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Topic: PSI skills -vs- awareness

This is a spin-off from this thread:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 39&p=1

So I understand that RVing is a way to hone psychic skills. As shamanistic ways are, as well.  Is there a difference between the destination of the RVer and the shaman? Aren't they both visiting the dualistic astral realm?

Lately I've read that one should sharpen their psi skills for the day when a) you die, or b) the shit hits the fan. Is it necessary to hone pyschic skills for protection in other realms, or is it possible to be protected simply by heightened awareness?

Personally, when I kick the bucket, I want to get the hell out of this trap. I don't want to take part in it anymore. I want to transcend this duality status. But what if that's not an option? Or what if I have to go thru that realm to get to the transcendant point?

Man, I am so f*cking confused...

If awareness is not enough protection, then how do you hone your psi skills naturally without the aid of brainwashing material? Would the shaman way be the least harmful? I know it's something I can try to do alone.  Is learning these skills a way that keeps us trapped in the dual realm? Or is it a way out? Or both?

I'm sorry. This probably isn't very coherent. If anyone even understands this rant, then I applaud you.  I am at the end of my tether and am having a weird day (life, for that matter). I grow weary of the game...

2 Reply by Sowelu (edited by Sowelu 2007-03-02 13:46:28)

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Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

In my own experience and opinion, psi skills are tools similar to our 5 physical senses. Their focus is simply the "external reflections of the unseen/unknown levels of our consciousness", where our physical senses focus on the "external reflections of our known consciousness".

If you carry fear in your energies, your physical eyes may focus on obstacles, potential theft, dangerous and precarious potentials in your environment, and things of a "negative" nature. Same holds for psi skills, in my experience... but perhaps more so since fear and the "unseen" are practically synonymous at this level of consciousness.

So if you carry fear in your energies, your psi skills will focus on what IS (objective reality) through a filter of your fears (subjective lens). If you channel, you will attract entities offering information that serve your fears. If you are clairvoyant, you will "see" current and future potentials filtered through your fears, etc.

So in my opinion, the development of psi skills is best left alone until you grow your awareness enough that you possess a deep and connected understanding of nature, life and truth... and have faced your fears inwardly (the shamanistic route, essentially).

Many people don't understand how to face fears without an external experience to trigger those fears, however, and even don't consider it possible or feasible or practical or worthwhile in this externally focused world. So developing skills beyond one's ken is quite common, as are the resultant distorted understandings of life and hyperdimensional or multidimensional reality.

So to your question, awareness is enough protection, imo.

My own psi skill development stopped when I began my earnest awareness growth process. I clearly sensed a truth that it is a choice: illusion or truth? Seek truth first, psi skills will naturally follow later. OR... seek psi skills first, without comprehending truth, and suffer the consequences of your illusions/delusions... in a whole new arena!

Hope that helps.
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  • Registered: 2005-12-27

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

I can't speak for the psi skills directly but I will address getting out of this trap.  I have been thinking for a while about a few things that I have read.  One was a suggestion, that the higher dimensional charetakers of the earth reside on the moon, or in it.  Another suggested that souls when they die go to the moon where they are recycled.  Another is the infamous white light seen at death.  Relating all these things together I am wondering if metaphorically these speculated beings that exist in the moon shine a spot light at us when we die from the moon which we of course are drawn too like moths.  They show us a heaven and lead us right into a trap where they then either force or convince us to reincarnate again in human form on the earth.  If they do this for selfish reasons or not I do not know, as the whole idea is purely speculative anyway.  Perhaps learning psi abilities or going to the other side before you die would help you see your way around this trap?

