Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Transcix wrote:
... but WiH clearly states that there are no "higher realms" beyond the astral...

and

The text also states that higher realms beyond the astral do in fact exist, but worse, the text demonizes the astral as something unhealthy to ground yourself in... WiH would say that people who think that way would go straight into joining a Theocratic Band upon death, thinking they are in heaven or some higher realm beyond the astral.

Although I have not read the WIH book, I have read the long thread here about it. Personally, I want to know where I can find the book from the 'crats' digging up the dirt about the IC. There's always two sides to every story. What makes people think that the IC is in any better of a position to give advice than their enemies?

So yeah, I don't really take everything WIH states as gospel (although they do mix in the truth here and there, it seems--kind of like the bible...). I certainly don't believe that there are no higher realms than what we see here in this physical and man-made spiritual plane.  I think it's just another way to keep us trapped here.  There is something beyond. It's inside of us. It's that knowing.

To this end, I guess I'll just have to agree with zenden and Tom about being prepared. Nothing wrong with awareness and protection. It's like stocking the pantry before a long winter, or keeping emergency supplies in the house, IMO. I don't want to envelope my life in the psychic arena, I just want to be prepared; just as I don't want an emergency to happen in my area, but I'll be ready just the same. And if raising my awareness is enough protection, then so be it.  That is what I'll strive for, and I believe that protection will come with that experience.

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lala--I do not follow Crowley.  I have read his Book of Thoth and found some
interesting tidbits throughout but both the book and his beautiful tarot are full
of HIS propaganda, so I've never used them as a divination tool.  What impressed
me most was his expose's of the lies of Christianity, which made him a good guy
in my early years.  But as to his drug use, his formulae and his followers, I have
no use.  Discernment is a real necessity when reading him.

And seeking the truth---When WIH came out in 1988 or so, it was extremely
disturbing to read.  Once again it exposed all the tricks and traps that are being
used against us through organized religion and recently through his website he
has given warnings and background on the shamanistic forms of religion/magic.

WIH is a wakeup call to those who will listen.  The only choices he/IC
give to those who pass is to join the IC , join the theocrats or to reincarnate.
I feel there must be other choices, but I certainly don't want to be suckered
into some theocratic scam.  Like i said before, forewarned is forearmed.

Kyle Griffith said he had asked the IC before about other realms but they
wouldn't talk.  Sounds like they're trying to recruit people to fight the theocrats
in the astral.  Then there's his writings about the formation of "young gods"
made up of thousands of souls.  This all sounds very weird.  Then navigating
these "young gods" thru space to other worlds (using unenlightened souls as
rocket fuel) to do whar?  To decimate other worlds?  No thanks.  It reminds
me of a Star Trek Next Generation episode in which this crystalline entity
went from world to world sucking the life force off each planet, and Data, the
only non human witness was the key to discovering the creature.

I don't care to participate in that kind of scenario.
Meanwhile, I'll just do like you said, truth seeker, stocking up for the winter!

Regards to all

TP

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lala--I do not follow Crowley.  I have read his Book of Thoth and found some
interesting tidbits throughout but both the book and his beautiful tarot are full
of HIS propaganda, so I've never used them as a divination tool.

Tom, I didn't think you did, I just want to warn people about his work. I used the Thoth tarot for several years, thought I had an amazing connection to it, etc. However his imagery attracts a certain type of "mind parasite" to use stuff from another thread. Also demonic energies, and yes I would have laughed had someone said that to me a year ago. There was a reason why his Tarot didn't become popular until awhile after he'd died and people had forgotten about his reputation. In keeping with this discussion, if people don't want to be tied into the lower fourth dimensions don't use images from it like Tarot cards, they carry their own entities-lala

don't judge a book by its name

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You know, when I first grokked on the idea of the tarot and of Crowley's synthesis
of Astrology, I Ching and tarot symbolism I thought Wow!  Finally a system by
which we can tie all this stuff together!  And I thought if anyone had the knowledge
and wherewithal to do it it would be him.  Since no one else had ever had the balls
to try it, I was impressed.  But I never could make myself use the cards for a
reading.  Matter of fact I've never done a reading for myself, and anyone who has
done a reading for me has always used the Rider deck as their springboard.
Now I'm mostly leery of any kind of reading because the "psychic" is just reading
what's in my aura, not what I may do or what may happen.  Hell, I can do that
myself with the I Ching.  But I must admit that a visual representation of the
Forces in the Universe (as we know it) can be quite instructive as to the operations
and machinations of the society of humans.  That in itself is knowledge.  But the
same can be said of the I Ching.  I really marvel at the depth and breadth of the
wisdom of the way things work in that system. 
Kyle Griffith has nothing good to say about Crowley.  You can read his thoughts on
that from his website.  I noticed in one of Crowley's books there was a warning
to anyone who tried to conjure him up from the dead:  "...you will only get the
Demon Crowley."
I lost my bookmark to the Kyle Griffith site but you can find it at the beginning
of the WIH thread.
Anyway, lala, glad you've come out of your infatuation with the Thoth Tarot with
your sanity.  And much wiser, I'm sure!
Regards,
TP

