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I think Magical_Mongoose has a similar view of things as I have been coming to, even if he is just referencing something that LM said, I have seen it in many lines of thought. Some fundamental cosmic "mistake" has really screwed up this whole reality, and there is pure evil loose and working only to drag down consciousness/suck energy. It gets disguised as "karma" or "lessons on the Earth-incarnation path", but even the whole life-death-rebirth cycle seems like a big deception set up by a higher dimensional control hierarchy, or a bad parody of the original state of freedom that is our source. That is why so many people get into these theories about "OPs" and "minions" and "pod-people" and "negative entity attachments", there is a lot of evil, deception and entrapment going on in this world. If it was just a matter of loving these things and then they no longer effect you that would be great, but it does not seem to be the case. We are not insulated from the world just by affirming that it has no effect on us, we are very much a PART of this enormous world.

Blue wrote:

the first thing we need to do is to displace all corrupt government and dictatorial powers and replace them with leaders that actually represent the views of the people (which, with the power of the internet) has become easier to do.

That should be relatively easy to do (in terms of elected governemnt) by means of democratic process

Blue, I like your writing, but this is crazy. It is important to have a grounded, 3D reality-based plan, and this is definitely part of the shift that will NEED to happen if we are to move forward as a species towards freedom and not extinction/enslavement. But...... In what sense do you think it would be easy to replace the leaders in our system by means of democratic process??? Have you not studied *enough* "fearful" conspiracy theories to realize that all of our political systems are and have been corrupt for SO LONG that there ain't NOBODY getting through all the corruption to stand up and REPLACE the current leaders?! And ESPECIALLY not through voting! I mean, yeeesh! How do you propose we accomplish this goal? I agree it is totally necessary, but part of the whole conundrum is how utterly impossible it seems with things the way they are. The government that the public sees is not even necessarily aware of the identities, let alone the goals, of the true power behind the scenes which they are forced/expected to bow down to and obey. The public votes on figure heads and scape goats, and even if a major shift of actors takes place, we will just see more puppets tossed up by the invisible controlling forces to placate the majority of the public. I sometimes feel as though I am on a sinking ship in this country (USA), and I honestly don't know how things will "turn around" without some really major shifts...

Tim

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What is love, SamIAm?

"There cannot be progress without expression. There cannot be expression without separation. There cannot be separation without progress."-Ouroboros

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SamIAm wrote:

all I wanted to hear was one word:  LOVE

that's the answer to all of the problems in the world.  Plain and clearly, but none of you who responded could give such a simple answer. 

where did we go wrong?  we fell out of love

how did we get off track?  we fell out of love

what can we do to get back on track?  love

it's that simple.  A lot of you are filled with such spiritual mumbo jumbo, you forgot the most simple answer of all.

You don't need knowledge, books, prayers, days of meditation and fasting, or special powers.  Love is the answer.  It always has, and always will be.  Why do most of us forget that?

That's EXACTLY what I wrote in a few simple words talking about oneness...

Love is just a WORD, unity is reality, and when you're in it, you don't give it a name, as fire burns without shouting the word "hot"

Love is on this topic, because everyone tried to add his stone to your question, and even if you didn't love it, it was pure love;) because we wanted to do something for you and us, anf that is unity going on.

The worst ennemy of love is judgment because it separates our mind from unity.

Everyone has his way to remember this unity, and no path can be judged:)

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Here's my humble opinion for what's it worth.

Love to me is something of a process.  Acceptance, Understanding, and Appreciation.  Learn to accept things long enough to get to the point of understanding them and their place.  Then you can appreciate those things.  Appreciation builds Love.

It seems that people may have lost perspective.  Take any of the issues that seem so overbearing and place them on the back drop of infinity or eternity.  That's perspective.  This whole human condition thing is just a bump in the road.  I guess I'm just at a point where the deepest of conspiracies just seems trite and silly to me.  They just hold no weight for me anymore.  All the answers are pretty obvious at this point.

If there are higher dimensional beings that are holding us here with their magic powers then screw them because now we know.  Their gig is up.  The fat lady has sung and we're just waiting for the auditormium to clear out.  It's over.  It's been a great run.  Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.

