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Ferit,
...

  http://www.myspace.com/algarnastradgard

It is of prime importance to recognize that just about everything we've been taught to expect as "normal" in our lives is the stuff of fairy tales and unrealistic dreams.
Theodore Isaac Rubin M.D.

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Well, some technological basics here:
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/manual- … ics_1.html
http://www.indiana.edu/~emusic/acoustics/amplitude.htm

...and going somewhat slightly deeper into musical subtleties:
http://www.terryblackburn.us/music/temp … index.html

hmmm...

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Thanks !

It is of prime importance to recognize that just about everything we've been taught to expect as "normal" in our lives is the stuff of fairy tales and unrealistic dreams.
Theodore Isaac Rubin M.D.

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On the other hand,

Mr. Bedini suggests these experiments:

    Purchase two identical music CDs.  Listen to both to verify that
    they are identical.  Now let the "scalar beam" play all over the
    surface of one of the CDs for about one minute.  You may want
    to build a simple rotating platform to make this process more
    convenient.  Now play the two CDs and compare them again.  Hear
    any difference?   (Note, this process is patent pending, so do not
    use it for any other purpose except to demonstrate the reality
    of the effect)

http://amasci.com/freenrg/bedini.html

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AB wrote:

On the other hand,

Mr. Bedini suggests these experiments:

    Purchase two identical music CDs.  Listen to both to verify that
    they are identical.  Now let the "scalar beam" play all over the
    surface of one of the CDs for about one minute.  You may want
    to build a simple rotating platform to make this process more
    convenient.  Now play the two CDs and compare them again.  Hear
    any difference?   (Note, this process is patent pending, so do not
    use it for any other purpose except to demonstrate the reality
    of the effect)

http://amasci.com/freenrg/bedini.html

It is not possible for a magnet or any other energy to change the data
of the CD media to make it better, because it is digital!
In the digital media there are only 0 and 1 disposed in a pattern, any change
in the pattern and the data can not be understood.

Data in the CD media can not change to better! Impossible!!
Much easier to change water to wine!!!

After the data is read from the CD, then it cam be improved, but
not the data in the CD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Non digital stuff can change, wine, food...

Bye, Pictus

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http://pictus.co.nr

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Pictus wrote:

It is not possible for a magnet or any other energy to change the data
of the CD media to make it better, because it is digital!
In the digital media there are only 0 and 1 disposed in a pattern, any change
in the pattern and the data can not be understood.

Data in the CD media can not change to better! Impossible!!
Much easier to change water to wine!!!

After the data is read from the CD, then it cam be improved, but
not the data in the CD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

smile

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Insider wrote:

It is 1 part of the manipulation, it is used in combination with 6 other methods of control in your daily life.
If you can "delete" a few from your life or have less exposure to them, the effect will reduce dramatically, but this
is not what will make you more self-conscious.
These methods are used to wear you out, lower your quality of life.
They are interlinked.

The methods are:
1. Food and drinks
2. Medication, "Health care" (include vitamins)
3. Electrical waves (including your PC and cellphone, house electr. network, everything chipped)
4. Media, be it TV-radio-newspapers-magazines-internet (the most obvious method, yet the most enslaving)
5. Music, Sounds (different method than media, used in a different way although most times through the media)
6. Air pollution
7. Education system (including known literature which is mostly corrupt, be it history, psychology,
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metapsychology, "philosophy", art, science, poetry, religion, even fairy tales told to infants).

Politics takes these methods and bombard you with this every day and make sure they are maintained.

The rule is:
If promoted/praised/applauded/critically acclaimed/free, be very wary.
Be it food, medicines, latest technological product, "artist", politician, musician, book, show, beverage, etc.
Some of these allegedly "stand the test of time", that is orchestrated for a reason.
Problem is if too wary, you could miss a few gems that are deliberately passed on in between the manipulation
tools by some.

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Quotes from a tekno-debate http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152

...
Digital jitter is harsh on ears compared to LP surface noise. We are used to hearing things through background noise but we are not used to bits being placed in the wrong order. It's a very odd form of distortion that can lead to fatigue.
...

