Topic: Run-in with a psychopath

The Cassiopaea website constantly mentions malfunctioning 'organic portals' which have been compared to the case in modern psychology known as the psychopath. I had trouble believing such psychopaths were so prevelant, but now I'm convinced otherwise. Today I had my first personal experience with a psychopath. It's actually a person I've known for many months! We'll call him D. When I first met D he seemed like he might be a souled person. He showed care and compassion on several occasions, and seemed genuinely inquisitive about the nature of the world. Over time, however, I began to realize that this was a facade, and that D was probably an OP. This realization began when I saw that D acted very differently towards certain people. If someone offended him or got on his bad side, he was spiteful and held grudges for months on end. However, D was part of my circle of friends. We had our good times and bad times. I have actually met many new friends through D. The past few weeks I had become certain that D was an OP. But I didn't really mind, since he was a good friend most of the time. The past few days, he had been acting very strange toward me, very aloof. I knew something was bothering him but he wouldn't tell me. Today, however, following a disagreement we had on something was that was not even important, his composure finally just... snapped. He was no longer the kind caring friend, but ruthless and vindictive. When I attempted to show compassion and kindness toward him in order to restore our friendship, D just absorbed the energy and became even more spiteful. I soon became aware of what type of person I was dealing with and had to end our friendship.

There are quite a few things I've learned from this. Particularly this experience has formed a pretty good portrait in my mind of how a psychopath operates, and what his weaknesses are. Here's the characteristics I've seen first-hand:

- The most prominent trait is, they do NOT operate logically. I'm not talking about lack of logic as in right-brain dominated either. When faced with logic that reveals their game and intent, they will contort the facts or make up their own, but their sense of 'logic' is not objective. It would not pass in any court of law.

- They ONLY see things from their own perspective. This is somewhat related to the first one. When you attempt to show them someone else's point of view, they simply cannot see it, which is related to...

- They lack any sense of empathy. Any empathy they put out is emulated and acted. They will put on this act to get on someone's good side.

- They will CREATE drama when it's not naturally present to satisfy their egos. They are great actors, and can put on a very convincing show.

Each one of these identifying traits is also a weakness. You can use each one of these things to cross their wires and watch them fizzle out. But I wouldn't recommend this. It consumes a lot of your own energy, and it's best simply to avoid them altogether.

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I can definitely relate to this as I have had a similar person in my life on a business and friendship level. He is a classic case showing all the traits of a psychopath/OP. Once I realized his motivations I began the process of extracting him him from my life. A lot of our business affairs had been linked so I was afraid that making the seperation would cost me, I think he sensed this fear and used it against me even more. When I finally made the break I was surprised how easy it was as he was powerless to do anything (I even thought he might get violent) and I felt an incredible feeling of relief as if a huge weight had been taken off my shoulders.
Unfortunately for me, the saga continues a bit as we still have an unfinished project that I cannot quit on as there are outside investors involved. Boy, the harder I work to finish it the harder he works to keep it going somehow. At least now I know what I'm dealing with though and I think I know most of his tricks.
All in all, I must say as energy draining as it was, it was a very educational experience and I have learned to spot this kind of behavior in people early on and avoid getting involved with them. Funny, they also seem to sense that I'm hip to their game and don't even bother to try with me. Perhaps I should be gearing up for a new round of tactics, ha.

Stephen

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Hi seeker,

Great observations.  I totally agree with your list. 

seeker wrote:

  Each one of these identifying traits is also a weakness. You can use each one of these things to cross their wires and watch them fizzle out. But I wouldn't recommend this. It consumes a lot of your own energy, and it's best simply to avoid them altogether.


That's exactly what I've learned to do.   Don't bother going up against them, it'll just drain you.  Walk away.  For a lot of people this is hard.  It's difficult to walk away from an argument or fight, due to the need to be right, because of ego, etc.  Just walk away is all I can say.  It ain't worth it.  It'll be one of the more important things one learns while here in this zoo................Recognizing when you're in a futile fight with someone who's mentally off and acting nuts.    And then finding it in yourself to take a deep breath........and walk away.   Once someone has revealed themselves for what they are, the next step is to not make the mistake of letting them back in one's life / reality / realm.   This is BIG problem for a lot of people because many people are very forgiving, trusting, etc. and want to give people the benefit of the doubt, second and third and fourth and fifth chances.......and then several more chances..........I mean, when is enough enough?   