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well.  finally back on and maybe will get on a roll.  been stewing on THIS for days and days.  the christ consciousness is behind the changes as we evolve into a clearer picture of that and we would do well to remember who he really was/is.  a rebel, a rebel force that wanted to inspire change on this planet.  he talked in codes, allegories, hidden meaning terms all the time.  he had to, as he advocated change.  was considered to be an enemy of the state.  he was a wanted man, an outlaw.  he really pissed off TPTB.  AS A MAN.  even though there is evidence that there are at least 16 "saviors" that can be looked at to be similar to him, or of that same savior genre, he embodies the most rebellious anti-status quo LOVE OF SELF and FELLOW MAN thinking, comparatively.  for that, therein lies the road/path/way/light of the world--STO way of being.  he advocated self-generated love and "powers" that he said were IN-BORN in man.  he knew.  he came at a time when saying that was very dangerous.  he had many powers/psi skills, and told ppl they had them too.  the historic times then tho, as we all know, were anything but conducive for that.  but, he KNEW what was coming, from 2000+ years ago.  he knew there was a divine plan.  he knew this planet was ruled by evil, by cruel inhuman forces.  he saw the church, rome, the empire state.  he UNDERSTOOD human nature.  he knows/knew MAN well.  he is/was very aware of the shadow self; how man can become inhumanly unaware. he saw how 'forces'--even simple 'man vs man' unaware states of cruelty, barbarism, murder, rape, starvation, slavery, usery, money and lies corrupted man/men.  and kept individual and groups of ppl downtrodden, in servitude.

one can call it whatever one may--or 'love' the hell out of 'it' or even try to ignore 'it' but know, its here, its big, its real, its been here awhile, it doesnt want to leave.  it is filled with half-truths, semantic trickery, morasses of covert and overt subjugation, domination.  its antihuman in the feeling sense.  it is dark, bloodthirsty, and weve all played roles in it/of it, all around it.  and when i think of him and the times he came in, i see him as A BEING.  a huMAN being who had reached a fantastic state of understanding and awareness, was partially sent in that way.  just like us (partially sent in/agreed to come in that way...).   he was an EVOLVED being and he came then to inject in here, a ray of possibility, and nothing has ever been the same since.  there was a ray of love of fellow man and self, of ways to better the self, and the life of men/man from his arrival here.  he shook 'things' up.  there is proof, altho beit hard pressed to find, secret writings, ways and means for attaining PSI, tons of rituals, ceremonies, actual types of invocations, teachings which would assist man as to exactly how they could do what he did, be like him, reach states of advancement, quick.  of course, these are gone, or hidden, but they did exist.  he advocated tons of self-work, living from heart, living from a different way of thinking that was evident then, a complete 360 from what was going on in that day.  we can consider it A START.  other enlightened beings had been here before, and some have come after, advocating the same, trying to get ppl to remember.

now, we, ourselves are going to become that--EVOLVED beings.  every lifetime here (and other places) has lead us to that.  thats the warrior energy i speak of.  i LOVE and ADORE.  humans were meant to see all sides, see from every angle, that there is a better world that is possible.  thats his legacy.  and we can all achieve the way there, by BEING open to advancement.  open to flexible thinking that makes us aware, aware that change comes from within, and then flows to others, vibrates energetically thru the ethers, that will eventually lift this planet and the surrounding etheric UP and OUT.  out of traps, out of submission as a species.  to a new world where the fight is not the same 'fight'--no need for that kind of 'living' anymore.  where there is an opportunity to advance to other ways and means of living, evolving, becoming.  i dont know how to say it, really, but i know its possible and its coming.  thats why i know/feel that its just a hop, skip, jump to how it also cleans up the levels above and below us, that all the astral planes around and below--easier to say--AROUND us, become affected by it, what WE do and become affects everything in this "arena."   thats the consciousness that is upon us.  its only 'natural' that humans would evolve like this.  it is planned, it is the mission, it is the path we take, the way of knowing and understanding, that leads us there.  all the lives we lived/live, help us GROW--EVOLVE.  its all taken into consideration, and advanced.  its a collection towards an end-product, that even keeps on evolving.  thats the energy and purpose of the soul.  the soul that is the container, if u will, of all that it has been, and will be.  nothing is lost, nothing is forgotten, all is applied, used, collected, merged, gained, built upon.

JC knew what was coming, he foresaw, that was his job--to make us see possibilities, to achieve.  he injected in that ever-ready rebel light that cannot be satisfied with lesser states.  it is designed to be--go higher.  psi skills are only part OF that.  we all got em.  humans have them naturally and whats coming is that they get stronger, more so everyday, as they are part and parcel of the 'meta-reality' around us that is changing.  simply--because its time.  its all been going there anyway--all along.  its necessary and on schedule.  its time for a transition--BEEN FRICKIN TIME-- for those like me/us that find our patience wearing thin, like ok--alright--come on already, get this baby shakin.  let us/me do our job, lets GO.  and all that/this--even thinking and believing that and BEING in the now, with those thots, that intent, that will, from that integrity--to evoke change=a better world for self and others that come after and will ever exist, is preparation.  grows and helps to evolve.  those feelings right there, are signals, communication with spirit, doing business with spirit, listening to and from within.  sensing, feeling, remembering--all the collection of selves, skills, merge and produce an evolved being that is reconciled, continues to reconcile its now, with its/the past and future.  i dont thinks its even unusual, but is understood to be this way, as a natural occurrence on some worlds.  simply--how things work.  and what we do here, where its been long overdue (IMO), affects other realms, other worlds, other parts of other galaxies.  where elves dont have to hide anymore, where dragons can walk free, where blowing off the legs of babies isnt necessary, or allowed there, for thats not advanced, not needed anymore.  in an evolved world, those kinds of things are not in existence, for the ppl / beings living and growing there no longer require that level of existence to bring them towards advancement...it is outgrown, and there are other ways and means of living there that will present difft challenges, difft problems that will necessitate changes.  all is the way it works, all continues to EVOLVE per such the divine plans.  in my opinion, we eventually become even THOSE planners as we grow, change, live thru ALL THIS.  im beginning to think that our mere PRESENCE is one of our greatest psi skills, period.  vibrating so bright and high, out of sheer will, intent, and integrity; will do most of the "job."

