1 Topic by oavada (edited by oavada 2007-04-22 09:41:57)

  • Registered: 2007-04-16

Topic: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

The more i look at the history and philosophy behind Hitler and naziism, the more I believe it was a rebellious movement to counter the Jewish and Christian plan to rule the world. Hitler came to oppose the rich, elitist Jews whom he felt were bent on controlling Germany for their own materialistic ends. The remarkable way in which the Jewish media has spun Naziism in to a force of evil has corrupted the original meaning of the movement.

Hitler and the Germans came to reestablish Germanic aryanism, which he felt had been diluted by outside forces like the Jews and Christians, who systematically massacred it over the middle ages.

Hitler may have been the last real effort that will ever be able to counter the materialistic, genocidal forces of the Jews and Christians.

Hitler:

"If, with the help of the Marxian creed, the Jew conquers the nations of this world, his crown will become the funeral wreath of humanity, and once again this planet, empty of mankind, will move through the ether as it did thousands of years ago."

"I believe today that I am acting," said Hitler, "in the name of the Almighty Creator: by warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord."


any thoughts?

  • Registered: 2006-11-12

Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

You judge a tree by it's fruits.

We're all butterflies flapping our wings and changing the world.

3 Reply by Daisy (edited by Daisy 2007-04-18 09:08:23)

  • Registered: 2006-07-28

Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

My thoughts (which are more like questions):

- Does the end justify the means? Can we really bring "Light" and "Truth" to this world by savagely killing all who we perceive as "evil", be they Jews, Muslims, Christians, "reptilians" etc?

- Was Hitler not involved in negative occultism? There are several reports from his associates concerning his supposed demonic possession.

- I personally do not take Holocaust denial seriously, I just don't believe that manipulation could happen on that scale. Perhaps the events have been exaggerated, embellished, whatever, but not entirely fabricated. Did all the people Hitler killed deserve to die? Were they all Rothschilds? I don't think so, the majority would have been average, everyday people.

- His quote about "fighting for the Lord" seems a little absurd. Sure, he might have had good intentions, but you could say the same about most fanatics. Would the "Lord" condone the Nazis' behaviour?

To sum up: I do not think Hitler was a prophet, a messenger of Light, a bringer of Truth or whatever you want to call it. I think he was misguided and strongly influenced, if not totally controlled, by dark forces.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

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4 Reply by Adama (edited by Adama 2007-04-18 09:33:47)

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Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

When you go to your office just to get money, when you kiss your wife because you have to, when you eat because you will die if you don't..then you are building the NWO.
I'm not blaming people, because we all are building it on different levels when we forget our hearts.
Jews have nothing to do with US serving this system like slaves. Maybe lots of them are designing it but WE ARE ALL EATING IT!!!!!
Being selfish, arogant, greedy and so on doesn't know race, it's just human!
Hitler had an idea how to bring his race to freedom and happiness, but he didn't care bout taking other people's lives.
How could this guy be a saviour or a messiah?
If this is the case, God is German, and that means M. Oavada "you're dismissed!" (unless you become german)..

  • Registered: 2007-04-16

Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

Daisy wrote:

My thoughts (which are more like questions):


- Was Hitler not involved in negative occultism? There are several reports from his associates concerning his supposed demonic possession.

I dont see it as negative occultism. I think thats the way the media has portrayed it to cast it into the perception of it as an evil movement.  The swastika is a religious symbol that represents the creative will of the cosmos, the creative will of man, his Soul. Also used by Buddhist followers as the wheel of Brahman, the creative will of the cosmic mind.  The Iron Cross they used is also a symbol like the Christian Cross, a symbol of the integrity of the Soul, like a mandala or a Vajra cross. So he uses many symbols referencing the  integrity of the Soul.


Hitler saw the Jews as materialistic and debauched, living for material comfort and the flesh rather than the Soul.. As he stated:

---To the Jew, "The value of the individual is no longer decided by his character or by the significance of his achievements for the totality but exclusively by the size of his fortune, by his money."

---"The loftiness of a nation is no longer to be measured by the sum of its moral and spiritual powers, but rather by the wealth of its material possessions."

---"This thinking and striving after money and power, and the feelings that go along with it, serve the purposes of the Jew who is unscrupulous in the choice of methods and pitiless in their employment."



