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Re: 32 Students Dead: Shooting at Virginia Tech

also a middle eastern guy turned in video footage to CNN, and you can hear the shots of the guns, and screams by people.  One sound, sounded like a loud explosion and not a gun!

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Re: 32 Students Dead: Shooting at Virginia Tech

so maybe it was a grenade wtf?

18 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2007-04-16 18:01:02)

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Re: 32 Students Dead: Shooting at Virginia Tech

From CNN: 

CNN wrote:

Asked why the campus, which has more than 26,000 students, was not shut down after the first shooting, Flinchum responded that police determined "it was an isolated event to that building and the decision was made not to cancel classes at that time."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech. … index.html

That's just bizarro.  From what I understand, this same campus had at least two bomb threats within the two weeks or whatever?  Where classes were canceled?


article wrote:

April 3, 2007

A written bomb threat led Virginia Tech to evacuate a 100,000-square-foot building, cancel the classes within it, and close a major gateway to the campus for much of Monday.

Torgersen Hall will remain closed and under observation by authorities, but "the tape has come down [and] the roads are open again," university spokesman Larry Hincker said shortly before 6 p.m.

Tech's police department continues to investigate, he said. The building is expected to reopen at 7 a.m. today.

The threat was reported about 1:20 p.m. and the decision to evacuate came a little less than half an hour later, Hincker said. The Alumni Mall, a major gateway to Tech, was closed as the building was searched by bomb-sniffing dogs from Dublin, Roanoke and state police.

Hincker, who has been at Tech two decades, said the only comparable bomb threat he can remember was in October 2001, when a fake device was found in Newman Library.

-- Albert Raboteau

http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/111558

ABC News wrote:

Shootings Follow Two Bomb Threats

ABC News has confirmed that there were two separate bomb threats last week at Virginia Tech.

The first was directed at Torgersen Hall, a classroom and laboratory building, while the second was directed at multiple engineering buildings. Students and staff were evacuated, and the university sent out e-mails across campus, offering a $5,000 reward for information about the threats.

"I got the e-mails, but my impression was it was prank or nothing serious," said Wargo, describing the Blacksburg campus as "pretty peaceful."....

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3045574&page=3

And then there was an ABC News photo caption that said:  "While the first shooting at the dorm at 7:15 a.m. resulted in at least one death, the gunman's subsequent tragic rampage at Norris Hall resulted in at least 31 more deaths...."



So, getting this straight now....

A bomb *threat* gets classes canceled immediately, within half an hour. 

An actual shooting occurs, people dead, and they just shrug and keep going, and don't even send an email out until two hours after the fact.

okey dokey.

that makes sense.

Something's very not right here.  It's either gross human negligence, or a conspiracy.  Take your pick.  But it's amazing that their gross negligence JUST so happens to lead to the worst mass shooting in U.S. history. (wars aside, of course.)

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Seems these things always involve planning on the level of 9/11- the prior ban on firearms on campus, the lateness in response, the high possibility of a (or many) MC assassin(s), MySpace e-mails forewarning intent, police thinking it was 'isolated'?! and contained, "ok boys our work here is done.... what? more shots?"

Yeah, how many people dropped the ball today... was the dean reading a book to some students, by any chance?                                             J

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Re: 32 Students Dead: Shooting at Virginia Tech

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what does 33 mean?  just wondering.  33rd degree of masonry?  or something?

Yep, look on the back of a one dollar bill the eagle has 32 feathers on one side and 33 feathers on the other side. For 32nd and 33rd degrees of masonary. The dollar has tons of occult/masonic messages all over it.

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Re: 32 Students Dead: Shooting at Virginia Tech

DavidIcke.com forum poster pointed out the Virgin in Virginia they like to sacrifice virgins in the negative occult. Not that these college students probably were but it's still symbolic. Anyway head on over there if you want to see pages of decoding of the event through numbers.

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What seems crazy to me is not that they didn't lock down the campus after the first shooting, but the length of time of the second shooting!

From the timeline on msnbc, the shooting was first reported at 9:15 and was still going on at least until 9:50! That's an eternity!

To actually kill 32 people with small caliber semi-automatic pistols (9 mm and .22, I understand), which are not particularly accurate, this man must have been extremely well trained, and he must have fired 100's of rounds, I would think.  Maybe I watch too many movies, but it just seems like the police should have been able to drop him in that time.

23 Reply by Pinkrlyq (edited by Pinkrlyq 2007-04-16 22:04:22)

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Re: 32 Students Dead: Shooting at Virginia Tech

I agree that the 32/33 thing is really weird and significant.  I wondered what it meant too.  I was more interested in the few descriptions of the shooter.  When I first heard of this whole thing today, the reports that were initially given were very strange, as far as the time difference and confusion with the lack of emergency protocols to warn and protect the rest of the student body and faculty.  And especially with later hearing what Lyra has said earlier about the lack of action considering the earlier bomb threats!! 

Here's a couple of "significant" (or rather interesting) descriptions of the shooter from student eye-witnesses.... (see if you think it's as weird as it seems to sound.... or maybe even weirder)

BBC Article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6560685.stm

US university shooting kills 33

Virginia Tech student Erin Sheehan said she survived an attack on her German class and described the gunman.

She said: "He was, I would say, about a little bit under six feet tall, young looking, Asian, dressed sort of strangely, almost like a boy scout, very short-sleeved light, tan shirt and some sort of ammo vest with black over it."

Reuters Article:  http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ … edType=RSS

Gunman kills 32 in worst U.S. shooting rampage

One student told CBS News the killer was an Asian male, about 6 feet tall, who walked into his German class and shot a student and professor before systematically shooting nearly all of the other students in the room.

