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Thanks for the posts zenden, love #173 and its metaphor to the athlete. 

An athlete focuses and concentrates himself on an IDEAL MODEL, and learns how to transform himself, gradually into this Ideal Model. His talent resides in his trying to SURPASS his own limited possibilities, always attempting to better himself in his skills, patiently devoting himself to his sport. Pleasurable habits take a second place for him, and this might look from the outside as if he is making a great sacrifice. But to the athlete, it is not so. Through his athletic skills and performance his ego transcends its human limitations and conditions, and during such moments his perfect model and his conscious self merge making them become a whole new Soul Expression. Thus, our athlete becomes the physical expression, and the manifestation on this plane of the DESTINY that his Soul had prepared for him. We could go as far as to say that " during his athletic performance" he totally incarnates the Ideal Model engraved in his Soul. What does this example teach us? It shows us, two important things: firstly, that through the faculty of our sixth sense we can open our sensitivity to the vibrations of the Soul and receive the necessary impulses to overcome our weaknesses, and transcend our limitations. Through this process, we discover to our amazement, a world of new possibilities. Secondly, what we learn from this example is the fact that in the process of discovering our Ideal Model we are on the verge of discovering our real QUEST and GOAL in our life, and, even perhaps the meaning of our incarnation.

Dynamo!

Blue and zenden, I've been having the same feelings about NR, that a sort of gathering is taking place.  Like we planned to meet over the *inner*net - which is just a metaphor to our own abilities within - and basically have fun while sharing and expressing ourselves through these spectacular and hallowed times we find ourselves in.

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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Natural Mystic wrote:

Blue and zenden, I've been having the same feelings about NR, that a sort of gathering is taking place.  Like we planned to meet over the *inner*net - which is just a metaphor to our own abilities within - and basically have fun while sharing and expressing ourselves through these spectacular and hallowed times we find ourselves in.

This is a clear feeling I have lately too. And this is a powerful meeting.

I also definitely agree "having fun" part.... Whoa! My left ear began ringing & clicking while writing this. Hey Tom, was that a bad thing or good thing?

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

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feritciva wrote:

Hey Tom, was that a bad thing or good thing?

Wait and see.  Open. Discover. Learning is fun. smile 

The meaning might vary from person to person. Maybe in pondering the idea of destiny and thinking about higher mission, you triggered some alarms from the Matrix monitors. Imagine a prison where prisoners do not realize they are in prison and therefore never escape because they never think of escaping nor do they ponder life outside the prison. Then the prison guards would be busy not with physically restraining the prisoners, but with monitoring their thoughts for impending signs of awakening and dissent.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Well said as always montalk.

smile

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As Frank Zappa said: "Who are the brain police?"

And as Fairport Convention said:

"Come all ye rollin' minstrels and together we will try
to rouse the Spirit of the Earth, and move the rollin' Sky"

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What do you think Suzie Creamcheese would have to say about it?  big_smile  ooops.  Digressing again?  Sorry.

DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER

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i think/believe that WIH signifies really, the notion of as above, so below, in THESE times.  right now, on earth we have ANOTHER religious war going on, which may be the biggie--maybe the 'biggest' one or most important one weve ever had.  and weve had quite a few, as we all know.  this one, maybe is the ONE that relates to the one, above, if u subscribe to that.  and BOTH seem, to me, to be a real progression, of the other.  as its so bad, and getting worse (altho it has never ever 'stopped' down here, from the crusades onward, and way before that--so damn many) but as the one down here is so sophisticated this time round, with its tricky players, covert behind the scenes tactics, relationships with the military-industrial complex, all the hypocrisy, half-truths, half lies, etc etc., seems to be, possibly, reflecting the goings on in theocratic realms.  same story and may be really, the symbolic influencing of one, and the other.  maybe way more than symbolic, way more.  i believe its actually connected directly.  and all is gonna meet on some inner-planetary battlefield of some type.  somehow, someway. its directly related, and all is interwoven in it.  the great gods of sumeria, persia, greece, and rome, live on.  and were fighting real war on that same ground in iraq, maybe soon iran, syria, etc.  lots of loosh is being sent UP, and lots is influencing from prob top-down.  somehow--purposefully.  the great WAR rages on.  this is amazing to see/feel/understand.  somehow, one is truly affecting the other.  were watching, living thru it.  somehow its connected to the evolution of how its going to be up there, and down here, at the current time, simultaneously, one is going to affect the other.  just feel it.  weaves in armageddon, notions of cleansing, and purification, man's shadow self evolving, even the possibility of a new 'trined' human with an influx of kristos/christ consciousness, shifts, changes as a species, galactic timelines, etc. etc.

