Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Thanks guys... you know it occurs to me that I should qualify the statement druid quoted...

All psi skills stopped but one. The one that developed when all others stopped is what I call clairsentience, though it may have another, more accurate label, I honestly don't know. The word "Gnosis" comes to mind as I write this, so perhaps that's what I mean. It's the awakening to understanding from inside, not through seeing or visualizing, obe or astral travel or remote viewing, or using any mental faculty... but from becoming the knowing, as best as I can explain it. Putting on a question, basically, and becoming the knower of it and its answer entirely, intimately, from within, with no outer stimuli required. As a means of increasing awareness, it's a doozey.

~Sowelu

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

17 (edited by Pellucidar 2007-03-06 00:24:26)

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Ditto Sowelu. All of my psi skills dissappeared except for clairsentience as well.

Though at the moment I'm going through hell and back clearing out everything that has been done to me during my current lifetime by tptb.

Do some googling on lower/higher psychism and some interesting info comes up.

eg. http://www.iamuniversity.ch/article976,976


On Lower Psychism and Psychic Abilities

The psychic realm is not a Spiritual realm. It is a subconscious realm. The subconscious mind has certain abilities that can be tapped into, and psychic abilities are one of them. The glamour of psychic abilities sidetracks many on the Spiritual Path. Many psychics do not even believe in GOD! In this day and age, psychic abilities are often used for black magic, spells, omens, and negative forms of witchcraft or psychism. Psychic abilities are abilities that range far beyond the five Physical senses of taste, touch, hearing, seeing, and smell which allow for a wider range of perception that can transcend space, time, and dimension! Often those who have psychic gifts are very run by the subconscious mind because of their use of its gifts. This becomes a great blessing and great curse simultaneously. Very often to release themselves from this chronic victimization of the subconscious mind and Astral Body they actually have to let go of these abilities to learn to Spiritualize their whole program. Most Lightworkers don’t realize that such Spiritual senses as Spiritual discernment, comprehension, healing, divine vision, intuition, idealism, beatitude, active service, realization, perfection, and all knowledge are much more advanced. Lower psychism is an Astral Level ability. To stay stuck there as a psychic rather than become a Spiritual teacher, is to stay stuck in the Astral Plane, which, in truth, doesn’t even exist for a realized Ascended Master. Lightworkers should be much more concerned with developing the senses of the Higher Mind, the buddhic senses, atmic senses, monadic senses and logoic senses, than being enamored with the idea of being Astrally psychic. A person who is psychically developed and Psychologically and Spiritually unclear is going to have completely inaccurate and contaminated information anyway. Psychics often are under great psychic attack from Astral entities and from negative Extraterrestrials and they can’t figure out why. They don’t realize they are stuck in lower psychism, and don’t understand what true mastery of the subconscious mind, Emotional Body, and Desire Body really is. Because the negative ego is in control, it clogs and contaminates the channel and attracts Astral and Mental Entities at best, to be one’s inner guides. Often times these entities claim to be of the higher dimensions and ascended nature, when they are as confused or negatively manipulative as the people who are attracting them. People can only channel at the level of their clarity. In some cases there is an actual conscious pact made with the Dark Brotherhood. This is more common than people realize! Ponder on this!

18 (edited by Blue 2007-03-06 03:26:55)

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

It also appears to me that the first thing you need to do is set up a 'firewall' to protect yourself whilst surfing the astral plane. For me, the "Power of Now", living in the present moment, fully awake and aware, not giving in to the mind trying to drug you with past and future events, is the closest thing to a firewall I have seen so far. We are the Firewall.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind learning Cyrokinesis, when I am ready, I don't like it hot. You could call me the Iceman. big_smile

Another link for reading (with discernment).  http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers … 0Code.html

Zenden, could you please post a link to that 'third energy' quote, I like the sound of that, makes sense.

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

from zenden's post:

Spiritual alchemy is the art of transforming dark energy into “the third energy,” the spiritual gold present in the Christed energy.  True spiritual alchemy introduces a ‘third energy’, a type of consciousness which embraces both polarities through the energies of awareness and understanding. The true purpose of your journey is not to have Light conquer Dark, but to go beyond these opposites and to create a new type of consciousness, which can maintain unity in the presence of both light and dark.  Creation has changed because of your journey.  The end of your journey will be that you have become larger than good and evil, light and dark. You will have created a third energy, the Christ energy, which embraces and transcends both. You will have expanded creation. You will be the New Creation. The Christ consciousness did not exist before the “human experience”. The Christ consciousness is the consciousness of one who has gone through the multilayered experience of duality, has come to terms with it, and emerges ‘on the other side’. He will be the inhabitant of the New Earth. This one will have let go of duality. He will have recognized and embraced his own divinity. He will have become one with his divine Self. But his divine Self will be different than before. It will be deeper and richer than the consciousness from which it was born. Or one could say: God will have enriched Him/Herself by having gone through the experience of duality, through YOU.

