16 (edited by Pinkrlyq 2007-05-05 15:18:08)

Re: OP or non-souled children

This is a really interesting thread that I'm enjoying reading because I've been trying to figure out the same type of thing because of current (and past) events within my own family.

My brother (who's 4 yrs older than me) began having "panic attacks" a few months ago, where he was unable to breath for no reason at all, at any time of the day or night (even while asleep).  He's now, unfortunately, taking medication and has to see a shrink to manage it.  I have my own thoughts on what's going on with him.....  Before I get into lengthy examples, I should say that he told me that when he was 9 yrs old, one day while he and I were playing around with the piano/organ, he felt an invisible "hand" reach into his chest (around his heart chakra, I'm thinking) and (in his words) "pulled out my soul", leaving him feeling "empty" and "lonely".  He said he never actually saw this thing, but felt certain that it somehow removed his soul, and he still believes that when he dies he doesn't have a soul to travel beyond this earth anymore.

He's only recently admitted that he had violent thoughts ever since he can remember, and there were quite a few things from his childhood to confirm that, too.  When he was only 2yrs old, he took our dad's fishing line and made a very complex "booby-trap" in my grandmother's family room in a very short amount of time.  It was laid-out so that the trigger was to have been when someone opened the door to the apartment, the closing of the door again would draw the line just taught enough so when anyone walked near the couch, they'd trip on the line, the floor lamp would land on top of them and pull a chair with it when it fell, and finally, turn on the television set.  Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention, that he also tied the line to a large pair of scissors too, hoping to impale the victim somewhere along the way.  He admits that he knew (even at that early an age) what he was doing.  (btw, my mom and grandmother were out on the porch, knitting, at the time, in case you were wondering why no one was watching him.  although, it only took him about 20 minutes to do the whole thing anyway)

When he started school, if another kid would tease him or pick on him, he wouldn't tell anyone about it, but later, when he was alone in his room, he would think of ways to "hurt" them.  He'd fantisize about skinning them alive (and where to start first), disembowling them, flaying them, etc, etc.  Thank god he never had the nerve to carry through with it.

When he was 9 and I was 5, we moved to a small town farther north of Chicago because my parents were worried about us going to school in the city with all the gangs coming in.  My brother only got worse.  He was horrid to me, as well.  I, on the other hand, was always a happy, rolly-polly, kid.  We were pretty much polar-opposites of each other.  He would tease me (as all siblings do), but he had an "evil" streak and would delight in causing me physical harm whenever possible and then twist the story to my parents so that I was always somehow to blame and got punished.  (like the time he burned my hand by focusing sun through a magnifying glass, holding me down and telling me to shut up because I was going to get us both in trouble with my pathetic crying, and I was the one who got in trouble in the end somehow) 

When we first moved to the country, we had a "problem" with way too many chipmunks.  They were digging their tunnels and sinking our patio and sidewalks, so my brother delighted in the opportunity to thin down their population.  He was meticulous about keeping records.  He would document the date, what kind of bait was used (in the rat traps), how long death took (if he could witness it), how many he killed each day, etc.  But that wasn't enough for him.  He wanted "souvenirs"... He took an old pot, a hot plate, and a razor blade..... He skinned the chipmunks and boiled the skulls.... He never seemed to be happy with the skulls because they weren't "perfect".  He also wanted to reconstruct the entire skeleton, but we ran short of chipmunks.

He also liked to concoct chemical mixtures (that thank god he never killed anyone with).  I later found whole jars of arsenic, that he'd made when he was a kid, when I was cleaning out the basement one time.  I also found something (I cringe to speculate what it ever originally was) long dead and decaying, suspended in some kind of gelatenous blue-green fluid.  It was like a freaky X-Files kind of thing!  I doubt my parents were really ever fully aware of most of the things he got up to.  He was extremely good at playing innocent and manipulating them.