“In the next great strife, the department of religions will be involved, and the Bodhisattva intimately concerned. It is the Christ and his Initiates and Masters, with the Master Jesus being closely involved, who will be involved with the current religious war, as defined and identified by humanity, media and world disciples. It is the religious department which naturally are involved with the handling of this world problem and which seeks to usher in the new world religion via and in spite of strife, turmoil, destruction and terror."  So as this occurs down here, its reflected up there, and the chances of trying to eradicate that kind of domination espoused in the WIH book, will be harder and harder to eradicate.  As we approach a possible new world order, we may get the new world religion with it, and things will not get any easier or better.  IMO, one signifies the other, and one ushers the other one in.  thats maybe what the invisible college meant to say what was gonna happen when talking of the possibilities of "new gods, and even newer more powerful elementals coming intro power... "  the war down here feeds the one up there, ands prepares their way. ??

"How can we best combat this radical stand against the new world order?  With Will and Vision.  As a band of brothers, we may rightly ask ourselves, with what do we have to fight and oppose such a tremendous force? Our foremost and greatest weapon is quite simply, the invoking of Will and Intent.  It is even more deadly to our enemy if used with focussed knowledge and understanding.  Consider as a worldwide group, that such an invocation as this can and should be used in times as these for the planned opposition to, and destruction of, all inflow and evil use of the will to power and fanatical idealism.  It is the calling forth, of a "great spiritually militant invocative demand" in times of human war and need, which is the "will-to-save." Now let us ponder upon the terms "spiritually militant" this definitely illustrates the combatant nature of that invocation against aggression and evil expression. The Christ brings a sword of discrimination and death to death. This should be kept in mind. The Christ is aware of the crisis that confronts humanity at this time.  The Christ energy is a a saving force. This energy, the saving force, definitely is able to motivate human forms, men, into physical plane action to stand "against" the aggressive and spiritually destroying forces of totalitarianism and can indeed destroy the evil forms of men and gods standing against humanity, right relations and the spiritual hierarchy. The will to complete and fight to the end must ever be present and indeed the will to good be present to begin with, or no responsive action may be taken. All evil, mental, astral and etheric/physical are the forms to be swept away. We as a group  who are at odds against oppression of the spirit, know well that protection and guidance is the shield of hierarchy we rightly claim as workers, toilers and warriors of the Christ. It is this subjective inspiration, warrior spirit and protection we all as a group can pass on to those around us and to humanity as a whole if we truly love enough and so recognise impending danger that threatens the very root of all nations, all men."  there is danger here, and above, for all men, of all nations, if one believes WIH.

"The total destruction of modern civilization and annihilation of mankind through a catastrophic religious war can be averted if the inertia so prevalent among spiritual people is overcome and provided the New Group of World Servers and the men and women of goodwill perform their appointed Hierarchical tasks and duties."  The whole idea of STO is in here.  "World Servers" are talked about in a link i posted on the psi thread today=synch.

"Our planet is passing through what is esoterically called "an interlude of reversal". Humanity as a whole has come to the point when it has become the world aspirant and upon the wheel of life, is of re-orienting and going counter to the usual clockwise or backwards mode of procedure around the wheel.  Humanity, subjectively speaking, as a kingdom in nature, affecting all other kingdoms, is endeavoring to reverse its consciousness and position upon the wheel, and to travel anti-clockwise into the sign Aquarius via Saturn, Mercury and Venus. For this to occur, the tests of Saturn, the Lord of karma, the 4th decan of Aquarius, must first be met and mastered. The tests of Saturn are presently underway and if we fail, we will not enter into the New Age.  this i think is what is meant by the reconciling of everything, as all evolves, and moves up.  all morphs into higher being states. 

"Standing With Massed Intent in the Fire of Love: Humanity is entering a period of unparalleled synthesis accompanying the dissolution of the old world order. We are in a period of in-gathering (the greatest of three in-gatherings during the past 2500 years), and we students of the Ageless Wisdom and Spiritual Occultism can and, really, must be part of this process. The magnetism within us must be released into the world in a manner as vibrant as possible.  Those who recognize the nature of Aquarian values, and who wish to see the wonder of the New Age unfold, simply must be both strong and loving at this time.  Master Jesus has a tremendous task on His hands. Judaism, Islam, Christianity—in their present forms--have, one and all, outlived their usefulness to humanity. A universal New World Religion may be on its way, instead, destined to supersede the older  inadequate religious presentations of the present era."   not good, not good at all, will have new gods possibly, new elemental forces too, and maybe older obsolete gods will come back into the playing arena, and make everything even worse, up there, and down here.  with the possible resurrection of even more insane fanatical gods, elementals.  and even more horrible--the gateways open from up there, and the ruling is done in tandem with the veil thinned as its going to.  one giant theocratic morass of seething horror and domination.  merges on a one new world order plane of existence.  could that be the plan?  horror of horrors.

