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Topic: The energy body and grounding

I’ve been struggling for a while now with the seeming complexities of the energy body and the “proper” and most efficient techniques for conscious balancing and use of it in meditation and daily life.

Ever since consciously starting the quest for spiritual truth I have come across various ways of explaining the structure and the manipulation of the energy body.  I’m also aware of the associated concept of grounding, but lacking a proper (or even basic) knowledge of electricity I find it hard to fully comprehend the metaphysical equivalent of the concept.  From the sources I have read there is some cohesion of thought but combined with the subtle differences it is hard to fully discern the actual reality of the energy body.

Somewhere along the way I became under the impression that there is a current that runs from the right foot up the right side of the body and around the head then down the left side and out the left foot.  From what I remember of Astral Dynamics, Robert Bruce believes that it comes up through both feet and around the back and head, then down the front and back out the feet.  Both ideas are in disagreement and when other disciplines and systems are factored in I find myself asking some questions.

The reasoning behind the first method is the belief by some that the body is energetically polarized, the right side being positive and the left negative. In the right side to left side method the right/positive is the channel for instreaming energy whereas the outstreaming flows down the left/negative side.  Some like Robert Bruce don’t factor in a polarity to the mirrored hemispheres of the body.

Perhaps the two different energy pathway examples above are actually both valid but used for different purposes.  The up the right and down the left method could be for grounding while the up both legs technique is more for the purpose of activating or strengthening the energy body.  From my understanding the Earth or mother principle is used as grounding in the physical and this circuit between the body and the solid portion of this realm is beneficial to the process of keeping energies in check and flowing properly.

Are there two or more versions of the energy body?  I’m thinking that in the most basic form there is an electrical body that flows through the nervous system which doesn’t need any conscious manipulation through intent and/or visualization. There is also an etheric energy body that interpenetrates the physical and is supposed to be the matrix of the chakra system.  Is the etheric body separate from the so-called energy body?  Are the energy and the “light” body the same thing or different aspects of the etheric?  Then there is the astral body which I’ve seen in reference to the emotional body or plane.  From what I can tell the astral is a “lighter” projection of the etheric which is meshed with the physical.

There is also a method whereby energy is called upon, not in an up and down sense, but as “from within to without”, a simultaneous enlivening of all the constituent material (and metaphysical) parts of being.

I suppose one of my main underlying points of confusion lies between determining the reality of the energy body structure(s) and the various methods of visualization that exist as unique spiritual “technology” for intentful direction of the different creational energies. There has to be a true form and operation of this personal extra-physical energy inherent in all of us, a natural pattern and flow that only differs with the individual’s  unique energy signature and constitution.  But at the same time when considering that individual difference factor I think that there must also be room for individual methods that are uniquely suitable to the particular being. 

Finally, to add one more ingredient to the mix, there is the etheric chakra system, with energy said to flow up from the root (lowest) chakra and up the spine, with a dropoff in upward energy due to imbalances at the various points.

At this point in my meditation I’ve tried to combine different methods.  I imagine my right foot taking energy up through (as described above) the right side to the head and then down the left side/foot.  I visualize it as a constant circuit.  I then imagine a light pillar of sorts rising up the chakras and stopping wherever it dissipates due to natural blockages along the way.  This is my method now, but if I could figure out a more “proper” way of going about this process I think my meditations and general well-being would be greatly improved. 

With so many varying ideas on what should be a simple to understand and apply concept, it is almost impossible without fully developed inner sight to determine the “true” makeup of our energy body(ies) and how to consciously rebalance and use it/them for “right” spiritual endeavor.

Any kind of feedback is more than welcome and appreciated!

2 Reply by Sowelu (edited by Sowelu 2007-03-15 04:15:09)

  • Registered: 2005-06-26

Re: The energy body and grounding

I've experienced the inflow and outflow of energy at its rather essential level most of my conscious life, and it doesn't adhere to any of the descriptions you brought in above. tongue Wouldn't you know! So I don't know if what I've experienced and determined for myself would be of any use to you, but I thought I'd give it a shot...

Because of the nature of the realm we inhabit, with so much "unknown" or living at an unconscious level for most consciousnesses, life force moves in a particular manner here. Whether coming "down" from higher frequencies or up from the denser/grounding frequencies of the earth, energy gets routed through the meandering matrix of the consciousness of the individual. The meanders of each personal matrix, as I sense it, are the chakra blockages, denials/prejudices, fears and whatnot that live in the consciousness of the individual.

Aside from this natural "bent" of the flow once within an individual's consciousness field, there is a more generalized flow of energy that nature seems to follow, and humans - being a part of that nature - conform to as well. But this is where it gets tricky, imo...

Because humanity has utilized the mind almost exclusively to understand so much about spirit and nature, it tends to perceive things in a rather upside-down fashion. That makes things tough enough, but... because of the nature of the realm we inhabit - that it is a mirror reflecting "what is, subjectively" - the mind seems to receive confirmational feedback from the environment around it for its perceptions, and even from "higher beings" channeling to it! So knowledge at this level is most often distorted. Sometimes to a very large degree. Spiritual knowledge in particular, it often seems to me.

So in my own experience, the left side of the body represents the negative polarity (what is unconscious/unknown), the feminine aspect, and the receiving side. Essentially life force energy enters via the left side, foot generally though can also enter at higher levels of the left side, and makes its way upward (toward the light, like a flower to the sun). For most this is not even detected due to the ignorance of what lives at the denser (negative/feminine) levels of energy, and the mass consciousness choice to supress most of it for so long here.

As the energy flows up through the left side, the "feeling side of the consciousness system", it inevitably encounters detours, blocks in flow, or cycles 'round and 'round in the 2nd chakra area, often, sometimes the 1st or 3rd. (This holding pattern can cause disease if it is a constant pattern for an extended period.)

This "unfulfilled" or unbalanced essential energy is then what fuels the mind, direct from the lower center(s), bypassing the person's core and/or balancing center (heart). So the mind is fueled by "unknown energy, following pre-existing patterns". Were it to flow unimpeded, it would enter the heart center and "upfuse" or inform the mind in a wholeness or "fulfilled" fashion.