Another thought on the afterlife that I have been piecing together with metaphor for a while is how this physical universe is somewhat like a game compared to infinity.  This universe has rules, and limits while infinite which does exist on the outside of the universe, and is I believe where you  are wanting to go.  So then why would anyone want to go from a place of infinite possibility to rules restrictions, limits, etc???  The analogy I thought of was the a game, soccer specifically.  Why when you give a group of people a ball are they not content to do with it whatever they possibly can?  You can throw a ball, carry a ball run 20 miles with a ball.  Why then do they make rules, boundaries, goals, limits?  Well because with limits all of the sudden there arises a purpose, a goal, a defined way to succeed.  Two beings can be measured against one another when competing under a defined set of limits or rules.   Rules an limits give rise to meaning and purpose.  I believe that we have chosen these set of limits which is what we know as our lives in this reality, for the same reason a group when given a ball chooses to make a defined set of limits, and goals as to what they can do with it. 

Taking this line of thought, it is the desire to succeed, feel, win etc, that causes us to limit ourselves so that within those defined limits we may have a purpose that is more defined then "to exist".  Perhaps this is what is described when Buddhist monks have completely cleared their mind of all limit and attachment to this reality, and are said to vanish.  Maybe they are going back to infinite.   I warning, I don't know if outside this reality if there is a defined purpose for individuals, it may to simply exist.  Those that need structure and goals would not do well there. 

Anyway just another one of those thoughts I find myself daydreaming about at work.

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  • Registered: 2006-09-01

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

I can't speak for the psi skills directly but I will address getting out of this trap.  I have been thinking for a while about a few things that I have read.  One was a suggestion, that the higher dimensional charetakers of the earth reside on the moon, or in it.  Another suggested that souls when they die go to the moon where they are recycled.  Another is the infamous white light seen at death.  Relating all these things together I am wondering if metaphorically these speculated beings that exist in the moon shine a spot light at us when we die from the moon which we of course are drawn too like moths.  They show us a heaven and lead us right into a trap where they then either force or convince us to reincarnate again in human form on the earth.  If they do this for selfish reasons or not I do not know, as the whole idea is purely speculative anyway.  Perhaps learning psi abilities or going to the other side before you die would help you see your way around this trap?

The real trap is worrying about what is going to happen to you when you die, or when you retire, or next year, or next month, or tomorrow, or yesterday, or in your childhood. By striving to be in the present moment and dealing with it as best as you can at the time, instead of worrying about the future, you become aware of what is really happening, and not just conjecture. No one really knows what's going to happen upon death, and all the stories about it are just that stories. All possibilities are happening at once simutaneously. So when people get a glimpse into the beyond, they come back with a story, but they can't come back with everything, because if they were aware of everything simultaneously, there would be mental overload and you wouldn't remember it. The most you can get is far distant possibilities which although they are real, so is everything else, so the most you can get from a glimpse into the beyond is a story. When people start believing in those stories and worrying about them, it's like they also peer through the crack and they're awareness further widens the probability of it happening to them. So worrying if energy vampires on the moon, or reptilian soul harvesters, or the devil are the real danger when you pass on, is completely missing the point.

Neither psi abilities nor intellectual knowledge will protect you if your mind is so entrenched in the habbit of always looking into the future or the past instead of what is happening right now in the present moment. Awareness of the present moment is where it's all happening, and intuition and higher guidance needs a still, calm and aware mind to function. If you have a never ending stream of thoughts running through your mind, you won't be able to feel the energy and presence that's around you all the time. Awareness and acceptance of the present moment is like the PSI of whats really happening, but PSI development by RV and astral projection is just projection into possibilities.

  • Registered: 2006-03-29

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

In a sense, psi and awareness are interconnected.  Increase one and the other increases or so it seems to me  RVing is expanding awareness.  .

I think getting out of the duality requires certain intents.  As creators we first intend for something, then figure out how to do it, and then do it.  So I think intention is important.  If the intention is one based off fear or some other known low-vibrating close-ended emotion, then efforts may be hindered.  But if the fear can be quenched via understanding and internalizing, then the energy produced is a finer grade.  It's more efficient to use.