Yes! I love this quote, zenden! I bolded the most relevant part to me. This belongs in the WIH post as well. It goes along the lines of what I've been thinking. I need to get over there and post to that thread. But the thing it points out and what I've been striving for is the balance. The transcendence. Going past this duality to the apex. I think we've lived all these different lifetimes and had all these experiences so that we can transcend. Think about it, you have been many different 'people' in your many incarnations. Some (or most in your case) have been warrior types, possibly STS. And now look at you. In this lifetime, and others I'm sure, you're very STO. You won't even get out of your work situation, which I sense is miserable for you, because you feel very much that it's what you're supposed to be doing--which is helping others only. So we reincarnate to experience duality, the points on the bottom of the trinity. We do this so the source can experience this, as we are just extensions of It. Then after we've lived totally different lives, we grow enough to transcend and become both and neither. The apex point. STA. Back to the source.

That brings me back to the point about PSI.  In my original post, one question was this:

...Is learning these skills a way that keeps us trapped in the dual realm? Or is it a way out? Or both?

To which,

Pellucidar quoted:

...Lower psychism is an Astral Level ability. To stay stuck there as a psychic rather than become a Spiritual teacher, is to stay stuck in the Astral Plane, which, in truth, doesn’t even exist for a realized Ascended Master. Lightworkers should be much more concerned with developing the senses of the Higher Mind, the buddhic senses, atmic senses, monadic senses and logoic senses, than being enamored with the idea of being Astrally psychic. A person who is psychically developed and Psychologically and Spiritually unclear is going to have completely inaccurate and contaminated information anyway. Psychics often are under great psychic attack from Astral entities and from negative Extraterrestrials and they can’t figure out why. They don’t realize they are stuck in lower psychism, and don’t understand what true mastery of the subconscious mind, Emotional Body, and Desire Body really is....

Which to me means that, yes indeed it keeps us trapped in the same realm we're trying to escape.

So now this makes a lot of sense:

Sowelu wrote:
My own psi skill development stopped when I began my earnest awareness growth process. I clearly sensed a truth that it is a choice: illusion or truth? Seek truth first, psi skills will naturally follow later. OR... seek psi skills first, without comprehending truth, and suffer the consequences of your illusions/delusions... in a whole new arena!

and

All psi skills stopped but one. The one that developed when all others stopped is what I call clairsentience, though it may have another, more accurate label, I honestly don't know. The word "Gnosis" comes to mind as I write this, so perhaps that's what I mean. It's the awakening to understanding from inside, not through seeing or visualizing, obe or astral travel or remote viewing, or using any mental faculty... but from becoming the knowing, as best as I can explain it. Putting on a question, basically, and becoming the knower of it and its answer entirely, intimately, from within, with no outer stimuli required. As a means of increasing awareness, it's a doozey.

This is the awareness that I seek and have experienced. Actually, I have experienced other things as described in zenden's post. Not really strong to the point of being a psychic, but rather subtle instead.  I think this clairsentience is the one psi skill that will carry us through; a knowing...

But will this be enough if we happen to get into a situation, whether it be death or some interdimensional event, that forces us to walk through those dual dimensions on our way to the other side (transcendence)? Will the knowing be enough to guide us and help us recognize friend from foe? I guess it should. But damn, those bad guys can be really demented in their efforts to bring you down....I must not be very self-realized yet. sad  Or is it that when we become fully aware and self-realized, that when we die or something happens, we'll automatically go past those planes and beyond to the point? I know, I know...nobody here knows for sure cause we're all still on this level. I don't know who I'm expecting to have the answer to that...

Hey Transcix--I guess you've probably figured out by now that RVing = remote viewing. wink

20 (edited by Transcix 2007-03-06 17:36:51)

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

zenden wrote:

thats just it druid, its not gonna work as a blind man.  and im not necessarily talking about death here.  its gonna  take quite a lot of skills to survive if stuck here on exit, one way or the other.  what if on earth 4D with a bunch of non-humans running around and with a bunch of crazed humans mixed in for good measure, and things arent clear yet as to whats going on.  all the disappearing acts that lyra has spoken of would come in quite handy.  telepathy is already a sure MUSt.  and will be used alot in 4 & 5D.  i sense all these psi skills, and many more are gonna come just naturally anyway, more and more and more sooner than later. 