It's tricky, because one is walking a fine line between being cold and unforgiving and non-understanding, and being wise and recognizing a toxic person who will never change and keep repeating that behavior.   Let's face it - we all have bad days.  We all get grumpy and snappy, we all have egos we all have our personal buttons.    So it's a fine line between recognizing a situation as someone being grumpy and having a bad day, and someone displaying a repeated pattern of energy sucking negativity.   Whether they're an OP, or a souled person who's been severely traumatized by life, it doesn't matter.   A toxic personality is a toxic personality and is best kept away if one wants to progress.

I think the best bet is to carefully observe the situation and rely on intuition to figure out what's going on.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Ego...this is what I have learned to eliminate in my dealings with them.  They depend on your ego in order to accomplish what they set out to do which is sap you....Their illogical behavior is comical at times because of how irrational it can be.  I had one tell me the most outrageous lie any rational person could clearly see right through....OPs have become pretty much a part of my life now....Wake up, take a shower, breakfast, go to work...pass that fellow co worker/OP on my way to the 5th floor...etc etc.  I think the less time we spend trying to identify them (which really isnt the point) that probably means were doing the right thing.  Learned about them about a year ago and my stress level has gone down something serious Il tell you...

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I worked with one for over a year.  The whole atmosphere at the office was affected.  He was downright evil.

6 (edited by Saracen 2004-08-29 20:54:51)

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lyra wrote:

That's exactly what I've learned to do.   Don't bother going up against them, it'll just drain you.  Walk away.  For a lot of people this is hard.  It's difficult to walk away from an argument or fight, due to the need to be right, because of ego, etc.  Just walk away is all I can say.  It ain't worth it.  It'll be one of the more important things one learns while here in this zoo................Recognizing when you're in a futile fight with someone who's mentally off and acting nuts.    And then finding it in yourself to take a deep breath........and walk away.   Once someone has revealed themselves for what they are, the next step is to not make the mistake of letting them back in one's life / reality / realm.   This is BIG problem for a lot of people because many people are very forgiving, trusting, etc. and want to give people the benefit of the doubt, second and third and fourth and fifth chances.......and then several more chances..........I mean, when is enough enough?

BINGO!! Spot on the friggin money....THIS is what you must learn to do...no matter what it costs you in monetary, personal, or "image" points. They are totally irrelevant. I tried to explain the exact same situation to my spouse but she just couldn't get it. So what could I do? The answer is the same answer as always...let her learn it for herself. It cost me a fair amount of $ and quite a bit of agonizing over watching her get crazy over the situation but rest assured...she'll never make that mistake again.

Not only that but I think I earned a karma point or two in the process.....I only hope your posts let some other people avoid all that. I might add one item to seeker's list. I can't even count the # of times I've heard "Oh, but they seemed like such a DECENT person". Well of COURSE they did....how far would they get by p***ing you off? Hmmmm? This is related to the fact that they are wonderful mimics, emulators and actors.

Saracen

"We will not go quietly into the night, We will not give up without a fight...."

7 (edited by lyra 2004-08-30 18:31:00)

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I had a run in with a psycho today, at work, over the phone.  This guy was NUTS.   Loony toons.   It's a long story, but the guy was a nutter is all I can say, acting psychotic to anybody he talked to on the phone, cussing.   And of course, stupid me falls for it, and got ALL riled up.  He had me derailed for several hours.   It's like I know stuff intellectually, but when I find myself in the middle of a situation I get the big "F" for a grade, every time. sad   I never react the way I should.   First off I get riled up.  Mistake number one.  I should be able to not be fazed by someone else being psycho.  They have issues, and it's not my problem.   But yet I do.   Then when they start cussing, name calling, etc. like this guy was doing today on the phone, I should know better than to take it personal.   Yet I do anyway.   Mistake number two.   This person doesn't know me, and again, obviously has issues.  Not my problem. 

Like a textbook case, there was no reasoning with him, and the more anybody tried to talk to him, the louder and more aggressive he got, cussing, making threats, etc.  If we hung up, he called back, five times as mad.   He was insane.  UHHHH!  I get mad just thinking about him.   Every time, I fail to react the way I should....which would be a non-reaction, ideally.   No feelings.   Total neutrality.  I really wish I could master this.  Truly feeling nothing and not caring in the face of evil psychos spewing hateful rage, tossing personal insults, and stooping to every trick in the book to extract energy.  So far I can't do it.   