If both psi and awareness are sought with the intentions of a desire to know the Infinite or some such open-ended far-reaching goal, then you get the high grade energy.  That energy can then be examined and refined even further.  It can be remembered and used in situations that have normally produced a closed-loop emotion.

Ultimately the lessons of 4d (energy realm) are just easier (quicker) to learn when using refined energy.

Those are some cool thoughts Capitan.  The creating purpose thing I like.  Being Infinity is where you create your own purpose.  I always thought about the question "what would an eternal immortal want to experience?".  Death of course.  What would a limitless being wish to experience?  Limitation.  You always want what you ain't got.

I done figured out how I'm going to ascend.  Ha, well maybe.  See I was thinkin' if I can simultaneously add density and the full acceptance of self as containing the potential of every vibration, then I got the philosophy matched with sustained action.  The density is the knowledge and understanding.  Denser thoughts.  Knowing the shades.  Examining all angles.  Objective analysis.  Nothing discarded etc etc.

So yea Seeking, this outward expansion of awareness with RV could be added to say the simultaneous inner silence or a conscious controlled inner push to expand boundries of personal feeling of space.  One could tap into a non-thought spatial awareness while RVing, now that would be something.  Do a double RV.  Try to RV the center of the universe.  Try to RV outside the universe to see if it's really a bunch of bubbles.

Forge your own path out.  Look at all angles.  Add different angles.  Think of different ways to think and then think about you thinking about those different ways of thinking.  These light paths start overlapping and getting brighter.  Increase the density.  And hopefully, you'll get to a point of being too dense for this world.

I don't know.  I'm still here in a body.  And I don't think I would be able to answer this post if I wasn't here.  So I really know I don't really know.

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Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

I agree with what's been said about PSI abilities being tools, just as our 5 senses are.  Awareness is (in part) being able to decipher what's being experienced. 

When we were babies, we had the capability of sight before we had the awareness to understand what we were seeing.  Everything was just shapes, movement and flashing colors with no meaning.  As we grew, we learned what those shapes and colors meant; how to judge distance, how to recognize Mom, Dad, siblings, the sharp corners on the living room furniture, etc. 

From what I've read of RV'ing, it seems we have to go through the same process of deciphering what's being seen all over again.  I think if we practice being aware in the here and now, we'll carry that over other endeavors.  It's like a muscle.  The more you exercise it, the stronger it gets. 

I've noticed a change in my awareness levels lately, and I've tried to determine whether this is a good thing or a negative thing.  Actually, it's more accurate to say I've become more aware of my awareness, if that makes sense.  It has to do with judging potential outcomes of every situation, particularly having to do with safety.  It's more like being mindful about not putting objects in pathways where people could trip, not placing things precariously on shelves where the cats could get hurt, not loading too many electrical appliances on a circuit, etc.  What's strange is that there is no fear involved, so it's not a fear consciousness.  It's more like conscientiousness, where these thoughts are very logical and detached.   Perhaps this just comes with getting older. But I suspect this is a form of mindfulness that's a natural outgrowth of that "being in the here and now" that I'm trying to cultivate.  I know that sounds contradictory, to be in the here and now while seeing potential outcomes displayed before me, but it's what it feels like.

So, putting this in context, I think this same awareness can cross over to a multitude of abilities and dimensions, allowing us to make better use of any tools we develop.  I think the mind-controlled versions of RVing are aimed at taking the awareness out of it.  So a person can describe a room, a door, or a group of people without having any awareness of what they're seeing.  The controllers are the ones who do the interpretations.

  • Registered: 2006-12-02

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Thanks for the input, guys.

When I started this thread yesterday I had a headache, but I did read thru the RV thread beforehand. That's when I noticed my original post was riddled with words such as fear, worry, scared, etc. I realized that this sounded as if I were laden with fear. I am not. I'm not 'scared' of RVing or psychic skills. I think why I wrote it the way I did was because I don't have any other English words for the feelings that I have, which are cautious feelings more than fear feelings. I am being protective. I've been burned a lot, and my guard is up. I therefore come across as a big wimp that wallows in fear. Please be assured that I am not.  Or maybe I am somewhat fearful, and this is just a lame excuse... roll I don't know...

