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im tellin ya, thats ancient and righteous and for some good reason, albeit not exactly clear. the 3 day wake. the 'wait'.
I read somewhere that when someone dies, their spirit hangs around for about 3 days before going anywhere else, not sure if that's the reason, but who knows...
OMG Pinky-- I think you're right! That does look like him! And glad to see you back!
I can't seem to stop using exclamation points!
Today at work they were doing the free lunch thing, so everybody was gathered around the conference room table, eating. There was about 15 of us maybe, most. The subject of Virginia Tech obviously came up, since it's local, and people know people who go there. Then somebody questioned the two hour lag time between shootings with no action on behalf of the school - it was a guy in his 40s that to me feels real. He's got that life spark energy, really funny, high energy. So I take the opportunity to expand on that, throwing in my 4 cents about the fact that they closed the school within half an hour of a bomb threat....but did nothing after the first 7:15 a.m. shooting, where a student died?? Several people started nodding their heads around the conference table, murmuring about it. "Yeah...that IS weird......"
Then this one young guy about my age, who's normally a relatively low key, melancholy, monotone speaking guy and Dilbert lookalike (but younger and buffer, but with the glasses and same hair cut) immediately takes over the conversation, shutting down the questioning. Almost acting as a PR spokesperson for Virginia Tech you could say. "No, you have to understand..." he leaned forward towards me on the conference table, with a spark of life in his eyes and feeling in his voice that you don't normally see with him. And he shoots down the suspicions that I had, and which several others may have started to have after listening to me. He explains that they didn't know it was going to turn into a shooting. They just thought it was a domesticate dispute...an isolated incident. They didn't know, and you have to understand, these things take time. They take time, it's not like you just call the police and they show up right away with all their men.....they didn't know, and it takes time....
blah blah blah.
I'm sitting there listening to him, nodding slowly like "huh.....yeaaaaah....." and just dropped it. It was supposed to be one of those final farewell, the office is closing, let's get together and have free lunch sort of get togethers, not a debate that makes people uncomfortable and squirmy in their seats, picking at their food.
But it was just the instant way he piped up and wanted to shut down any sorts of questions or suspicions. There was emotional investment in it. A need to defend. Why though? He didn't go to VT. He went to collage in Massachusetts. But he got what he wanted. He won, I didn't argue and just let it go in light of the fact that this was supposed to be some happy fluffy luncheon thingy. By the time he was done, the other guy who is cool and feels real was nodding his head and agreeing, as were most others around the table. Suspicions were squelched. End of story. Nothing to see here, move it along.
Seems to me like the matrix in action, working through people. I'm getting tired of the fact that pretty much guaranteed, in any mainstream arena, you can't question jack shit about anything without facing the smack down. Somebody is guaranteed to take over the conversation and dominate, or sometimes even getting worked up and being a verbal steamroller. They don't, won't, even listen to another view, so quick to defend the status quo, the mainstream version of events getting passion and energy behind the eyes.
There was a coworker at the hotel I used to work at who got that way the second I questioned 9/11. In his case though he flat out got fiery and angry. Normally he acted like a heavy-lidded drunk - you know those people who normally are fiery and obstinate but try to mute it with drugs or alcohol, so their eyes have a muted fieriness to them under heavy lids? Something that's barely being contained? Well, that's how this guy normally was...until I dared to question 9/11. Then it emerged. I had to drop the subject. He got too fiery and hostile about the points I made, wouldn't even LISTEN. Wanted to stamp out the conversation.
This guy today wasn't that bad - he's too Dilbert-like for that sort of hostileness 
- but there was still this something that rose up the second I pointed out weird discrepancies and started questioning things.
Lyra, sometimes I think there are just entities on different frequencies using these 'matrix agent' people as puppets. They hack into them and get them to end anything that might lead to a higher level of awareness which is the death of the matrix if too many people get into that. Might as well have a screen that pops up to tell everyone that this program has performed illegal operations and must shut down.
i believe thats right, belljar. they/the dead maybe do need 3 days. it takes awhile to cross, see the way thru apparently. or this, and its just custom and is imbedded in the psyche, from? pastlives as/in?:
ca 900 AD: Zoroastrian
The Pahlavi text Dadestan-i Denig ("Religious Decisions") describes the particular judgment of the soul three days after death, with each soul sent to heaven, hell, or a neutral place (hamistagan) to await Judgment Day...