Again think of receiving... the left side of the body receives the energy at an essential level. It is an unknown thus far. It is then received into the various energy centers (chakras), to nourish and vitalize all bodies of self in the ways pertaining to that center. If there are blocks, that center receives the flow and takes action on the energy based on existing patterns (learned, programmed, DNA, etc.) of control that are in place. If the person is intent on healing these patterns, the required action would be to feel and accept (which constitutes a "full reception", so to say), allow the flow... and it should move on to the next block or onto the heart, whichever applies.

The heart "receives" the energy and balances it with awareness (positive polarity). Another way of phrasing this important moment might be to say that the heart unifies this inflowing energy with it's counterpart in truth. It enters from the negative polarity (fem), and the heart already has the positive polarity (masc) that balances it. They unify and this nullifies duality, or creates whole neutrality. This is divine marriage. And from this higher center (heart), it must then flow to this world via the person. so...

In that process, the masculine/positive polarity "receives" the inspiration/motivation/creative flow of energy -- from the mind on down to the toes -- and "follows through" with it. This typically involves new understanding, changing behaviors and attitudes, taking new actions in life, or sharing in a new way with the world, somehow. This is the "giving out" that balances the "receiving" energy dynamic.

So... in left, up, over to right, down, out.

But again... that's not really how mankind relates to life force here. With so many pre-sets in humanity's relationship to life here, the mind attempts to understand nature and flow from an improper vantage point all too often. This leads to misinterpreting what is encountered, getting confirmational feedback from the environment on the misinterpretations and misperceptions, and even gets them from self in the form of confirming or repeating experiences... and the distortions don't get corrected.

Now... the spiritually intent minds of people here for centuries have been trying to come up with ways to connect with the Divine, perceive beyond their limitations, become better manifestors, maintain health, "win" the game or find the exit, and even prolong life or seek "eternal youth in form". All of these mindsets have made discoveries regarding "how the system really works" and separated out all kinds of pieces of Self and the realm we're in, in an attempt to explain what they've discovered.

Considering all that's mentioned above about how consciousness here has been distorting essential life force flow and acting from a distortedly fueled mental plane all that time... who knows how accurate any of the existing formats, explanations and understandings really are? I know for myself I don't connect with most of them, and the one sense I typically get about them all is that they're misaligned with the natural flow of life. There is a natural, cyclic flow to all life energy that exists well before any mind perceives it. Most systems of knowledge here don't match that nature.

Instead, they are often systems of coercing/manipulating life to move "unnaturally" or according to limited idea structures. This is what happens when one leaves the mind to be the determiner of what's what. The mind here is not... it is still limited (fueled by distorted life force that never got balanced in the heart). Until the mind integrates with the heart or merges with Higher Mind, it remains in separation and limitation, mistaking what it perceives or understands to be the whole truth. At best, what it perceives is but a portion of a much greater whole it cannot access. At worst it is a highly distorted misunderstanding of life that serves to consume the host beingness. So the mind here must learn, not dictate. And it doesn't learn so well, truthfully, from "unknown" sources (it fears them and has many mechanisms in place to subvert any unknown source). It tends to like what's already tried and proven. I don't know if you get the feel and gist of that...

It seems to me it's important to realize that we each are innately provided with a direct connect to source and an internal guidance system that has a sole function of serving our desire to return home. Seeking that out, rather than attempting to "put on" other people's understandings of the system, may be far more advantageous than not.

There are a great many who attempt to "direct" life force according to ideas or beliefs they have about how to do so, which amounts to trying to direct life according to their will, with the intent of doing a good thing... but since they have the process distorted they end up confounding their intentions and even hindering their growth.


Wow... I hadn't intended this to get so long. I hope its helpful but of course, toss if it's not.

~Sowelu

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~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

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Re: The energy body and grounding

From my experience the only infinite source of energy is the sacred heart, somewhre in the middle of the chest.
It's the zero point of physics applied on the human body.
I can connect to it with meditation, doing things that I really love and watching the sun at sunset and sunrise.
Once mankind won't look for outside energy sources, it will be paradise on earth ;-)

  • Registered: 2005-06-26

Re: The energy body and grounding

Unfortunately or fortunately (depending on one's view), a good portion of the human population present today came in with a closed heart chakra. This was the energetic pattern/blueprint for entering this plane, altered via "evolution", so to say, a while back as time goes. So the flow of energy informing consciousness here must first be rectified, before progress forward can occur. That's what a lot of the info I share is about, frankly. Assisting with the rectification, basically.

Many newcomers, being born in for a short while now, enter with an open heart center that's fairly to fully functional. And many over 20yrs old have opened their hearts, and are clearing what blocks it, over the last couple decades or so, too. The shift from mind-dominance to heart-centeredness is well underway. smile

As Adama says, when the time comes that mankind is firmly centered in the heart, this will be a very different place indeed.

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.
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Re: The energy body and grounding

Your questions are well founded, Poffo. It is a very confusing subject to tackle, but also very important to understand.

It seems to me that lots of confusion arises from trying to make good use of theories that are flawed in the first place... there is so much misinformation about these days regarding one's spiritual workings, both deliberate and unintentional, that it seems risky to adopt one system in particular. The risk is not so much that you fail to understand the entirety of your spiritual workings so much as that you misunderstand particular aspects of your spiritual workings - in this case when you imagine or visualize this energy work you are actually being counter-productive. Your being functions rather naturally in the first place, and while self-realization does entail conscious integration of your being's subconscious functions, there is a way of taking control of your subconscious without actually consciously assuming all of its functions.

It is pointless to worry about distinctions between your subtle bodies while you are incarnated physically. Who you truly are is completely self-sufficient in this life but moreover after this life as well. When you die and go to the astral, you are mistaken if you think that you will be able to proactively protect any of your conscious workings. The trick is to understand through right knowledge what is and isn't needed for your personal self-sufficient immortality, and then to focus outwardly from this position. In other words, if you concern yourself consciously with the functioning of your being, then disruption of your focus from external threats can comprimise the flame of your existence; conversely, if you *are* your flame and simply look outwards from your observer perspective, then if you lose focus you only lose focus on your surroundings, but you maintain your presence and therein your existence.