Meta-Reality is a transitional environment, which serves as a design template, enabling humanity to accomplish what has never been done before---at least while we still remained in physical form.  It's our mental and emotional "etch-a-sketch."  In olden days, Meta-Reality was called "The Betwixt and the Between".......a place which serves as a buffer between waking and sleeping.  For us, Meta-Reality is another name for the Multiverse---made accessible within a valid, physical existence.  We close our eyes, and log on.  It is a "Holodeck," if you will, upon which we can rehearse our lines for the next production, while we are still within this one.  A "Meta" Experience can be as dense as a Lucid Dream, or as gentle as a whim, or flight of fancy.  It's all real, and it's all there.  All we have to do is believe, in order to access the benefits of this powerful connection to All That is.  As Jesus said:  "Blessed are they who have not seen, and yet believe."

"Through the intricate design of your subconscious mind, there has been gathered together finely tuned instruments of data retention---all of them monitoring and storing information that overlaps both the Physical Universe and the Multiverse.  The filing system is pristine, with multitudinous "passwords" and "cues" that serve as activation keys for accessing the files.  This Hall of Records includes a catalog of experiences, knowledge, and even abilities which you, no doubt, have forgotten that you possess."

"There will be a last-gasp, literal battle between the Dark Forces and the Forces of Light that will usher in a new State of Being.  It will not be fought on the Physical Plane, however.  Many significant wars are being fought and will be fought in the Physical.  But the final battle to end all battles will be fought ON THE PLANES OF THE IMAGINATION--at the Gateway which leads into the Multiverse."

"Many, who do not elect to "wake up" to Spiritual Knowingness at that time will not even be aware of the fight until it is over.  You have created us to tell you these things now because, when that battle is consummated--your life and existence will become extremely significant in a crucial and meaningful way."

"In the meantime, be comforted and exhilarated.  There are many exciting times in store.  Just as Jesus of Nazareth both came and went during His Christ Incarnation with many being ignorant of the far-reaching scope of His Mission (because they were expecting something else)--so it will be that, in the last days of this Physical Limitation Focus, many will be looking to the sky for Angelic combat only to have Armageddon raging inside them unnoticed. But YOU will know.  And, in your own personal universe, you are the only one who counts."

and where i got this??? but found it today in old files, flows in here too.  from this link--u can download.  its good.  http://www.thenewcall.org/download/sdp.rtf

Past and Future
I tell you that the children of yesteryear are walking in the funeral of the era which they created for themselves. They are pulling a rotting rope that may break soon and cause them to drop into a forgotten abyss. I say that they are living in homes with weak foundations. As the storm blows - and it is about to blow - their homes will fall upon their heads and thus become their tombs. I say that all their thoughts, their sayings, their quarrels, their compositions, their books and all their works are nothing but chains dragging them because they are too weak to pull the load.

But the children of tomorrow are the ones called by life, and they follow it with steady steps and heads high. They are the dawn of the new frontiers; no smoke will veil their eyes and no jingle of chains will drown out their voices. They are few in number but the difference is as between a grain of wheat and a stack of hay. No one knows them but they know each other. They are like the summits, which can see and hear each other - not like caves, which cannot hear or see. They are the seed dropped by the hand of God in the field, breaking through its pod and waving its sapling leaves before the face of the sun. It shall grow into a mighty tree; its roots in the heart of the Earth and its branches high in the sky.  Kahlil Ghibran

The truth revealed herein contains catalytic seeds which, when recognized by those who are able, may serve to rekindle vague soul-memories and so contribute toward spiritual reorientation and awakening. Such awakening is both timely and necessary today, for we have arrived at a most critical juncture in the onward journey of both our planet and mankind. The planetary deadline for the advent of an unprecedented spiritual consciousness on Earth is imminent, and all who would gain access to the Portal leading into the New World are now being called to awaken and to arise in readiness to assist those amongst humanity who will accompany them.