the prob with the death no psi skill thing idea is that is that its old school.  i dont even think death is gonna be the same with ascension/the shift.  the whole THING here is gonna change.  thats the whole purpose of this evolutionary wave were in.  nothing will be the same and thank frickin god--or stuie's orange cloud.  thank whatever the hell it is that it all changes.  the whole thing is likely to paradigm shift and morph.   what went on and has been going on before must go too.  not going over to the other side where psi skills seem to come from and where they prob originated and are used all the time in astral realms, is what we need.  what everybody has done on death before is old school too.  thats the whole problem.  too mortal, of the mortal plane.  keeps us babbling, in fear, worried, anxious.  just not feeling or being that way is a freakin psi skill IMO.  staying calm on death/crossover is a damn psi skill.   or at least one of em.  why not understand how stuff works on both worlds?  thoth in the emerald tablets recommends all the skills u can muster.  with War In Heaven worries, thats enuf right there to blow a psi skill gasket.  i bet going up against a crat being "blind" is gonna us get us nowhere, nowhere 'safe' real fast.   thats gonna take some real skill and one never knows what may happen or how we may be tested.  with all the talk of dark realms, parasites, demons, etc., a few shape-shifting cloaking telepathic ditties are gonna come in very handy. so im gonna muster a few and i say its not a good idea not to.  the motto is always be prepared and so forth.  sound judgement and reasoning are the foundation.  the idea is to use new skills that will develop, and r developing now. with tremendous human integrity.

and TP--that viking Z guy has encountered a ton of stuff on his travels.  i started reading him in 95 or 96 and he blew my mind.  i can barely follow him.  he seems to be a total expert and must have balls of steel.

i ping ppl all the time.  and then they show up.  yes, the pingee vs the ping'er.  all is often confusing, as to who did what to who first or something like that.  it seems the development of the difft senses is the key, with heightened awareness, and as u said--focus.  just to focus well takes big energy.  in this worldly environment.

What is "Earth 4D/5D"?

I do not believe that death will really change with the shift/ascension. It's true that most people to date, even most "experienced" spiritualists and occultists, approach and experience death in a fairly misguided fashion... but WiH clearly states that there are no "higher realms" beyond the astral... it also states, with which I completely agree, that Theocrats (the bad guys) are considerably more powerful in terms of psy skills than even a highly advanced free spirit (human after death), because the Theocrat steals energy from others whereas the free spirit would not do so. I think it is the wrong approach to prepare to "battle" Theocratic influence in death, as opposed to realizing your invulnerability and working in the astral after death to help other free spirits and humans in a healthy and constructive way (unhindered by theocratic influence to which you are immune).

Pellucidar wrote:

Ditto Sowelu. All of my psi skills dissappeared except for clairsentience as well.

Though at the moment I'm going through hell and back clearing out everything that has been done to me during my current lifetime by tptb.

Do some googling on lower/higher psychism and some interesting info comes up.

eg. http://www.iamuniversity.ch/article976,976


On Lower Psychism and Psychic Abilities

The psychic realm is not a Spiritual realm. It is a subconscious realm. The subconscious mind has certain abilities that can be tapped into, and psychic abilities are one of them. The glamour of psychic abilities sidetracks many on the Spiritual Path. Many psychics do not even believe in GOD! In this day and age, psychic abilities are often used for black magic, spells, omens, and negative forms of witchcraft or psychism. Psychic abilities are abilities that range far beyond the five Physical senses of taste, touch, hearing, seeing, and smell which allow for a wider range of perception that can transcend space, time, and dimension! Often those who have psychic gifts are very run by the subconscious mind because of their use of its gifts. This becomes a great blessing and great curse simultaneously. Very often to release themselves from this chronic victimization of the subconscious mind and Astral Body they actually have to let go of these abilities to learn to Spiritualize their whole program. Most Lightworkers don’t realize that such Spiritual senses as Spiritual discernment, comprehension, healing, divine vision, intuition, idealism, beatitude, active service, realization, perfection, and all knowledge are much more advanced. Lower psychism is an Astral Level ability. To stay stuck there as a psychic rather than become a Spiritual teacher, is to stay stuck in the Astral Plane, which, in truth, doesn’t even exist for a realized Ascended Master. Lightworkers should be much more concerned with developing the senses of the Higher Mind, the buddhic senses, atmic senses, monadic senses and logoic senses, than being enamored with the idea of being Astrally psychic. A person who is psychically developed and Psychologically and Spiritually unclear is going to have completely inaccurate and contaminated information anyway. Psychics often are under great psychic attack from Astral entities and from negative Extraterrestrials and they can’t figure out why. They don’t realize they are stuck in lower psychism, and don’t understand what true mastery of the subconscious mind, Emotional Body, and Desire Body really is. Because the negative ego is in control, it clogs and contaminates the channel and attracts Astral and Mental Entities at best, to be one’s inner guides. Often times these entities claim to be of the higher dimensions and ascended nature, when they are as confused or negatively manipulative as the people who are attracting them. People can only channel at the level of their clarity. In some cases there is an actual conscious pact made with the Dark Brotherhood. This is more common than people realize! Ponder on this!