Knowledge truly is power in this matter, as opposed to linear information as to what parts of you take care of what internal processes. The key is to *realize* that you already *are* your subconscious. The worry is that if you do not take care of the entirety of your being consciously, then the individual consciousness of your present incarnation cannot exist after death any more than it is actually in the driver's seat in life, and who you are this lifetime will become nothing more than a memory as you "remember" that you are actually a soul or HigherSelf. This is flawed reasoning, however, and just what *they* want you to think, so that when you die you enter some kind of subservient role as a "memory" or as in a "heaven" or "hell", all the while feeding "them" your energy that you don't yourself proactively use.

That fact is that in life as well as in death you *ARE* your soul, you *ARE* your HigherSelf... whatever knowledge you possess carries over if you wish to remember, and whatever ignorance you possess also carries over. Thus lifetime after lifetime you remain the same individual agent of consciousness, and your personal progress in unravelling your individuality from around your core of enlightenment is a sequential process that is not "reset" every incarnation. Your divine spark of enlightenment is Spirit, It is your eternal flame, and it helps you realize enlightenment sending messages through your HigherSelf while respecting your individual freedom of will. But it is only conscious insofar as a computer program of enlightenment, and relies exclusively on *you* for individual identity and decision-making.

Self-realization involves choosing an identity for yourself and then maintaining conscious presence throughout your immortal existence as opposed to choosing denial and forgetfulness every incarnation round. Flaws in your choice of individual identity in terms of imcompatibility with eternal individual existence supported by a spark of enlightenment manifest as dischord and karma in your life. It is not as if who you "truly are" is telling you how to "truly be", but rather your *ever unconscious* 'fuel source', if you will, is mechanically sending you information signaling structural errors in your present identity. Although free will allows you to to exist as perfectly or flawed as you wish to, an eternity of flawed existence is quite hellish whereas an eternity of perfect existence is heavenly; moreover, there are literally infinite combinations of individual identity for you create for yourself a perfect pattern of individuality, and similarly there are literally infinite combinations of individual identity for you to create for yourself an imperfect pattern of individuality.

The key is that change is the only constant. Your subconscious is basically everything about you that perpetually changes, in terms of your divine spark's perpetual maintenance of its (your) existence. Thus when you realize that you are inseperable from your divine spark, you realize that your subconscious is a computer program that supports your sentiency and is nothing to integrate any more than it perpetually sends you helpful information. Integration of the unconscious, then, is a matter of creating sentient individual identity that relates in a perfect way with your divine spark, making full use of the signals you receive, such as your intuition. The process is necessarily fractal in nature, because if you create an individuality that is imperfect in light of enlightenment, that is stagnant in terms of eternal existence, then you create for yourself a fate of polarizing yourself as your ego away from your divine spark that is your fuel source... eventually you will self-annihilate and lose your individuality, and your divine spark will begin again from scratch per its automatic functioning. Self-realization is learning not to fear change but rather to embrace it as the power of your subconscious in a way that is completely non-threatening to your sense of individuality.

I hope I have not strayed too far away from your question... I'm trying to explain that you are your subconscious even without consciously minding its affairs, and that to live with the best possible energy working it is a matter choosing the right identity for you; subtle bodies and such things are aspects of your unconscious mechanical workings and respond to your mental and emotional instructions and desires automatically if, say, you wish to astral travel. To "become" your subtle body is not how you astral travel, for example, because not only are you already it, but if you grasp too tightly for the control then you will lack the subtlety necessary for good control that your spark of enlightenment possesses naturally (and which is at your command).

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Re: The energy body and grounding

For what its worth, I have reached the same mindset as Adama. I meditate and center myself in my heart, which I consider my connection to the infinite energy of the divine source of all that is. So, it was nice to read that someone else meditates that way as well. smile I have not paid so much attention to "left or right side" of the body, although I've read material that suggested there was a difference. I haven't had any experiences that validated that for me. I think it is important to find a center point, a balance. But actually what Sowelu says about "receiving" energies on the left side is what I have heard from others as well, for example it was once suggested to me to keep a black tourmaline stone in my left pocket to help deflect incoming negative energies. I found that to be valid at the time, and haven't thought much about it since.

Well, I'll get technical. My "meditations" or prayer or whatever changes often, and I rarely do the same thing twice unless I find that certain images or phrases feel especially apt. Lately I have been considering my connection with the four sacred directions... the North, East, South and West. I see them converging in my heart and connecting me with my fellow beings on the planet. Then I focus on grounding myself into the Earth, which sustains my physical incarnation in 3D, and I express gratitude to Mother Earth. Then I focus on connecting myself with the energy of the Sun, and further to the Galactic Center, and open myself to incoming information that is aligned with the Truth of the source of all that is. I center and balance all of these energies in my heart, the seat of the Divine within myself, my true identity, my awareness. I radiate a brilliant golden energy outwards from my heart, which surrounds and protects my being from negative energetic influence. I also radiate this energy outwards, into the environment that I live in, or out to the hearts of other beings for whom the energy would be of positive use.

I feel very calm, centered and ultimately fearless when I do this meditation, so I think it has been a positive action to take in my day-to-day life. Maybe this is validating for some others out there? Oh yeah, and I don't think there is per se a "proper" way to do it, I think the important thing is how it feels for you, but I know from experience how subtle-beyond-subtle it can be sometimes...

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  • Registered: 2006-03-29

Re: The energy body and grounding

I don't know, Poffo.  I tell ya what though, my advise would be to never stop trying different things.  Even if you find something that works, use it of course but keep changing it up.

I have adopted a temporary theory, however.  My theories on things still continue to morph but anyway.  Ok, so you got this atom with it's nucleus and electrons and such.  And the ratio of the space within an atom is pretty darn close to the ratios seen in the macrosmic space (i.e. sun, moon, oort belt).  Within that space within that atom is the fabric of the energy realm.  In fact it pretty much permeates everything.  Then, within that fabric is the fabric of the spiritual realm.  Within the fabric of the spiritual realm is an open canvas.  A place of no fabric, no limits.  I mean we really don't know what the structure of existence is but in order to expand thought patterns, temporary things have to be adopted until better information is forthcoming.

