Hello, i'm stuck.

http://www.spirit-quest.ca/Spirit-Quest.pdf

this pdf is cute, but seems to be packed with theories. the astral is for a reason or at least must be teeming with life ???  wish i could read more on what life there really is and how much dynamic in the community differences compared to here.

Hi Ganel.  Hope you are well.  Ever heard of the bear that went over the mountain?  I think it might be something like that. 

It's like, when you're there you're THERE and when you're here you're HERE, you know?

I dunno.  That's just my take on it.  Maybe it's too simplified.

(Green Jelly did a version of that song.  I like that one best.)

Sorry guys, this is a question that i just need hard repetative evidence on the fundimentals 0of weather history or spirits are real....and nothing exists even though i experience these phenomena daily...i am attempting to break down the truth of our imginative creativity. so far the general result is subjective reasoning. that being the closest, reduces the concept of all as one quite considerably. e.g a teacher arrives and asks us all to walk with it in the light....it stops the seas or electricity so we all follow...we would all obe at the same time and either go to this otherplace or create one collectively...a new earth as the sum of it's parts, just as this concrete jungle has become..

Captan, graceful answer. I remember to south america to sample a plant there with others... Then aliens would arrive and take them all to a world with a big dome. The people were all playing in this place and all remembered each other after the plant session. never has this explanation or place been recorded in that part of the world throughout history. there was a crucifiction of a god man around 33AD but the experience written by a spiritualist Stuart Wilde was quite the reality i would expect.

It is fact that several people can be hypnotized intensely by aliens. so the experience can be manipulated by higher minds.

Your ideas remind me of him. Yet i wonder, two soul mates, travel ing OBE to Saturn 5000BC. and coming back to tell the others in their magical circle or camp site or wherever. at least one person in history may have elaborated the idea for a novel or movie but we have very little fantasy, because there is very little written fact. It must be easy for whole groups to travel together, i have researched this. but the concept seems vaguely written. always I am feeling a lie somewhere.

we must be the bravest to come here if beings greater than us do not find courage....That sounds so cute, but i cannot see this as true, when there are many desperate to be here. Maybe all these spiritual teachers have risked great amounts to come down to this island of pain pleasure pain pleasure ...sensation..

Stuart Wilde has an amazing website do a google...Sorry my grammar is oor without sleep..

lilmomma ...your words remind me of a moon goddess i am trying to shake off right now...or the phantasm of one...

The bear went over the mountain
to see what he could see.
The other side of the mountain
was all that he could see.

SO

He went back over the mountain
to see what he could see.
The other side of the mountain
was all that he could see!

i know it well. I even had an experience of my life one black moon night.

Camping in mountains,
villiages below,
noise made me move my tent
to the other side below....

tent pegs and washing out,
i rest to be asleep,
then a roaring from next door shouts,
for me to be very meek...

OBE is impossible for me until i fix my halo, so, i am one foot outside this 3d and the hinting all around suggests that things are not really as they are made to be....like history, the other realms, space...time... all these concepts are constantly hinting invalid, invalid... When no proof arrives to quash these feelings, I ask silly questions...

There is nothing outside Earth. That was my first assumptive discovery..

Then I noticed that group OBE sessions were contrived or perhaps subjective to an outside source I think. There was and is no central place for OBE travellers to congregate..

IS IT ME OR IS THAT NOT A LITTLE BIT ODD THAT THE SOCIABLE HUMANS DO NOT COLONIZE OTHE PLACES, HOLD TALKS OR DUTIES TO THESE OTHER PLACES OR HAVE AT LEAST A SINGLE WEBSITE FOR DEDICATED FOLLOWERS OR VISITORS OF THAT CHOSEN OTHER REALM... THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A NATURAL CHOICE, TO ESTABLISH CAMP FOR THE MANY...I MUST BE IGNORANT OF INFORMATION HERE?

THANKS janzenjan. there is no need to know. I always see this as crucial to knowing. That is how I have been these twenty years, but the messages grow louder. i suppose if i inore the fact that the pain on the wall is blue, i will see the rest of the room as the sun begins to rise ???

I can see a bottom line on something our imaginations are. powerful more than i can actually imagine. How's that for knowing ?? hehe

I believe that it is easy to impression upon all humans a grey body suit alien. i question whether the image of an elf is no longer a scarey image to present to the blind humanity. i question everything though. I hear no writings of what the elves are doing for us enough to sigh and think that a plan a, plan b etc are set up... secrecy secrecy is not my happiest handicap to bust...so i question....i think we are the greatest originators and this place is pretending to be concrete because we all agree....that's the power of imagination over matter but we don't know it...until i can experience anything on paper...we have many images of 4th dimensional...any elves seen by anyone? i know i won't get an answer. i never did the last time...that is another reason why i question...answers do not fit the bill as we really do not know..do we?

as there is no proof of space the universe, but for what the nasa Freemasons tell us, dimensions exist as much as we believe or are manipulated to believe, why not question the reality of spirits and time as these may actually be also subjective data created perhaps by our beliefs around our fears. as they say, satan is nothing with our humanity believing in such things as good and evil. collectively of course

What you described sounds like abduction-related stuff.  Whether human or "alien," I don't know, but it has many of the same components.  Figures writing on clipboards while stuff is being done to you - very MILABS-esque.  Being in cylinders in general, sounds like both alien or MILABS.  And most important of all - having your sense of reality screwed with - more MILABS-related stuff.  I had a dream back in 2002 where I was shown what realitiy would be like without the "matrix program" in place in parts.  (back story - it had been revealed to me that certain areas of this world are now actually in fact holographic projections, filling in the void where "stuff" has gone missing.  While I believe in the concept of holographic inserts, in fact, Barbara Marciniak talks about it as well in "Bringers of the Dawn," I don't believe the explanation as given to me, BUT, who knows....) So this human male abduction "Them" is narrating off to the side in this "dream," showing me one of these reality voids - it scared the crap out of me at the time, and I woke up with my heart racing, nerves on end, adrenaline surging.  I felt like I had been hovering in a black empty void of nothing.

Was what I experienced the real situation with reality?  Probably not.  Was someone messing with me?  Clearly. Your situation could be an abductino-related memory of some sort, or something being done to you in the astral/etheric, I don't know.  I still don't know how it all works.   I don't think people just have these types of dreams like what you described, or what I had unless "somebody" is involved with them on the side - abductions or what have you.  So something definitely seems to have occurred to you, above and beyond normal dreams, but what that something is, I'm not sure.  It's worth investigating though, see if you have other signs of having been taken/programmed.

Just something to consider.....

You should take a picture, document it.  Jot down the date, if you can remember, or at least a close approximation.  Don't know for certain if you're an abductee, but there's definitely suspicious indicators, from what you're describing. If you're interested to look closer and pursue the possibility that "stuff" may be happening to you start looking to see if there are any other signs and symptoms....