theories, pieces of, weave in and out in here.  could it be that the victors or the biggest killers, from these religious wars down here, as they r going on now, or the ones who see themselves as the victors, anyway, are set up to be the newest most vile theocrats up there.  the 'new' gods, the newest theocratic aspirants, who will go on to rule there, after initiating their dirty work down here, in the current regimes.  is it a total set up, from one end flowing into the other?  thats why i think, they call it the new religion, from the new world order.  it will re-order up there too, and 'new' theocratic designs up there, new ways of ruling up there or even more dominating ones will be put into place there.  as a direct result from the playing out from here.  the real baddies  dont get "put to sleep"anymore like its been said "they do" to ppl like hitler, attila the hun, etc.  make them sleep off their energy, for conversion.  sometimes, its been said, "they" make them for sleep for centuries, eons of time, before they can be 'awakened' and put back into a serviceable mode.  i dont think theyre sleeping, i think theyre ruling up there, in certain realms, planes, with their underling minions, who still believe the same old same old, and r aligned with that.

"We who support the values of freedom, individuality, self-determination, universal progress and the eminence of reason must stand firm.  With fiery and loving “massed intent” we must face down “the roaring tide of the world’s ignorance”—holding to light, love and spiritual will even as the “Forces of Opposition” attempt to engulf them by a black wave which promises more slavery of the human Spirit.  This is the time for all our spiritual resources to be drawn forth—meditatively, intellectually, compassionately—so that we can “make our mark” within this really terrifying world situation and during what is shaping up to become the hour of humanity’s greatest need.  The soul of humanity is once again under attack. The enemies are everywhere and even within our own hearts. First the “enemy within” must be neutralized. He who has conquered himself is as one who has conquered a thousand armies—this, the Buddha said. And, simultaneously, we must stand in such as way as to prevent the reversion of human consciousness to earlier stages of now unacceptable ignorance. No one religious interpretation can dominate the world, and it is always the atavistic interpretations of religion, which are intent on world domination.  It will be a long time before the majority of humanity is ready for spiritual occultism and its detailed teaching, but the deep principles which underlie the esoteric world view—universal brotherhood, recognition of the soul in all, the promise of endless progress for humanity and for all forms of life, the radiance of God Imminent—for such principles, millions are ready."

everything in that affects everything else. so if we get on it down here with the following then, we may be able to change it up there.  i read we can do this by doing THESE down here, for the time being....

Be well-informed concerning the problem; the advice here is to “know what the enemy is thinking”.  The enemy is not the souls of misguided individuals, with which our souls are one, but their temporarily distorted personality expressions which are under the spell of a certain form of madness—yes, a form of religious insanity. We must understand what they think, and see what they do, so that such thought and action can be countered both objectively and subjectively.  we will need psi skills to help us.

Permit no rift to separate us as workers within the field of the ageless wisdom: we may choose to disagree on some tenants, but the will and intent, and vision remain.  The achievement of an enlightened, mutually respectful unity strengthens us and our impact upon the consciousness of humanity.

Reach and educate as many human beings as possible.  People still laboring under the spell of ignorance can be taught to think spiritually, which means both logically and intuitively, and with love in their hearts. More importantly, by witnessing the lives we lead become an embodiment of the teaching we profess.

Meditate as if our lives (and the live of all humanity) depended upon it.

Live to the fullest measure: it is evident that talk is one thing and embodiment another.  As students of the esoteric, we are possessed of vast qualities of unapplied, unlived theory. We well know that it is impossible to change the world unless we change ourselves. We can rail against evident abuses while overlooking the abuses for which we are consciously and unconsciously responsible. Unless our radiation and magnetism change for the better, we will succeed in changing nothing. The well-known adage applies: “Be the change you would see happen."

And now, one of the most important points: discover the real meaning of Love and utilize its power to negate the aggressive initiative of the dark side.  We cannot be fighting fire with the wrong fire. We must not become that which we deplore. This is hard to avoid for the provocation is great and the need to eliminate the source of provocation utterly necessary if humanity is to survive.  The battle will not be won by opposing violence with violence though, whether mental, emotional or physical. “Hatred ceaseth not by hatred.”  we have to be more than that.  be bigger than that.  those are old traps.  old set-ups.

The opponents of the Forces of Light can be defeated by the Power of Christ Consciousness, the fierceness of  Solar Expression of the Power of Love (fierce in heart and solar radiance) which is one of the most difficult states for human beings to achieve, but other great souls have demonstrated that we can achieve it. “What man has done, man can do.”  The soul of our apparent enemy and our soul are one. This we have been taught and this we must demonstrate, so we must understand GREATER, and be more than the enemy."  since they operate out of fear, fear of annihilation, with no intent for sacrifice, for the good of the whole, being entirely STS, it is possible "through the fierce power of Solar Love to—destroy the ignorance, religious egoism, the violence, fanaticism, the glamor and illusion, and the fear of, the enemy." Within this Power of Solar Love, (the KT called the baptism by fire), we can stand, and on this basis, demand, with will, intent, and vision, the destruction of all that opposes the Divine Plan for humanity and planet Earth by IMAGINING it so.  "In this way, the enemy—not through use of the actual metal sword, is converted by solar radiation and magnetism, thru the Power of the Heart of the Sun--evoked by heart and mind."  So, one is actually fighting 'fire with fire.'  and interesting how this fits in with all the solar changes, and bursts, and all those changes with solar flaming and the idea of purification, etc.                   