Those Servers who have taken numerous previous incarnations upon Earth have, in past, repeatedly struggled with the burdens, the dangers, the sorrows and the pain of everyday terrestrial living; in being confronted by all its peculiar trials and challenges, they have wrestled and fought for justice upon our planet. Collectively, they have trodden every step of the way of suffering, have undergone every mundane and psychical experience, have surmounted every difficulty, and have endured. These servants of the race have, many times, known the immolation of the personal or lower self; they are the martyrs and saints of yesteryear, and know well, therefore, that complete renouncement of every worldly value, an unconditional repudiation of all non-essentials, which is also the prescription for all truly spiritually-aspiring souls on Earth at this time. There is no adversity, no sacrifice, no bitter personal loss which they have not, in their time, experienced. They have explored all the avenues of knowledge available on Earth, descended into the deepest valleys of life and into the darkest depths of hell. From there they have climbed to the mountain top of spiritual accomplishment and have then proceeded to transcend both space and time, losing all identification with the individual self to become but focussed points of light in the Universal Mind; and herein lies their qualification to serve mankind, for today they are back among us, to help.

and u can read the rest as its pretty cool and will resonate with many.  and they got some mighty psi skills.  and one cannot say that theyre aware of astral realm 'rules' and know all about the densities and not understand or disregard this * The term 'density' denotes a vibrational frequency of consciousness or plane of existence. The occult structure of the lower part of the universe in which we reside - the Cosmic Physical Plane - is most often described using a septenary model, i.e., 7--seven ascending levels from the most dense or most material at the bottom level to the least dense or quickest vibration at the top. Each major level, or plane, can then be divided again into 7 seven sub-levels. However, such clear-cut divisions are for conceptual convenience only, for, in truth, one level cannot really be distinguished from the next since the whole spectrum of vibratory frequencies changes by extremely subtle gradations. The most prevalent level of consciousness amongst the mass of human beings on Earth today - using the septenary model - is that of third-density approaching fourth.

so a strong vibratory cymatic wave EASILY connects to and affects levels in between and be-twixt.  u cant be a student of the esoteric and discard that.  so all the talk of psi skills, which are developed from awareness, and are simply part of being human, and are natural talents of natural humans, will, and DO work, in ALL realms, for they simply ARE=AWARENESS.  stating that they cant work or cannot be applied in ALL realms begs to differ from what we already clearly know.  its how one DEFINES psi skills.  theyre not that exotic.  theyre a characteristic of humans, and theyre used in all realms, they emanate from awareness, as a means of communication -- of knowing.  theyre a means/ways of taking in and letting out info in hyperdimensionality.  and they represent how an evolved being communicates.  theyre developing rapidly and have always been used by many on here.  not even foreign to us, at all.  and are feared by the crats and by TPTB.  thats why they tried to shut JC the hell up.  it didnt work.  it will NEVER work.  theyre part of our evolvement and if we coulda been less tampered with, societally, and historically, long ago, more of us woulda used them alot more strongly, and more often, and shit woulda changed a long ways back.  but, thats ok.  were on board now.

from ETIDORPHA an old book on alchemy from 1898

"Have you not sometimes felt that in yourself there may exist undeveloped senses that await an awakening touch to open to yourself a new world, senses that may be fully developed, but which saturate each other and neutralize themselves; quiescent, closed circles which you can not reach, satisfied circuits slumbering within your body and that defy your efforts to utilize them? In your dreams have you not seen sights that words are inadequate to describe, that your faculties can not retain in waking moments, and which dissolve into intangible nothingness, leaving only a vague, shadowy outline as the mind quickens, or rather when the senses that possess you in sleep relinquish the body to the returning vital functions and spirit? This unconscious conception of other planes, a beyond or betwixt, that is neither mental nor material, neither here nor located elsewhere, belongs to humanity in general, and is made evident from the insatiable desire of men to pry into phenomena latent or recondite that offer no apparent return to humanity. This desire has given men the knowledge they now possess of the sciences; sciences yet in their infancy. Study in this direction is, at present, altogether of the material plane, but in time to come, men will gain control of outlying senses which will enable them to step from the seen into the consideration of matter or force that is now subtle and evasive, which must be accomplished day means of the latent faculties that I have indicated. There will be an unconscious development of new mind-forces in the student of nature as the rudiments of these so-called sciences are elaborated. Step by step, as the ages pass, the faculties of men will, under progressive series of evolutions, imperceptibly pass into higher phases until that which is even now possible with some individuals of the purified esoteric school, but which would seem miraculous if practiced openly at this day, will prove feasible to humanity generally and be found in exact accord with natural laws. The conversational method of men, whereby communion between human beings is carried on by disturbing the air by means of vocal organs so as to produce mechanical pulsations of that medium, is crude in the extreme. Mind craves to meet mind, but can not yet thrust matter aside, and in order to communicate one with another, the impression one mind wishes to convey to another must be first made on the brain matter that accompanies it, which in turn influences the organs of speech, inducing a disturbance of the air by the motions of the vocal organs, which, by undulations that reach to another being, act on his ear, and secondarily on the earthly matter of his brain, and finally by this roundabout course, impress the second being's mind. In this transmission of motions there is great waste of energy and loss of time, but such methods are a necessity of the present slow, much-obstructed method of communication."