It's a dream and we are all dream characters.  The object is to become lucid in the dream.  To wake up in the dream.  To wake up to the simple fact that we are not our bodies, minds, or even our souls.  Take away thought, take away emotion, take away action, take away energy, take away light, and then what are we?  We are pure awareness.  Wake up to that ever present pure awareness that we all are and you become lucid.  Silence is the key to open the door to knowing that awareness we each are.  Once that awareness is known there is no going back to worry or any of the other closed-looped emotions that keep people going in circles.  There's just no way you can go back.  One can pretend.  One can forget they are pretending.  But it doesn't last.  It can't last.

Anyway, I'll get back to my pretending.

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So, let me get this straight SamIAm......

You're telling me 42 isn't the most simple answer?

Vincit omnia Veritas: Truth conquers all.

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Love is within us all and always will be, yes it is a core answer if we are trying to 'gain an answer', as the board has discussed the concept.  However within the most simple things also lies complexity, as alluded to above, the things that expand from love, including understanding and compassion for example are all a part.  Sam, to put all into one word however can be limiting.  Do you know how a plant can cry for you, or the love of a bloodline decendant?  You need not answer, enjoy the journey and feel free to disagree.

Love is Knowledge is Light

22 (edited by Iriana 2007-02-28 00:21:26)

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The return "Home" begins with consciousness. The awareness-of-being. First and foremost before all qualifications & requirements.
From this place then, be-ing, in the context of love, is a natural, effortless outcome. Without ego, without conditions....and even this is only a stepping stone to something greater - which words cannot convey.

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SamIAm wrote:

Let's simplify things....  It's all I asked, but clearly that's too much to ask on this board...  Clearly all of you are way over your head on what your talking about.  I doubt you even believe it yourself.

LOL, Sam, you should have known better than to expect a simple answer from this bunch!   Part of the problem is that it is so broad-sweeping and complicated.  "Quick-- in 10 seconds or less, describe the solution to every problem here on Earth." 

As for me, I think awareness is the key to everything, even more so than love.  Lack of awareness has allowed us to be influenced by negative forces, whether you believe in the alien/ archon theory of intervention, Casteneda's Predator, the Christian devil, or Jung's Collective Unconscious.  Either we're allowing our shadow selves to take over because we refuse to face it, or we're being used as pawns by some hyper-dimensional intelligence.  The result is the same, and to some extent, so are the consequences.

Awareness is simply being here and now, and knowing where the impulse to act comes from.  It's being able to see yourself and your world for what it is without painting it with an ideal or demonizing it. Once you're aware, you can choose love.... but love without awareness is sterile and impotent.

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"Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. "

I think Lono hit the "know" part on the head.  It's about knowing objectivity and feeling the depth of that objectivity.  So much deeper than subjectivity.  So much broader.  "Knowing what is in front of your face" is difficult if you are constantly judging.

Saying the information here is complex is a subjective judgement.  I don't find any of it overtly complex.  Adding up everyone it's complex, simple, and many shades in between.  Do you not Love the information here?  Is not Love the act of allowance for all things based on the realization that all things already exist in potential and experiencing all things is the whole point.

But I'm not preaching.  I don't maintain a state of pure allowance all the time.  It's difficult.  Not because the act is difficult but because there's not much conversation to be had if you aren't judging something.  Most human conversation that I've ever heard is almost constant judgement.  So in order to really have a conversation with people you have to like one thing and not another.  Feel strongly for or against something.  Or have opinions that you back up with more judgements.

Back on topic:  The simple answer is 1.

The complex answer is there are infinite decimal numbers between 0 and 1.

That is the nature of existence.  There is One awareness and infinite expressions of that One awareness.

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All exists out of fear or love.   The only way to fight fear [hate/evil (whatever you want to call it)] is to send it love.   Fear feeds off fear.  We all know that.  Send the most evil manipulator's in the world "love", that's how transformation begins.  That's the only way the world is going to change, if people learn to start loving one another regardless of how evil they might be.  Having negative feelings/thoughts for manipulating aliens, politicians, others only enforces their power and makes them grow.  Love is the most sharpest blade.  The most powerful weapon to fight evil.

Here's a great article about fighting evil.  http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2007/02 … reme-evil/
Erin Pavlina is amazing, she's up there with LipstickMystic.  We just have to tap into love.  Love is the ultimate healer.

