Topic: Caffeine

I can't even remember what being 'caffeine free' feels like, but something tells me that I should give it a go. I read around the net looking for advice and came across http://www.43things.com/things/view/34906 , in which people describe the side-effects of caffeine as irritability, mood swings, lethargy and stress. Wow, I never knew that caffeine could cause so many problems, since there are no health warnings on the teabags I use smile And I have nothing to compare my caffinated mental state with as I've been drinking about 8 cups of tea a day for about 7 years.

Has anyone quit caffeine and can comment of how fantastic their life has become? I need a push in the right direction.

And how come there are no health warnings on the teabags if caffeine is detrimental to my health? Hmmm. Also, Steve Pavlina (he runs a blog if you didn't know) commented that caffeine reduces his ability to think intuitively, so maybe it's all another big conspiracy. Those damn teabags are destroying our souls or something like that.

"Violence solves everything. If it's not solving your problems, you aren't using enough of it."

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Some more notes: http://chetday.com/caffeineeffects.htm

'Caffeine, you see, acts a as powerful vasoconstrictor in the brain. That is, it constricts blood vessels in the brain and decreases circulation!'

So that's why I can't win a cent at poker recently, I'm stupidifying myself. Dammit. Stupidifying isn't even a word. That is how stupid i have become.

http://www.bodytechnician.com/caffeine.html

deadly headaches:
http://coffeefaq.com/site/node/10

"Violence solves everything. If it's not solving your problems, you aren't using enough of it."

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Eh, just call me a caffeine-head, but there's only so far I'm willing to go to be "clear' or whatever.  I haven't been caffeine-free since I started drinking coffee at 8, and I don't plan on being caffeine-free 'til the day the lower me in the ground. 

Regarding the reports of caffeine effects:  I've heard that it's bad for your energy, then I've heard just the opposite-- that caffeine protects you from negs and increases your perceptions.  As far as health goes, just pick one today, another study will come out to contradict it tomorrow.  "It's good for you!  Oh, wait, it's bad for you!  Oh, sorry, we were wrong-- it's the best thing for you EVER!" etc. 

Experiment with it for a while and see for yourself, that's the only way you'll ever know.

4 (edited by montalk 2007-05-01 16:17:09)

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Daily caffeine intake leads to adrenal fatigue, which wears out the heart, reduces bloodflow to the brain, increases the stress hormone cortisol, throws off other hormones, and makes you age faster. But I think there is an additional effect -- it first overexcites the etheric body, causing it later to weaken. With a weakened etheric body, your soul finds it harder to express through the body, the body ages more quickly because there is less of an energetic 'scaffolding' to keep the cells working in proper pattern, and you would become more reliant on physical-brain thinking since the reduced etheric strength cuts off receptivity to nonphysical stuff. Pavlina is right on with is observation. Your intellectual and tactical abilities may increase, but true creativity and intuitiveness goes down. Therefore caffeine might be "good" for college students, cops, corporate people, etc... who don't use higher intuitive thinking anyway. Put in terms of the Ra Material terminology, I think caffeine increases physical energy at the expense of vital energy.

In my experience, 20 mg or less per day is still okay, especially if you take a break from caffeine every couple of days. That covers light teas, some chocolate, or decaff coffee. But fully caffeinated coffees, especially from Starbucks, are absolutely the worst... I do think there is a caffeine conspiracy though, coinciding with the epidemic of sleep deprivation in this country, to turn people into zombie workers cut off from their spirits. Too much caffeine is an excitotoxin to the etheric body, that's my conclusion.

I get migraines if I have too much caffeine for a couple days and then go cold turkey. And if not a migraine, then at least a couple days' worth of fuzzy-brain, bouncing knees, not feeling like doing anything important --- all symptoms of weakened etheric or lowered vital energy. It's good as a temporary booster every once in a while when you really need it, but I wouldn't recommend it as a daily thing or else it becomes an addiction. That would be like never changing the oil in your car, and instead adding nitro to your fuel to overcome the sluggish engine... things just overheat and wear out.  If I go off caffeine for a week, my energy levels even out (few or no crashes), my mind is more consistently clear through the day. A better substance for increasing energy levels, though without side-effects, is spirulina. A tablespoon a day does more than caffeine in terms of heightened alertness, but without interfereing with the intuitive stuff.

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I've been off coffee for a few months.  I have done this every few years and endured the headaches for a few days... in fact some coffees even gave me headaches.  Anyway during those times of 'total abstinance' i would sometimes find myself in a situation of being an offered a coffee.   I tell ya, my heart would noticeably thump faster and my face would blush red almost immediately.  I'm really interested in montalk's post about the etheric effects of caffiene.  Just a week ago i ordered an audio lecture called  "Caffiene the Death Drug"  from S U Press.  It should arrive in ~ a week.  Whatever else it might say on the subject i will try to post here.