I still have the RV tapes, but like I mentioned in the other post, the guy was giving me the creeps. Just his manner of speaking and all, plus the inserted phrases I heard. It sounded strange and raised a red flag. I then stopped listening. Was that out of irrational fear? Or was it truly one of those times when your innate fear comes through? You know, the one we're supposed to have, like when someone's getting ready to rob you and you sense it instinctually. I hope it is the second choice, because I thought I was doing okay.

I don't necessarily want to read anyone's mind, or participate in the astral realm. I just want to be able to navigate it and recognize the baddies for who they are, when the time comes. I want to know so I can teach my child about this as he's growing up. I am so done with this duality sh*t. I want to go forward, not come back here when I've expired. I guess these are the reasons for wanting to even participate in PSI stuff. Oh, and it'd be really nice to actually be able to see things for face value....ya know...the truth. I somehow doubt that the whole truth is there, but I'm sure there are bits and pieces. Like Jesus, for example. How I would love to know the real truth about who he was and where he came from. I guess I'm too curious for my own good... Maybe I should not worry about that and just work on raising my awareness even more.  As it is, I have to come here to talk to anyone who is even close to my level of awareness, as compared to the awareness of a plate, for example.

I've grown so much since I first started coming here. I owe most of it to you all. I've read and read and pondered and thought and read some more. I have reams of words printed out. I am a curious little beaver, all right. I am truly the epitome of a truth seeker. I am just now learning that information does not equal awareness, necessarily. It helps, but it's not the full lesson. I am trying to find that silent space and go there for help/answers. This is much harder than it sounds. But I am trying, and I hope one day I'll be ready for anything 'life' throws at me!

Oh, and Andy (if you're reading this), thanks for the title of the shaman book you're reading. I have one but it is more like tales from the shamans and med. men  rather than a 'how-to' book. I am hoping yours is more explanatory as to how you go about the process.  Ya know...just in case... wink

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Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Seeking the Truth stated:

I don't necessarily want to read anyone's mind, or participate in the astral realm. I just want to be able to navigate it and recognize the baddies for who they are, when the time comes.

....er... I think that all the stuff that you can navigate through in the astral realm is here now and you can deal with it without jettisoning yourself out of your bod in any sort of jarring way. Just my impression, but I think that that is what the Castenada "seeing" and "stalking" and "dreaming" are all about. It is all here now, and getting more visible in 3-D all the time, and the merging of the realms will amplify that. It is like all of the stuff that they say will come at us after death in various religions and practices and so forth is coming at us now, before we even leave our bodies in a state of confusion. So... all the power that ever was or will be is here now. We just have to awaken to it and realize it consciously and work with it as it arises. Not that I haven't astral travelled though-lala

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Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

If you develope excellent psi skills, you will still need to turn your attention towards self-realization eventually... while contrastically with self-realization does everything else you need tend to arise more or less naturally.. just don't be fooled into thinking that you are more self-realized than you are... that is a tactic they use to actually keep you down, as paradoxically funny as it may be. Powerful psychics who lack a solid spiritual base of being are tools of the conspiracy, their powers not even completely under their own control. Knowledge is power and power is responsibility - realization of the trinity is the key. Psi skills come more into the picture once you have become your own master, once you are fully self-realized... because then when you seek to help others towards self-realization, you will find yourself at war with the conspiracy, and here psi skills are very useful.

A quick self-check could be that if you are ever fearful and you cannot overcome the fear by realizing its solution and transcending it (as opposed to repressing and denying it).. then you are not yet self-realized. It is a matter of impeccability, and too many people go for psi powers too soon, it's true.