To me this text seems like a wonderful example of propaganda, mixing solid Truth with harmful lies. It makes good points about people too concerned with their psy abilities needing to spiritualize their entire program... but "Many psychics do not even believe in GOD!" is a patronizing instance of the text taking something quite arguable for granted beyond a doubt... and casts doubt on the text's validity in general. The text also states that higher realms beyond the astral do in fact exist, but worse, the text demonizes the astral as something unhealthy to ground yourself in... WiH would say that people who think that way would go straight into joining a Theocratic Band upon death, thinking they are in heaven or some higher realm beyond the astral.

Seeking the Truth wrote:

Hey Transcix--I guess you've probably figured out by now that RVing = remote viewing. wink

Yup! smile

nothing is sacred, the deconstructing and letting-be of all things, clarity of sight, the realization of no-thing(s), Nothing

21 (edited by Tom Paine 2007-03-06 19:45:53)

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

I personally intend to prepare for both eventualities. 
By honing my psi abilities, sharpening my discernment,
and checking in with who I really am.
I don't believe that WIH is giving us the whole picture,
that there's nothing above or better than the astral.  I think
there's much more, but one has to travel through the astral
before going anywhere else.  And unsuspecting souls can be
easily tricked into making very bad choices.

GO TOWARD THE LIGHT...

Cousteau showed how huge commercial fishing vessels were
literally emptying the ocean with their fishing techniques.  One
segment showed a giant fishing vessel with huge high powered
lights aimed at the water to attract schools of squid.  The
squid were snagged on revolving chains of hooks which were
rotated in and out of the water like bicycle chains.

It occurred to me that there just might  be big astral boats full
of theocrats just trolling the lower planes for the newest
realm crossers.  Good fishing in Iraq these days.  Oh, and there's
supposed to be a good overloaded ferry boat sinking in a storm
in Indonesia.  Death toll in the hundreds for sure.

Imagine entire collectives of these theocrats which become
big organisms which gorge themselves on war.

Stay away from places where lots of people have died.
Trouble is, we keep building our cities right on top of those
places.

22 (edited by lala 2007-03-06 21:58:49)

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Sowelu wrote:

It's the awakening to understanding from inside, not through seeing or visualizing, obe or astral travel or remote viewing, or using any mental faculty... but from becoming the knowing, as best as I can explain it. Putting on a question, basically, and becoming the knower of it and its answer entirely, intimately, from within, with no outer stimuli required. As a means of increasing awareness, it's a doozey

I agree, keeping awareness to the mental plane creates a cycle of disconnection from all the other parts of self. My understanding at this point is that overemphasizing psi in the brain deadens my solar plexus activity and cuts me off from my soul-knowing. It also created a kind of nerve damage in me that shorted out my nervous system to a certain degree that I am now working on.

Pellucidar wrote:

Ditto Sowelu. All of my psi skills dissappeared except for clairsentience as well.

Though at the moment I'm going through hell and back clearing out everything that has been done to me during my current lifetime by tptb.

Unfortunately, my psi skills did not dissappear, and I still find myself keyed into things and people that I do not want to focus my attention on. I am also clearing out attachments to negative people and experiences that I allowed and chose to invade my energy and astral fields. Waking up to what just happened is the first part of an intense period of re-construction and clearing on the soul and spirit levels.

Pellucidar quoted the material:

On Lower Psychism and Psychic Abilities

The psychic realm is not a Spiritual realm. It is a subconscious realm. The subconscious mind has certain abilities that can be tapped into, and psychic abilities are one of them. The glamour of psychic abilities sidetracks many on the Spiritual Path. Many psychics do not even believe in GOD! In this day and age, psychic abilities are often used for black magic, spells, omens, and negative forms of witchcraft or psychism. Psychic abilities are abilities that range far beyond the five Physical senses of taste, touch, hearing, seeing, and smell which allow for a wider range of perception that can transcend space, time, and dimension! Often those who have psychic gifts are very run by the subconscious mind because of their use of its gifts. This becomes a great blessing and great curse simultaneously.