Mostly it's because when these incidents happen, I'm not prepared for them.   There I am, minding my own business, feeling very calm.   Then I'm face to face with someone or talking over the phone with someone who's ready to pick a fight, or who's just a nasty hateful person in general, probably honing in on me in a MCS type of way.   And I'm never ready for it.   I'm not somebody who just has nasty insult comebacks ready off the top of my head.  It doesn't come natural to me, even after 29 years.   In a way I'm glad I don't, it means I'm not like them.   

Anyway, so that's that.   I really need to work on this.    The only way to "practice" though is to continually find oneself up against these type.    And all I can say is, living in this area of Florida (Ft. Lauderdale) there's no shortage of sicko a*******.   Very very nasty people down here, some of the worst I've ever encountered.   The native Floridians are usually cool, especially the ones from North Florida, with their Florida / Georgia accent.   They're always friendly and happy.    It's the "imports" from the Northeast, and the locals with too much money and no heart that are the problem.  They're just the nastiest people on the planet.   

After today, it cemented my decision to leave.   I'm done with this place, see ya, buh bye.   I'll be out of here within 2 months.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Hi Lyra --

Lyra said:

"And all I can say is, living in this area of Florida (Ft. Lauderdale) there's no shortage of sicko a*******.   Very very nasty people down here, some of the worst I've ever encountered.   The native Floridians are usually cool, especially the ones from North Florida, with their Florida / Georgia accent.   They're always friendly and happy.    It's the "imports" from the Northeast, and the locals with too much money and no heart that are the problem.  They're just the nastiest people on the planet."

I must say that I feel your comments are right on the money concerning Fort Lauderdale and Southeast Florida generally.  The nastiest and rudest people on earth -- bar none.

I lived there for for ten years (1981-91), and while I was fortunate to meet some great people and forge a few lasting friendships from that experience, I believe that just the overall level of nastiness and negativity there is really beyond description.

I call that area "the land of lost souls."  I was just there recently visiting with some friends...While there, I spent alot of time just  laying on the beach, which was wonderful.  But I must tell you, I am more "clued in" as they say, now, and I really felt the negative energy there.  It was quite palpable.  It was just a real level of uneasiness I felt while there, much stronger than other times when I've visited previously.

The overcrowding, the traffic, the rudeness,  the "balkanized" communities, and just the overall energy of ''unconnectedness" that I still pick up from those who live there, all contributed to the uneasiness I felt while I was visiting.  It's really not a place I would like to be living in either, especially in light of what may occur here in the next few years. 

I wish you well in whatever decision you make regarding relocating.

DJ

9 (edited by lyra 2004-08-30 19:36:18)

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Hi Lakme,

Thanks, it's good to hear I'm not imagining this!    Today was the straw that broke the camel's back.   It's been building for months now.   I work for a yachting brokerage, which I thought was going to be a cool and fun industry to work for.....Holy cow, what an eye opener.   I realize now that the purpose of me landing this job was to be able to stockpile money so I can leave Florida.   It has enabled me to do so, since it pays me well and I have minimal monthly output as far as bills are concerned.   

I've learned a couple of things about this industry:   The brokers are usually always nice.  They're normal guys, for the most part.   The clients on the other hand are either practically retarded, or, just the meanest people you've ever met.   Too much booze, drugs, sun and money.    Bad combination.   My first week on the job (I'm a receptionist) some guy walked into the showroom and I stood up to greet him -- which is my job, mind you -- and he looked at me, made the most condescending face you can imagine, just TOTAL disdain for me, waved at me and said, "Sit back down, just calm down, okay?    I don't need your help...." then looked away and started wandering off, full of arrogant self importance.   

I just stood there, STUNNED.   Calm down?   I merely stood up.   I hadn't even gotten to the point of saying Hello yet!    If that's considered getting all worked up, I'd hate to see how he responds to a hyper manic person.

At any rate, he came back around a little while later, and now, he actually DID need something.   I had the receptionist window closed though, and I watched him out of the corner of my eye work through this dilemma.   He started to approach the window, then I guess he remembered his own words to me about "Calming down" and "leaving him alone" because he "didn't need me", and I literally watched him squrim.   Start to approach...the stop and hesitate, looking nervously around....start to approach again...the wander off, determined in the end, due to pride, to not approach me.   I kept my eyes glued to my computer, typing away, ignoring him.  lalala!    He didn't need ME helping him, right?   His own words.