not easy to find alot on it. also remember reading that when a death occurred in the 'old' days, it took at least that long to get from point a to b for the funeral. the ceremony of passing. the body lays in state, and decay begins officially biologically on day 3.
look at this--and i was looking for that 49 thing way back:
"The recitation of the bardo text to the departed may last for a total of 49 days. This is done at first in the presence of the corpse but later a representation of it. The 49 days is supposed to be the maximum length of days the soul would spend in the bardo. This given figure is probably symbolic, representing as it does the number 7 squared. The number 7 is the mathematical and geometrical principle in which our solar system is based. We have many indications of the number seven as creative manifestations, for instance, the seven colours of the light spectrum, and the seven notes in an octave. Forty-nine days of the bardo may also refer to soul-progression and evolution within the 49 realms of the cosmic physical plane. In Indonesia, 40 days is referred to as the period it takes for the soul to complete its wandering in the borderland between the physical and higher worlds before settling in its destined home in the subtle spheres. In other traditions, three days and three nights after transition are considered to be of some importance to the soul. For instance, the Hadhokht Nask, one of the scriptures of Zoroastrianism, declares that the soul remains near its body for such a period."
"This 3-day lingering is probably based on the occult fact that sometimes the sutratma may still be connected to the body after the pronouncement of "death," meaning that the so-called corpse is actually in a comatose state and that revival may occur."
"Being symbolic, in reality the 40 or 49 days may take just a few moments or several days. Should the spiritual guide be unable to attend to the dying for reasons of physical distance, an effigy is usually made to represent the one undergoing transition with personal effects surrounding it to attract by magnetic attunement the awareness-principle of the dying pilgrim. The instructions of the Bardo Thodol may thus telepathically be heard by the dying soul."
from http://www.contenttycoon.com/self-impro … -3075.html
read the next few paragraphs--pretty informative. im at work so will email to myself or save. thats why im on here all day today practically. miss u guys and felt like communicating. always looking at the history of things is fascinating and can teach so much. i better say no more and derail the thread. yikes, im done now. i think.
i believe thats right, belljar. they/the dead do need 3 days. it takes awhile to cross, see the way thru apparently.
Now that makes sense...
"that 3 day thing"
Yes yes YES
And I think it is every bit as important for the living, those in mourning, as the deceased.
Time of death: 10:26
Funeral processions: 11:15
Lunch: hey..right on time
This is nuts. People (living) nowadays have NO time to acclimate, grieve, and accept their loss, it is glossed over so we not only become numb to life, (per the conditioning) but also to death!
This cannot be healthy on any level, for anyone, and it is a very disturbing trend. It used to be said we lived a "fast food/ drive-thru existence, now it has accelerated beyond into the cellphone/ipod instantaneousness.
Where the F do we go from here?! J
Guess what the killer shot everyone 3 times. Geeze what's with this reality it's being a little bit too honest.
Could the pawns of the dark side be letting the truth show through intentionally? Like maybe there's just a tiny, subversive human element left. It can't resist following orders, but it can follow them so well that it's obvious. What's that scripture-- if a man asks for your shoes, give him your cloak as well?
Here's the closest to proof that it WAS a programmed sniper- http://www.rense.com/general76/disf.htm
wow
3 shots each belljar? Was that mainstream info?
That is insane....... J
edit- just saw the link about the 3 shots, unbelievable
Hi Lono!! 
Hi Zenden!!
I agree with the "3 day thing" (at a very minimum)! Some souls, like you said Zenden, need much more time to depart this plane and move onto the next. It seems our current society has forgotten not only nature's rules, but also the spiritual rules. Pity. It looks like most of the population has succumbed to the mental, physical, and spiritual slavery that the grand master evil plan had in mind from two thousand years ago. I'm telling you, I'm starting to think that we've all been lied to about just who "won" after they put Jesus on that cross. We're still under a Roman-style rule. They're just using "the good guy's name" to do it!! Invade, divide, conquer, kill the nonconformists, convert the rest to "democracy", tax them, make them believe they're "free", but obey our laws as they work for us... It's high-tech slavery. All in the name of "good ol' American values of the God fearin' people". They will use any and all means to attain their end. We've been lied to for too many hundreds of years.