That's ri-yut, we think we are using these skills but they are using us to a certain degree and tying us into a fourth dimensionl world that is lower, not truly spiritual. I am now thinking that it is like an occult morphogenetic field in and of itself that keeps us locked in. The key seems to be going beyond this realm of psychism.

Which is what this points to: zenden sent the material:

The Christ consciousness is the consciousness of one who has gone through the multilayered experience of duality, has come to terms with it, and emerges ‘on the other side’. He will be the inhabitant of the New Earth. This one will have let go of duality. He will have recognized and embraced his own divinity.

Seeking the Truth wrote:

I think we've lived all these different lifetimes and had all these experiences so that we can transcend. Think about it, you have been many different 'people' in your many incarnations. Some (or most in your case) have been warrior types, possibly STS. And now look at you. In this lifetime, and others I'm sure, you're very STO.

Thing is when you really bust up duality, none of those past lives will be you, any longer!
You might remember a past life, but it will no longer have anything to do with the person you are now.

Transix wrote:

Many psychics do not even believe in GOD!" is a patronizing instance of the text taking something quite arguable for granted beyond a doubt... and casts doubt on the text's validity in general. The text also states that higher realms beyond the astral do in fact exist, but worse, the text demonizes the astral as something unhealthy to ground yourself in...

Unfortunately, it has been my personal experience that many psychics do not believe in GOD, they believe in a hodge-podge, a kind of astral fugue state where anything and everything goes. It is impossible to ground yourself in the astral because the astral is free floating emotional charge and psychic energy! Anyone trying to take up residence there from 3-D will find themselves insane!

Tom Paine said:

I think
there's much more, but one has to travel through the astral
before going anywhere else.  And unsuspecting souls can be
easily tricked into making very bad choices.

Tom, I think that this is a fallacy that what people who believe in the theocratic bands and so forth fall into. I do not think that you have to go through the astral, these are what you would call "the near realms" the realms closest to interfacing with 3-D, but the dimensions are not hierarachal I don't think, in other words, you don't have to go "up", more like concentric rings with indefinite boundaries that overlap. So I think that it is possible to shoot to other dimensions without going through the fourth, which is already present in the dimension of time, anyway and is already here. Hyperdimensionally, (as you folks would say), there has to be a place where beings can come from and go to that is not going through the fourth.

and (Tom Paine) :

It occurred to me that there just might  be big astral boats full
of theocrats just trolling the lower planes for the newest
realm crossers.

Interestingly I walked past an art gallery a few days ago, whose front window display was a series of big, giant, glass fish hooks, and I kind of had the same idea, but not literally as a thought. I just shuddered and found it very offensive and yiickk.

and :

Imagine entire collectives of these theocrats which become
big organisms which gorge themselves on war.

allready happening. ancient wars were fought with not just armies, but with the king's magicians and sorcerors and so forth. They know that it rains on battlefields right after a slaughter because of the magnetic quality of blood, that is why they always show movies and TV shows based on history (civil war, etc. ) with people going through a battle field after a big battle in the pouring rain.  Souls of fallen soldiers are a place where many discarnates prey on the etheric and astral fields of the dead and also probably, if you go with the theocratic bands ideas, it is a feast for them.

Intense stuff people, I'm working on the same stuff as others, I am wanting out of the soul meat grinder, too. thanks for all the great information-lala

don't judge a book by its name

23 (edited by Pellucidar 2007-03-07 00:17:39)

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I thought that it might be relevant to include here an excerpt from Monroe's book "Far Journeys", from the chapter "Epilogue: End Game". This is the section where he describes the astral planes around the earth.