"The Power of the Heart of the Sun is a ferocious Force.  Nothing can withstand this Solar Force. Through the Power of the Heart of the Sun, we shall gain the courage and valor to resist, deflect and destroy every kind of evil now menacing humanity—all this through the power of sacrifice which the Heart of the Sun inspires in every human heart.  Wherever we find the greatest fear we find the greatest danger. Manipulators fear for their material survival and do all they can through intelligent greed, to allay that fear. But there is a greater fear—the fear of annihilation (or damnation) in perpetuity. Religious formulations address that fear with promises of an eternal “Heaven” or “Paradise”, etc.  Many follow the dictates of their religion thinking they will survive forever; because the fear of eternal annihilation (or, worse—eternal damnation in “Hell”) is far greater than the fears surrounding material survival, these fear-ridden people turn fanatical, and will stop at nothing to allay the fear that they may cease to be or, worse, may suffer forever. In the great religious war now shaping up, we see the existential fear of annihilation and/or damnation running rampant."  this is exactly what the gods fear--to cease to exist and this is the very thing that the unaware fear, that there is no life after death, or that theyre going to heaven or hell.  this very fear of losing ONE life or self from that life--the ONLY ONE they know, when there is yes, one as it LOOKs like, but we know is a PRODUCT OF MANY....trying to cling to a self thats going extinct, or that will be dissolved back into that giant pool of energy that exists in the cosmos.  however that works specifically is still a mystery, yet we have tidbits of that down pretty well overall.  right there its clear tho--that they gave us their mind, we think (well, WE dont but the populace does) just like that.  there is that injection--their fear, injected in us.  the mind of the predator is right there, from that angle.  clear as day.  they fear annihilation, and so do many men  who are unaware.  therein is their mind--injected into humans.  and again, no one can 'save' u but u, but theyd have one think that JC died for you.  which i think instills lots of fear, and advocates the idea of dying for the state.  the human somehow knows better, deep down, but many times, just succumbs, out of fear, and fatigue.  life weariness, even boredom.  if so many succumb so easily here while still living, look how easy it would be on death.  to be grabbed up just like those great fishing hooks Tom Paine talked about.  that blew my mind.  omg.

all the religious wars and any kind actually, feed directly into the loosh harvest for the crats/gods.  who have that  same fear--of annihilation, of not existing anymore real bad.  in that, they r limited, and show much unawareness.  thats a key.  if they cant and wont be 'fed'--the game of as above--so below, ceases. all the evil has to be fed/wants to be fed.  so if it ceases to be fed properly, theres a chance for change.  as we evolve then theyre bound to go extinct, as this whole sector changes, so must they, as theyre directly involved.  this is the game--we gotta play it down here, "to win" in order to change/transmute/transform what goes on directly "above" us.  changes in the status quo then, have to start, be played, end, down here. 

is that what bluestarspeaks is saying when he/it/the writers say their next "issue" in June will speak of "The Stand?"  is this the stand?  to imagine what could be and will it so by the use of intention, imagination, and novelty?  i think the next part fits. 

"Tactica Adversa -- Precisely, when the Light Forces wish to fulfill some plan on Earth, They make allowances for all possibilities, envisioning even the worst conditions. When all has been taken into account, there can be no failure. The plan is then fulfilled regardless of any circumstance. The evil ones and the dark ones, while thinking that they construct a prison, actually build a temple. Verily the Jinn build temples. Thus, we can say - praise to the enemies.  Adverse conditions to the spiritual progression of the planet at intervals produce such a point of stagnation, such a centre of darkness and disease that the Light Forces, such as they are, are quite prepared for the most dire conditions of destruction and human upheaval that it is quite apparent that they, the Light Forces, are more than prepared to lose everything, and at all costs, halt or stand before the Dark Forces.