So i think theres a fair deal of religious conviction behind his ideologies, and that he may have been seeking to restore something  to humanity from the jews who he felt sold it out to materialism and wealth and worldly posessions.

It was probably a bit radical in its approach however, and to that end it may have been put into practice unskillfully..However, i think there is a fair amount of merit and authenticity behind this movement. At any rate, its fascinating study..

The Christians the Muslims as well have a fair degree of genocide and murder on their records too, but somehow theyre exempted from this castration in popular media.  Bush and the Christians can go into IRaq and murder innocent iraqis, or Christian Crusaders can decimate indigenous tribes or native americans, and its not treated with such disdain. 

Since they have the media on their side, theyre not outcast like a nazi would be..so, i really believe theyre spinning Naziism to reduce it, cast an evil light on it, and maintain the power that they have.

6 Reply by oavada (edited by oavada 2007-04-18 10:59:22)

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Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

Adama wrote:

Jews have nothing to do with US serving this system like slaves. Maybe lots of them are designing it but WE ARE ALL EATING IT!!!!!

They give us no other choice but to depend on them tho. Hitler opposed it, fought it, and he gets ostracized and condemned as an anti-christ, and spun to look like the bad guy. I dont condone killing pols or killing gays, etc, but you have to admit, the christians and the jews have a fair amount of blood if not more on their hands as well. But i dont see the Jews and the Christians being outcast like this. I see Naziism as a rebellion against the Jews and their plan of world domination. Christians massacred probably fifty, sixty times more people than Hitler did. Native americans, european tribes, muslims, etc, on an on.

Its a concern when an organization like this so ultimately controls popular consensus towards things. Anything that opposes it becomes the demonic. Mention of Naziism, or use of the swastika, or neo-naziism is condemned these days like the plague, people are so brainwashed by their spin, that theyre afraid to even say that naziism had some legitimate points. They have such a lock on the world and the people that nothing can ever oppose it anymore.

What im ultimately saying is, why must everything be under the jews and the rich white elitists? why must we all bow down to everything they say, oppose it never, or be condemned for life?

In order to live anymore, you have to have credit checks, good credit scores, good background history, etc...In other words, you have to thoroughly and completely serve the jew and his wealth. You have to enslave yourself to the rich for life, serve to make them richer. If you oppose it, as Hitler did, theyll kill you, spin you to be the bad guy, and go on exploiting everyone.

  • Registered: 2006-07-28

Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

oavada wrote:

you have to admit, the christians and the jews have a fair amount of blood if not more on their hands as well. But i dont see the Jews and the Christians being outcast like this. I see Naziism as a rebellion against the Jews and their plan of world domination. Christians massacred probably fifty, sixty times more people than Hitler did. Native americans, european tribes, muslims, etc, on an on.

And they should not be excused for killing in the name of their religion. That still doesn't make Hitler's actions right or saintly, just because Christians & Jews made some of the same mistakes he did.

oavada wrote:

What im ultimately saying is, why must everything be under the jews and the rich white elitists? why must we all bow down to everything they say, oppose it never, or be condemned for life?

Must we really do any of those things? I don't feel "condemned for life", nor do I bow down to everything they say. Actually, from moment to moment, I feel pretty free. Why the need to "oppose" anything or create mental resistance to it? What's your solution? Surely not killing all Jews or all "rich white elitists". There will always be rich elitists, power-hungry people, corrupt leaders, as long as this planet stays in its current state of consciousness. Get rid of the current ones, and new ones will pop up in their place.

oavada wrote:

In order to live anymore, you have to have credit checks, good credit scores, good background history, etc...In other words, you have to thoroughly and completely serve the jew and his wealth. You have to enslave yourself to the rich for life, serve to make them richer.

Again... do you really HAVE to?? wink

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

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  • Registered: 2007-04-16

Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

Must we really do any of those things? I don't feel "condemned for life", nor do I bow down to everything they say. Actually, from moment to moment, I feel pretty free. Why the need to "oppose" anything or create mental resistance to it? What's your solution?

The system theyve established is too materialistic. It gives us all too much opportunity to be enslaved to things that it produces. It moves us toward a)greed b) lust c)hate. In other words, it's creating conditions for soul-binding rather than soul-freeing...It's a system designed to bind the soul and keep it desirous and bound.