Now, as adults, he feels a lot of remorse for certain things and really is trying to be a better person..... And it seems that that's when the panic attacks began to kick in.

I see all the ideas about bad parenting, toxins in the food/water, learned behavior, and such, and all are very good and valid points.  But, from my experience, those are not the only factors.  My brother and I have the same parents, were raised in the same house in the same way, grew up in the same community, went to the same schools, ate and drank the same stuff.... and we're spiritually diametrically opposed to one another.  Granted, there's a lot of freaky, "paranormal" shit that surrounds the entire family and I'm positive that has been the major factor for the decision of who incarnated into the family, but I still think that kids can just be born with a soul that is negatively aligned with the spiritual world.

Sorry for this monsterously long post.... but I thought I'd toss my two cents of experience in.

[Edit]:  One last thing I forgot to mention is that it seems that many "serial killers" have above average intelligence and many times come from perfectly normal, loving families.  Interestingly, as well, they often times have an extra "X" chromosome, known as Klinefelter's Syndrome.  I'm just mentioning that to show that some "evil souls" aren't always a result of poor intelligence or lack of a loving environment.  I'm pretty darn sure that no one in my family has an extra chromosome, though! wink

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." ~ Mark Twain

17 (edited by 4dwannabe 2007-05-05 17:58:37)

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Very  informative post Pinkrlyq and not too long at all.
I have also seen kids born into incredibly hateful, mean greedy, evil families with horrendous nutrition and living conditions who turned out to be wonderful loving people, against all odds.
Athenais ,  I think MOST people in this world have no business raising children or working with children . In fact, I think that the way we get children is absurd. Any psychopath can have a child, or just very young immature people who are basically children themselves.

There Should be some kind of spiritual maturity that enables conception. And the question of Karma then also creates the possibility that some children should be abused as children because they abused children in a former life. I am NOT saying this is the case or advocating this in any way, just saying everyone should think about and evaluate belief systems.
Why oh why am I always so misunderstood?

If everything bad that happens to people is Karma from "past lives", then where the hell did it start? Did I abuse you cause you abused me cause I abused you cause you abused me, Then where the hell does it end?
Didn't I read on here someplace that op's are taken over and used by the matrix and are not functioning in thier true purpose? Does this only apply to adult op's? What about robotic replacements or whatever they are? And what about children being abducted by aliens and programmed by implants to cause disaster? Again, I am not saying I believe or disbelieve any of this.
If parents are responsible for all bad behavior of kids, then thier parents are responsible, and thiers, infinity. Why not go back to the original "Parent". Is God responsible for humans bad behavior? Is any behavior bad? Does evil exist?  Is it wrong to punch people in the face? Only if they don't deserve it because of Karma? I think I'm gonna be sick.
Here's a novel idea, What if everyone is responsible for everything they do and no one can blame anything on anyone else. I wonder how many people have let themselves be horribly abused because they were convinced that they deserved it because of Karma. Hey, There's a good trick for sts's to use! LOL!
Sorry, not angry at anyone, just confused and dissillusioned by so many different theories.

I like you belljar, you are way too cool.

The opinions expressed here are not nessesarily the opinions of my true self. Something I'm working on, getting rid of false selves. Sometimes one of them takes over and tries (successfuly) to discredit me, lol!

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Just throwing a speculation out there Pinky, but if he was 4 years older, then by the time you were born your parents had probably not made the same mistakes with you, that they made with him? First borns can sometimes be the "experiment child" or something, ya know, and then another child comes along and they know what to do, how to handle things, etc.

4dWanaB, some valid questions. It (Karma, original sin/evil) may date back to before our modern history, pre-deluge and Atlantean times, as Tsarion talks about in his "Origins of Evil". And then you get into Genetic Manipulation, wich has made it that much easier for evil to exist at all.

I think Bill Hicks said it best when it comes to having and raising children, "There are lots of unwanted, poor, and starving children ALREADY HERE, why create MORE? Adopt a child. (my paraphrasing> "We should be making this a better place for the future generation of children, not spending our time creating more and more children!!!")