The Dark Forces know full well that they will lose much of a material nature, for all they live for is the acquisition of material gain and power on the earthly plane. The Dark Forces are truly fearful of losing their grip of power and lust for brutal aggression. When such tactics are applied, the enemies often contribute to the success.  They are usually hung by their own rope or shot by their own bullet or lost in their own hiding place. Thus their usurpation is their downfall."  the mess is so hideous now, thats its getting to look like showdown at the OK corral.  and im falling for it, as it looks like some fun thing to do, really.  a good place to use a bunch of psi, and play out the personal sci-fi imaginary fantasy i have in mind.   take a stand and play it thru.  it is very likely that even thinking the whole thing is a game will help to arrive at that difficult waypoint mindset that is suggested...that we be neutral and detached and be really adept at the 'game-playing' by being well practiced, and well prepared to play "clinically"-- and theres more to that than meets the eye i think.

its hard to believe/imagine then that thoughts, will, intent, and use of fierce 'solar fire energies' can do anything, but what else do we have?  and a few psi skills, here and there.  think about it.  what else do we have?  i wanted to say--all this is merely is a melding of ewhat ive been reading lately and patching together.  WIh shifted me into a different way more worrisome but way RESONATING gear a few months ago.  it was like a special trigger  let loose.   got me way off the illuminati and the reps, pretty much.  its like it was a strep "up" or further into the discovery of who i am and why i came here.  it sent me towards an archetypal remedy for what i began to remember.  its like medicine for me.  to think and act in ways of reaching a goal.  to perfect the self, as it sees itself.  the use of archetypal models for self-discovery, and purpose. (i had a good one evidencing/supporting that but cant find it of course). 

one last thing--i think we are mini-gods, in perpetual growth patterns, constantly developing.  will it take gods to fight or transform or convert gods?  maybe.  or is it the antithesis of that?  as in the "meek" ? inheriting the "new earth?"  WIH gave me greater purpose, and so many other things seemed to fall into place after reading that.  thats my ultimate concern now, as to what to do about that, next.  the illuminati dont bother me much anymore, now that i know about crats.  and dont anybody write back and tell me there is no war, that we already won, and all that.  as i keep myself very busy studying, and researching, and thinking and feeling from heart on this very important matter.  its a WAY of self-work, a path for me, for re-introducing skills, and talents and greater purpose for living here in the now, for having to endure the disgust of the present state of things mixed in with the wonders of life in this sector of the universe.  and i need it to keep me striving for more info as to why IN THE HELL  icame here this time, this one last time.  after all, what else is there?  spiritually?  if this is the way (and i believe it is) for getting to know self better, and where its been, come from, and where it wants to go and do next.  this next time i wanna do much more on a bigger scale with way higher stakes, and/or to REALLY serve man more.  then so be it.  this is the ouroboros for me.  the archetypal self, develops overtime, from beliefs that look like fairy tales or sci-fi stories.  skills and belief systems are further developed over time, and cultivated.  history takes place in it all, and there are alignments with forces thru linear time.  death and life, and rebirth occurs, over centuries.  the earth and the self are refined, develop, evolve, as the fairy tale itself does.  somehow a story with and end a middle and a beginning gets told to the self, by the self.  and because ur IN it, due to the notion that u wrote it, u really do believe it.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Wow.
Once again we have been blessed with a TORRENT of revelations from
that Warrior Woman Zenden.

Yes, let no one write and say that the war has already been won.

The FEROCIOUS FORCE of the Heart of the Sun is available to all of us.

It SHREIKS with the power to right wrongs and it is RIGHTEOUS.

The darkness cannot prevail under the onslaught of its divine INTENT.

Indeed, why did we come back once again?  So we could fall into the
same traps again?  I don't think so.

The purpose of WIH was to INNOCULATE as many people as possible
to begin to turn the tide against the lies and deceptions that have been
worked against us since...who knows how long?  The Invisible College
may have withheld knowledge of the higher planes/densities in order
to recruit warriors onto their side to diminish the theocrats' power
and tip the scales away from the necessity to join the bad guys or
reincarnate.  He did say that awareness of the lies and deceptions
was a pretty good defense against the theocratic bands.

But we may be just getting ready for the big End Game.  I don't plan
to support any World Religion or some kind of Hive Mind zombification
with controllers at the top.  People need to not rely on some outside
god to do their thinking for them.  If they must worship something,
then let them worship the perfectability of mankind.  I know that's a
tall order for many, but it's the only way to avoid being tricked and
trapped by clever aliens/pseudo gods.

Oh, and another thing.  The theocrats are exactly like DRUG ADDICTS.
They must INSURE THEIR SUPPLY (of loosh, or souls) and they will
SELL THEIR SOULS in order to keep their FIXES coming.  Once they
have done that, they have nothing else to lose.  It's the same with
the STS's here on earth who have sold their humanity for TEMPORARY
ADVANTAGE and the promise of PROTECTION when the shit comes down.
Boy will they be surprised.