But basically what T'cix said, you already are what it is you wish to control.  So the answer is that you control the energy body in the same way you control your arm.  You don't necessarily think about picking up a glass of water.  You just do it.

There is also a method whereby energy is called upon, not in an up and down sense, but as “from within to without”, a simultaneous enlivening of all the constituent material (and metaphysical) parts of being.

As far as visualization, if I do any, it would be along the lines in your quote.  But I do it from a standpoint of 'feeling' the ratio of outer space as if it were inner space.  And seeing the compression of energy and the minute complex energy patterns that make up what we term as 'forces'.  Also, simultaneously realizing that awareness is the trump card.  So that now trillions of "from within to without" powerhouses are going off within my immediate influenceable sphere.

As far as grounding, I've read that the Terran Energy Field is like a human aura in that it extends beyond the skin.  If that is the case then we are already within the field.  In that instance, "ground"ing may be a misnomer.  Although, it might be good to walk on the ground to try and match the actual vibration in order to connect energetically with the planet's energy sphere.  But as far as connecting to the field in a manner of spiritually nesting one's own frequency to match the planet's, it shouldn't be necessary to focus on the ground or on any particular energy flow pattern.

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Transcix wrote:

there is a way of taking control of your subconscious without actually consciously assuming all of its functions.

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Integration of the unconscious, then, is a matter of creating sentient individual identity that relates in a perfect way with your divine spark, making full use of the signals you receive, such as your intuition.

and have you been able to successfully do these things? I am curious, I like your post, it is very optimistic.

It is not as if who you "truly are" is telling you how to "truly be", but rather your *ever unconscious* 'fuel source', if you will, is mechanically sending you information signaling structural errors in your present identity.

if you concern yourself consciously with the functioning of your being, then disruption of your focus from external threats can comprimise the flame of your existence; conversely, if you *are* your flame and simply look outwards from your observer perspective, then if you lose focus you only lose focus on your surroundings, but you maintain your presence and therein your existence.

I do not think that it is hard to maintain an existance, just as I do not think most people actually fear death, as they say, I think most people fear all of the horrible, humiliating and awful things that can happen to them before death. Most beings who incarnate to do consciousness work are not satisfied with existing, we want to have a true purpose for our existance at this time, to be able to integrate it with what is taking place in society and on the planet at this time.

Do you believe that life "gives you messages," or that obstacles and failures lead you to aligning more with eternal identity, or do you think that this is just the way we have to interpret things in the mind to keep from going nuts when a "something must change" phase kicks-in?-lala

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A potential source of further insight might be occult anatomy, like that discussed in the Hermeticism. Franz Bardon wrote about this in his book Initiation into Hermetics, with the first chapter containing a list of body areas and their energy polarization - pages 17-24. You'd have to figure out what the hell he's even talking about in a way that is natural and practical to your own understanding, otherwise the usual hermetic policy of "guarding secrets from the profane" obscures it from understanding via mere casual reading, but the man says it has profound applications in healing if properly understood. 

Other authors like Steiner and Manly Hall have covered this too... I'd trust those kinds of sources over the usual New Age "this-chakra-means-that" material. Reason I mention Bardon is because his system uses the four elements, one being earth, and that ties in somewhat with your question about grounding energies.

Also, according to Stewart Swerdlow, or rather the lady who taught him this technique, visualizing the color brown has a grounding effect.

People who are not grounded tend to be "not all here" and a bit spacey-headed, idealistic, caught up in fantasy instead of being realistic and on-the-ball. So the simple exercise of being sharply aware of your presence in the here-and-now, of your body, your physical environment, the solidity of the floor beneath your feet, all that may help ground by focusing your awareness on your immediate reality and thereby pulling in loose and leaky parts of your energy field.

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Re: The energy body and grounding

Thanks for the feedback, people! Sorry for taking so long to respond but I wanted to make sure that I had enough time and energy to dedicate to a comprehensive reply.   

Sowelu wrote:

So in my own experience, the left side of the body represents the negative polarity (what is unconscious/unknown), the feminine aspect, and the receiving side. Essentially life force energy enters via the left side, foot generally though can also enter at higher levels of the left side, and makes its way upward (toward the light, like a flower to the sun). For most this is not even detected due to the ignorance of what lives at the denser (negative/feminine) levels of energy, and the mass consciousness choice to supress most of it for so long here.

As the energy flows up through the left side, the "feeling side of the consciousness system", it inevitably encounters detours, blocks in flow, or cycles 'round and 'round in the 2nd chakra area, often, sometimes the 1st or 3rd. (This holding pattern can cause disease if it is a constant pattern for an extended period.)

This "unfulfilled" or unbalanced essential energy is then what fuels the mind, direct from the lower center(s), bypassing the person's core and/or balancing center (heart). So the mind is fueled by "unknown energy, following pre-existing patterns". Were it to flow unimpeded, it would enter the heart center and "upfuse" or inform the mind in a wholeness or "fulfilled" fashion.

Again think of receiving... the left side of the body receives the energy at an essential level. It is an unknown thus far. It is then received into the various energy centers (chakras), to nourish and vitalize all bodies of self in the ways pertaining to that center. If there are blocks, that center receives the flow and takes action on the energy based on existing patterns (learned, programmed, DNA, etc.) of control that are in place. If the person is intent on healing these patterns, the required action would be to feel and accept (which constitutes a "full reception", so to say), allow the flow... and it should move on to the next block or onto the heart, whichever applies.

The heart "receives" the energy and balances it with awareness (positive polarity). Another way of phrasing this important moment might be to say that the heart unifies this inflowing energy with it's counterpart in truth. It enters from the negative polarity (fem), and the heart already has the positive polarity (masc) that balances it. They unify and this nullifies duality, or creates whole neutrality. This is divine marriage. And from this higher center (heart), it must then flow to this world via the person. so...