19 (edited by Pinkrlyq 2007-05-05 21:53:29)

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Free_Your_Mind wrote:

Just throwing a speculation out there Pinky, but if he was 4 years older, then by the time you were born your parents had probably not made the same mistakes with you, that they made with him? First borns can sometimes be the "experiment child" or something, ya know, and then another child comes along and they know what to do, how to handle things, etc.

Yeah, you would think... Unfortunately, that's not really what I think was the case.  My parents (and grandparents) both doted on my brother and spoiled him, and he loved it.  He wasn't "abused" by his own account and certainly never disciplined in a manner that would compel him to  fantasize about flaying and disembowelling his classmates.  As far as everyone was concerned, he was a perfectly normal and occassionally rambunctious kid.  Also, by past admissions from both of my parents, if any child was mistreated it was me.  (but that's another story and case of "hindsight is 20/20")

My brother has never been a "believer" in metaphysical things and he's not very religious, but he now is becoming more open to the idea of metaphysical explanations.  We were recently wondering if he might have carried through some kind of past life "junk" with him.  He's always loved the Medieval period and now wonders if he might have been one of those prison guards at that time who's job it was to torture people.  Another idea that I wonder about to myself sometimes (given the other happenings in the family) is more along the lines of a MILAB reaction he may be having.... repressed memories of traumatic and consciously unexplainable events that are trying to surface in his mind to heal, but he's denying the entire process because of fear.

Whatever the reason, I don't believe it's because he might have been maltreated due naiive parenting skills.  Although, I'm sure that many kids may have suffered in such a fashion -there is no lack of bad parenting in the world and nasty, ignorant people who have no business having children.  I also do agree with 4dwannabe that some kids who are raised in hellacious situations turn out perfectly sane, loving and non-socio/psyco-pathic... It's rare, but it happens.  And I am in no way implying any kind of justification for any kind of maltreament and abuse of kids.  I do, however, believe that it is up to an individual to choose how to react in and to a given situation... it's a real-time demonstration of our free-will and taking responsibility to not allow negative experiences to permanently shift one's overall alignment.

I wanted to get a bit back to the main topic of what's going on with today's children, and I'm actually thinking that the type of souls that are attracted to incarnating on this planet at this time are a direct reflection of the outward energy the earth has been giving off to the cosmos (and multiverse).  It's a living "sign of the times", so to speak.  I don't mean to say that they're the majority (at least I hope that won't become the case in the future!).  But then again, it could be a whole lot of negative manipulation from those nasty PTB and non-human termites that have infested our world.  I doubt that we'll ever really find out to completely satisfy our curiosities.  In the meantime, though, there definitely does seem to be a "trend" forming with these children, and it scares the hell out of me when I think about our future (and makes me want to have kids even less than before)!

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." ~ Mark Twain

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Hi 4dWannabee, everyone,

Your questions about karmic resposibility and ultimate responsibility are familiar to me and most everyone reading this thread.  Here is a perspective on the subject that i find satisfying.  It is put together from everything i've seen on the subject and everywhere i've been.  By all means pick it apart if it doesn't make sense to you.


Firstly, the Law of Karma is a cause / effect sequence......  action / reaction.......as you know.  The bible says it like this :

                "Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap."

That Law of Karma operates according to our use of freewill. We are creative beings and we express creative energy in thought, word and deed . Originally our souls incarnated on earth to fulfill cosmic purpose... to align our will to the creative intent of the Higher will [ within us ].  We were 'at one' with the inner God presence and in a state of innocence [ inner sense.]

  But things have gone horribly wrong with that creative plan and,  by progressively denying the creative will of the inner guide,  we ourselves created 'duality conciousness'... an external identity apart from our own inner God presence.  Like the 'masters' apprentice' in the old fairy tale, our pseudo- identity has run out of control so that our souls have progressively fallen further and further into a lower state of conciousness.  You might also say our soul [ Snow White] has fallen into bondage to the 'Wicked Witch' of our shadow self.