"There is, in cultivated man, an innate craving for something more facile, and often a partly developed conception, spectral and vague, appears, and the being feels that there may be for mortals a richer, brighter life, a higher earthly existence that science does not now indicate. Such intimation of a deeper play of faculties is now most vivid with men during the perfect loss of mental self as experienced in dreams, which as yet man in the quick can not grasp, and which fade as he awakens. As mental sciences are developed, investigators will find that the medium known as air is unnecessary as a means of conveying mind conceptions from one person to another; that material sounds and word pulsations are cumbersome; that thought force unexpressed may be used to accomplish more than speech can do, and that physical exertions as exemplified in motion of matter such as I have described will be unnecessary for mental communication. As door after door in these directions shall open before men, mystery after mystery will be disclosed, and vanish as mysteries to reappear as simple facts. Phenomena that are impossible and unrevealed to the scientist of to-day will be familiar to the coming multitude, and at last, as by degrees, clearer knowledge is evolved, the vocal language of men will disappear, and humanity, regardless of nationality, will, in silence and even in darkness, converse eloquently together in mind language. That which is now esoteric will become esoteric. Then mind will meet mind as my mind now impinges on your own, and, in reply to your unuttered question regarding my apparently unaccountable powers of perception, I say they are perfectly natural, but while I can read your thoughts, because of the fact that you can not reciprocate in this direction, I must use my voice to impress your mind. You will know more of this, however, at a future day, for it has been ordained that you are to be educated with an object that is now concealed. At present you are interested mainly in the affairs of life as you know them, and can not enter into these purer spheres. We are approaching a time when..."

and hey Seeking the Truth--totally agree with u (and ur a terrific mother!--just by being u).  and on being a warrior in pastlives, not always has been STS, but often found oneself, in dilemmas that required devotion to certain lifestyles so that the tribe/group/individual could live on, having had to fight to protect others that couldnt fight TPTB on their own.  Been a monk alot too, those lives were lonely and shaved the head alot or cut off all the hair alot), thats how this longer service cycle started and kept going and is wrapping up now, i hope, which lead to the taking care of others now, again.  they cant fight on their own, so the taking up of arms, one way or another, evolved into this lifetime.  be it even against microbes, using 'science psi skills' developed and evolved.  now is the greater undertaking wherein the mission becomes clearer, so that ALL skills, from all lifetimes; from warrior/killer to healer, healing reconciles now, and from before, what was done before, so the SELF got healed in that VERY HEALING, all is reconciled, recapitulated for use--for EVOLVEMENT.  and even that is changing, on a larger scale that i understand more of now.  the mission is to lead them to heal themselves, and to devote self to larger group influence, so the everyday presence in those old dirty clinics is no longer necessary, for my own advancement.  approaching OUTGROWTH from that.  all is culminating in the now, to free me from that older less sophisticated cycle.  the more i research and delve into, the more i heal myself, and ready for recon.  reconnaissance.  the more i know myself, even archetypal self/selves, the more comfortable it gets, the more solid it gets, the clearer it gets.  so that the best progress can be made.  trying to learn the lessons, know, and understand.  way less fear.  no matter what happens.   readiness.  learning.

and lala--i feel the same way about cleaning up family 'junk'--oh yeah.  the line stops with me and my sister (altho my brother went his own way..).  that line did some really bad crap way back and showed up so clear in this last set of parents.  we clear up what went before, for REAL.  from a micro to macro scale, and back again.  i get it on the bloodlines--the dark side of some of the innate characteristics that have been bred in to those same bloodlines.  as said, the reconning goes on now.  has gone on.  so when we say were forgiving or clearing the way from the ancestors, were not kidding, and all is interwoven, such responsibilities.  but thats where the integrity comes in.  makes one 'live up' to it.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Zenden wrote:

--the dark side of some of the innate characteristics that have been bred in to those same bloodlines.  as said, the reconning goes on now.  has gone on.  so when we say were forgiving or clearing the way from the ancestors, were not kidding, and all is interwoven, such responsibilities.  but thats where the integrity comes in.  makes on 'live up' to it.

Yes, I realized after last Halloween when I went to a New Age/Neo-pagan or whatever ceremony, that I need to stay away from any type of path that uses "ancestor worship," A famous celtic spirituality teacher said in a workshop once that he was speaking with a native american shaman and she quizzed him: "what is the first thing the ancestors ask for when you first contact them," and he replied (correctly, I guess): "revenge." (but did I see this as a warning at the time, noooo....)
The quoted material in your post in both inspiring and scary, I do feel like "it is here" and basically anything can and will happen and I feel like I need to be ready to let go of everything, but then again, I've felt like that before and everything just keeps going on and on the status quo, so...  I do not feel spiritually safe in any way, the cruelty and addiction and deception seems to be increasing all around me, when I choose dark, lots of interesting and dramatic things happen, go my way, when I choose light, nada, nothing happens, seems boring...
So I agree, there is a karma, usually can be seen in the 12th house, that has to do with clearing ancesteral karma, I feel like I've just started really doing that because, even though I rebelled from my family many years ago, I was still hooked in to the spider-web type field like they talk about on this forum, of a long history of misuse of occultism and so forth. appreciate your post zenden, very good material and uplifting-lala

don't judge a book by its name

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I thought I'd post a few excerpts from, and the link to, this new article (Traversing The Portals) written by Daniel Jacobs, one of my favorite writers/channels on metaphysics/spirituality, etc. Much of what he talks about relates well to this thread. Perhaps some will enjoy it...

The Guides he mentions are "The Reconnections" (link takes you to "who we are" page)

Daniel Jacobs article wrote:

The are many people today who are anxious to begin playing with the "toys" that Spirit keeps sending to us......continual downloads of etheric "software" that registers as being present on our internal "hard drive." And, though the software is there, a good deal of it remains inaccessible. That is because we have not yet reached the energetic "pitch" that is required to open it.