In that process, the masculine/positive polarity "receives" the inspiration/motivation/creative flow of energy -- from the mind on down to the toes -- and "follows through" with it. This typically involves new understanding, changing behaviors and attitudes, taking new actions in life, or sharing in a new way with the world, somehow. This is the "giving out" that balances the "receiving" energy dynamic.

So... in left, up, over to right, down, out.

Interesting (to me) that you have the idea of an opposite flow to the one I was familiar with.  I'm trying to visualize the flow you have described but I am a bit confused.

So, it comes up through the left leg and moves into the first chakra and rises according to the relative blockage of the chakra path.  My question is, from this point, once settled in heart and connected to mind, does it go back down the chakra path and then out through the right leg? And if so, where does that leave the arms in the equation.

When you speak of of the left having the receiving function it's making more sense to me.  From the earth's (and/or the material universe that it represents) perspective it would be it's positive flow going into your negative (left foot, which attracts it in the first place).

         *body*   (-)
left foot -->   ---------
          *earth* (+)

          *body*  (+)
right foot--> ---------
          *earth*  (-)

The attractive polarity of the earth would pull the energy moving through the body positively through the right foot.  This is all assuming that this energetic relationship truly exists as such and can be mapped as to it's route.

I see a problem however in the strict definition of (-) or (+) polarity for either side of the body.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but from what I understand each particle in a magnet is pointed in a certain way (forming the linear poles) so that all the positives are pointing one way and the same for the negatives.  Like:  (-/+)(-/+)(-/+) and so on, necessarily creating a (-) pole and (+) pole in the magnet structure as a whole.  A bunch of mini-magnets forming a larger construct taking on the essence of it's smaller parts.

Using this natural structure, wouldn't it make sense that the (-) side of the body's polarity, for example, would actually be polarized (-/+) whereas the right side (+) would actually be (+/-)?  It contains both but one is more dominant, like a man generally has more masculine energy and a woman generally have more feminine energy (with exceptions of course in both cases).  Each physical sex contains both but in a biased imbalance, as a magnet would.
 

There is a natural, cyclic flow to all life energy that exists well before any mind perceives it.

This is exactly what I'm attempting to "figure" out! How this natural energetic flow moves and directs itself.

Instead, they are often systems of coercing/manipulating life to move "unnaturally" or according to limited idea structures. This is what happens when one leaves the mind to be the determiner of what's what. The mind here is not... it is still limited (fueled by distorted life force that never got balanced in the heart). Until the mind integrates with the heart or merges with Higher Mind, it remains in separation and limitation, mistaking what it perceives or understands to be the whole truth. At best, what it perceives is but a portion of a much greater whole it cannot access. At worst it is a highly distorted misunderstanding of life that serves to consume the host beingness. So the mind here must learn, not dictate. And it doesn't learn so well, truthfully, from "unknown" sources (it fears them and has many mechanisms in place to subvert any unknown source). It tends to like what's already tried and proven. I don't know if you get the feel and gist of that...

I think that I get what you're saying here, and I would like to state that my intention is to respect that natural function.  I don't want to take control for the sake of unnecessary or potentially damaging practice, but I think that by properly understanding the fundamental structure and flow of the energy body that I could strengthen it's "performance" above it just working at minimum efficiency for the sake of maintaining life.  Maybe it is so natural a function that it self-regulates without any beneficial effects through conscious work, but something tells me that there is more to this aspect of our body and that by consciously establishing the "right" relationship with this energy that spiritual growth could happen in a much more efficient and balanced way.  If I understood the proper relationships of energy and body(ies) I would only seek to "manipulate" it in a way that respects my own free will and keeps things in balance.  This isn't for black magic, just health.

This leads me to another aspect of this energetic manipulation for useful and balanced effects.  I'm recovering from a left shoulder injury (rotator cuff strain/tear) from a few months ago and one reason I want to understant these processes is so that I can consciously rebalance that part of my energy body so that this proper functioning translates into physical regeneration and strengthening of the injured area.  If I were to be visualizing the wrong flow of energy to this area in meditations I could do worse damage and actually stunt or reverse the healing that has already taken place.   Maybe LipstickMystic or someone else would know more about this line of conscious energy work, but it's something that I've been concerned with ever since I injured myself. 

As far as chakras go, from what I understand it is a healthy practice to "work on" your chakras, not by simply visualizing opening and brightening them,  but by applying current personality "issues" to the corresponding energy vibration, seeking to balance by, as Sowelu said, "allowing" the energy to pass through, breaking up the blockage and letting the energy go it's merry way, having processed the energy for what is physically/emotionally/mentally/spiritually. This is most effective as a conscious practice, as in meditation, which obviously involves "control" of the thoughts/emotions needed to work out these blockage causing distortions in the self.

Transcix, even though your reply was slightly off-topic, it was noted and mostly replied to already in the above paragraphs.

Another aspect of this I meant to touch on, as thr33tim3 kind of did already, is the stabilized/balanced flow of energy and it's effects on warding off negative entities/thought forms through a maintained integrity of the system.   Is awareness alone sufficient to keep "them" at bay or does a conscious strengthening of the personal energy flows also have an effect on keeping the drawbridge up and the moat filled with water, so to speak...

Perhaps mental/emotional centering and keeping positive vibes (as in the meditations described by Adama and thr33tim3) is enough to ensure the proper functioning of the energy body that has been exposed to physical trauma (such as my shoulder injury) or metaphysical attack.

z3n3rg wrote:

...you control the energy body in the same way you control your arm.  You don't necessarily think about picking up a glass of water.

I know what you mean, but the difference here is that I had to learn how to properly manipulate my limbs as a child before I could pick up that glass of water without incident, learning the necessary hand-eye coordination required for the effort.  While the underlying physical structure is already present to effectively move the arm and pick up the glass, the associations must be made first by the child so that it can be executed properly. 

I mean we really don't know what the structure of existence is but in order to expand thought patterns, temporary things have to be adopted until better information is forthcoming.

I agree and this is what I'm attempting here.  Basically I'm trying to unite the linear and non-linear ways of looking at the metaphysical energy processes into practice.  Combining the in<->out as well as above<->below.

montalk wrote:

So the simple exercise of being sharply aware of your presence in the here-and-now, of your body, your physical environment, the solidity of the floor beneath your feet, all that may help ground by focusing your awareness on your immediate reality and thereby pulling in loose and leaky parts of your energy field.