This pseudo- self is a karma making state of conciousness.  This lower conciousness began with a personal freewill choice to deny the inner will and to miqualify energy.  External desire, [in contrast to the inner Desire to fulfill cosmic purpose] was created and was / is increased and sustained by subsequent negative freewill choices.
   
The bible records Jesus, saying :

           "It is inevitable [given our fallen state of conciousness] that offences will come,
             but woe [ karma ] to that one through whom the offence comes"

We have all offended the law of love and have all made negative karma.  It has become 2nd nature to us.
But thanks to Jesus and other great spiritual Adepts we know we have a 1st nature to seek and reconnect to.
We know where to find it :

             " The Kingdom of Heaven [the conciousness of God] is within you"

But the law of karma is twofold.  It's not all bad.  The balanced scales of JUSTICE and MERCY direct the law in the return of our souls to oneness with God.
By it's nature negative karma is presently a limiting factor in our exercise of freewill.  It restricts our choices but it presents choices according to our own past and current use of conciousness and freewill.

Have we been merciful ? have we been harsh?  cruel ?  forgiving? vengefull?  Have we now accepted a spiritual approach to life and aknowleged the law of our own true being? 

Where does it all end?

It ends when we accept that there is a law of love which is higher than the personal will of the human ego/ lower self. And that the law is not externally imposed on us by an external capricious God. 

It is recorded somewhere in the bible :

              " I  [the I AM Presence] will write My Law on their inward parts "
                 they shall be My people and I [ the I AM Presence]
                 shall be their God [ within them ] "

Each one of us must personally break the cycle of negative karma ourselves.  The outer conciousness which has created our personal karmic problems cannot solve these problems.  So we must redevelop a concious relationship with the inner Guru [ the Christ conciousness within.]

  Many people on earth are too proud to acknowlege a Higher being than their current perception of themselves. Too proud to accept that there are Higher purposes than the constant round of personal aggrandisement and [lower] self seeking pursuits.

I am not trying to judge everyone.  I am making an observation about what has been obvious to me when i've looked at the world and searched myself.  Each person's own Higher self does make that judgement of our individual souls [ in justice and mercy according to the record of the soul's journey.]

But the constant round of karma making, and the constant round of reincarnation it necessitates, can only be broken by first identifying and then surrendering the conciousness which produces it.  ie.  the lower self... the human ego... the pseudo self... the outer personality.... the not self.... the shadow self... the dweller on the threshold.. etc..  Called many things in all the esoteric literature it is the cumulative aggregate of every negative personal expression we have ever produced in the material plane.


This lower state of conciousness in ourselves is NOT the balance to our Higher self.  The Higher self comprises  2 complimentary forces in polarity and harmony with each other. So the shadow self is not something to integrate and embrace.  It is something to identify in ourselves and surrender as a tattered garment.

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Wow, nexus!!  Bravo!!  I think that's the most precise and comprehensive explanation of karma (as applied to our everyday world) that I've ever read!  All of that rang true and "clicked" with me.  Great job, nexus! smile

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." ~ Mark Twain

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Pink, I've been thinking that anyone coming into the earth game has issues to begin with. But, the more negative it gets here the more it attracts the wrong element. This place will break you that's for sure it's like cosmic boot camp. I just recall Monroe again saying because there is game within game here and so much amnesia that this place is just one big drug and we are all addicts.

