Topic: OP or non-souled children

Are all children innocent? Certianly we have all heard of children who have maimed ,tortured, raped or killed humans or animals. Are these just misguided, troubled little innocent beings who are "acting out" or are they monsters? Are they demon possesed? sociopaths? How can you tell? Think of the trouble they can cause. False accusations of abuse by parents or teachers, etc. If non-souled humans really exist, don't they exist as children? What can you do? You can't very well abandon them ,because they are children, can you? What if your own child is non-souled? Creepy, just creepy! This non-souled human thing is just getting too creepy. Yet you can't deny that they exist. What can we do about it? I think I'm losing it!

The opinions expressed here are not nessesarily the opinions of my true self. Something I'm working on, getting rid of false selves. Sometimes one of them takes over and tries (successfuly) to discredit me, lol!

2 (edited by belljar 2007-05-04 18:17:39)

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Your not losing it you're just becoming aware. LOL It's verys similar. If you are a sick being as a child you are a sick being as an adult it's an obvious progression. But, the conditioning is very strong here to let kids get away with anything because they are kids. My nephew is a good example of this. He is three years old but he enjoys punching his father and both his sisters in the face. He rounds his little fist and aims dead on. He does it over and over again. He also likes to pull people's hair out. If he gets hold of a knife he will try and stab you. When he is around animals he tries to stomp on them. I had to endure a week with him in my parents house last year. He started every morning screaming. He screamed through every meal. His parents are good people and so are his sisters. They are at odds with what to do with him. He seeks the lowest level in all things and there is no punishment that scares him. So what is his problem? Is he an OP? Does he have an entity attachment already? Is it his diet? Is he mentally ill? I don't know it could be any of these. I just know that him and kids like him drain the people around them of energy trying to get them to be decent beings. Did I mention that his sisters have to babysit him because no adults want to? Even my parents think there is something horribly wrong with him it's not just he is a 3 year old.

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I feel sorry for the sisters! Maybe it's a good thing fertility is declining. I've known kids like that. Grew up to be child molesters, murderers or drove a parent or sibling  to suicide.

The opinions expressed here are not nessesarily the opinions of my true self. Something I'm working on, getting rid of false selves. Sometimes one of them takes over and tries (successfuly) to discredit me, lol!

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Yeah the girls are already saying at their young age they don't want kids. LOL

5 (edited by lyra 2007-05-04 20:56:49)

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I believe it's bad parenting.  Abusiveness.  Permissiveness.  Because these kids did start out as innocent babies.  How do they go from that, to being a sociopath?   Something is wrong in the home life, bottom line, that's what.  Screwball parents, stupid "parenting."  Poor environmental influences.  Etc. 

OPs are supposed to be completely the by-product of their genetics and environment, whereas a souled person is not.   OPs who are subjected to poor upbringings and bad parenting have their switches flipped to "sociopath" mode.   The C's even said (if I remember correctly) that sociopaths were malfunctioning OPs.  Meaning, something happened in life to trigger these OPs into "sociopath" mode.  Remove those switch flipping environmental influences and I think the sociopath would not emerge.  They'd remain bland background hive- minder.

Give an OP a great childhood with lots of love and attention and correct guidance, and I think even they would stay innocent.

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I don't believe that children are necessarily innocent just because they are children, but they ARE more vulnerable than adults.  They are smaller, and they can't take care of themselves.  They rely on adults for their physical survival and emotional needs.  They lack the practical knowledge and experience that adults have in dealing with the world.  They have virtually no legal rights in society.  Their lives are at the mercy of adults, not the other way around.  In my opinion anyone who has trouble keeping this in perspective probably should not be raising a child, or working with children.

7 (edited by nexus 2007-05-04 23:05:57)

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This crazy out of control kid thing is an increasing worldwide phenomenon.   Some kids have been successfully calmed by removing foods with colours and preservatives... even in bread, which was found to be the culprit in some.

While i also believe there are soulless automatons among us, there are also, according to some metaphysical writers of the 1900s  many very laggard old souls incarnating on earth.  I suppose you could speculate that some of these souls have been severely disturbed in past lives and are reincarnating with the same tendencies.

This would present the parents with a severe challenge.  Also, in cases where food and current environmental influences can be ruled out, these extremely difficult relationships usually have their origins in past karma between parent and child [and siblings.]   This karma might also include a demon possession dimension to it as a result of the dabbling in or the use of black magic.

Something may have gone drastically wrong in past life relationships.  Karma can be very limiting to those involved and binds people together to balance the wrongs of the past.   Those wrongs could have involved any of the things that humans are capable of doing to each other.   Open any history book and chances are we are reading the stories of our own lives. 

It's also possible that a parent may have volunteered at inner levels to assist a soul with severe issues of emotional instability.   It's not always easy to judge the causes by an outer observation of the problem.