Anyway, sorry for that rant. This Virginia Tech thing has just opened my eyes a little wider. It seems that whoever is behind this is getting so greedy (or desperate?) that they're getting sloppy with carying out their plans. At this point, I'm starting to think that this event is being pinned on another "patsy". I could have sworn in the new reports yesterday evening that they said the gunmen was found (dead) by himself, alone, in another classroom. Now they're reporting that they had a difficult time identifying him because he was among the other dead students?! IF THEY HAD NO IDEA WHO IT WAS IN THE FIRST PLACE, HOW DID THEY KNOW WHO TO TRY AND IDENTIFY?! I wonder if the clothes on the accused student's body matched that of the eye-witnesses, or did they just need time to find a "most likely candidate" out of the dead.... And a REAL quick coverup... "Let's mourn and get back to class ASAP."
And the local police look as though the FBI (or worse?) just threatened to kill their entire family if they say the wrong thing. One BIG "wtf" is the reports of the supposed 2 unidentified weapons found at the first shooting... They supposedly found that the balistics match from the first and second shooting... So they're saying that "it's likely there was only one gunman" and he's among the other dead students. Why on EARTH would one gunman use a gun to kill the first two students, LEAVE two other "unidentified weapons" (let's just say they're guns), but take the SAME gun with him to kill 30 (or is it 31?) other people 2 hours later???? IT MAKES NO SENSE (even if he was supposed to be "disturbed")!! And now it looks like there's a FULL OUT smear campaign to make this kid look like the WORST kind of disturbed closet psychotic just waiting to snap. It all stink to high hell to me!
I've been thinking of some kind of scenario that could make more sense, and I do think there could be a real reason. Unfortunately, it sounds crazy even to my own mind. I've been running through thoughts that would tie the dark PTB with their little cartel of other-worldly agendas to the event at hand. I'm thinking that the "real" target(s) of the attack must have been "scheduled for termination" for reasons that would be hard for "normal people" to fathom (even as sinister as eliminating the future offspring of a certain individual(s)... y'know the whole bit about if you could travel back in time to kill Hitler... Well, just to be *sure*, wouldn't it be better to kill both his parents in their youth? Something tells me this underground cartel of the PTB *are* that sinister) But I think the initial shooting that took place (ironically, it was a male and female student) was a mistake.... The shooter realized that he'd killed the wrong people, and so he had to track down where the right "target(s)" were.... It must have taken a couple of hours to figure out, and when he found which building, maybe he still wasn't exactly sure what they looked like or where they were at in the building. So just to *make sure* that the right people/person would be "eliminated" he chained the doors shut, and shot to kill (3 times, as trained) anyone who got in his way. Also, it may have suited TPTB's political agenda to have many people killed, so the whole Gun Control bit could be focused on again. It's all misdirection and slight of hand. And even if someone got to the bottom of the truth, no one would believe it. It's just too crazy!
The Queen of England's interest is almost amusing from a "conspiracy" standpoint. There was a movie made about her lack of response to her own daughter-in-law's death (she wouldn't even comment over a telephone about it), but a school shooting in a different country is going to rouse the old bitch off her throne, out of her castle, and across the Atlantic?!... Oh yeah, and by the way, she was going to make the trip anyway, but neglected to announce it... so I guess there's no mystery and nothing to see there... move along now.... Yeah, right... my noble ASS!!!
Alrighty then, I've run out of conspiracy steam, so I'll just shut up for now and go watch some more My Name is Earl. But I say... Watch for more things that make you go "HUH?" very shortly. Intuition is saying that they're nearing the end of their run, and they're in an all out scramble for the finish line. They're bound to trip up a few more times.
I saw two of the students who survived the classroom shootings on TV talking about what happened. One of them said that the shooter clearly knew what he was doing. "He was trained." He didn't say anything to them when he entered the classroom, he just started shooting. I think they said he shot the professor first. After the first round of shots, he left the classroom, and came back. The students who were standing held the door shut so he couldn't come back inside. He tried to shoot at them through the door, but none of those shots hit the students.
I get the feeling that Cho was programmed to kill specific people who had stepped out of line in some way or posed a threat. He was instructed to eliminate certain people and then continue killing others to make it seem like they were all chosen at random, and to stop only when the death toll reached 33. I am wondering if he went back to the classroom because he had missed someone, and failing a second time, killed himself instead.
Last August Virginia Tech was evacuated on the opening day of classes when an escaped convict shot a police officer in Blacksburg...and that didn't even happen on campus!