189 (edited by zenden 2007-04-09 10:39:03)

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i have some biggies coming after having a dream last nite, which i CANT remember, and after watching TV today which made me puke, and a few other things that all MESH in, along with some ideas i got when considering the question of "who WORKS for these people/entities" ??? which IVE ALWAYS wondered about--u know, the ppl/employees/pawns/attached confused earthlings, OP's, pods, offworlders, etc., that do the dirty work for TPTB...like who are they???  the ppl that doctor the spin, listen in, trip up the righteous/innocent, make rotten laws, screw regular souls, represent the govt, all THAT & THOSE.  ever wondered who they are?  i often have.  i call them the ppl of the lie--the ones who tell ON YOU.  u know them.  like how COULD they?  how could they betray the masses?  like the ppl who stopped the ice from being delivered in katrina, ppl that say the hurricane survivors cant have/use the trailers that arent being used from katrina.  ppl that tell u that u need the "correct" paperwork, or u cant do this, or that--its against the rules.  the ppl that blatantly work for or support the monster PTB.  i figure theyre already working for the crats.  theyre asleep, they believe rather than THINK.  they protect TPTB, advertently and inadvertently, but mostly advertently.  like the ppl that listen for the NSA.  the ppl that design the systems that hurt, that maim, that LIE, that trap, that conceal. who does that and likes it?  my god.  the crats have them working down here for them already.  these ppl LIKE THEOCRACY.  they believe what they "think" they know, and each one is a "little crat."  then i thot--well, u've done these things urself.  u and ur cronies have plotted against, strategized against, thot up tales to confuse, told stories to placate or to get TPTB off ur back, so u and urs could "win"--so u too zenden, u and the ppl close to u have always done deeds so u could come out on top or more like it--BE SAFE or TO HAVE SURVIVED.  see, THAT is what its about--to have SURVIVED as one of our beloved NR members was trying to tell samIam in the thread wherein hes saying hes leaving.  SURVIVAL.  thats the difference.  were not wanting to DOMINATE but merely to survive.  see that?  so i myself can be labeled a mini-crat.  i am well aware.  i have conversations with myself on that, alot.  i want it my way too--as we all do, many times.  but its NOT SO THAT I CAN DOMINATE--its so we/i can LIVE, make it another day, not go to jail, or prison, not be arrested, not be stripped of all titles/licenses, not be ENSLAVED FURTHER.  thats what the distinction is.  thats the KEY.  we all want what we want, we all believe-think-do our own personal and even, collective AGENDAS.  theyre there, theyre HERE so we can work on the soul, the spiritual end, the unfinished business, the quest for self, self perfection, u know--ALL THAT.  live, eat, poop, party, drive, shop, etc etc another day in 3D.  we want what we want and there are many reasons for that, pretty much all can be summed up as the the immediate and long term needs, desires, etc., we all have when trying to live a human earth life in 'relative' peace. on this planet.  not much wrong with that.  really, just how it is. there are limits, boundaries, of course.  but the/our goal, our intent our DESIRE OVERALL, is NOT to "own" the other, or to stop all personal, individual or group PROGRESS or evolution.  as compared to the desire of the crats, TPTB who like a set status quo, all thru history, and the ppl who "work for and support" them, even out of IGNORANCE.  or as TP says up there, out of temporary advantage.  THEY WANT TO DOMINATE and they support THAT DOMINATION, and therein lies the great difference. little crats and big crats love domination.

everybody sooner or later, that awakens or is in the process of, questions, wonders, dreams, thinks, ponders, asks and answers riddles, studies, researches; comes to this, or will come to it--KNOWS this, comes to this conclusion, at LEAST this ONE.  one begins to see--all the wars, all the strife, all the tricks, all the lies, all the murders, all the starvation, all the maiming, the beheading, all the inquisitions, rapes, ETC ETC are DESIGNED to dominate.  thats why all is secret but right out front.  this is why elves hide, dragons fade in and out, "good" ET's cloak, dont land, and more on that...helpers and the INVISIBLE college are--well, INVISIBLE.  so they can SURVIVE.  this is the reason why so many things are the way they are--by TPTB, so that DOMINATION will rule, will BE--IS the order of the day.  its all about domination, and we keep coming back to this. cant get away from IT.  this is the grand problem, the 'grand' cycle that must be eradicated.  almost all our threads, and getting to the bottom of much of everything s BACK AND FORTH to and from that concept.  the concept of domination.  its all about the desire to be free from it.  the terms government vs counsel/council which was brought up very adeptly, in another thread lately (forgive me for not linking and giving direct credit here in this post, as i will lose it going back and forth here, for sure) can be used to further elaborate.  the definition of the terms is self-explanatory.