2 great reads on this subject are:

                                                   " Edgar Cayce on Reincarnation."   by : Noel Langley and  Hugh Lynn Cayce
                                                       
                                                   " Life before Life"         by :  Dr Helen Wambach


edited to add Noel Langley as author of above book

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Good thoughts nexus!  I wasn't going to get into this, since the topic was non-souled children, but more often than not parents do have reincarnational ties with their children.  And it goes without saying that it's not always a positive connection.  I was thinking that in some cases a child acting out against "good" parents could very well have been victimized by those same souls in another life.  If the child recognized this soul connection on any level it could bring up a lot of fear and anger.  Sometimes souls agree to become parents to a soul they have injured, to have the opportunity to make things right.  Things are not always what they appear to be on the surface!

A common idea I have seen in studies of reincarnation is that souls reverse roles, changing from back and forth from victim to perpetrator...but from my own experience I believe souls tend to stay stuck in the same patterns with each other lifetime after lifetime until they get tired of it and really want to change.  Really those other lives are not "past" lives, they are happening simultaneously with this one, so an action taken in one life will influence all other reincarnational selves in the same spectrum.  Once a pattern is transcended, it is transcended for that soul on all levels.  The way I understand it, these things are coming up for release right now more than ever.

9 (edited by Gman 2007-05-05 00:03:20)

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4dwannabe wrote:

I feel sorry for the sisters! Maybe it's a good thing fertility is declining. I've known kids like that. Grew up to be child molesters, murderers or drove a parent or sibling  to suicide.

Kind of makes it seem like we're living in a time like that in Children of Men.

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Good posts everyone - I especially enjoyed what Nexus & Athenais wrote. I think labelling anyone as "non-souled" is a risky business, because by what criteria would you judge that? As I see it, there are children with a low level of consciousness (who are more likely to commit violent acts and/or more open to demonic possession), just as there are adults with a low level of consciousness, and I agree with the above point about karmic ties playing a role in parent/child relationships. In fact, I'd guess that we have past-life connections with most, if not all, members of our immediate family.

I think that children are more "innocent" than adults inasmuch as they have yet to undergo the social programming/conditioning that shapes most people's beliefs, values, etc. - although even young children are being exposed to that now, what with all the TV & advertising aimed at them. That must be at least partly responsible for the fact that kids are generally more materialistic & belligerent these days. I also believe that many children are psychically sensitive/intuitive when they are young, but then lose it because of the skepticism & rationality of the adult world.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

11 (edited by Transcix 2007-05-05 09:28:49)

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I don't believe in the idea of non-souled organic portals any more, I think it is absurd... you *are* the soul, period. I do believe that these people where their auras on the inside.. some good people do the same for protection, in this day and age... but if you look around and can see auras, it's true many many people do not show any, but the key word here is show.. these people are eager to play dumb because their intention is to promote a social atmosphere of belligerance.. but in reality they are cold and calculating. They cannot kill or enslave us, because they need us for our energies, so they needs us to thrive in numbers to an extent. It's a dangerous game for them, although it's dangerous for us, too.

An evil person like this from birth is not a soul-less person.. nor are they fated to remain evil their whole lives, although most do.

nothing is sacred, the deconstructing and letting-be of all things, clarity of sight, the realization of no-thing(s), Nothing

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belljar the only way to handle kids like that is to beat some sense into them. Americans, Canadians and even alot of Europeans are way too soft when raising kids. If the child likes punching people in the face return the love and show him what its like getting punched in the face. I dont care if the kids only 2 years old the only way theyre gonna learn is the hard way. I grew up in Ireland and we all learn pretty young because people arent scared to knock some sense into their children in Ireland. My ma used to beat me with an ice cream scooper when id f*ck around and not listen. I never hurt people but I was a pyro and liked blowing things up a little too much and after I accidentally blew some little kids toes off one day my ma made sure I didnt forget it.

Its no coincidence that rich kids that have it easy turn out to be spoiled bastards and most people that had hard lives and had to struggle and work to get everything they have develop character.

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Well this is where cloning, synthetic humans and genetics could come in as a way to create beings who are OP's. Abusing children to create empty beings for STS to inhabit would take too much energy and is not as reliable. This is why they're using science for these things.


I also wonder about autism. Is there an autism thread already? I wouldn't want to bring it up again if its already been covered, but I recently read its on the rise.

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I just want to say that I was not truly  making a judgement as to whether people are non-souled or not,, although  it appears that way by the wording. (I should have put a Question mark at the end, i.e. Non-souled children?) I'd never heard of this idea untill I came to this website. Just trying to get some discussion and peoples' opinions, get people thinking about the whole thing. I think everyone made some good points and I respect everyone's opinion.  However--- keep this in mind, IF reincarnation exists- then children are not born "innocent". And also, some children might actually be much older than some adults. The whole thing is really aimed at ifs.
IF organic portal humans exist, THEN organic portal children exist.  Who knows for sure? Good points all.

The opinions expressed here are not nessesarily the opinions of my true self. Something I'm working on, getting rid of false selves. Sometimes one of them takes over and tries (successfuly) to discredit me, lol!

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Nothing wrong with bringing it up even though many people will not like it. We all have to look at things we don't want to about this world.