This being said, shamanism can be an excellent means of self-realization if you do it well. I don't know what you mean by RVing (unless you mean driving around, in which case I haven't a clue tongue)...

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Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

out of a stupor now, and wanted to say alot on this VERY VALUABLE thread.   may be able to tie in some things i wanted to do 2 weeks ago, in here, with the concept of the new human or the third ? possibility of an old, and a recapitulated self, that emerges as a new or "trined" human.  part of it comes from living from the heart, as opposed to cold logic, which is oftentimes rational, but in-human.  rational seems reptile so often these days.

there has been a purpose for all this duality, for having had lived thru all these lifetimes, for having experienced  a/the culmination point, not an end point, but a point of an end, for a new beginning, that apexes a galactic, planetary, and earthly cycle, its also an apex point personally for many, who came here to see this earth game play out.  its a new consciousness emerging which requires a difft or a NEW set of beingness, apparently one that merges and ABSORBS old ancient ways with new and open-minded non-hive thinking, blended with kristos/christed consciousness, which we feel coming, and has been written about ad infinitum by the greatest seers.  and we know we must live all this in the now.  here.  we cant be waiting for stuff to shift, we do the shifting, all the time, by UNDERSTANDING.  that's what JC was doing all the time, showing that.  i think its the ultimate.  theres so much to it.  its cleaner than a whistle, leaves alot of room for everything else too.  allows a ton of choice, and sovereignity, individuality, has a clean, giving abundant feel to it, its the epitome of humanness and consciousness to me.  theres so much room left for so many real human emotions with it.  and it takes alot to get there, but is real and achieveable, and masterful, and has tons of integrity which i wanna talk about next. its a/from a higher state.  how gorgeous yet simplistically god-like and easy to say "i see that, yes, i see that now, i UNDERSTAND."  all the other stuff is in there, allowing, nonjudgementalism, empathy, it allows and is OPEN.  it improves both parties, all parties.  it is the key to so much.  its unlimiting.  i think its part of recognizing our divinity and seeing the ecstasy of life when as we continue to unfold, awaken, and reach ever more so aware states of being. so we dont have to "do" anything, but reach states of understanding and awareness, which is how i think we "BE."  thats an elevated state to live in, and leads us to the/an almost automatic new consciousness.

and, to using PSI SKILLS as everyday methodologies. an outcome of living in duality, in a base physical world, that has other realms surrounding it.  duality is physical alchemy in all actuality, which has its light and dark sides/angles to it.  so now it seems logical in the next steps of evolution for us as individuals and for the species, we seque naturally into more applicable stages of spiritual alchemy.  Psi skills seem like sophisticated 3D can be easily transferred to 4D talents were really gonna need.  been working on them since childhood, but never really researched them, and it seems more than not, high time.  really gonna need here and "there" in that ongoing war of light and dark, which we have as part of ourselves, and is known as the shadow self or side of our humanness.  lots of energy there, can be harnessed with full acceptance, and used everyday. 

Spiritual alchemy is the art of transforming dark energy into “the third energy,” the spiritual gold present in the Christed energy.  True spiritual alchemy introduces a ‘third energy’, a type of consciousness which embraces both polarities through the energies of awareness and understanding. The true purpose of your journey is not to have Light conquer Dark, but to go beyond these opposites and to create a new type of consciousness, which can maintain unity in the presence of both light and dark.  Creation has changed because of your journey.  The end of your journey will be that you have become larger than good and evil, light and dark. You will have created a third energy, the Christ energy, which embraces and transcends both. You will have expanded creation. You will be the New Creation. The Christ consciousness did not exist before the “human experience”. The Christ consciousness is the consciousness of one who has gone through the multilayered experience of duality, has come to terms with it, and emerges ‘on the other side’. He will be the inhabitant of the New Earth. This one will have let go of duality. He will have recognized and embraced his own divinity. He will have become one with his divine Self. But his divine Self will be different than before. It will be deeper and richer than the consciousness from which it was born. Or one could say: God will have enriched Him/Herself by having gone through the experience of duality, through YOU.