I would see this as being an exercise in establishing balance in the root chakra, as it pertains to the material universe (1st density) and the situation of the self within that larger expanded self.  BTW, thanks for the Bardon suggestion, seems like it might be a beneficial source, though I must keep my discernment goggles clear of steam when dealing with "magical" practices such as his. 

Also, regarding the NEW (New Energy Ways) system of Robert Bruce.  Not sure how many here are familiar.  Apparently he derived his system from astral sight, seeing the flows in real time.  He doesn't seem to factor polarity in at all, even though within the illusory creation everything has a dual nature.  For example, if there is an energetic body polarity then wouldn't consciously "sweeping" energy up both legs cause an imbalance in one of the legs where the direction would be going the wrong way?

I know I've got a lot of questions, but try to bear with me here folks.  I seek greater clarity as far as this subject goes and hopefully through the thoughfult discussion and sharing here a clearer understanding of the energy body(ies) can be formulated. I'll be consulting my guidance system for further help in addition to the goings on here.  Thanks to everyone for their contributions, keep 'em coming (if available/possible)!

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  • Registered: 2006-03-29

Re: The energy body and grounding

z3n3rg wrote:

...you control the energy body in the same way you control your arm.  You don't necessarily think about picking up a glass of water.

I know what you mean, but the difference here is that I had to learn how to properly manipulate my limbs as a child before I could pick up that glass of water without incident, learning the necessary hand-eye coordination required for the effort.  While the underlying physical structure is already present to effectively move the arm and pick up the glass, the associations must be made first by the child so that it can be executed properly.

You are right.

I think I see what you're after.  I've adopted the "within to without" visual.  But not before I used the left to right energy spin.  And the kundalini movement from bottom to top.  But why not see all three myself asks myself.  To which I respond with the 3 way energy pattern visual.  There self, and yes that was interesting.

There are other visuals too.  A stream of energy (or light i guess) coming from the center of the galaxy through the body and into the center of the earth.  If that visual is givin feeling to add depth it might could be used as a grounding mechanism I suppose.

Meh, I don't know.  Just some thoughts to add to your fire.

I agree and this is what I'm attempting here.  Basically I'm trying to unite the linear and non-linear ways of looking at the metaphysical energy processes into practice.  Combining the in<->out as well as above<->below.

Aye!  Good to hear.  I'm trying to dig down and find some more thoughts on the subject.  Who knows what thing will trigger your epiphany on this subject.

The following may be completely wrong, but... As far as energy, I would say that it isn't required to follow a flow.  The energy is already within the atoms of the glands and organs.  The atoms are made from the energy.  The energy is the 'empty' space within.  A problem with the left shoulder would require a localized visualization about creating, manipulating, or transducing the necessary energy in that area.

The energy field is dense and vibrating faster than we can see.  Matter is a condensed version.  The condensed energy will create the predicatable patterns of forces we know as matter.  Like a quark is a bunch of the energy spinning around itself which in turn creates a pulling of energy in one direction thus creating a force field.  And then a few quarks get together to form a neutron.  Due to the fundamental forces, spin, and momentum, the condensed energy acts like (what we call) matter after it's grouping.  The universal energy field is like the quantum soup of our material realm.

I prefer to pull from within first.  I don't think it makes much difference when you really thing about it though.  Just depends on one's own personal perspective I suppose.

Taking it further I would brighten the chakras without pulling energy from another chakra or from anywhere outside itself.  I would just send thoughts into the localized energy field.  Thought units, really.  Which are basically a grouping of thought/feeling patterns associated with a particular topic or many topics.  I could send the thought/feeling pattern of how I came to feel our oneness with existence.

It'd be like slapping that chakra up side the head and yelling "Wake Up chakra and start sending out your energy vibration like the solar wind!".  And it'd be all like groggy and stuff and be all "wut chu talkin bout?".  And you'd be all like "listen here chakra you're a piece of the universe now start acting like it!".

But I digress.

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  • Registered: 2006-10-16

Re: The energy body and grounding

Everyone exists in 12-D, just like 1-D exists in all twelve dimensions, 2-D exists in all but 1-D, 3-D exists in all but 1-D and 2-D... we live in an emissive universe.. and we are all ever simultaneously shooting down the Qabalistic Tree of Life ala a lightning bolt as well as returning back up the Tree ala serpent/Kundalini... some people focus more on the going up, others on the coming down, etc etc... it is a matter of one's personal stage of soul evolution, as well as one's personal divinely unique preferences of individual identity coupled with one's astrological template of their present incarnation. You cannot ever even hope to control it all... but the parts you focus on controlling affect the entirety of your flow.. just don't be mistaken to strive towards an 'all encompassing' model.. there is no "right way" any more than "going down" the Tree in the first place is more of a 'Source' for "you're" being than "going back up" the Tree is... it's all relative! Remembrance or creation? Realizing the old or keeping the flaws and blocking the new? You need to build a system that's right for you based upon what you *know* is right for you, because we are all at different, not better or worse, but different, places. I don't understand how you can be asking others to confirm or deny your views on some universal model of harmonious existence in terms of energies... because there is no such thing.. and thinking there is is a key part of 'the conspiracy'.

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  • Registered: 2006-12-02

Re: The energy body and grounding

Hi Poffo,

I have a couple suggestions; maybe you can incorporate them into your existence. Or not... smile

I have to thank Starling for this. Thank you, Starling!!!  She has posted this website before and I went there and looked around. I bought the book and started practicing.  It's called Quantum Touch. It is about using Universal Lifeforce energy to heal yourself and help others to heal themselves. I had been quite ill and wanted to learn how to heal myself since the medical community had not been of use to me thus far (except to tell me what was NOT wrong with me).