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/79080
As to why these students were "in the wrong place at the wrong time"...as Bush so eloquently put it 
...consider this. When things like this happen there is always someone who normally would have been present, but was running late, or simply decided not to show up. Something interfered with their usual routine. Maybe they had a strange feeling, or just couldn't get going. On an energy level it would be like pushing through a wall of resistance to get to this place where they are not meant to be.
There are other people who will show up at the appointed place and time, regardless of their feelings about it in that moment. They will ignore any flashes of intuition or gut feelings that warn against being there, because they have strong beliefs in terms of doing what is expected of them. They see a path stretching ahead of them, and feel that taking one step off that path, like missing a class, or a day or work, would lead to failure.
Most college students exist in a sort of limbo between childhood and adulthood. They are virgins in the sense that they haven't yet entered the "adult" world in earnest. Society puts a lot of pressure on young people to do well in school, get a degree, and get a job. Many are unable to imagine a future for themselves outside of this narrow expectation, and lack the real-world experience that would show them other options.
There is a match in energy between the quiet desperation of people who conform, and the rage of a person who does the unimaginable.
People who are confronted with life-or-death situations are unconsciously looking for a way to exit the physical plane. If a soul is ready to leave, no security guard or law enforcement agent can stop their death. Some of the students who were there saved their own lives by jumping from windows, crouching behind desks, or pretending to be dead.
The message that is coming through loud and clear in this event, is a reminder that we are all responsible for our own lives. We can't rely on any forces outside of ourselves to rescue us or protect us from harm.
*EDIT* Pinkrlyq I didn't see your post while I was writing mine, you went into it a lot deeper about those people being targeted deliberately...I agree!
Seems to me like the matrix in action, working through people. I'm getting tired of the fact that pretty much guaranteed, in any mainstream arena, you can't question jack shit about anything without facing the smack down. Somebody is guaranteed to take over the conversation and dominate, or sometimes even getting worked up and being a verbal steamroller.
Yeah, I have encountered this so many times that I've pretty much just given up. I generally don't even bother to bring up points or try and discuss issues anymore in public ... especially at work ... because it's just futile, and if anything is more likely to backfire than do anything else. I'll occasionally throw out a comment here or there that's a total 180 from mainstream thought, for the benefit of the maybe 1 person out of 10 who might pick up on the fact that something is seriously wrong, but that's about it. Things are just so far gone now that the people that STILL haven't figured it out ... well ... probably aren't supposed to. If they're that dumb, that automatic in their mindless reactions, there's really no point in trying to reach them on any level. If anything it's probably just harmful in the sense that you're wasting your own energy by trying, instead of channeling it into a more constructive place.
Pinky and Athenais, I found both of your posts to be very insightful and on target. I know the answer is in there somewhere. The question is, will we (the public) ever be allowed to see it?
One item of info that confused me: he obtained his guns legally and from reputable shops, and yet he scratched the serial numbers off of them. Why? If he planned on using them for a crime he planned to escape from, why buy them through legal channels at all? And if he didn't plan to leave that campus, why scratch them off?
Also, I still don't believe there was just one shooter. My guess is that shooter number 1 was killed by shooter number 2, who then escaped. It's better to have only one programmed slave leave, and they would have chosen the more reliable and trusted one.
As a non-US resident, I see this thing in a different way...
First, this kind of shit NEVER happens in countries where wearing a gun is just the cops and gangsters business(and even for these people, it's very unfrequent to see gunfights). If you can buy a gun so easily, then it's easy for weak people to use it.
I guess this "gun culture" weakens people by promoting fear among citizens, that's why your government love it so much.
Second of all, American culture (or what's been given to us outside of the US through movies, songs and TV shows for more than 30 years now) is just about being the best and destroying everyone that is in the way. Every american college movie talk about strong people picking on neirds and beautiful girls going after them. It's always about being a looser or a winner, cool or neird. I've been to university for seven years and have never seen that kind of thing in Europe.
It's looks like the pressure is really too high in US to make "it", be the best and so on.
I guess more and more people can't manage this pressure and just "disconnect", opening a door in their mind for entities that posses them.
Third of all, medias are making stars of these killers, talking shit about these events for weeks and saying NOTHING interesting. When I watch CNN, these journalists look like vampires on a piece of juicy meat.
If someone need desperate attention, he will find it through medias very easily.
From an outsider, everything in this competition and domination culture will make this kind of things happen very naturally, these weak people being a kind of "valve" to evacuate the pressure everybody is feeling.
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