PSI SKILLS  (from thothweb and was edited by me).  this is only a partial list and these are really simple everyday ones, which many can get into alot easier than all the firedoc stuff, RV Viking stuff, and all that way more heavy duty type shielding, cloaking and all that kinda stuff which blows my mind and looks too much like heavy duty magic/sorcery on some days for me, too heavy duty to do on an everyday basis sometimes, as this takes alot of energy in and of itself IMO.  this was a review for me, that i needed, and i hope it helps even in the slightest.  we need these skills and the mastery of them for living.  that other heavy stuff is great but takes more focus, and intent, when the idea of everyday PSI should come naturally, then the build up warrior stuff for more frequent use as it entails, next. 

Empathy and Telepathy
These two skills are nearly the same.  Usually done in the same "feeling" method and are used for understanding and communicating with people and animals.  Used when having to work with emotions. For comforting friends, animals, loved ones, fellow humans.  Senses emotion and reason.  Waves of calming empathy can be sent out.  Even calms wild animals.  Empathy can be used to monitor moods and help reduce stressful environments. You can use empathy to see if someone is being honest with you or to sense pain and the location.  When making friends you can use empathy to find people that are like you.

Telepathy is useful for everything that communicates, helps uncover inside jokes, secrets, and/or those moments of silence "in-between" when u dont quite get whats going on, at the moment.  "Reading" skills can be used in interviews, negotiations, business dealings. In public marketplaces, these skills can be used to denote what peers, customers, co-workers, or even the boss is thinking or feeling.  Helps to back-up reactions by clarifying.  Telepathy can nudge a person into agreeing, or disagreeing with simple decision making.  Calls in pets or loved ones, or senses arrival of same.  Helps with location of ppl and pets.  Can 'ping' people with messages or just to get their attention.  Telepathy is also useful in talking to people who speak a language you do not understand,  reduces language barriers.

Remote Viewing  (everybody's way hip here, but just put this in from the article)
Allows the ultimate in awareness, in a now moment.  On an immediate or limited scale, is literally having eyes in the back, front, sides, below and above.  Not necessary to see something to know where it is.  Can be used to ascertain how fast something is moving.  Can be used as a warning system for spacing while traveling so warnings are sensed when objects, others are too close, etc., or one is too close to something.

Remote Presence and Linking
These two skills are easy enough to use. Remote presence is good for finding people and their location.  Linking, which is part of telepathy, is the mental link to another person’s mind and can be used to grab their attention, pass a thought, emotions or energy.  This is useful for finding things, ppl, animals, or vice versa.

Kinesis
We all wish we could levitate the remote control to our hand and save ourselves the energy of getting up, but most of us have a far ways to go on that one.  Commonly, electrokinesis can be used to change traffic lights or make computers work.  Cryokinesis is for cooling yourself in a hot classroom, house or building. Pryokinesis is something that can be used to heat the body and control the temperature, or even the fire in a fireplace.  You can also use shields to heat or cool yourself.  Use psychokinesis to close doors, slow down cars, and retrieve things lost, etc.

Astral Projection (OBE--also Lucid Dreaming and we have specialists in that on NR)
Useful for exploration of worlds, places, people around you, the planet, the universe and other planes.  You can probably go anywhere you want and do anything you want to do.  There are a few dangers, but with help from guides, practice, and intent, it is liberating.  You can meet others on the astral planes. You can train your psi abilities while astral projecting.  Spirit guide exist in the astral, and can train/help. The possibilities are endless.

Precognition
Also known as clairvoyance, is highly useful, but is not easily 'controllable.'  Can be unreliable if based on linear "time."  Precognition can also be recognized as a gut feeling, a very strong gut feeling, intuition.  Used for protection, decision-making.