That was my intro. to this business.  I've lived here for 2 1/2 years, but most of that time I was working out in Plantation, away from downtown, Las Olas, the beach, and the rich condo / yacht crowd.   So, it's been an eye opener.  These people have their heads up their butt is the only way to put it.   Some of the things that come out of their mouths....They get their kicks out of treating people like dirt, watching people squirm, and wiping the smile off your face.   I don't smile anymore to the clients who come in at my job.  I learned not to during that first week.  I smile and laugh and joke with the brokers and admin girls, but not the yacht buying clients.    To smile invites in attack.   It's a sign of weakness / dumbness to the them I've learned.   They perceive you to be an easy mark, and go in for the kill with nastiness....even mocking the fact that you look happy, doing their best to make fun of you to your face, and stamp that out.   I look young too for my age, and repeatedly hear that I look about 20 or 21.   So unless I act like a non-smiling tough professional no-nonsense receptionist -- a bitch with attitude, basically - they won't / don't respect me.  It's sad, and I'm tired of having to act like that.   

My boss knows this.  She halfheartedly jokes around that I should smile more, but she knows why I don't.  She's watched the change.  She talks about how this place is a major energy drain, and she has to take energy working classes like Yoga to compensate for it.  She in turn acts like a handful, in her attempt to feed whatever bits of energy she can from others to make up for the energy that people suck from her.   It's a crazy cycle.   

Like I said, I'm done.  I love the beach, but that's about all I love about it here.   I can say that I finally have Florida out of my system, and I'm free to leave now.    Woohoo!    Thanks for the post and the good wishes, I'll need it!  big_smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Lyra's signature quote;

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ... "Holy s*** ... what a ride!"
- Anonymous

Love that quote...and in regards to your current situation, it fits perfectly.  Just go with your intuition.  It won't lead you astray.

DJ

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organic portal ey ? interesting. from the descriptions i believe i might have became friends with one as soon as i moved to phoenix;

i have some questions here. sorry i am not familiar with organic portals or how they work. if theres a thread please aim me there.

1) is an organic portal "born" on earth into the earth reincarnational system?

2) or is the OP kind of transported here fully grown ?

3) do they carry a certain look ? or can look like anyone anything ?

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it seemed like this man came out of nowhere, seriously. we will call him X. me and 2 high school friends moved to phx 4 college 2gether, and we were newbies in the valley of the sun. i must admit we were habitual maryjane smokers, and naturally we wondered where the heck we would get our grass from now that we'd moved.
well, we began school and after i while i ran into X. he was much older than any of us, he claimed to be something like 25 but i think he was like 30 or something. he seemed to always be lying or making up stories about his past , which is why i ask if OPs are born or just transferred. he claimed to be married yet he said he "lost" his wedding ring. i did meet his wife and daughter later on though, but does that mean he is not OP?
anyways. X was the "dope man" we all wished for. sometimes i wonder if our collective wish created his entity. i mean he always had grass, and tons of it.
he then began what i call "the dumbing process" on us, which i became aware of (a bit late) and did NOT like. he would be at our house 7 am with blunts, calling us names if we did not want to get high.
looking back i sometimes feel he was an evil force, trying to hold me down, yet he was, on the outside, a nice man. he seemed to be a caring friend, helping us with things we would need, such as fixing holes in the apt. walls. (he was a contruction worker)
but , so much of his story is full of holes, and even my best friend said that "X has a bunch of skeletons in his closet" and that statement shook my bones.

does this sound like OP? or something else? some other kind of entity. im not too familiar with these kind of terminologies of human-looking entities that arent quite human.

this guy X also looked like a damn lizard... honestly.

he was also VERY tall, i mean like 7 feet or almost there. had to duck to enter doorways.

ALSO. when i realized i had become friends with people in the STS mindset and those who were following X's lead... i decided to get out and move away. X and some of my friends (surprisingly NOT the ones who i moved out there with) were very curious as to where i was going. i would have to keep beating around the bush when they began question attacking me about where im moving. then, one da after i moved, i went back to my ex roomate house for some stuff, and X was there of course smoking blunts. of course in a few seconds he asked "where are you staying?" to which i replied "at my apartment" and he kind of stumbled and said " well.. i know ... your not staying on the street..." and left it at that.

what do u guys think ? a bit of my life story ey ?

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

12 (edited by SednaSphere 2004-09-11 10:20:04)

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That's the kind of thing (like you mentioned Lyra) that I have dealt with, and I talked about a little on the wasabi thread. Speaking of psychopaths, there are alot of them among the well-to-do, and they indeed enjoy making others squirm, not smile, etc.