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Just putting my two cents worth in. Pink made some very good points.  You can have a wonderful home environment and still have a kid that is whacked in the head, or vice versa. Ive seen  some come thru incredibly horrible home conditions and come out on top of their game. There are so many variables and dynamics that I think its not possible to acurately predict a child's outcome. Not to mention all the shit thats brought in with incarnation.  Parenting is not easy, and we are all products of our own childhood.  I do believe in some way, we choose what family we incarnate into for the lessons involved. And we  either rise above them and learn from them, or we dont. Its our choice.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
Ad Verecundiam

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Free_Your_Mind wrote:

I think Bill Hicks said it best when it comes to having and raising children, "There are lots of unwanted, poor, and starving children ALREADY HERE, why create MORE? Adopt a child.

This was what I said (more or less) when I was 12 years old and my mother asked me how many children I wanted.  I sometimes think i'm de-evolving, I was more aware when I was 12.  I think if I could be that 12 year old now, all my problems would be solved. Oh well, perhaps it's possible. My new name  is B12. Sounds like a vitamin. Wait, it is a vitamin. Maybe what I'm lacking. God works in mysterious ways. I feel better already, Peace everyone and give those kids a vitamin. I love you all!

The opinions expressed here are not nessesarily the opinions of my true self. Something I'm working on, getting rid of false selves. Sometimes one of them takes over and tries (successfuly) to discredit me, lol!

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From me, the  big gorilla in the room regarding the energies of souls who come into bodies comes down to sex.

What were the conditions of the sexual encounter that spawned the child? This is a very key thing.

Many people drink or are under the influence of something when they have sex, opening up their auric fields to all types of parasitic entities - and human souls with low consciousness seeking bodies.

Many people approach sex from low consciousness -- sex is a predatorial act that you do just to have the pleasure of orgasm, or it's seen as a way to suck loosh from your partner beaming back positive energy at you.

Others approach sex as a way to go out of body to escape unpleasant emotions or conditions that they're dealing with, so during the sex act they aren't even present in their body - allowing just about anything to come in, including demonic critters who are happy to experience the sex act for them and "borrow" the body.

Sex performed in low consciousness attracts low level entities - human and "other" -- who circle the bodies for entrance.

Sex experienced with mutual love and an intention to elevate your partner creates an atmosphere where angels want to sing with you - it's truly a different thing that lights up the aura with golden and violet, high vibrational, energies. And if you want to become pregnant, you can have sex in this way and basically pray or meditate beforehand to welcome in a soul of a wonderful child to become a part of your family, setting the intention that this child bring health, cohesion, and balance into your life instead of chaos.

A lot of folks with chaotic kids are extremely chaotic themselves, or they were in a chaotic state at the time of conception.

I've seen kids as young as one ranging from just slightly "possessed" in the sense of having some demonic attachments to "full evil THING not a human."  Like, there isn't a human soul in there, there's something else, and there was NEVER a human soul in there.

There are a lot of extremely strange things going on with all manner of energies coming into human bodies these days.  Don't understand the how or the why of it, just know it's happening.

The only way to protect yourself from bringing in something OTHER is to approach sex as love making - not energy taking.  And to do it while sober and with your heart chakra open.  Then these energies you're putting out create a natural frequency barrier so if a soul comes in through conception, it will be compatible with those happier and loving energies.

But who teaches conscious love-making these days?  And over the course of a whole adult life, how many of us are approaching it with that much clarity and intention each time we get intimate with our partners?

You can see why there are a lot of things going on surrounding the vibrations if the souls that come in if you begin looking at what's going on during the sex act.

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

PS  Here's another weird one. In Atlantis there were a lot of genetic experiments going on. Perhaps one of the most horrible ones involved a time when scientists were fusing human and pig genes and using (forcing) surrogate human mums to deliver these horrible mutant pig/human babies. They were artificially inseminated with these fused pig/human eggs.

There are still souls in the reincarnational cycle who are split in this way.....they actually consist of TWO souls....a human soul and a pig soul.  A lot of times they are so flapjacked that they end up coming into deformed bodies or end up manifesting human lives as severely disabled or mentally retarded people.

To heal those lines of energy involves splitting the souls back into two parts...the pig half and the human half...and doing massives amounts of healing and soul retrieval for each soul to help them recover and balance again.  Then they can start down the path of just reincarnating as their "home" species.