The reason I think it might be useful to you is because it uses a technique that is automatically grounding. It sounds like it might be the same type (or close) to what Robert Bruce is using, although I'm not sure.  It's a process of breathing and sweeping. On the inhale, you bring the energy up through both your feet to the top of your head (or even higher) and then bring it down your arms and out your hands on the exhale. This, supposedly, grounds you at the same time as it is flowing through you. I apologize if I'm not explaining clearly.  The website is www.quantumtouch.com.  The whole idea is to use attention, intention, and allowance. Richard Gordon teaches breathing patterns to use so that you are using U.L.F.E. instead of your own energy (when healing). He also states that it's very important to let your hands relax and allow the flow of energy to come. If you are rigid, it won't work as well.

My mom has been into polarity stuff for a while. We have electrical meridians running through our body. Each one is a zone. You could look for information about zone therapy to learn more about the flow, I guess.  I don't know about the polarity thing and if it has any bearing on allowing lifeforce energy to flow through you.

Recently, I have started using a somewhat different technique than the QT method. I'm not sure, but I think (and hope!) that it is more effective. You see, the whole basis of energy healing is that it is love/heart based. If you're trying to help someone heal themselves, then love is required, as well as the intention. So here I am doing the breathe/sweep method, when I realized that the energy was just going past my heart center, maybe picking up some, but it didn't feel like much. Granted, I could feel the energy in my hands using the QT method, but I feel much more energy--more intense, you could say--by using this new one I came up with. Actually, it's a combination from what I've learned lately--from many different sources. So maybe you can come up with your own. As long as it feels right, then it's probably working to some degree. Just change it up until your heart center is singing in acknowledgement and you can feel intense energy flowing out your hands.

Okay here goes: When I'm running energy, I imagine the lifeforce energy coming into me through the bottom of my feet (both) and, at the same time, down through the top of my head, where the energy meets at my heart center. That happens on the inhale. Then on the exhale, I run the energy from my heart center down my arms and out my hands. I used this technique Saturday night in a distant healing session for my mom, and my hands were blazing! I don't really mean on fire, but the intensity of energy coming out was very much stronger than the QT method.

I also have one more way that I'm experimenting with: I imagine and allow the energy to come into me as if I were a great big sponge. It comes in through every pore of my body to meet in the heart center. Then again, on the exhale, the energy runs down my arms and out the hands. This method has also brought about sensations in my hands, so I know it's working. Now granted, I don't know whether the two forms I came up with are grounding or not. I imagine that they are, but who knows? Nonetheless, I don't feel like I'm floating off anywhere.  BTW, now that I've started using these tweeked techniques, I am having a hard time feeling the energy when doing the QT method. Oh, and I do still use the breathing patterns; they are very helpful no matter where you imagine the energy to be coming from.

You can use this to heal yourself, if your subconscious mind is aligned with your intentions. To use it on your shoulder will take some imagination. The idea is to sandwich the painful area between your hands so that the energy is on both sides, for the most effectiveness. Well, I'm flexible, but not that much! So when I'm working on my liver, for example, I do one of two things. I either lay both hands on my liver area in the front of my body, or I lay one hand on my liver and imagine that the other hand is on my back (or directly on the organ). So basically, the energy follows thought and intention. If you intend for it, you can imagine the energy going anywhere in your body.  This is also how distant healing works. If the person is not in front of you, you have to use your imagination to see that miniature person in your hands. Or just imagining a certain part of them in your hands. It's kind of like making a PSI energy ball.

If you're really interested in this energy stuff (which I am), then I highly recommend the QT book as well as a few books on polarity therapy. There are many available. The QT book was only $15, and well worth it, IMO.

I hope this was of some help to you. I know I didn't answer all your questions, but maybe this will lead you to something that will help.

  • Registered: 2006-12-02

Re: The energy body and grounding

z3n3rg wrote:


It'd be like slapping that chakra up side the head and yelling "Wake Up chakra and start sending out your energy vibration like the solar wind!".  And it'd be all like groggy and stuff and be all "wut chu talkin bout?".  And you'd be all like "listen here chakra you're a piece of the universe now start acting like it!".

But I digress.

lol:lol::lol:

I love that! Thanks for the laugh!

  • Registered: 2005-06-26

Re: The energy body and grounding

My apologies for not responding before now, I've been away for a few days.

Poffo wrote:

Interesting (to me) that you have the idea of an opposite flow to the one I was familiar with.  I'm trying to visualize the flow you have described but I am a bit confused.

Within my post I offered what I feel is an explanation for the "opposite flow" than what most are familiar with. When life is first "sensed" or understood with the mind, it will appear to be what it's not, simply because the mind operates from a distorted and limited construct here.

I reiterate this because of all the things I feel I could talk about in regard to the subjects you've brought up in this thread, feeling is likely the most important. Inner senses (talked of by Seth via Jane Roberts as well as many others), as well as basic human emotion feeling, is the key to moving forward in a healthy manner. Never mind how the mind organizes input, feel life for a while without attempting to figure it out or direct it. Ask life to speak to you in a way you can "grok", as opposed to mentally fit in a box. Realize you're not separate from it, it is intelligent itself, and you are partners. It's a very different way of being than most here have. And from this practice what you need will become evident to you in your own unique ways.

Poffo wrote:

So, it comes up through the left leg and moves into the first chakra and rises according to the relative blockage of the chakra path.  My question is, from this point, once settled in heart and connected to mind, does it go back down the chakra path and then out through the right leg? And if so, where does that leave the arms in the equation.

I was guided from within, or sensed with knowing, long ago not to focus on or worry about the chakras, nor the physical body so much, so I'm likely the last person to answer this question with any effectiveness! lol

The sense I had about why these mechanical processes are not important to focus on is the same reason not to focus on most "thought constructs" that exist here... those ideas were formed by limited minds attempting to understand the experiences of energy they were encountering at that time (esp with regard to chakras). They are "dead knowledge" in the sense. And even if they were true or accurate yesterday, they are limited concepts when accessed today. And not your own, to boot.

Also, they are "outside/in" information flows, which are not nearly as useful or appropriate as "inside/out" ones. In other words, you have your own font of wisdom within to be used over and above anything else you might encounter. Using that, being your own investigator and authority of life for yourself, is so much more in line with why you're here than trying to grasp someone else's ideas about what life is, how it moves, or how to work with it.