Each "bundle" of software is safety-sealed, so that those who are not yet prepared to deal with the powers it represents cannot access the contents unless they are OPEN enough to do so. When the ego is cloaked in its Veil of Forgetfulness, safe and secure, our hunger for "experience" is vast. We feel that we can "do anything," because we have seen our friends do things, and we want to keep up with them. We forget that each life journey has its own timing, its own "rhythm." If we try to peel away the Veil too soon, in order to gain access to certain "powers," we may find ourselves quite frightened and dysfunctional.

Each of us, every moment of the day, is traversing the Portals. There is a wiser, more-expanded part of us that directs this activity. There are times when our Soul Self will shove over, and allow our ego to get behind the wheel of our etheric vehicle. But that is the exception, not the rule. For the most part, during this time of high energy and transformation, the ego is meant to be a passenger, not the driver. He/She is a WATCHER SELF, and an experiencer of what Spirit has in store. And truthfully, would we want it any other way? Most of us have trouble keeping track of where we are NOW. Do we really think we can handle more power than what naturally flows through us?

[...]

In their transmission called "Your Inner Life," the Recons describe for us several modalities used for accessing "the great beyond." 

Clairvoyance:  Clear Seeing  (signs, symbols, faces, places)

Clairaudience:  Clear Hearing (words of description, voices, music)

Clairsentience:  Clear Feeling (touches by spirit, empathic connections, tonal messages)

Claircognizance:  Clear Knowing.  You don't know HOW you know, you just KNOW. 

[...]

BLESSED ARE THEY WHO HAVE NOT SEEN

In the first "Star Wars" movie (Episode 4, actually).......Obi-wan is trying to teach Luke Skywalker how to use a light sabre.  As the young man dances and winces in his duel with droid, the Old Master says to him:  "Your eyes can deceive you.  Don't trust them."  And even though the modality of "clear seeing" appears at the TOP of the list of "otherworldly access tools," it is probably the most unreliable of the lot.

[...]

Quoting The Reconnections:

"You do not encounter these "bridge concepts" until it is time for you to awaken. The proof that you are ready to begin Traversing the Portals consists entirely of the fact that you are here---that you have received these transmissions, and that you have a desire to begin journeying. You could not have found them if you were not ready. However, you can easily forget this knowledge if that is what you wish. Desire is the first, and most important activation key. Close behind that is a willingness to be changed and expanded.

"Waiting to be Ready" is the name of the Game being played out in your dimension right now. Do not judge the integrity or extent of your travel within the Multiverse by how many "exotic experiences" you can remember. Just because you don't have memory of rising out of your body doesn't mean that you don't Astrally Travel. In fact, those who have the most definitive, tangible "experiences" are usually those who need them in order to believe, or to help others believe. The rest of you have already accepted that you are Astral-nauts, and simply don't need more proof. You always have exactly the amount of experience you need to move forward. No more, no less."

Here's the link: http://www.reconnections.net/traversing_the_portals.htm

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Dear friend "Seeking the truth"
You ask
"Is it necessary to hone pyschic skills for protection in other realms, or is it possible to be protected simply by heightened awareness?"
IMO protection is overrated here and generally isn't that necessary.
However there are individuals who seem to benefit from it in one form or another.
They are the ones (and i have been there) who have already ventured out or dabbled in working with light and were not grounded enough first...it seems to attract it's opposite.?

To me the essential thing is to gain awareness...IT is ALL about AWARENESS
without it you are going nowhere anyway
as others have said; skills come as needed or as a byproduct quite naturally
a lot of what is dangerous is this concentration on "skills" to the exclusion of awareness
Zen ppl call it a side-road
I'm not 100% sure about anything anymore except:
if you believe it, it seems to become true for you

WE are all mostly protecting the ego (reflexively out of ignorance) way too much already
so i would say: if all the energy spent on creating, maintaining and protecting the "separate sense of self"
was regained, we would also regain light speed in this rocket ship of a body-mind
who can track "psychic victims or prey" at light speed?
not even "a self" can go there with awareness that bright

Unless you are having problems with "things" messing with you
It's probably best to go back to seeing it all as a projection of whatever is in the filter
or what your mind-state is

No one who is serious and truly helping people come to awakening
talks about protecting from "entities and of 4d tricksters"
it all seems a bit like ppl want to play secret agent and space warrior
from videos to lucid dreaming it's all kid stuff and amateur entertainment
until there is a true willingness go all the way within (to find who you are or are not)
and not keep checking the screen for saboteurs
we do that to ourselves enough already

So is this what this protection business is really about?

on some level, beginners/intermediates like we see and hear here
don't really trust their own ability to move on to freedom...
inwardly... so we create hobgoblins out of our subconscious
(fears projected and reinforced by other fearful minds,
which there are as many as there are people on the earth basically)
to represent our own unrecognized multiple selves?

There may be no "other" at all... to keep us company
and make a worthy adversary in our game world or self created "matrix"

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

feedbaxlow wrote:

Unless you are having problems with "things" messing with you
It's probably best to go back to seeing it all as a projection of whatever is in the filter
or what your mind-state is

and

No one who is serious and truly helping people come to awakening
talks about protecting from "entities and of 4d tricksters"
it all seems a bit like ppl want to play secret agent and space warrior
from videos to lucid dreaming it's all kid stuff and amateur entertainment

I find these statements to be condescending. I agree that people can overly focus on phenomena, but I have also experienced other-dimensional  beings and have had some very intrusive and scary experiences. It does not help at all for people to say that they are only projections of my own shadow. Possibly ultimately they are, but relatively they are as real as anything else in 3 and 4-D and have to be dealt with. Only someone who has never dealt with these types of situations could be so flippant about it, otherwise you'd understand that it may seem foolish to you, but to others it is as serious as anything else encountered in the etheric or astral planes.-lala

don't judge a book by its name

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

I think it's a worthwhile thing to make the distinction you have, lala, about what exists relatively and ultimately. It may well be the crux of the trouble people have in attaining whatever highest goals they intend on their spiritual awakening path.