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My main source of caffeine is guaraná  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarana
but I only use(mixed with fruits in the blender) in the morning and not everyday.

BTW,  guaraná is much more than only caffeine...

Bye, Pictus

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I've regularily take a break from caffeine, usually once a year and don't experience any unusual side effects.  Usually I wind up drinking yerba mate (matteine) to help but I found it much harder to quit sugar the first time than taking a break from coffee...

Pictus, I'll have to check out guarana... sounds very famaliar for some reason

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I also have used (a lot of ) guarana in the past, it is a most effective stimulant and a tonic apparently as well. However, I have become somewhat sensitive to all manner of stimulants and use any of them as sparingly as fits the circumstance: for instance this morning I had coffee with the love of my life when I took her out for breakfast. I would not have made any for myself had I stayed at home. As long as I use caffeine less than daily and give myself breaks, I can tolerate it, but this makes me think that it can't be that good for me overall. I think that, as with anything, it is up to the individual, but that presupposes self-awareness, and when it comes to substance use/abuse, those are murky waters. I already added this to another posting, but it seems apprpriate here:

Cake


If you’re anything like me, then you know better.
Like me you know better, but then you do it again:
shopping spree junk food ,endurance sleeping,
drive, don’t walk, take the drink, the drag, the hit,
the bite of whatever it is that doesn’t really nourish,
but feels so fine, so good.

Maybe it’s killing us slowly … or maybe not.

But what else is there to do with this abundance of life,
endless time, boredom, mediocrity and pain?

Eating our cake, hoping for more.

Because we can.
Because we want to. 
Because we don’t want to want.
Because we don’t want to
stop.

Reality is a slippery eel, and I am a drunken fisherman.

9 (edited by Mahatma 2007-05-02 14:32:27)

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I tried to quit today and lasted about 5 hours of feeling like crap. My morning tiredness (caused by caffeine last night) could only be cured by more caffeine, so I drank some tea. I usually have about 2/3 teaspoons of sugar in each cup, so going without my sugar shots might have made the situation worse. I think I suffered from lack of attention aswell, I can't quite recall too well it was all a haze this morning.

"Violence solves everything. If it's not solving your problems, you aren't using enough of it."

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Expect withdrawal symptons to up to 10 days: headaches, shakiness, nervousness.

If you have been having a lot, maybe cut in half for a week or so before you
go on cold turkey.

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Yesterday I drank decaf tea, which contains about 3mg of caffeine in comparison to the usual 40-50mg I get in my regular cuppa and I suffered from headaches after about 2pm which were a little irritating. I cracked and drank a regular cup to make the headaches go away and I think that did the job.

I did notice that my thinking was much much clearer than when I'm jacked up on caffeine. I was playing poker and managed to put people on accurate hands which is something I rarely do and had a notable increase in thought clarity. I didn't win because the card gods are crapping on me as usual, but if i stay away from the caffeine I'm sure things will improve.

"Violence solves everything. If it's not solving your problems, you aren't using enough of it."

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Nexus: get back to me about that audio lecture please, I think somethings is up. Whenever I drink caffeine now I can feel some tingling around my temples and at the top of my head. So that point about intuitive thinking might have some merit. Since I quit smoking my brain feels like its rewiring itself so I don't know if the tingling is something to do with that or not.

Can anyone comment?

"Violence solves everything. If it's not solving your problems, you aren't using enough of it."

13 (edited by nexus 2007-05-06 21:58:41)

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Hang in there Mahatma.

I haven't heard the audio yet but i will post info when i do.  Your symptoms from caffiene drinking are showing you it is a more influential drug than you thought.  When you don't drink caffiene you notice it's force a lot more when you do.

Keep it up Great One if Gandhi could do it so can you!

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A useful place to look for symptoms of tea and coffee drinking is an online Homeopathic Materia Medica.

Here are a couple from George Vithoulkas' website http://www.vithoulkas.com/EN/materia_medica.html

THEA
(thea)

(Tea) Nervous sleeplessness, heart troubles, palpitation, and dyspepsia of old tea-drinkers. Produces most of the sick headaches Tabacum antidotal (Allen).

Head
Temporary mental exaltation. Ill-humored. Sick headache radiating from one point. Sleepless and restless. Hallucinations of hearing. Cold damp feeling at back of head.

Stomach
Sinking sensation at epigastrium. FAINT, GONE FEELING. (SEP.; HYD.; OLEAND.) Craves acids. Sudden production of wind in large quantities.

Abdomen
Borborygmi. Liability to hernia.

Female
Soreness and tenderness in ovaries.

Heart
Anxious oppression. Precordial distress. Palpitation; unable to lie on left side. Fluttering. Pulse rapid, irregular, intermittent.

