32 Students Dead: Shooting at Virginia Tech (Page 7 of 8)

Everyone please, please, please try Havidol !
I thought the moon was beautiful before I started my new medication but now it talks to me too!
Okay, enough of the havidol jokes, thank-you very much.
Don't thank me, thank Havidol.
Who said that?
Mille being Silly.
Stop Laughing At Me Silly!

Y'know, when I read that in the NBC article, it sounded to me like he may have been referring to atrocities that he believes the US has carried out on his people from his native Korea.  If he actually was one of the ROTC volunteers, it's possible that he may have been placed in training for Psy-Ops or whatever that type of unit is called today.  I know that they show you all sorts of crazy things in Psy-Ops training because my dad was placed in the strategical unit of the Army's Psy-Op program back in the 1960's, and they showed him all sorts of awful and gory things that had been done to our "opponents" in previous "engagements".  Unfortunately, if their psychological screening tests let through someone with a slightly unstable (or chemically unstable) mindset, it wouldn't take much for that person to go berserk.  But then again, I can only imagine what kind of "training" they put their recruits/volunteers through now-a-days.  It still seems awfully fishy to me! 

And that entire big whoppin' package that was sent to NBC seems a bit "convenient" too.  There's no way that he took all those pictures and video and then sent it off during those two hours in between the shootings.  One of the girls that lives in the same dorm as Cho said that the location of the pictures looks like he must have taken the pics and video in the lounge of their dorm building.  I cannot imagine WHEN he could "sneak" down into the lounge and do that without someone seeing him with all his weapons and ammo.  When I was in college, it didn't matter WHAT time or day of the week it was, there was always at least a couple of people in the lounge, and someone would have seen something like that.

Which also reminds me... after the shootings took place, one of the kids that was shot in the arm told reporters that he couldn't figure out how anyone could have gotten into the building with all those weapons because every building had metal detectors before you could get inside.

It just doesn't add up, no matter what way you slice it.  My craziest conspiracy thought is that he was cloned! LOL!

LMAO!!!  That was a good one, Millenium!  I think we could all use some Havidol!

Yeah.  You sounded really self aware, spiritually developed and "ahimsa" when you jumped into a discussion that didn't concern you to admittedly start a flame war, throwin' out the personal insults.    Let's hear it for the "ahimsa." 

I didn't say you  had an agreement.  I said: 

Seemed to be.  An understanding.   Based on what?  Based on the fact that since that little hiccup in StarCat's thread you and I haven't directed a single word to each other on this forum. Not one.  It was definitely the intention on this end to not deal with you, and being that you were not addressing me at all, at any point that I've seen, then yes, there did "seem to be an understanding."

But be sure to take a moment to stop and ponder the real motivation though behind your desire to comment on "the dumb stuff."    'Cause I see people posting "dumb stuff" on NR every day....but I have yet to see you blow up at them the way you did to me.  There was definitely a whole lot more to this situation than you just "commenting on dumb stuff."  It wasn't a mere comment.  And it happened in a discussion that had nothing to do with you in the first place. 

More projecting?   

I got a feel for you back in that other thread when you brought up personal stuff that had absolutely no tie-in with the subject at hand - and then your "ouch" answer instead of providing a clear response that directly addressed things.   It revealed a lot about you, where you're coming from and how you tackle interactions with people.  A bit sketchy.   Have to mention too that the way you popped at me on the previous page of this thread, bursting out with this bit of personal insult is *identical* to the way the other posters have gone off at me in the past.  Same exact way of speaking/wording things, and same mode of operation too - I'll be interacting with somebody, and then they, the third party, steps in, pops, calls me names or insults me, and does it all in the same general style of speech....and usually always coinciding with a moon period, full or new.  Like it's the same robot, posting under a new name, or the same "something" working through them.  It's a bit amazing to watch by this point actually.

Anyway, going back to staying away from your posts, retreating to the sidelines again....

Well, I tried. Stones do not fall from the sky because there are no stones in the sky. Yeah.

Great satire of materialistic culture. Red pill, blue pill... and purple pill?

I just found this article on The Smirking Chimp:
Ismael Ax" vs. Occam's Razor
by Bob Patterson | Apr 20 2007 - 12:33pm |  permalink

Is it too early to shoot some holes in the narrative of the Virginia Tech shooting rampage story?

If you are one of those people who, while watching a movie that portrays the use of a gun, automatically starts counting the shots when the first round is fired, then you will have some questions which the mainstream media have not asked (let alone answered) in their coverage of the shooting Monday at Virginia Tech.

One of the most tedious aspects of target practice, if you are using a clip fed firearm, is reloading the bullets into the clip. Conceivably a rich kid who enjoys time on the firing range could buy a bunch of clips and have the butler load them beforehand.

"How many bullets are there in a six-shot revolver?" may sound like a stupid question, if you aren't aware of the fact that when the technology was new, it was very possible that the gun could fire off a round when jarred (maybe your horse stumbles?). It became common practice to leave one chamber empty and so those in the know would have five rounds in a six shot revolver.

How many bullets does a clip hold? That depends on the kind of gun and the size of each round. Would there be a market for clips that hold more than the usual number of rounds? An extra capacity clip is available for a Glock, but (to the best of our knowledge) it is not available for a Colt .45 automatic.

After the Monday shooting, a Google-news search for items which included information about "extra capacity clips" brought up three suggested relevant URL's. Someone at Slate online magazine had made the effort to contact a forensic expert and find out some actual facts about bullet sizes and clip capacities.