I had a problem here getting the phone and computer set up while moving in to this place, and while I waited for them to fix it(they had to stop traffic) I went to a local upscale department store, and every other person is the type (the place was near-empty, mind you ) had that "I'll crash your smile" look. I too look young, and I just know that alot of them assumed I was much younger, and that they could thus easily "mess with me." I was considering "dealing with" some of the worst cases that I ran into there and in the chain drug store, which I'll get into later.

As I waited to get the system fixed, I had to deal with these people without this outlet of NobleRealms! These types of people, er, psychopaths, are a sad lot. They seem to wait for some attractive, nice, smiling person to come along so that they can purposely ruin their day. I mean, that is terrible. Now tonight I read what you wrote about it not being worth it to go after them, and as long as I don't dwell and fume on this total **** stuff they say and do, I think I can calm down. Eventually.
Personally I think it takes extreme control not to lose it with them, and when you're feeling at all vulnerable, you want to protect your ego.

Still, I know they aren't worth it. They are shells with no real values. They are the "cripples" despite privilege and every possible "advantage." Why care? I tell myself. But I often feel like my head's going to explode! O how I'd love to get
'em good! Anyway, they are sad sacks and a sack o' potatoes has more soul. Frankly.

13 (edited by lyra 2004-09-10 20:28:43)

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Hi Sedna,

Good to have you back.  smile   So I guess you were moving too recently.   It's that time of the year you know, according to Ellie Cyrstal.   August into September.

Everything you said was right on about the situation with nasty people.....not worth getting upset over, although it's hard not to.  In the end at my old job in Florida I tried to adopt the don Juan mindset (from carlos castaneda's books)    Don Juan, as well as the Toltec teachings in general, call them "Petty Tyrants", and don Juan's attitude towards them is to relish them as a learning opportunity, a way to practice "not doing."  Not doing is just that....not doing what you normally would do, not reacting as you normally would.   Don Juan's nagual taught him to view Petty Tyrants in this way, as learning opportunities, instead of running from them the way Don Juan originally did, and which most of us also do.   I originally ran from them too.   But at my job, I started practicing.  I actually got pretty good by the end, and would get these jerk people on the phone whom I wouldn't even have any emotional reaction to.  I'd just feel bored and blank when dealing with them, which was a huge step in the right direction.   Overall though I give myself a "D", because I wasn't able to pull that off the majority of the time, only here and there.  I was too spotty.  wink   Petty Tyrants, psychopaths, OP's, soulless types...whoever they are, the pattern is the same.    We must practice practice practice!

Edit:   Hi Zonabi......wow, I have no idea who (what?) that guy was you were dealing with.   Could be anything by the sound of it.....what was especially interesting was the fact that you said he looked like a lizard, and was super tall.   That's pretty interesting.   Maybe he was one, in disguise.  Or maybe he was fully human, but a pawn of the MCS, designed to get you hooked on weed, and keep you distracted.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Yes, petty tyrants. It's been awhile since I thought of the phrase. I've got to admit I do relish the thought of practice, practice, practice on them. But the phone is the worst, and at this point I would not relish that. I had a job working on the phone a couple of times. Somehow the disembodied voice seems tougher for me to deal with than the "in person" kind of thing, where you can gauge body language and use it artfully yourself. I know how it is on the phone, and I'm good at it, but I hate it. So my "kootos" to you for that, Lyra! That's not easy.

I must confess a little guiltily that I am looking forward to going to the mall again to deal with these petty tyrants. And get the stuff I want. Then I'll be outta there like woo hoo, whoa dude what a wave!

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Hey all

lyra-- You are right. They feed on your ego. That's their 'food.' If you react to their games selflessly, the situation will fizzle out like a malfunctioning robot.

zonabi-- Sounds like he may have been an OP. But really only you can decide for sure, since you're the one who interacted with him personally. I can usually 'feel' a person out whether they are an OP or not. OPs (and psychopaths) are like empty shells. When you're with them you can see them, hear them, touch them, but it doesn't seem like they're really there. Like something's missing. Something doesn't feel genuine about them.

I'll try to descibe how I see people. There are two sides to a souled person: their essence and their personality. The personality is formed consciously throughout one's life through interactions with other people. The personality is built in one lifetime through duplication of behavior in a "monkey see, monkey do" way. Essence is the 'personality' of the soul. It's the collection of energies and memories that your soul has gained from many lifetimes and experiences. OPs will lack an essence, thus causing the feeling that, despite many memories and experiences in their life on Earth, they are still very shallow. If your intuitive abilities are tuned well, you can feel a lack of complex, empathetic energies emanating from a person.