Cruising the Rings
The first inner layer or ring was clear and more distinct from my nonphysical
perspective, and all seemed to be completely focused on the
activities of the in-human physical condition. Any attempts to communicate
or divert their attention were met with total unawareness at the least
and, at the most, bewilderment, fear, or outright hostility. All were attempting
to participate in physical life in one way or another with no
success whatsoever. All seemed to have one common characteristic. They
were completely unaware of any existence other than physical. Only
through repeated observation at first hand was it possible to generally sort
out and classify such near-earth humans into some semblance of order.
The Dreamers: This group has a distinctive vibration or radiation that
indicates they are attached to a physical body somewhere in the current
earth time-space. This infers but does not verify that they may be in an
out-of-body state during sleep. They apparently are attempting to continue
the activity they have been performing during their physical waking
hours, or those they desire or fantasize. Some are simply going through the
motions; others are trying to talk with those they know who are physically
awake, or eating, drinking, working, playing, trying to perform sexual acts,
acting out Mitty-like roles in the middle of Manhattan—all without fruition;
all, with few exceptions, without any recognition of similar activities
around them. What might be loosely termed evidence of their origin is
that they suddenly "wink out" or disappear in the middle of an action.
Are they awakening in the physical again, out of sleep? Dream analysts
may be on the right track but with the wrong perspective.
The Locked-Ins: These are very similar to the previous category, and
might be confused with them initially but for several key differences. This
group is composed solely of those who have permanently exited their
current physical body—dead physically but don't know it. Consequently,
they are trying constantly to continue a physical existence to which they
have become habituated. They often remain around physical locations,
such as houses, and physically living persons to whom they have become
attached. Some continue to attempt reentry into their dead physical bodies
and to reactivate them, even into the grave—which may give credence
to the strange radiation effects sometimes perceived in cemeteries. The
anguish these must go through as they witness the cremation of their
physical remains is certainly something to ponder.
As with the Dreamers, this group is totally and compulsively bonded to
time-space materiality. Moreover, they appear to be deep into enveloping
emotionally based fears and drives which they attempt to act out but
never conclude. As a group, they are the major blockage in the flow of the
human learning experience. Until they are reached and assisted or some
glimmer of awareness occurs, they remain in this locked-in state for years,
perhaps centuries. Their numbers increase constantly and will continue to
do so as long as the physical human values that generate the condition
remain unchanged.
The Wild Ones: Much lesser in number than the above but with the
same motivating drives expressed in an entirely different manner. The
reason is a slight shift in awareness. The Wild Ones do not realize they
have lost the use of their physical bodies, and they do not perceive anything
other than physical matter reality. However, they are very much
aware that they are somehow different. They don't understand the whys
or hows of it and have no desire to learn. All they realize is that such
difference releases them from all of the restraints, obligations, and commitments
that were a part of their physical lives. They construe this as
absolute freedom and attempt to express themselves accordingly in the
only way they know of—through replicas of physical activity. Thus their
efforts to participate in physical human life—which they perceive as taking
place all around them—take on many bizarre forms. The previously
reported visit to the human sexual pile is a sample. There are implications
that whenever a human physical consciousness in waking form becomes
"loose" or shaky for whatever reason, it may provide an opportunity for
one of these to "piggyback" just for the experience of it. The frequency of
such incidents is not known, from my present perspective. Hopefully, very
few. They can get mean at times.
There was much to be learned from these inner rings, most of it the
hard way if your perspective is still heavily encased in human time-space
illusions. It is pointless to recount the many attempted contacts with the
inhabitants therein. You can do it yourself without bothering to enter the
OOBE state. Interview and observe a cross section group of humans now
living in any large city. The resulting data will be a restrained version and
much easier to handle. The source of such preoccupation in every case
seems to be extreme distortions of the original survival imprint.
Evidently there are methods by which rescues are achieved individually
and on a relatively large scale—and the process is ongoing. I personally
have been involved in only one or two that I can remember, and I am not
particularly proud of my efforts. I did learn one or two minor items. First,
awareness of the cacophony of discordant, undirected radiation engendered
by human thought—identified as M Band noise (my label). Second,
how to close down my perception to bring it to tolerable levels. The
necessity syndrome again. It's a nice trick to have, even in the physical
waking state.
The next ring outward is fairly straightforward. It is composed of those
who do realize they are no longer in physical human life, but have no
awareness or memory of any other possibility. Often they are stunned by
the loss, and do no more than remain in a motionless, nonperceiving
passive state, as if waiting for something to take place. They are usually
easy to contact, instruct, and lead to a suitable outer ring. The population
here is small, relatively, and remains more or less static due to the assistance
supplied by the outer rings.
Moving outward, the next ring is the largest of all, and contains an
apparently limitless number of sub-rings. However, they all come under a
strong general category: At least, all residents here know they have passed
through physical death. There may be vagueness and differing beliefs as to
what and where they are at this point; hence the often sharply delineated
sub-rings. Within this ring, approximately through the center, there exists
what might be labeled a null point of a different variety yet quite perceivable
from an external perspective. It is generated by the existence of two
symbolized energy fields overlapping and exerting near-equal pressure/
influence without interaction between the two. There are no standing
waves set up by frequencies beating against each other, for the two fields
are not compatible. The analogy of a bar magnet with positive and negative
fields meeting at the center of the bar does not apply. It would be
better to picture a gravity field exerting attraction in one direction and the
action of a sitcom on television in another.
On the inner side of such null point, the dominant force is HTSI, short
for Human Time-Space Illusion, strongest at the innermost sub-rings and
lessening inversely throughout the entire ring until it is quite insignificant
on the outer edge. On the outer side of the ring, the dominant force is
NPR, or Nonphysical Reality, which is as general as one can get if there is
no accurate translation available for the little that is known of it. A mirror
image in field strength, the NPR effect is greatest at the outermost edge,
diminishing slowly to the null point, then exponentially to the inner edge
of the ring.
The pattern of human passage through this particular ring is most fascinating,
again from the external view. It is composed of energy in human
experiential form moving in two directions, both inward and outward. The
inward flow is composed of fresh energy from the NPR area first encountering
the HTSI field, becoming more and more attracted by it through a
series of in-human existences, passing through this particular ring more
rapidly once the null point is crossed. From that point inward, the movement
accelerates to the inner edge of the ring and through it, terminating
usually in the lowest of the inner rings.
The outward flow, after release from or skirting the innermost rings,
commences the haphazard-seeming yet meticulous path through this largest
of rings. For some, the passage is relatively direct, with but a few inhuman
physical existences to provide the impetus. Others—the great majority—
require up to several hundred in-human lifetimes and thousands of
earth year cycles to complete the process. The reasons for this wide discrepancy
are not obvious to me. However, one characteristic of the more
direct route appears to be the careful selection of in-human life experiences,
plus accomplishments in the face of what might be termed statistically
impossible odds. The two routes both emerge at the outer edge of
the ring and lead to the outermost ring.
The single outermost ring is composed solely of those who are preparing
for their final in-human experience—the Last-Timers, or Seniors, whichever
suits your perspective. They have lost their gray appearance and
much of their humanoid form; they are nearly white in radiation with
occasional sparkling patterns around them. They are tightly closed, and do
not respond to any communication attempts except possibly among themselves.
It is difficult to observe their final reentry into human experience.
It is either too rapid or instantaneous. Their exit from the final cycle is
represented by a sparkling glowing light which moves rapidly outward
through the rings, with occasional pauses for some unknown reason. Upon
passing this outermost ring, they suddenly disappear from perception,
leaving no residual image or trace.