This work can only really be done after the person dies. The fused soul has to be out of body because you can't do this healing on a live person without killing them.

I've done some of this work post mortem with people who have died and babies who have died.  Some of the weirdest stuff I've seen. And it's also the stuff that makes me the angriest. Those crapheads in Atlantis really piss me off.  They had no compunction about doing these mutations, which caused horrible damage to the souls that came into those bodies, and then those souls have been STUCK in a really horrific reincarnational cycle for thousands of years.  I mean, we all have our own past live wounds and challenges to overcome. But what chance do you have when you've been fused to the soul of another creature and can't break free because you're so merged, and it's such an incompatible mix?

That's why when people talk about heart valve replacement using pig valves, I just SHUDDER from head to toe. I don't think we should be using animal parts in our bodies because of the soul issues I've observed. It's a nasty, slippery slope. Animals have their own journey, their own reincarnational stuff or whatever, and so do humans. The two should NOT be fused.

And of course, we're starting to repeat this stuff now. Genetic experiments designed to create animals or even humans with the soul purpose of using them to harvest their organs for organ replacement operations.  YUCK.  And it's always the old Atlantean psychopath scientists doing their same old crap.

One man I knew who had been one of these mad doctors in Atlantis became a neonatologist in this lifetime and a real, genuine, big-hearted healer who spends all his hours healing human babies.

Now THAT'S karmic correction. On a soul level, he knows what's going on.

LM

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Awesome post LM, thanks for explaining all that! 

LipstickMystic wrote:

A lot of folks with chaotic kids are extremely chaotic themselves, or they were in a chaotic state at the time of conception.

Yeah I think that's really the key. 

The one thing I would add here is that a poor relationship between the father and mother can not only attract low level entities, it can also attract higher souls who are presently in a negative space or state of confusion because of trauma.

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LipstickMystic, very interesting concepts and some that I had thought about. No wonder the media is pushing "sex is a fun game" right now.  What about sexual fantasies? Could someone thinking about beastiality during sex attract one of these mixes? What about rape or incest? The big Question is if you did bring in something "other" what can you do about it? People like you who do these kinds of healings are rare in many places, not to mention most are very expensive. If a person has had unloving, selfish sexual encounters before becoming aware and has "damaged children", where can they go for help in coping or find healing for thier offspring? Even being celebate might not be protection enough as in the case of abductions.  No need in anyone feeling guilty if they were ignorant but they should take responsibility now.

The opinions expressed here are not nessesarily the opinions of my true self. Something I'm working on, getting rid of false selves. Sometimes one of them takes over and tries (successfuly) to discredit me, lol!

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Lipstic Mystic noted:

Those crapheads in Atlantis really piss me off.  They had no compunction about doing these mutations, which caused horrible damage to the souls that came into those bodies, and then those souls have been STUCK in a really horrific reincarnational cycle for thousands of years.  I mean, we all have our own past live wounds and challenges to overcome.

Nazi scientists also ran the same types of experiements with genetic mutations. But they were probably ex-Atlantean scientists.


4dwannabe wrote:

What about rape or incest? The big Question is if you did bring in something "other" what can you do about it?

It has been my observation that children conceived through free will violations then become violaters of others' free will, or very obstinate, oppositional, willful at the least.-lala

don't judge a book by its name

29 (edited by zenden 2007-05-06 17:38:50)

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u guys have it.  that was pretty good nexus. altho im tired of karma and its tentacles.  tree--and thats why i never did it.  its a huge job of sacrifice and i'd done that enough.  mercy to all loving parents.   4D--i laughed out aloud on ur takes on this.  age 12 was good wasnt it?  ur so right on that.  wish i could go back too.  B12.  thats was a hoot.  funny how these messages show up, thats for sure.  (im itching my ass off lately and finally realized today that as a snake [sign, year of, etc., memories, and resonation with] im peeling off another layer of myself=skin, and this is a 7 year.  skin is shed in total every 7 years, message at the sink today).  lala--really true observation.  pinky--ur brother has learned it looks like.  athenais has it down too, with the familial birthings, the incarnations.  families hold the secrets of the past, and future with their incarnations.  some say that if not born into the same family, many ppl would never even speak to each other, or wever know, or get near each other at all, if they didnt have to if not in the same house. 