Psi Energy (Streams or Psi Balls)
Energy can aid fatigue, lethargy, by sending a stream of psi through you, you can give to yourself, or project renewed energy in the immediate environment. Psi grounds, relaxes, calms, adjusts excess or negative energy and emotions. Sending energy to specific organs or body regions assists to rid of built up energies that can lead to aches, pains, bad moods, illnesses.  Psi can heighten your senses such as seeing or hearing.  Psi can also alert you to any nearby or upcoming danger.  When making ambiguous decisions, such as what road to take when lost, etc., open yourself up to psi and go for the road that feels like it’s calling to you.  If both roads call out, pick the stronger one.  Energy is always correct, but is often misunderstood, and practice makes perfect.

Scanning
Scanning is the combination of empathy, telepathy and remote viewing.  Not only a melding of the other 3 skills, but can reveal the/a real personality and essences of a person.  You can discern a quick who or what --type of person/thing you are dealing with.  Identifies ppl, places, things.  Picks up nuances, subtleties.

check these out too http://lensmoor.org/cgi-bin/help.cgi?helpon=skilllist  looks really interesting.  a game skills list? dunno but would like to have some of these under the belt.   looks funner than hell.

http://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Sol_Riven:Psi  more definitions, etc.

http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/dreams_a … 91367.html  this guy is way into it.  i figure if these can be used really well, really skillfully, its only a hop and a jump for lightening bolts off of fingertips, which i swear i knew how to do once (...upon a time...)

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Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Glad to see you back among the living, zenden.
I couldn't see how anyone could keep up the pace you're doing without
taking a time out occasionally.

As to psi skills, I seem to have quite a few out of the list you gave us.
I'm sure you do too.  One that particularly caught my attention was
pinging.  It's sometimes hard to tell who is doing the pinging, you are
the pingee.  Or maybe it's simultaneous.  I know we would all be a lot
more psychic if  we weren't afraid of what what we were revealing by
looking in on someone.  RVing establishes a two way link, so it's good
to have no ill will involved.
I keep thinking about what either the Viking-Z guy said or maybe it was
the remote viewer who now works for the Monroe Institute:  He was
looking at a cavern on Titan and encountered something that scared the
hell out of him.  But I'm rambling here.
The thing about Psi skills is that you have to be in a calm or very focused
state of mind to pull it off.  Sometimes it just happens while you're busy
doing something else and mulling things over in your mind that these ideas/
insights come.
That's about all I can contribute at the moment

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my two cents:
psi abilities are worth nothing after death in the spiritual world. Valueless.
The real important things is how much you learn about the world and the depth of your understanding of the world.
You don't need clairvoyance of psi-abilities, just a sound judgment, knowledge of the world and philosophical abilities. Still, to know the world you must know yourself. Many peolpe with psi abilities or clairvoyance don't understand well what they experience and negelct the development of sound judgment, reason and knowledge of the world.
If you do not learn to know the world and the spirtual forces at work in the world, you enter the spiritual worlds after death as a blind man, without the spiritual-sense organs needed to see and understand the spiritual world. Knowledge of the world shapes and creates those spiritual sense-organs needed for post-mortem evolution in cosmic spheres.

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  • From: The Athanor
  • Registered: 2005-01-20

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

thats just it druid, its not gonna work as a blind man.  and im not necessarily talking about death here.  its gonna  take quite a lot of skills to survive if stuck here on exit, one way or the other.  what if on earth 4D with a bunch of non-humans running around and with a bunch of crazed humans mixed in for good measure, and things arent clear yet as to whats going on.  all the disappearing acts that lyra has spoken of would come in quite handy.  telepathy is already a sure MUSt.  and will be used alot in 4 & 5D.  i sense all these psi skills, and many more are gonna come just naturally anyway, more and more and more sooner than later. 