On Thursday, April 19, 2007, NBC Nightly News was reporting that the on-scene investigation of the shooting at Virginia Tech had been concluded. They casually mentioned one fact that was quickly glossed-over: several clips, including some extra capacity clips had been recovered at the crime scene.

Immediately after the shooting, Timothy Rutten wrote: " . . . taken as a whole, the news media did a thorough, competent and humane job . . ."

Really? For that statement to be true, one would have to completely disregard some annoying, unanswered questions.

If the shooter was a very unsocial guy, how did he work his way into the gun culture and procure extra capacity clips? Are they readily available to the general public? If they are not easy to obtain, how would a social recluse go about getting several? TV reporters quickly located and interviewed the man who had sold one of the pistols to Cho Sueng-Hui. Did he just walk into a gun shop and point to a picture of extra capacity clips? At one point, extra capacity clips were outlawed. Now, online information indicates that they may have been legal in Virginia. Isn't a news reporters job to clarify such obscure points? Are they just waiting for bloggers to do the research for them?

If obtaining an extra capacity clip is not easy, then it seems natural to ask: Did someone help him? Anyone who dares to ask that question is treading on dangerous ground. The shooter is being portrayed as a crazed loner who was motivated by religious fever. Was he a Christian or was he a member of some other religion? If he got help obtaining the extra capacity clips, what of it? In fiction, Dr. Hannibal Lector was a psychiatrist who's area of expertise was serial and/or spree killers. How would he analyze the Virginia Tech case? Can't the TV networks get their money's worth of information from the profiler consultants who add their expert commentary about what can be learned from the few facts that are available? Do any of the on-air TV personalities(journalists?) know anything about target practice, fire arms, or ammunition?

Is the hollow point ammunition shown in the still shots provide by the shooter readily available?

If all the hardware used Monday is difficult to obtain, where are the probing hardball questions about the esoteric world of the gun culture? Hasn't someone on TV promiesed that they would not let things like that pass by unnoticed?

What about the guy's school grades? If, as we have been led to believe, his writings are incoherent ramblings, how could he pass the courses and stay enrolled? Can you hand in a final exam that manifests incoherence and get a passing grade? If he advanced to senior year did he charm the professors into handing out a passing grade? No! He wasn't very sociable. Does the school have some kind of progressive policy that holds a variation of the "if you can pay; you can pass" philosophy? Does it take a math major to see that something here doesn't add up?

A truly sarcastic journalism critic might compare the quality of the news coverage to the fielding ability of Lucy van Pelt in the Peanuts comic strip, especially the one where she encourages the batter to hit the ball right to her, where she stands.

If Cho Seung-Hui got help, who helped him? Where are they now? Who would want to help a crazy mixed-up kid go on a shooting rampage? At this point, it looks like these impertinent questions might take an inquiring mind into a topic which might refute the contention that "we fight them there so that they won't come here."

Maybe Tim Rutton is right. At this point maybe it would just be best to second the motion and agree that " . . . taken as a whole, the news media did a thorough, competent and humane job . . ."

With that in mind, we will move along to some other innocuous and completely unrelated topics just to prove that the Occam's razor style of thinking is unpatriotic and unacceptable in this instance.
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The news media was hypnotized by the cell-phone video recorded during the Monday shooting spree. Has anyone pointed out that the video was not self-explanatory? At the beginning there were small dark figures in the lower right hand corner of the frame. Were they police officers running toward the action? Were they students running away from the shooter? Was it some unexplained shadow on the grassy knoll? The cameraman seemed to stumble. Was he running toward the shootings? Was he running away? On TV as long as there is movement in the frame, who needs an explanation, eh? Great job getting that movement and the sounds of the shooting recorded for posterity! Kudos all around!
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About 15 years after it happened, didn't a subsequent Congressional investigation of a recording of the sounds recorded from the open microphone on a policeman's radio, determine that more than three shots
were fired in Dealy Plaza in Dallas on November 22, 1963?
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If a person is afraid of vampires and werewolves, how easy is it to obtain a silver bullet?
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What ever happened to the creative mind that came up with the "magic bullet" theory?
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Maybe over the weekend, the bloggers will find answeres to all these questions. Then, on Monday the mainstream media can write the stories containing that information.
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Inspector Harry Callahan (Clint Eastwood) delivered this bit of dialogue: "I know what you're thinking. Did he fire five six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I've kinda lost track myself."

Now, while you wrap your mind around these unanswered questions, the disk jockey will play three songs: Chains, I Don't Like Mondays, and Johnny Cash's The Last Gunfighter Ballad. We gotta run. Have an "I can eat 50 eggs" type week.

While the Chimp isn't mainstream it does have a lot of readers so I was pretty exicted to find this. The article wasn't rated very high though and of the two comments this one caught my eye:
Babble

-"Is the hollow point ammunition shown in the still shots provide by the shooter readily available?"

-"If the shooter was a very unsocial guy, how did he work his way into the gun culture and procure extra capacity clips?"

Just WTF is the author implying with his ignorant twaddle? Was he smoking crack when he conceived this tripe?

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The tree of Liberty must time to time be fed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
-Thomas Jefferson

Bet this type of thinking wins the day.

Pinkrlyq, sounds like the stuff I think about. My daughter keeps telling me that I only look under rocks so I never see the sun shinning. She might be right, but I can't shake the feeling there is so much going on, for so long and TPTB have a headstart.