"I hid under the desk and he proceeded to shoot everybody else in the class, practically," said Derek O'Dell, who suffered an gunshot wound in his arm. "There were probably 15 to 20 people in the class and he shot 10 to 15 of them."

He said the gunman, who was wearing a black leather coat and maroon hat, fired several shots from a handgun, reloaded and resumed shooting. The man left the room, but returned and fired into the door before leaving again, O'Dell said.

A maroon hat?!  I wonder if it might not have been a maroon beret (which is commonly associated with airborne divisions of various militaries).  And dressed rather strangely, "almost like a boyscout"..... Y'know the way the gunman moved about systematically and calmly and then so quickly taking his own life (supposedly was a gunshot to the head in latest reports)... Almost seems like some sort of mind-controlled elite military type person. 

Oh yeah, and just as I suspected... they're having difficulty trying to identify him because he carried no ID on him.  Seems to me like there is most definitely more to this story than we'll ever be told.   Then again, maybe I've just been watching too many X-Files reruns!

[Edit:  Interesting!  I just went to double check the article to the second (Reuters) story I put a link to, and it seems that they changed their article.  Same link, different article.... and now the article is missing the description of the shooter (with the maroon "hat").  It seems the details that slip out into  early reports on these kinds of events are quickly erased.]

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24 Reply by Pamelajean (edited by Pamelajean 2007-04-16 22:25:40)

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Re: 32 Students Dead: Shooting at Virginia Tech

He said the gunman, who was wearing a black leather coat and maroon hat

I'll tell you what's weird, men rarely use the word maroon when describing the color. Most men  will interpret maroon as red or brown (unless, of course, the student is an interior decorator).

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Re: 32 Students Dead: Shooting at Virginia Tech

Well, the headlines in Turkey is an accident of elementary school bus killing 33 students in middle Anatolia.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti … wsid=70810

Coincidence?

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26 Reply by SamIAm (edited by SamIAm 2007-04-17 01:42:26)

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so did the gunman have a entity attachment?  and did all the innocent college kids attract this to themself by way of their thoughts?  (these situations always make me question the law of attraction)

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I recall Arizona Wilder saying their rituals have increased they are doing them not just on assigned days but any day and any way they can now to get the power. If you watch the news whether it's the 'lone' gunman or war deaths most of them come in numbers that have occult meaning behind them.

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SamIAm wrote:

so did the gunman have a entity attachment?  and did all the innocent college kids attract this to themself by way of their thoughts?  (these situations always make me question the law of attraction)

Could be an MPD with an alter programmed for a specific task. They can get people to be like robots with the right mind control.

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Lono wrote:
belljar wrote:

The death toll is 33 now and you all know what that means.

I was waiting for that one. 

I'm confused about one thing.  In several of the stories, they report gunfire erupting at two different areas of the school.  Are they saying the gunfire in both places was simultaneous, or that it was two separate incidences (with the two-hour lag)?

Apparently he shot some people at the first building, left and then barricaded the doors of the next building a couple hours later and shot more people.

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SamIAm wrote:

and did all the innocent college kids attract this to themself by way of their thoughts?  (these situations always make me question the law of attraction)

I don't think the "law of attraction" applies here.  Death in general is a whole other thing from "you create your own reality" "Law of Attraction" and "The Secret."    "Oh, I thought about death and guns, therefore I attracted it to myself!"  Um, no, doesn't work that way if you've got a developed soul and an incarnational goal and mission.  You die when it's your time to go, as determined by your higher self probably, something along those lines.  Other people attribute that higher force to be "God," an actual being of sorts.  Or "angels."  Or spirit guides and protectors.  Fill in the blank.  But if it's not your time, then you won't.  Some people on NR recently have discussed their protective intervention that plucked them out of harm's way and prevented them from getting killed prematurely. So, that's a very real thing.  If it's not your time, it's not your time.   

So for these people, and any of these group killing tragedies, it could have been a pre-incarnational sort of karma thing, something some of these kids agreed to, for whatever reason - more things we can't know and understand, we can't know why a soul chooses the way it's going to exit.  Or, and here's what it gets politically incorrect, controversial and sticky, maybe some of those kids aren't "real." 

Again, this ties back into topics discussed in other threads here on NR in months past, but the idea that psychic people with the site have reported people in crowds with no auras, auras that flick off and on again....at the same time!....as well as sensing empty energy going on in people out there in the world. (I myself can't see auras, but I've sensed the lack of energy going on in a lot of people, just bland nothing, like they're just this shell with clothes and no individual personality, walking around in the world, filling up space and being the background character.)   So....what is that saying about the nature of the world out there and the people who supposedly populate it?  What if a lot of these mass killings involve people that aren't really all there anyway?  Hence, the reason why some kids would have had intervention/protection to see to it that they weren't in the wrong place at the wrong time...while others did not.   Again, for the others that didn't, maybe it was pre-incarnational karma, something they chose for themselves, or, maybe they're not really all there or "real" in the sense that we'd like to think.  For me, I have to keep both possibilities in mind at all times when hearing news stories like this.


Pinkrlyq wrote:

And especially with later hearing what Lyra has said earlier about the lack of action considering the earlier bomb threats!!

Hey, welcome back pinkrylq!  smile


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What seems crazy to me is not that they didn't lock down the campus after the first shooting, but the length of time of the second shooting!

From the timeline on msnbc, the shooting was first reported at 9:15 and was still going on at least until 9:50! That's an eternity!

To actually kill 32 people with small caliber semi-automatic pistols (9 mm and .22, I understand), which are not particularly accurate, this man must have been extremely well trained, and he must have fired 100's of rounds, I would think.  Maybe I watch too many movies, but it just seems like the police should have been able to drop him in that time.

Good point....

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