In some respects, the entire process resembles crudely the cycle of an
innocent coping with an addictive drug or chemical such as alcohol. The
first taste is scarcely palatable, but the effect is interesting, something new.
When the opportunity arises, the neophyte takes two drinks just to see if
the effect is enhanced—and it is. Uncontrolled, the pattern is all too
familiar, all the way down to skid row. Nothing is more important to the
wino, nothing occupies his thinking other than where the next shot or hit
is coming from. Near-total amnesia is common, and more significantly, a
lack of desire to change. He has forgotten who he is and couldn't care less.
Reclamation and remembering is a slow and sometimes painful charade.
Once achieved, however, the innocent has transformed into a state of
being far different from the original first-taster. Where the analogy does
not match: In the human life experience sequence, the change is permanent.

Their exit from the final cycle is
represented by a sparkling glowing light which moves rapidly outward
through the rings, with occasional pauses for some unknown reason. Upon
passing this outermost ring, they suddenly disappear from perception,
leaving no residual image or trace.

That last bit which I've separated out says to me that eventually you are able to bypass the astral after death and go on to the next level.

Monroe describes it as:

Building Escape Velocity Energy
It will begin to generate automatically as the result of the human learning
experience, more than enough to achieve a tangent to your previous
orbit when you graduate. It is the understanding that the actions suggested
here may help in such production. Then no longer will you reflect
and transform the Prime Energy as in the past, but create it in and of your
own and radiate it in all ways, in all forms—call it loosh/love or whatever
label fits—without need for subject or object.

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Thanks Pellucidar -

I've yet to read

Far Journeys

, except what's been posted on NR, but it sounds right to me, based on my own experiences and research and reading. Some of the other threads have really discussed all these disincarnate beings that still want to live through physical people, also that the etheric body separates slightly from the physical during sleep anyway, so that this is a time when the realms are in relationship, consciously or not. That is why working on awareness is key, rather than propelling your body through strange realms in order to experience things there. Of course, sometimes you don't have a choice, many people have spontaneous OBE, I have, and that's where the info comes in handy-lala

don't judge a book by its name

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Tom Paine wrote:

GO TOWARD THE LIGHT...

Is this not the exactly wrong way to proceed? You always only ever *ARE* the light, so you shine. If you try to go towards the light then you are just affirming division of self and polarizing yourself away from who you truly are... this is the process promoted so much by those in power that would have us never actually synthesis our ego and HigherSelf... it's like it says in the Tibeatan Book of the Dead, that when you die, you must realize that you are dead and realize Nothing, pure unadulterated conscious awareness... the underlying truth here is that you can never truly lose who you are, as long as you observe, as opposed to becoming entangled into the conventional game of duality and losing yourself therein..

lala wrote:

Unfortunately, it has been my personal experience that many psychics do not believe in GOD, they believe in a hodge-podge, a kind of astral fugue state where anything and everything goes. It is impossible to ground yourself in the astral because the astral is free floating emotional charge and psychic energy! Anyone trying to take up residence there from 3-D will find themselves insane!

