming and to work on releasing fears and restrictions in this area, for they will soon stand in your way.  Know that this is part of a natural change facing all of humanity.  Step into it. Own it. Feel it. Share it.  Many times the sexual energy comes stronger through a smile rather than the act of making love.  Feel that energy from Home and spread it around.

You are here with a very specific mission. Now that the physical body and the energetic body are changing and evolving to handle the higher vibration, the activations are in place; the Earth is changing.  The animal and plant kingdoms are changing. There are many more elements that you do not even know about, that are vibrational levels of other dimensions of time and space that fit within the realms of which we have just spoken.  All of it is evolving because it is just not humans -- it is everything including the angelic realms, including what you call Home.  It is all stepping up because of your choices. You are the ones that set this into motion.  Understand that when you read these books, listen to these messages or attend these seminars, the feelings that you experience are only uncovering the feelings in your own heart. We are not giving them to you, we are only reflecting your energy.  That is the magic.  We do not hold the magic; we reflect the magic.

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Poffo wrote:

Heads up, if you have epilepsy DON'T click on Millenium's link!

Crap, heads up only works BEFORE the post....damn linear internet forum stylings!

BTW, this thread is fascinating, hear ye!

Rebuttal of "Dispersion of Nonlinear Elements as a Source of Electromagnetic Shock Structure" (Sex)

lt is pointed out that if the classical method of weak solution is to be used for the solution of the problem, then it is necessary to include a resistive element of a sufficient magnitude. The solution so obtained is accurate under well-defined conditions, and among others, it can be shown that energy losses associated with the shock front can be accounted for by that resistance. However, it is inconsequential to assume that as the value of the resistive element is reduced to zero, the energy balance continues to hold. This requires a separate proof. An exact analysis based on a series of experimental results and computer modeling shows that the classical discrepancy can be accounted for in a different way.

To value linear writing over all other types of writing, to suggest that writing which isn’t linear isn’t worth reading or engaging with betrays a lack of familiarity with any writing that occurs outside of a White, western, mostly male framework. How's that for a we vs.them mentality of "assailing your betters" arrogance. Slant thinking Lives! BTW, I'm sure Henry Makow is a fine upstanding fellow or maybe another PORNO FREAK moral majority leader whose name is in the D.C. madams' little black book. I must go..time for cookies and my linear melt down nappie.

Moon Phase: http://blingworld.co.uk/swf/MoonPhase.swf

14 (edited by SeventhSojourn 2007-05-18 04:11:26)

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I'm in the middle of a book called "Saharasia:  The 4000 BC Origins of Child Abuse, Sex-Repression, Warfare and Social Violence in the Deserts of the Old World" by James DeMeo.  It is putting a lot of things in perspective for me.

I had always partially rejected Wilhelm Reich, thinking "who could ever think sex for children is a good thing?"  But sociology bears his theory out.  Cultures in this world (there are not many left) that have no violence and no sexual perversion allow children to have sex.  They do not have sex with adults, they have sex with other children.  There are no overpopulation issues for these cultures, because they know how to use herbal contraceptives.  Adults naturally pair off and marry.  Children are free to run their own lives, and spend a great deal of time together as a group without adult supervision.  Hmmm, why didn't I learn about this in school?

Our dysfunctional system depends a great deal on women's lack of control of contraceptives.  Even today, even though it is much better here in the states, contraceptives are issues by big business, and people do not know how to mix their own. 

So anyway, the deal with sex today as far as TPTB is 1) repress it, 2) create confusion about it by redirecting it in perverse ways, and 3) cause people to feel guilty about their "yicky" perverse sexual thoughts and drives, and 4) use this to control them.

Please don't feel guilty about any uncomfortable sexual feelings you find yourself with.  Work through them, but consider the possibility that you have been robbed of your normal physiological functioning.  It's been quite liberating, psychologically, for me.

15 (edited by Adama 2007-05-18 06:27:40)

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The best way (I think) to do a good thing with sex is to marry a woman you REALLY love and make everything to make it work. I think sex is meant to do children. I wonder when we forgot that.
Imagine a cvillization taking all of their decision in a football game, making all of their entertainment playing football or some kind of derivation from the original game, imagine people only mating and making friendship about their level of football abilities. Imagine all these debates about good football and bad football, all these wars and troubles because of football.
And then imagine one guy saying: "I remember that this was originally a game to have fun".

This guy will look so "unfashion"... :-)


IT IS ALL ABOUT FAMILY!!!

Family is the cement of EVERYTHING in this world!
A child without good love and caring around him will reproduce exactly the same thing.

Use your sexual thrive to do anything else than a happy and growing family and you have, guess what: THE NWO DREAM SOCIETY!

Happiness come from a happy family, there is no secret about that!

Most of us never knew that, our parents being too occupied building their non sense career or struggling to have enough money to raise us!

Destroy family and you have an entire population of slaves addicted to sex and entertainement.