its all ABOUT the difference.  the will to dominate and to ENFORCE it, naturally, naturally im telling u, halts progress, stops evolution, yet humans, human nature, mother nature, the lifeforce of the cosmos, our own and earth's own integrity, magical WILL to survive, keeps us going, plodding and often jumping along, ALL DESPITE.  and im only gonna say this next thing cuz im female THIS time here, that every woman on here and in the world KNOWS, that trying to dominate, be a CRAT in ur own household, leads to pain.  particularly trying to crat UR MAN, men; the loved ones that u live with--sets u up for mighty failure.  it does not work.  it can be done, but the consequences of it will backfire.  it will lead a woman down a winding torturous path.  it will lead u into a labyrinth, and u will twist and turn, and cry and agonize, and pine, and mourn, and u will go NUTS.  its not efficient, for progress.  it will not give way to love, nor affection, nor to the greater good nor to the advancement of the woman and man as a couple=partnership.  its antithetical to that. i learned this thru the years.  and the relationship lived to breathe another day, got way way better, and i changed for the better.  and so did he.  i GREW from finding that out, and everything got way better.  some beautiful progress was made.  (men do this too, and im only using this here, in terms of relationship for purposes of illustration). its the by product or the causation of all war and all religion, which goes hand in hand, and is FOOD FOR THE MOON. (TP also got me going on it bad, from his last post in blood, which fits in the WIH thread).  IT ALL FITS together, all the time, and been trying to SHOW that.  how all is connected and whats going on.  all the trouble has been chaotic, chaos, theres order in chaos though--so read on.

thats one BIG conclusion (yes, there ARE some) i came to recently.  trying to "diagnose" which is what im good at and do automatically--diagnose.  thats what i think real healers do well, diagnose and then try to find the "medicine" for the "condition."  been doing that for centuries, and getting closer now.  to an end to having to look at "sickness' all the time.  theres alot of darkness with sickness.  u have to get right in there, get CLINICAL, which requires a trained discerning DETACHMENT from a background of or platform of KNOWING and PRACTICE, and get working on it.  thats why i loved it when Lipstickmystic started coining that term, that ive used alot in many threads from PSI to blood, to fighting the crats with it.  gotta get clinical. its clean, neutral, a forcefield in and of itself.

anyway, when u become aware and u keep progressing, this pops up, and thats the problem we face and have faced.  the powers that choose, that desire, that INSTILL THE FORCE OF DOMINATION upon the earth and its ppl must be eradicated.  thats what the crats want, domination.  they make chaos.  thats what sleepers/pods do--support all of it.  lack of awareness is the real problem behind it all. that makes IT  keep on living and dominating as the monster it is.  as a consequence of turmoil and poverty, and ignorance, racial strife occurs (yeah, that reply to Blue after reading about his dilemma and all that stuff on race implies...) got me stirred up alot.  i get it.  thats why the problems with ALL that and the culture and religious wars, so that everybody spins, but all are dominated.  thats what i ABHOR.  the domination of anything because it STALKS, it STIFLES, squelches, leads to unrest, non-peace, frustration, indiscriminate and endless CRIME.  its the great undergarment of the world.  and when one awakens they see, that dominating others HURTS.  it actually hurts the dominator.  it then, in turn, blocks the progress of the DOMINATORS.  see how that works?  its time is NIGH and "IT" know it.  i have more but will stop here.  and show u guys this--and i never knew what the term meant but had seen it on rumormillnews as somebody's moniker.  i was reading the "white history of the world" today by ostara press (and u HAVE to see that!)  and i found this.  and i thot well goddam, that fits in WIH...= RAGNAROK

from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k
all "good" yeah-right, things must COME TO AN END. thats just evolution...how that works.  that its actually THE FATE of the gods--thank "god"....In the Norse religion, or as they now say, Norse mythology, Ragnarök "fate of the gods" is the battle at the end of the world. It will be waged between the Æsir, led by Odin, and the forces of chaos (Loki and his monstrous children, as well as, among others, the Jötnar). Not only will the gods, giants, and monsters perish in this apocalyptic conflagration, but almost everything in the universe will be torn asunder."

"What seems eschatologically unique about Ragnarök is that the gods know through prophecy what is going to happen: when the event will occur, who will be slain by whom, and so forth. They even realize that they are powerless to prevent Ragnarök. But they still bravely and defiantly face their bleak destiny. This is thought by many scholars to represent the ordered world (the Æsir) eventually succumbing to the unavoidable forces of chaos and entropy (the giants). This is similar to the representation of the monstrous children of Uranus in Greek mythology and the monstrous creations of Tiamat in the Enuma Elish as the primordial forces of chaos."

so chaos, an innate force of the universe, does its thing.  it was inevitable, i/we can guess.  thats why we feel what we feel.   and why shit is percolating, vibrating faster and faster, as we are indivdually.  yes--were sped up were happy about it.  we wnat change--anything--so that the rule of domination will stop.  so anybody thats having guilt on feeling like a crat or being a mini-god--worry NOT.  u dont wanna dominate?  do u?  no, not likely nor probably, u just want ur powers back.  thats all.  nothing wrong with that.  now what anybody will DO with them, later, thats UP TO the AWARE or unaware individual.  thats how it works i think. progress, evolution, as its designed in LIGHT, for greater work/benevolence supports the non-domination of others.  which is STO.  the opposite is STS.  so one could/can/very well does "progress/advance" into the DARK or of the dark.  and thats the whole ball of wax right there. whew.  as we see, chaos, a by-product of life force, can and is and may very well be= the saving grace.  who woulda thot?