I also encountered a number of "scary other dimensional beings" on my path, as well as what appeared to be aliens a la descriptions other people have put forth. What I mean to say is that I encountered the beings long before I'd ever heard or read the descriptions most of us are now aware of regarding alien races. So how could I manufacture this from a shadow aspect so precisely?

And this is where, imo, the collective unconscious comes into play, it seems to me. Bless Jung for his explorations and insights! And while the collective unconscious is also "mere perceptions" in the long run, it had a powerful impact on my own perception of reality for quite some time before I reckoned with the experiential input in a way that feels and works more truly for me.

Like children's stories and myths of old, we can be influenced by the collective unconscious in vulnerable times to perceive "entities of illusion" as if they are real, revealing an almost genetic disposition toward believing in these things, perhaps programmed... and they will appear and/or feel to be quite real for us for as long as is necessary for us. And again, for that duration on our path of enlightenment, they are as real as our bodies, our daily routines, our neighbors, etc.

And even once we come to new understandings about these disturbing experiences, the entities in question as well as the levels of consciousness wherein they dwell, continue to exist as part of the whole. So there becomes yet another layer of integration required after the first, to incorporate the idea that though those entities or experiences aren't "real" in the truest sense, they are as real as anyone needs them to be, for as long as anyone needs them to be. Even if those someones aren't oneself anymore. And respecting that others are still encountering these consciousness dimensions becomes paramount in a comprehensive compassionate view.

Reconciling other dimensional experiences into some true grander picture is a huge part of the path. And difficult with purpose, no doubt.
~Sowelu

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Here's another excellent article that relates to the topics discussed in thread. Worth a read, imo.

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Thank you, lala and Sowelu, for your responses to feedbaxlow's post. I'm sorry it takes me so long to respond; my posting time is limited and sporadic. neutral


Hi feedbaxlow. You have some very interesting points. I have very personal reasons for why I started this post. I have not told my whole story here, because it's very long and most people probably don't want to hear it. So my questions to the forum come from many hours of thinking and wondering what has been happening to me.

I must say that lala is right: you do sound a little condescending in your post. Not everything is as easy to everyone else as it is to you, apparently. I find it useful to communicate with others of like mind to try and figure out this new reality I've stumbled upon, and this is the only place I've found for this purpose.


feedbaxlow wrote:

So is this what this protection business is really about?

and

Unless you are having problems with "things" messing with you
It's probably best to go back to seeing it all as a projection of whatever is in the filter
or what your mind-state is

Okay, well earlier in your post, you've answered this question for me:

They are the ones (and i have been there) who have already ventured out or dabbled in working with light and were not grounded enough first...it seems to attract it's opposite.?

This is pretty much what happened to me, although I've just figured this out in the past several months. Your above statement, however, runs counter to this one:


on some level, beginners/intermediates like we see and hear here
don't really trust their own ability to move on to freedom...
inwardly... so we create hobgoblins out of our subconscious
(fears projected and reinforced by other fearful minds,
which there are as many as there are people on the earth basically)
to represent our own unrecognized multiple selves?

There may be no "other" at all... to keep us company
and make a worthy adversary in our game world or self created "matrix"

IMO, this is absolutely ridiculous.  If you've ever ventured into the "other" realm, you'd know that there are plenty of beings who would love nothing more than to hitch a ride on your coat tail and have a little fun with the peeps. And there's no need to "create" them yourself; they're already there and waiting...

I will make this an extremely abbreviated synopsis of why I asked my original question.

Almost a year ago I knew anything about entities, aliens, OPs, whatever. I just started the waking process about 2 years ago, which entailed nothing more than learning how f*cked up the system is with the food supply, medical industry, political crap, and so on.  At this same time I was very ill. I had given up on doctors and became my own.

About one year ago, a lady at the health food store shared with me how she tests supplements using muscle testing. This woman was quite different. She had a death experience and was in a coma for weeks. After she came out and found out her kids had died in the accident, she became totally different. She's all love and light, ignores the negative, yada yada. Well at the time I just thought she was an overly nice person. Now I suspect she's an OP, if there is such a thing; for as nice as she was, I felt a little uncomfortable with her. I no longer have contact with her, needless to say. At that point in my life, I was very vulnerable and naive.

So anyways, for 8 months I did this muscle testing. I had never heard of it before. I used the testing for my supplements only at the beginning.  But the answers were contradicting. I would ask if something was beneficial to me, and get an answer. But at times, the answer would be messed up. That's when I discovered that the reason for the strange answers was because not all the supplements in the bottles were actually what the bottle said they were. So here I am, finding out that half the manufacturers were passing shit off as good supplements.

Okay, this is where it gets weird. This ties into Tim's post about muscle testing, which I hope to respond to soon. Thinking that this method of communication was with my 'higher self' or subconscious, I started asking questions that pertained to my family's safety in the coming years, and the truthfulness of what I was reading or hearing. This is the point where I should have stopped, but again--I thought it was myself that was giving me the answers.