LM u couldnt be more accurate.  thats one of the reasons im always angry when working.  and even when not.  about the illicit breeding and it hurts so much to see it.  all kinds of crap rides in on these kids, from conceiving them.  complete blase concern about the act and the outcome, consequences of it.  the sheeple breeders havent a clue.  the sex act, its all in there and no more important than a disposable paper cup to so many.  souls are tied up in that act and the power in it is huge, and could even say, monstrous.   it goes to the highest state, or to the very lowest, and springs from there.   the prevention of bringing a soul in with a careless act is of utmost importance.  i think that goes to show how nutty that is.  one act of human pleasure, copulation, can leave 2 souls with another or even more than one, due to one simple biological squirt.  when not purposefully intended.  thats the crux of the matter.  that shows how there are continued nonstop opportunities for stuff to ride on in, anytime, just waitin in the wings.  ive read that all these new immature souls want in here on the last E-ride ticket out.  talk about the velvet rope lines at disney.  from the etheric.   ive always been highly suspicious of that human ability to breed at the drop of the hat.  and many many young women refuse to believe it.  its 2007 and girls tell me they know nothing at all about ovulation.  50 year old women tell me theyve never heard of ovulation.  one actually asked me--"so when did that start?" all miffed.  i said about 350,000 years ago [i go all the way back], and replied did u think it was a fad?  i say menses, and they ask--"whats that?"  short for menstruation.  and then they tell me theyve not heard the word.  some tell me their husbands/men know how to guide their sperm mentally and that keeps them from getting pregnant.  i ask how they do that and they tell me, "well, they promise me ill be ok"   thats not even the half of it.  not even a third of it. 

see how easy it would be for any old thing to hop on in.  and the evil reincarnated atlantean priests and crats know this.  that the thinking out there is dumber than mud.  they love to experiment on the disposables.  cuz thats how it is much of the time.  not talking about the other shades of ppl but these intentionally.  u nailed it LM.  so sorry to say.  conception's no joke.  and heres a killer--science/studies/indomitable medical proof--conception happens 99.99999 ad infinitum % at the time of the full moon.  MOON.  food for the moon.  platter of the crats.  this is due to timing of ovulation, which is in similar, if not the same waxes and wanings of the moon.  ie...ovulation, follicular ripening of the human egg, fertilization. fluids/ waters of the body respond to the moon's tides.  the old ones know this.  nothing new.  but the typical human has no clue, or very little on human anatomy, how their body actually works, but they can put a cell phone back together to make that call in a tenth of a second.  up on technology, down on biology.  how can they be so dumbed down?  they act like its all fantasmagorical secrets--the way the body works.  i see that as a ticket on in, by whatever a being, karma or not.  like no choice was made, but the human breeder just is on the ride, and the being is taking advantage of it, and slips on in.  there has to be awareness of that, conception and the sex act.   no consciousness.  or very little. 

yes, those same reincarnated ones dont give up their positions.  they stay in positions of power.  same ones that like to see a human mother birth out 7 or 8 at a time.  now thats animalistic, and they love it.  lick their lips.  means big bucks, power in the land to have 'spawned that.'  im sick over it.  and thats why so nuts on breeding and bloodlines.  and thats from memories too, of the experiments, the chimeras, the lost soul fragments.  no good if indiscriminate.  check out metachild.com

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

Re: OP or non-souled children

In one of Castaneda's books, Don Juan said that Castaneda
must have been conceived during "a bored f*ck."