the prob with the death no psi skill thing idea is that is that its old school.  i dont even think death is gonna be the same with ascension/the shift.  the whole THING here is gonna change.  thats the whole purpose of this evolutionary wave were in.  nothing will be the same and thank frickin god--or stuie's orange cloud.  thank whatever the hell it is that it all changes.  the whole thing is likely to paradigm shift and morph.   what went on and has been going on before must go too.  not going over to the other side where psi skills seem to come from and where they prob originated and are used all the time in astral realms, is what we need.  what everybody has done on death before is old school too.  thats the whole problem.  too mortal, of the mortal plane.  keeps us babbling, in fear, worried, anxious.  just not feeling or being that way is a freakin psi skill IMO.  staying calm on death/crossover is a damn psi skill.   or at least one of em.  why not understand how stuff works on both worlds?  thoth in the emerald tablets recommends all the skills u can muster.  with War In Heaven worries, thats enuf right there to blow a psi skill gasket.  i bet going up against a crat being "blind" is gonna us get us nowhere, nowhere 'safe' real fast.   thats gonna take some real skill and one never knows what may happen or how we may be tested.  with all the talk of dark realms, parasites, demons, etc., a few shape-shifting cloaking telepathic ditties are gonna come in very handy. so im gonna muster a few and i say its not a good idea not to.  the motto is always be prepared and so forth.  sound judgement and reasoning are the foundation.  the idea is to use new skills that will develop, and r developing now. with tremendous human integrity.

and TP--that viking Z guy has encountered a ton of stuff on his travels.  i started reading him in 95 or 96 and he blew my mind.  i can barely follow him.  he seems to be a total expert and must have balls of steel.

i ping ppl all the time.  and then they show up.  yes, the pingee vs the ping'er.  all is often confusing, as to who did what to who first or something like that.  it seems the development of the difft senses is the key, with heightened awareness, and as u said--focus.  just to focus well takes big energy.  in this worldly environment.

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  • From: Shores of Lake Titikaka
  • Registered: 2006-05-25

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

Sowelu wrote:

In my own experience and opinion, psi skills are tools similar to our 5 physical senses. Their focus is simply the "external reflections of the unseen/unknown levels of our consciousness", where our physical senses focus on the "external reflections of our known consciousness".

If you carry fear in your energies, your physical eyes may focus on obstacles, potential theft, dangerous and precarious potentials in your environment, and things of a "negative" nature. Same holds for psi skills, in my experience... but perhaps more so since fear and the "unseen" are practically synonymous at this level of consciousness.

So if you carry fear in your energies, your psi skills will focus on what IS (objective reality) through a filter of your fears (subjective lens). If you channel, you will attract entities offering information that serve your fears. If you are clairvoyant, you will "see" current and future potentials filtered through your fears, etc.

So in my opinion, the development of psi skills is best left alone until you grow your awareness enough that you possess a deep and connected understanding of nature, life and truth... and have faced your fears inwardly (the shamanistic route, essentially).

Many people don't understand how to face fears without an external experience to trigger those fears, however, and even don't consider it possible or feasible or practical or worthwhile in this externally focused world. So developing skills beyond one's ken is quite common, as are the resultant distorted understandings of life and hyperdimensional or multidimensional reality.

So to your question, awareness is enough protection, imo.

My own psi skill development stopped when I began my earnest awareness growth process. I clearly sensed a truth that it is a choice: illusion or truth? Seek truth first, psi skills will naturally follow later. OR... seek psi skills first, without comprehending truth, and suffer the consequences of your illusions/delusions... in a whole new arena!

Hope that helps.
~Sowelu

Nice post Sowelu!  smile

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  • Registered: 2006-08-05

Re: PSI skills -vs- awareness

My own psi skill development stopped when I began my earnest awareness growth process. I clearly sensed a truth that it is a choice: illusion or truth? Seek truth first, psi skills will naturally follow later. OR... seek psi skills first, without comprehending truth, and suffer the consequences of your illusions/delusions... in a whole new arena!

Hope that helps.
~Sowelu

Well put Sowelu!