I went through months of asking questions about religion, the truthfulness of the bible, etc. I found myself leaping through my awakening. I was on full-throttle enlightening mode. I found out stuff that would make a normal person kill themselves. And again, during this time, my health was very bad--like on the brink of death bad.  I never grew up in a religious setting. My whole (religious) education happened during this time, and it was quite shocking.

Well, guess what?? Apparently, I was not muscle testing--I was channeling....I don't know who I was talking to. It could have been several at once for all I know (or perhaps just one and the others were there as observers?)  What I do know is that by October last year I was ready to croak. I had been thru so much that I felt like I was insane....literally. That's the last time I had a seizure/faint spell which led me to the next leg of my journey. I ended up going to AZ to see some guru who was trained in shamanistic ways. He informed me that I had more attachments to me than anyone else he had seen thus far. Nine piggybackers, 15 demon entities, and 16 drainer entities.

So to answer your question, feedbaxlow: yes I really do have a need to know about this stuff on a personal level.

As far as I know, I am cleared off all entity attachments. My awareness level has shot through the roof, and I believe that that has been instumental in allowing me to close the doors, so to speak. I no longer muscle test. Haven't since October.

The only other reason why I asked the question was because of all that I have read and learned about stuff that goes on in the spirit realm/afterlife place. You see, for a long time I thought that death was right outside my door. So naturally, I wanted to know how to protect myself if I died anytime soon. Now that my health has gotten better, it's just a matter of curiosity on my part, and wanting to raise my son to be aware. I want to teach him all the stuff that I had to learn the hard way. I'm sure he'll have to come into his own awareness in his own time, but I'd like to help him--seeings how I am his mom.

Well, sorry this was so long, but hopefully it answered your questions about why someone (at least this one) would possibly want to know about 'protection'. I'm sure everyone else would have a different reason.

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Well said, Seeking.

My thanks to you for sharing the anecdote and for initating this discussion.

Bravo.

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

hi ,
For muscle testing to work, you must be grounded unto The Earth.  Our physical bodies are made up of Earth Matter.

(Due to my circumstances, I get one hour of free internet time, therefore can't write more!)
BeWell, Goodlife,
chow for now, -M

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Dear Seeking,
Thanks for going in depth about your life and experiences. It is extremely helpful to understand where you are coming from and the seriousness of your questioning.
It' interesting how each experiencer requires a slightly different approach, language and perspective to address where the problems are. I didn't realize you were talking from  actual experience and are a serious person who is willing to find out things for yourself. Fascinating story and I appreciate the challenges you've met!
I still don't know for sure if the "attachments" and demons is just "the story" way to understand phenom and talk about it easily, but my experience has been that there is something like these energy feeders going on, even if they are our own creations, i am perhaps presenting different perspectives to see if they are a part of what we are seeing/doing as well.
I did not mean to be flippant but perhaps i was a bit provocative.
I agree that i sounded condescending.. probably because i have, in the past encountered so much spiritual tourism here, i might have been projecting my expectations on you!
I do find a generally more mature perspective here this time around.
interesting.

I especially appreciate Sowelu's compassionate, very considered and reasonable tone.

Even though i have had personal experience with pretty much all the phenom you describe, i find other more direct ways of working with these things now. perhaps i have put the really confusing dirty work and suffering behind me.
If address things from that point of veiw, "entities" are taken seriously or given power. But disbelievingthey have any separate existence may be part of my ability to concentrate on inner work and self questioning that clears them of as by product of producing clarity itself. To each his own. Each being is unique in the way we respond to various frequencies ideas and perspectives.
maybe they are not mutually exclusive understandings even though they are not on the same level.

I have personally met one of my demons as he was leaving me and said "goodbye". He was black, ugly and completely armored/insectoid... so ugly he was hard to look at...no matter which way i turned he was in front of me in lucid-land (the 5th?) so i realized he "was me" and embraced him and he evaporated saying a personal goodbye.
He could not survive in me because i was in 7 day silent meditation retreat and had reached a "samadhi" place of inner silence, and thoughts had stopped or slowed to an extraordinary extent. I guess they flourish in the noisy, weak mind and i had made myself vulnerable at several points and in certain associations.
Sometimes i still do have to respectfully command attachments to leave and do extremely hot saunas alternating with cold showers....finally, i have been able to stop smoking and that seems to be connected somehow. The hunger or weakness where they entered or hid.
so it is a continual process of awareness and stepping around trouble-spots instead of inviting it to mess with us again.
*Lala*
I appreciate everyone's input and i see what you are saying lala
that if it is happening on some extent it cannot be ignored and must be faced and dealt with however we can.
A place like this can help for specific problems that are not addressed much elsewhere
I did not intend to make serious people feel it's foolishness but there are a variety of perspectives available and to interpret from a dualistic us and them perspective may be misleading. 
Just want to add that this is just the beginning. If you have attracted these it probably means there is enough energy to actually "do something" with same. = true awareness, which is beyond dualism good, bad, right, wrong, and judgement itself, is beyond phenomena, has no opposite and no equal in providing clarity, stability and wisdom that we can revitalize and energize and reveal ultimate being itself.
sounds grand but it is always here, when we are willing to be with "what is", inquiring simply.
Peace, Jay