I think we can exist within the system and practice freedom of our religion within it, however, the conditions it creates make that so much more difficult i think for everyone. I think as a species we should create the conditions for our spiritual freedom rather than for our spiritual enslavement. In other words, we should be more fundamental in our approach to society, favoring meditation, renunciation, etc. over wealth, gain, etc.

I realize this is a grand and impractical vision at this point. This will only get worse from now on, to the point where we're so saturated with material and advertisment and desire, that most of us we'll become completely bound by our desire.

  • Registered: 2006-07-28

Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

I hate materialism too, I wish there were more room for spirituality in modern society and I wish people were more interested in meditation & renunciation than acquiring wealth & material possessions. However, you can't force people to become more "spiritual" or change their interests, they have to do that on their own. One day I think more people will start to wake up and realise that material, superficial things cannot fill the emptiness within them or provide the true happiness they are looking for - I think this is already happening on some level - and THEN they will turn to spirituality.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

Daisy's Website

10 Reply by Free_Your_Mind (edited by Free_Your_Mind 2007-04-18 22:15:26)

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Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

The NAZI symbol is a bastardization of the original, because it is backwards and tilted! That is one "trademark" of the negative occult.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40732000/jpg/_40732471_swastika_203.jpg VS http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:u21Nif6izhjFXM:http://www.religiousfreedom.com/graphics/falun_full.jpg

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Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

http://forum.noblerealms.org/img/avatars/841.jpg


S P I N

Counterclockwise

Clockwise


http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4240   # 7

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  • Registered: 2006-08-21

Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

Makes me think of what Jordan Maxwell said that the US flag we know is wrong they've made it negative it's going the wrong way.

13 Reply by Adama (edited by Adama 2007-04-19 04:47:22)

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Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

oavada wrote:

Its a concern when an organization like this so ultimately controls popular consensus towards things. Anything that opposes it becomes the demonic. Mention of Naziism, or use of the swastika, or neo-naziism is condemned these days like the plague, people are so brainwashed by their spin, that theyre afraid to even say that naziism had some legitimate points. They have such a lock on the world and the people that nothing can ever oppose it anymore.

What im ultimately saying is, why must everything be under the jews and the rich white elitists? why must we all bow down to everything they say, oppose it never, or be condemned for life?

Where are you living man?
I spent all my childhood listening to my grandparents talking about (and they are not Jews!) Nazi occupation in Europe, and I can tell you I prefer this shit we are living in than any Nazi regime.
It was a far more horrible nightmare than today's life.
Actually it looked like Irak today.
Do you really think Georges Bush is a saint?
Hitler cared about domination and possession, and used Jews as a political tool to get people involved in HIS shit, just as US government is doing about muslims.

Man wake up, speak to people who really lived that war, get out of your room, everything is NOT on internet!!!!

14 Reply by Free_Your_Mind (edited by Free_Your_Mind 2007-04-19 06:07:27)

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Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

And Hitler was funded by Prescott Bush through his Banks, and if that same banking system is run by Jews, then Jews (or a small core group) are connected to Hitlers rise in power. But that fits their "jewish steryotype" doesn't it? Selling out their own people for more money and control. But, if as you say they want the truth spinned, they could have financed him just to de-rail him as a "madman dictator".

It's a really big mess...

  • Registered: 2007-04-16

Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

Free_Your_Mind wrote:

The NAZI symbol is a bastardization of the original, because it is backwards and tilted! That is one "trademark" of the negative occult.

I dont believe that myth at all..in fact, i believe the right pointing swastika that the Nazis used was the positive swastika, and the counterclockwise one to be the negative...in other words,  a swastika that rotates counter-clockwise like the Nazis leads to "un-binding", ie towards spirital liberation and identification with the Absolute...the clockwise swastika represents "binding"- ie, the creation of the body, the universe, etc, leading to spiritual confinement and prison..In the buddhist tradition the Buddha is said to be one who "goes against the stream", ie the stream of desire and craving.....a clockwise swastika is backwards- it represents desire and creation, hence binding.

I'll quote a chatter from another forum who makes a very good case i think to clarify my position:

"In Yoga, the counter-clockwise swastika is said to 'unwind' the kundalinii - the latent spiritual potentiality. The opposite direction is said to bind it more tightly.

The science of Yantra ('junt-ruh') is the ancient yogic study of symbols and forms and how they affect the mind and the wider environment. That branch of knowledge asserts that the counter-clockwise swastika will lead to permanent victory, while the clockwise-rotating symbol will lead to annihilation."