This idea goes counter to the established order here, which is no coincidence. There's a good chance that what you wish to accomplish through understanding and using these methods you've recently begun researching and exploring, is already happening without your meddling via mental idea constructs.

Again, basic to every life is trust. Set your intent and trust that if you witness life, it will reveal how your intent is manifesting (or show you where the intent was "off" from nature and your highest good). Rather than feeling you need to "make life move" in ways your mind and will has determined are the "proper" methods. Life knows what it's doing. Always has. The key is to learn to cooperate with it, rather than direct it from our limited awareness and access at this level.

So using our own inner font of wisdom -- without attempting to compare or contrast to another's ideas -- will take you where you, specifically, need and want and are naturally inclined to go. In this way you'll discover what's precisely right for you, iow. I realize this is not as easy as it sounds, but that's the effort worth putting in; that which will connect you with your own unique spark's vitality, intelligence, sense of flow, and wisdom. Life operates naturally, regardless of how we understand it's function. Every life, and each uniquely according to its own "blueprint", so to say. Trust is far more important than mentally conceiving or perceiving or grasping what's going on energetically.

Poffo wrote:

I see a problem however in the strict definition of (-) or (+) polarity for either side of the body.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but from what I understand each particle in a magnet is pointed in a certain way (forming the linear poles) so that all the positives are pointing one way and the same for the negatives.  Like:  (-/+)(-/+)(-/+) and so on, necessarily creating a (-) pole and (+) pole in the magnet structure as a whole.  A bunch of mini-magnets forming a larger construct taking on the essence of it's smaller parts.

Using this natural structure, wouldn't it make sense that the (-) side of the body's polarity, for example, would actually be polarized (-/+) whereas the right side (+) would actually be (+/-)?  It contains both but one is more dominant, like a man generally has more masculine energy and a woman generally have more feminine energy (with exceptions of course in both cases).  Each physical sex contains both but in a biased imbalance, as a magnet would.

That may well be accurate. I don't know if what flows next here will make sense to you in relation to the above idea, but I'll offer it because it's what immediately comes to mind when attempting to reply to the above:

My own life has been focused in the ways it has due to the imbalances that have lived at this level for so long. I have accessed life and worked with it from an essential level (inner), without use of pre-existing mental constructs (the mind is an "outer" construct here thus far, basically), so that what resulted was more truly rooted in the "real" and "present" (which includes and harmonizes a timeline's past and future variables).

For years I had a friend who would chastise me for not being more "balanced", as they understood it, because I spent what seemed like an inordinate amount of time "within", and almost no focus on the external or physical realm. This is an understandable view, but if you understand that the current "outer" realm is based on what lives within, you quickly realize that focusing "out there" makes no sense, until one clarifies the inner. The inner is the source of what's seen "out there"! So once the inner is clear, all that flows outward from it will be less distorted, more real, and true. The "inner" is the negative polarity, basically. The feminine, the "dark", the unknown, etc.

The positive polarity here is the "light" or what's "known" or that which has had light shed upon it. This includes the ideas explored and existing here, the systems and constructs in place, the mind of man, the perception of nature here, attitudes, beliefs, and the active principle as its understood and applied here so far...

Putting together the understanding of how much has been distorted by the "light" or "masculine" mind here (because its been fueled by an unbalanced feminine or "dark" or negative polarity flow), along with the understanding that so much has gone unnoticed, denied, repressed, ignored because that very mind also tends to cling what's already known... there is a host of reasons not to focus on the positive polarity flow here until the negative has been duly and perhaps thoroughly explored.

So while I appreciate that many others here will and must focus in what seems a more "balanced" fashion, it is actually neither more balanced, nor for me. I have discovered for myself that it slows down the growth process a great deal, causes a lot of misunderstandings and difficulties that might not have been necessary... and overall just doesn't work for my goals and aspirations. But... that's me. Again... I realize not everyone here is doing the same thing or acts for the same reasons, etc. So once again I'd say trust your own innate sense of what's right for you. smile

Perhaps some questions to ask: Are you trying to understand how life got the way it appears to be here now? Are you looking to be just like your current understanding of life, or are you trying to align yourself appropriately with life as it truly is in order to be healthy and whole? Are you interested in fitting your intent into what seems to be from your limited perception, or are you interested in aligning with what truly IS in truth?

If the former in each case, by all means use existing understandings of how things are or should be or whatnot. But if you're interested in the latter... forget trying to fit truth into existing ideas of reality. Let life tell you directly. To do that, you must learn to listen effectively. If you spent all your time doing nothing else but learning to listen to life better, for the rest of your life... it would be a life well spent. This activity relies heavily on everything else about you but your mind. Feelings, dreams, intuition, sensing "feelers" of energy flows, and most especially the heart.

As difficult as it is for a mind-directed person to understand (and I'm not saying you are one, I don't know if you are or not), every injury and event in our life is a result of our energy field's status. That means... what we are and are not aware of in our total energies, what we ignore/repress/deny, etc., what we cling to, what we're exploring, what we intend, what we refuse to accept... all of this, in every moment, creates our life experiences.

So if you had an injury you are trying to recover from, the best thing you can do for yourself is understand how that injury came to be, in truth. When you understand what caused it, you've already healed it. Because nothing about it is now "dishonored" or distorted or misunderstood anymore... it has no need to "impress itself upon you to get noticed".

Attempting to heal from the outside in, as in looking to discover how to manipulate energy to force healing where you decide you want healing... is not necessarily going to get you what you want, and might create what you don't want. Trust that you became injured for a reason, and perhaps the reason is just what you're doing: looking deeper into life, energy and what constitutes "natural flow", etc. And if that is the reason perhaps it's a good thing to consider a number of different avenues of pursuit.

Believing that life or circumstance is only yours to "pick up and deal with" after life seemingly hands you a blow, is misunderstanding that you've been creating your life all along, and the injury is necessary feedback on how you're doing in that regard.

I apologize if this post seems odd or off, I'm having difficulty working thoughts today. So I instead just "followed the energy and let it speak" without managing it in any way. Perhaps the results are useful to you. If not, toss.

~Sowelu

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