...
1. The dynamic range of a 24bit system is orders of magnitude bigger than that of the human ears (144dB vs 120dB) and well beyond the noise limit imposed by quantum physics to most HiFi gear. Even the human ears are pretty damn close to all kinds of physical limits: the quietest sound that can be perceived by the normal ear implies a movement of the eardrum that's not bigger than 1/4 the size of the hydrogen molecule! Yes, that is accurate. And 96/24 digital is 24dB better than that (approx 16x in absolute terms).
Compare that to 70dB of the typical "good" tapes or similar values for vinyl.
Even 16bit digital (normal audio CD) has a "puny" 96dB dynamics, which is way better than anything analog.
Mind you, every 6dB increase means 2x in absolute values. 20dB means an order of magnitude. That brings 24bit digital more than 3 orders of magnitude above the best analog sources.
144dB means 1.6x10^7 (16 million). 96dB means 65k. 70dB means 3000.
...

Curiouser and curiouser...

As for the 'perfectness digitality' of the audio CD extraction...

http://web.ncf.ca/aa571/daefaq.htm

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Thursday, Jan. 10, 2008
Vinyl Gets Its Groove Back
By Kristina Dell

From college dorm rooms to high school sleepovers, an all-but-extinct music medium has been showing up lately. And we don't mean CDs. Vinyl records, especially the full-length LPs that helped define the golden era of rock in the 1960s and '70s, are suddenly cool again. Some of the new fans are baby boomers nostalgic for their youth. But to the surprise and delight of music executives, increasing numbers of the iPod generation are also purchasing turntables (or dusting off Dad's), buying long-playing vinyl records and giving them a spin.

Like the comeback of Puma sneakers or vintage T shirts, vinyl's resurgence has benefited from its retro-rock aura. Many young listeners discovered LPs after they rifled through their parents' collections looking for oldies and found that they liked the warmer sound quality of records, the more elaborate album covers and liner notes that come with them, and the experience of putting one on and sharing it with friends, as opposed to plugging in some earbuds and listening alone. "Bad sound on an iPod has had an impact on a lot of people going back to vinyl," says David MacRunnel, a 15-year-old high school sophomore from Creve Coeur, Mo., who owns more than 1,000 records.

The music industry, hoping to find another revenue source that doesn't easily lend itself to illegal downloads, has happily jumped on the bandwagon. Contemporary artists like the Killers and Ryan Adams have begun issuing their new releases on vinyl in addition to the CD and MP3 formats. As an extra lure, many labels are including coupons for free audio downloads with their vinyl albums so that Generation Y music fans can get the best of both worlds: high-quality sound at home and iPod portability for the road. Also, vinyl's different shapes (hearts, triangles) and eye-catching designs (bright colors, sparkles) are created to appeal to a younger audience. While new records sell for about $14, used LPs go for as little as a penny--perfect for a teenager's budget--or as much as $2,400 for a collectible, autographed copy of Beck's Steve Threw Up.

Vinyl records are just a small scratch on the surface when it comes to total album sales--only about 0.2%, compared to 10% for digital downloads and 89.7% for CDs, according to Nielsen SoundScan--but these numbers may underrepresent the vinyl trend since they don't always include sales at smaller indie shops where vinyl does best. Still, 990,000 vinyl albums were sold in 2007, up 15.4% from the 858,000 units bought in 2006. Mike Dreese, CEO of Newbury Comics, a New England chain of independent music retailers that sells LPs and CDs, says his vinyl sales were up 37% last year, and Patrick Amory, general manager of indie label Matador Records, whose artists include Cat Power and the New Pornographers, claims, "We can't keep up with the demand."

Big players are starting to take notice too. "It's not a significant part of our business, but there is enough there for me to take someone and have half their time devoted to making vinyl a real business," says John Esposito, president and CEO of WEA Corp., the U.S. distribution company of Warner Music Group, which posted a 30% increase in LP sales last year. In October, Amazon.com introduced a vinyl-only store and increased its selection to 150,000 titles across 20 genres. Its biggest sellers? Alternative rock, followed by classic rock albums. "I'm not saying vinyl will become a mainstream format, just like gourmet eating is not going to take over from McDonald's," says Michael Fremer, senior contributing editor at Stereophile. "But there is a growing group of people who are going back to a high-resolution format." Here are some of the reasons they're doing it and why you might want to consider it:

Sound quality LPs generally exhibit a warmer, more nuanced sound than CDs and digital downloads. MP3 files tend to produce tinnier notes, especially if compressed into a lower-resolution format that pares down the sonic information. "Most things sound better on vinyl, even with the crackles and pops and hisses," says MacRunnel, the young Missouri record collector.

