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This is something that's been on my mind a lot recently as well.   I don't feel much like posting here anymore, but topics like this are very interesting to me.  It's the juicy stuff that asks the important questions about the fundamentals of our reality.  Very important stuff.  ! 

I don't believe in victims either, and fully believe that once we hit a certain point in life, our lives truly are in our own hands, and whatever happens to us is a result of our beliefs, thoughts, attitudes, etc.

However....

What about when we're kids?  I've been trying to figure this one out.  Many spiritual/new age types believe that we completely write out our lives before incarnating here, deciding what "challenges" to heap on our plates, what parents we'll be born to, what we'll look like, what sort of physical issues we'll inherit...I mean, the way they portray it, we're just living out a character in a script that we wrote ahead of time.   But is that really how it works?   How much is up in the air, and how much is pre-determined?  How much is our own doing, and how much is out of our hands, due to the freewill of the other players involved in the game?

Then there's the matter of getting out of the game, like what you were writing.  This has been on my mind as well.  What happens if we woke up one day and just completely stopped believing in reality, and took 100% of our attention away from "the matrix" ?   Rhetorical question, nobody's really going to know the answer to it, but I do wonder.  This is of high interest to me and has been on my mind a lot.

Here's a brief summary of the personal insights I've received over the years, from various ways.  (Higher self, brief moment of remembering something on a soul level before it's gone again, etc.)

- These bodies are in essence "characters" we're playing;  One time I was briefly removed from myself while talking to Tom on the phone and almost laughed out loud as I had that brief glimmer of soul memory.  In my mind I thought, "You're not really 'Tom'! And I'm not really 'Carissa'!  hahahaha!   This is so funny, look at us sitting here talking to each other playing these characters!!  hahahaha!"  It was quite trippy.  Then the "brief surfacing" was over and it was back under the water again, with only the intellectual knowing that this revelation had occurred....

- There's help here from stuff that's on our side - our team, our peeps, whatever you want to call it/them.

               Extrapolating from this....there is something that has some sort of vested interest in what we're going here.  For whatever reason.   (Must get awfully frustrating watching us all live out our lives here, considering the mundane tasks that normally fill our days, all the times we ignore that higher voice trying to get through the line, all the mistakes we make and bezillion ways we f*ck up over the course of our lives.....They feel sorry for us, but I feel sorry for them having to watch us go through it.  Sounds about as exciting as watching water boil.   )

- There are various timelines going on, there isn't one set version of events, and everything we do determines what timeline we wind up on.

              Extrapolating from that.....are some of those timelines "ways out" ?  Some people might be able to just poof, instantly walk through a figuritive door and leave this reality, but maybe another way involves gradual transition out via timeline shifts? 

- I was once told by "something", don't know what or who it was, (call it the "invisible voice/thoughtform that was communicating to me in a dream....) "If you remembered who you are and where you came from you would have had NO tolerance for this life.  NONE."  When I tried to protest the idea of reincarnating, of coming back here, to this place, it explained that I've said that before, and yet, here I am.   Why?   "AMNESIA."  It blasted me with this idea telepathically.  Amnesia.  Asleep at the wheel, and so here we go again...and again and again and again..........
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There have been more insights, but that's the gist.   I have a lot of questions - all this talk about "who we are" and how we've "forgotten" - WHY CAN'T WE REMEMBER AND KNOW??? Why can't these higher beings that are supposedly on our side just tell us what's going on here?   Tell us who we are?  And more importantly....why we're here in the first place?

Because I do believe there's a big element of "game" going on here, which means we're characters, which means this isn't real, at least, not in the way we're taught.  Soooo...what do we have to do then to break through the amnesia?   

Is there some reason we're "supposed" to be playing the game? 

This is a bit of a random scramble post, because I'm at work, but it's my 2 cents of ideas on the matter, however disorganized....

Yet another synchronisitic thread.  Just yesterday I was pondering the "life is a game" concept... not just pondering it, but KNOWING it deep inside.  I've had the thought before, but I could never connect with it the way I did yesterday.  The way I envisioned it was to think of a computer gamer becoming so engrossed in the game that he forgets he's a gamer.  From what I understand, that actually happens sometimes, almost like a game within a game!  But a computer game is so limited compared to the real world... 3D graphics can only mimic, sounds can only come from speakers, and there is no smell, taste, or feel.  I think that in becoming so engrossed in this *game* we've probably cut off the same number (if not more) of senses.

Of course, the question is, who created the game?  Are we the game designers as well as the gamers?  Who decides when it's "game over"?   Of course, we experience temporary "game over" moments when we die, but we just come back again.  Unfortunately, we can't save our game at higher levels, so we start over again and again, with just a vague memory of how to proceed. 

The original thought that led me to this was thinking of quantum physics... how all of the reality we experience appears in a fractal pattern, with larger patterns repeating in smaller ones, with scale being the only difference.  But then you get to quantum reality, and those particles didn't seem to get the memo about how physics is supposed to work.  That begs the question, if all of physical reality is made from the building blocks of quantum particles, why isn't our reality a quantum one?  That's when I realized that computer games pick and choose which aspects of our reality to express depending on the desired game world-- and even then, many qualities are lost.  That's our reality-- only a portion of the quantum reality from which we're built, and by design.

Sorry if this doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I haven't processed all of it yet.

If it is just a game then nothing we do matters.  We should just have fun and do what we love doing, even if it hurts others?  To become an experienced player and reach the higher levels in most video games, you have to kill/hurt lots of others.   Also some video games have cracks/codes you can use to get certain tools to beat the game faster.  I wish I had those cracks/codes.  I want out!

Very good topic!

I have some thoughts on this. My own childhood experience was so completely full of low-probability situations that worked out that I can't really see how it could have been decided before I was born unless there was some extreme freewill tampering involved with virtually everyone I've known or will know. The only other way I could see it being done is if someone is using some extremely advanced time manipulation tech and that would have it's own set of freewill problems.

Regardless, I managed to get it together for the one event in my life that made it all make sense, and what you're saying is absolutely correct Lyra. If you knew who and what you are on the other side, there would be absolutely NO WAY that you'd ever consider coming back here. The kewl thing is that nobody even has to do anything to get there, everyone has already won. It's just a matter of time until everyone sees the same thing, and this reality is so screwed up that soon I believe that it will become inevitable.

-3G

Self-Remember? The Fourth Way? And maybe these "higher beings" are us, our true selves wanting to go home.

If it's a game, what is the payoff? Are we addicted to our own loosh? Are we the players, spectators, or both? Maybe a case of mistaken identity.

Great post, Lono. Playing hide and seek with our real selves. Many looking in the wrong places, like fish chasing lures. I'm not religious but I think Christ said to seek the kingdom within.