PS--do u guys realize that we have never said who's ruling up there?  from which or what already or has been already established religion?  weve never discussed that.  is it jewish, christian? islamic/muslim?  hindu? pagan?  oh hell--more on that later.  it's all of ém and more, as in the definition of theocracy.  yikes.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

Re: War In Heaven

Hi folx,

I've been reading this thread and some of the others that mention my work for several months, and Tom Paine recently joined my "Reality Checkpoint" Forum and has suggested that he'd like to see me posting here on  "Noble Realms".  Now, I have no idea if anyone here has questions about my work that I can answer adequately in a message here, but I'm willing to give it try...

How about it, does anyone want to get into a discussion with me here?

Kyle Griffith, 4/7/07

Re: War In Heaven

spiritrebel wrote:

Hi folx,

I've been reading this thread and some of the others that mention my work for several months, and Tom Paine recently joined my "Reality Checkpoint" Forum and has suggested that he'd like to see me posting here on  "Noble Realms".  Now, I have no idea if anyone here has questions about my work that I can answer adequately in a message here, but I'm willing to give it try...

How about it, does anyone want to get into a discussion with me here?

Kyle Griffith, 4/7/07

Hi Kyle,

I looked through your forum and read War in Heaven. Interesting folks there and very consistent, but if you saw my 11/06 post here you know I think the Invisible College is a bunch of liars. A couple of questions. First, is there some way you can fact-check what's been given to you? Will they answer questions with the understanding that you are testing them? Second, why the politics? Both parties in the US are corrupt and power-mad; why pick on one side?

We're all butterflies flapping our wings and changing the world.

Re: War In Heaven

Well!  There was an opening shot across the bow !

NR people are well behaved but they can sure ask some tough questions.

Glad to see you here, Kyle!

TP

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Starling, #191, re:  "I looked through your forum and read War in Heaven. Interesting folks there and very consistent, but if you saw my 11/06 post here you know I think the Invisible College is a bunch of liars.   A couple of questions. First, is there some way you can fact-check what's been given to you? Will they answer questions with the understanding that you are testing them?  Second, why the politics? Both parties in the US are corrupt and power-mad; why pick on one side?"

Well, before I answer, let me repeat the text of your previous message, so other NR readers won't have to go hunting for it:

"The article on www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Criminality.htm mentions the Invisible College. Of course, the "spiritual" college is good guys opposing the Theocrats, but somehow their encouragement of "social deviancy" in the 60's mentioned in War in Heaven sounds just like what the Scientific Dictatorship would want.

"BTW, the description of "astral matter" in War in Heaven appears to be garbage; us stupid 3rd density creatures are finding some interesting clues in quantum mechanics as to how spirit and matter may be related (check Braden's Lost Mode of Prayer and Issiah Effect books and Strieber's meditation series).

"IMO a bunch of liars."

Anyway, you apparently didn't read WiH very thoroughly, or you'd realize that I did "fact checking" constantly on the material as I channeled it, and that I constantly "tested" my Guides by asking them for further clarification of anything I had trouble understanding or tended to disargree with.  That's why the channeling process started in 1983 and wasn't completed until 1987.

But I have no particular desire to debate with you here on this board if you intend to directly challenge either the "astral matter" cosmology or the radical political and social policies endorsed by the Invisible College.  I will try to provide  constructive answers to questions from people who are trying to understand these concepts, but I won't defend them against hostile attack.

In other words, you can call my Spirit Guides liars, and I can call you a closed-minded reactionary, and we can both go back to talking to people we have more in common with...

Best,
Kyle

194 (edited by spiritrebel 2007-04-07 21:07:39)

Re: War In Heaven

Tom Paine, #192, re:  "Well!  There was an opening shot across the bow !  NR people are well behaved but they can sure ask some tough questions."

No big deal.  I've been debating these general subjects in the underground press since the late Fifties, so I've already fielded every "tough question" you can imagine and a whole bunch I couldn't imagine myself until I got asked them.  However, I'm only a few weeks short of 65 years old and in rather poor physical health, and I just don't have the time or energy for heavy, defensive arguments at this stage of my life.

It's also important to remember that the basic goal of all my writing is consciousness-raising, not advocacy.  I'm not asking anyone to believe anything or accept anything, only to listen to some alternative concepts concerning "the nature of spiritual reality" and use them to re-evaluate their own present working hypotheses in this area.

So anyone who keeps this in mind when making comments on my work or asking me questions will get the best replies I can think of.  However, anyone who tries to convert me to alternative views or to disprove the ideas and opinions in WiH and my other writings won't get much cooperation from me.  As I said, I just don't have the inclination to do that kind of thing any more.

Best,
Kyle

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SpiritRebel

Kyle

Pleasant Surprise !!!



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