Album extras Large album covers with imaginative graphics, pullout photos (some even have full-size posters tucked in the sleeve) and liner notes are a big draw for young fans. "Alternative rock used to have 16-page booklets and album sleeves, but with iTunes there isn't anything collectible to show I own a piece of this artist," says Dreese of Newbury Comics. In a nod to modern technology, albums known as picture discs come with an image of the band or artist printed on the vinyl. "People who are used to CDs see the artwork and the colored vinyl, and they think it's really cool," says Jordan Yates, 15, a Nashville-based vinyl enthusiast. Some LP releases even come with bonus tracks not on the CD version, giving customers added value.

Social experience Crowding around a record player to listen to a new album with friends, discussing the foldout photos, even getting up to flip over a record makes vinyl a more socially interactive way to enjoy music. "As far as a communal experience, like with family and friends, it feels better to listen to vinyl," says Jason Bini, 24, a recent graduate of Fordham University. "It's definitely more social."

Source:  http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic … 69,00.html

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morningsun---thank you for reviving this thread.

I was reading on crystalinks http://www.crystalinks.com/ezine
about things coming in the future concerning media and they
said that CD's were on their way out, DVD's would last a little
longer but eventually everything visual and audio would go
the way of mp3 and digital storage.  Which totally sucks.
I mean, they've got everybody walking around with these pods
in their ears, no one is participating in hearing the same music
at the same time and it's all had its SOUL removed.  Now the
microwave towers can beam ELF programming subliminal
whispers and who knows what else right through your stupid
iPod or mp3 player as you stroll zombielike through life
without ever hearing natural sounds from the earth.

Maybe they'll find a way to digitize US and we can all live
in a virtual world imbedded in a silicon chip.

What joy.

Tom Paine

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Hi Tom,

I'm definitely not on the same page as you on this one.  I'm grateful for the ability NOT to have to listen to what everyone else is listening, and for the convenience of the technology (portable music, not the ELF!)      I'd just like to see it used in such a way that preserves all the aspects of the music that ought to be preserved.

I have two issues with modern digital music:

1) CDs don't provide the same fullness of sound that vinyl records do.   This is just a matter of the inadequate technical specification which CDs use, and could be resolved by using a different format which captured all the necessary sound information.

2) Current methods of digital recording seem to have a subtle adverse effect on human physiology, which also can be detected by sensitive listeners as "something off" about the music.   I think this issue was nailed down in quote from John Diamond, MD which opened this thread:

With the advent of Direct Stream Digital (DSD) recording, it is now possible to conclude that the negative effects I have stated above are due not to the digital process per se but to the mode of achieving it, Pulse Code Modulation (PCM). For DSD recordings do not have these negative effects [on the body] ...

The very essence of Music is the expression of peace, of comfort – of love. And this PCM has destroyed, even reversed!

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morningsun--yes we are on the same page.  I didn't mean to indicate
that I want to inflict MY favorite music onto other people.  I do like
the convenience of private listening, but I also like to fill the room or
car I'm in with my favorite music while I'm working or driving.
I can't stand the mp3 wimpy sound quality and even my CD's don't
have the same richness that my old casette tapes and vinyls do.

It seems that real music must be watered down or jacked with
lest we get any real benefit from it.  It is said that certain keys
and resonances are actually awakeners to our beings.  Maybe they
don't want any of that to be available to us.

Maybe lizards and aliens don't have ears.

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What an interesting thread!

Just had a few coins drop in this little head of mine.  Years ago I used to go to dance parties and have the best time dancing to DJ's playing vinyl.  Then there would be a switch to another DJ and for some reason I would always feel that the fun ended if that new DJ was playing off CD's rather than vinyl records - it was as if the energy completely changed.  Now I know why - thanks all for sharing your perspectives.

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I am very thankful for digital music - for one it allows you to combine entire collections of music into one small device making it portable and effectively bringing music to wherever you go. But apart from the convenience of not having to lug hundreds of albums around with you, there is a lot of music previously unavailable or recorded that is now accessible online. I don't mean i-tunes or anything like that, but specifically classical music which is performed by amateur groups around the world who then upload this music onto their websites and make it freely available to all.

So in that sense, I would say digital music IS affecting my health - for the better. I can listen to music which is peaceful and calming and provides a relief and escape from everyday stresses.  I'm sure the negative issues already raised do have a case, but for me personally I can't imagine ever returning to the non-digital era.

Vincit omnia Veritas: Truth conquers all.