Sleep
Sleepy in daytime; sleepiness at night, with vascular excitement and restlessness, and dry skin. Horrible dreams cause no horror.

Modalities
WORSE, night, on walking in open air, after meals. BETTER warmth; warm bath.

COFFEA CRUDA
(coff)

(Unroastcd Coffee) Stimulates the functional activity of all organs, increasing the nervous and vascular activity. The drinking of coffee by the aged is likely to increase production of uric acid, causing irritation of kidneys; muscle and joint pains, and with the increased susceptibility of old people to the stimulating action of coffee and tea, their use should be curtailed or carefully watched. Great nervous agitation and restlessness. Extreme sensitiveness characterizes this remedy. Neuralgia in various parts; always with great nervous excitability and INTOLERANCE OF PAIN, driving to despair. UNUSUAL ACTIVITY OF MIND AND BODY. Bad effects of sudden emotions, surprises, joy, etc. Nervous palpitation. Coffea is specially suited to tall, lean, stooping persons with dark complexions, temperament choleric and sanguine. Skin hypersensitive.

Mind
Gaiety, easy comprehension, irritability, excited; senses acute. Impressionable, especially to pleasurable impressions. Full of ideas, quick to act. Tossing about in anguish. (ACON.)

Head
Tight pain, worse from noise, smell, narcotics. Seems as if brain were torn to pieces, as IF NAIL WERE DRIVEN IN HEAD. Worse in open air. SENSITIVE HEARING.

Face
Dry heat, with red cheeks. Prosopalgia extending to molar teeth, ears, forehead, and scalp.

Mouth
Toothache; temporarily relieved by holding ice-water in the mouth. (MANGAN. OPPOSITE.) Hasty eating and drinking. Delicate taste.

Stomach
Excessive hunger. Intolerance of tight clothing. After wine and liquor.

Female
Menses too early and long lasting. Dysmenorrhoea, large clots of black blood. HYPERSENSITIVE VULVA AND VAGINA. Voluptuous itching.

Sleep
Wakeful; on a constant move. Sleeps till 3 a. m., after which only dozing. Wakes with a start, sleep disturbed by dreams. SLEEPLESS, ON ACCOUNT MENTAL ACTIVITY; flow of ideas, with nervous excitability. Disturbed by itching of anus.

Respiratory
Short, dry cough of measles in nervous, delicate children.

Heart
Violent irregular palpitation especially after excessive joy or surprise. Rapid high tension pulse and urinary suppression.

Extremities
Crural neuralgia; worse, motion, afternoon and night; better, by pressure.

Modalities
WORSE, excessive emotions (joy), narcotics, strong odors, noise, open air, cold, night. BETTER, warmth, from lying down; holding ice in mouth.

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Hi Mahatma,

It sounds like you've already received some splendid advise. I, too, was a caffeine junkie for many years. I almost died from an inadvertant overdose (trying to stay awake for a triple shift at a gas station). Messed up stuff, there.

One thing I did to help me wean myself off was during my pregnancy. At the time I just wanted to make sure I didn't have an overactive kid because of my caffeine intake. It was hard at first, and I did get headaches, but what saved me was gradually weaning myself off the leaded stuff. I just started mixing the decaf and caff. kinds together before I brewed the java. Then week by week, the decaf became the largest portion of the finished product. That really helped me. I didn't crash as bad as someone who totally stops drinking it.  If you're getting really bad die-off, then you might consider mixing the two kinds for a couple weeks. Also, drink plenty of water to help rehydrate your brain.  Once I started drinking water, it was natural for me to drink less coffee, tea, and sodas. I used to hate water, but now it's the majority of what I drink.

A good substitute for your normal tea is herbal tea. There are many different kinds out there and they all serve a different purpose. It's best to read up on it before you start out. Raspberry leaf tea is yummy, and so is chamomile. None of the herbal teas (to my knowledge) have a bunch of caffeine; actually they normally don't have any caffeine. And if the taste is off at first, just do the mixing game again. Start out half green tea--if that's what you're used to--and half herbal.  It's fun to experiment.

There's also a coffee substitute that you can find at the health food store. It contains stimulating herbs, but no caffeine. Chicory is the main ingredient in the blend. I couldn't get used to the taste, personally, but it's a good substitute if you need the buzz to get you going in the morning.

Pellucidar, that was a great excerpt on the dangers of drinking tea and coffee, but I must say that it sounds as though those people are drinking nothing but tea and coffee. Both of these substances have good qualities as well, but not when that's all you drink.  It's a matter of moderation. I went from a pot of coffee every day to less than one cup of instant organic coffee a day. I do feel much better, but I haven't totally eliminated them from my diet. A little java won't kill you, but a lot of it could. wink