Hmmmm, I take it that you believe in God, then?...

Pellucidar wrote:

Their exit from the final cycle is
represented by a sparkling glowing light which moves rapidly outward
through the rings, with occasional pauses for some unknown reason. Upon
passing this outermost ring, they suddenly disappear from perception,
leaving no residual image or trace.

That last bit which I've separated out says to me that eventually you are able to bypass the astral after death and go on to the next level.

Monroe describes it as:

Building Escape Velocity Energy
It will begin to generate automatically as the result of the human learning
experience, more than enough to achieve a tangent to your previous
orbit when you graduate. It is the understanding that the actions suggested
here may help in such production. Then no longer will you reflect
and transform the Prime Energy as in the past, but create it in and of your
own and radiate it in all ways, in all forms—call it loosh/love or whatever
label fits—without need for subject or object.

What if this just means they are leaving *Gaea's* astral realm?

nothing is sacred, the deconstructing and letting-be of all things, clarity of sight, the realization of no-thing(s), Nothing

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Transcix--

GO TOWARD THE LIGHT...     NOT!!!

I was stating that in an ironic context.  The rest of my post has to do with what
happened to the squid who went toward the light.  They got SNAGGED, hauled
onboard to be frozen and EATEN.

And lala--I hope you're right about not having to hang around in the astral.
Like driving through a bad neighborhood.  Better to drive on than to stop and
ask for directions and get carjacked! 

And transcix---it's belief in god that can get you hooked into one of those phoney
astral vlllages where the streets are lined with gold and you never get to meet
Jesus because the leading theocrat says you're not ready.  Then you walk around
the village and all streets curve back into the central square where the church is
and everybody is babbling their praises and prayers and the head theocrat chooses
one of the congregation to be the communion...

TP

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Hmmmm, I take it that you believe in God, then?...

well Transcix, I believe that there is a higher creative and overlighting aspect than the fourth dimension and the gods thereof. Not believing in a dvine source is what opens us to Crowley's maxim: "Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law." which is basically a free-for-all with everyone doing what they wilt because no one thinks that there are consequences anymore, especially if they are all studying how to incarnate and excarnate from their etheric bodies at will and bypassing karma. Ahhhh-haaaa, yeah, see what I mean?-lala

don't judge a book by its name

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

I definitely see what you mean... because I do not see any signs of consequences for what I do.. beyond what I make for myself.. so to me it's more a matter of knowledge.. of the full spectrum.. like how the "evil-doer" may think they're happy, but since they have yet to experience true contentment, they literally do not know what they're missing. I take "do what thou wilt as the whole of the law" in a microcosmic sense in that you can never do otherwise... thus leading to the goal of self-realization so that you consciously create your destiny through right/wise action as opposed to passively accepting your fate through ignorant action.

nothing is sacred, the deconstructing and letting-be of all things, clarity of sight, the realization of no-thing(s), Nothing

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

What Crowley meant by "Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law"
is that first you must discover your True Will.  Otherwise you're just doing
what your transient personality self dictates at the moment.  We're talking
about finding out our Primary Spiritual Assignment.

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Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Tom Paine stated:

What Crowley meant by "Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law"
is that first you must discover your True Will.  Otherwise you're just doing
what your transient personality self dictates at the moment.  We're talking
about finding out our Primary Spiritual Assignment.

That is one way he may have interpreted his own work, but which of his many fragmented personalities was speaking? Evil can spout profound truth at times, but that doesn't mean that he was assisting others along the path of Light. You have to look at him by his works. By the end of his life he'd driven many people to suicide and drug addiction, he was a junkie; he opened other dimensional doors that speeded up the current apocalyptic overlay, he manipulated and harmed many people; and he may have even been a Nazi collaborator from what I've read. His Magnum Opus, Thoth tarot is booby-trapped to allow in demonic energies. So by the end of his life he was insane from his own spiritual assignment, which was to usher in the current age of materialistic obsession and spin the world into chaos. He did what he wilt and has encouraged many others to screw up their lives with that motto, because yes, people will follow will, but it may not be true spiritual will and they will pay the consequences. I would not base the evolution of my soul on anything from Crowley or Thelema followers. I have yet to meet people from a Thelema group who were not carrying a lot of dark energies and addictions, the apple does not fall far from the tree as they say-lala

don't judge a book by its name