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Well Sam, since you now have found that love is the answer to everything, are all the problems in your life solved?  Also because I am not quite sure love is, maybe you could explain it to me.  Is it desire, as desire and love are terms oft used synonymously?  Is love a feeling of Union with all like Adama said?  Is love light?  The word love is nothing more then a symbol, and to define the answer to the worlds problem with such a subjective and vague symbol is probably not very accurate.  Perhaps what you understand love to mean is truly the answer to all, but I assure you everyones definition of love differs, and my definition of love is not answer the question "Where did we go wrong?"

Likewise I have read many times by those in the New Age community with an open mind that sending love and light to those who you would define as "evil" does not turn them it enrages them.  When I was in the bitter angry stages of my life, I hated love perhaps more then I hated evil.  I saw it as such a silly and blinding thing it could be.  What turned me from the bitterness was that I hated hate, and negativity enough to try the alternative.  I have since found that positivity is so much more comfortable and pleasant a way to live.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

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Also because I am not quite sure love is, maybe you could explain it to me.

Love = that unconditonal feeling between a good mother and her children.  That unconditional pure non-judgemental love.  It's a feeling of union with nature and all people.  It's a feeling of connectedness & universal acceptance.  That vibrant powerful energy that pours out of the heart chakra when you tap into it.   It's hard to explain because it's beyond words, but everyone has experienced true unconditional love at some moment in their life.  It's purely positive and nuturing.  It reassures you.  It leaves you with no self-doubt.  It's that warm blanket on a cold morning that keeps you cozy and warm.


Likewise I have read many times by those in the New Age community with an open mind that sending love and light to those who you would define as "evil" does not turn them it enrages them.  When I was in the bitter angry stages of my life, I hated love perhaps more then I hated evil.  I saw it as such a silly and blinding thing it could be.  What turned me from the bitterness was that I hated hate, and negativity enough to try the alternative.  I have since found that positivity is so much more comfortable and pleasant a way to live.

Of course it enrages evil because evil has no control over love.  Love always wins over.  Sometimes darkness/evil all it needs is to know that there's another way that would be more fulfilling then they could ever imagine.   It's one thing to be positive, but it's another thing to love life and try to learn to love everyone no matter how much pain they may cause.  Darkness becomes so isolated from the flow of love, it forgets all about love.

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Adama, I like your posts. I, too, believe that the illusion of separation has created the world we have today. Perhaps the "fall" as symbolized in the bible was when the one became an I and forgot it's true identity. Now we have a lot of I's looking for love, or a return to the one, in all the wrong places.

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Sending Love to those that don't want it, in an attempt to change them and is wishing to impose on free-will.  Wishing to impose on free-will, wishing to change another being, and wishing to change the world is not full Love.  It may seem like it but it's just self love.  You want the world a certain way.  You want people a certain way.  That's self love but I don't think that's what we are talking about specifically.  Someone operating from true love would never think of changing a (subjectively labelled) "evil" entity.  True love accepts all as it is.  Love wishes to expand self by internalizing the understanding of others, not by trying to make others like self.  Love never wishes to change others but does so just the same by being an example to others.  For love there is no "win over".  There is no battle.  There is nothing wrong.  That is not to say you allow others to impose on your free-will either.  It is an act of love to do everything in your power to preserve your own free-will.  You are not just looking out for the unique vibrational expression that you are but you are providing a lesson to those that may wish to impose on your free-will.

Don't get me wrong though.  It's a high acheivement to "love everyone no matter how much pain they may cause", there is no downgrading that.  But I don't think love would do it out of the intent of changing them or the world.  Love just loves everyone because it comes naturally (after much work on self).  You become love but not at the expense of self.  Knowledge of all vibrations are contained within and can be experienced.

'I tried to think back to the first vibration, the first spark of existence.  It doesn't make sense that love was the first thing.  I think awareness was first.  After exploring itself then Infinity grew a self love.  It enjoyed it's created expressions.  It loved them, although still it was loving self.  Imagine though if the first vibration only grew attached to one aspect of itself and decided it wanted everything that way.  That doesn't really make sense for potentially infinite expressions because surely an Awareness that was exploring itself would Love all of itself that it found.  If it didn't it would get rather boring pretty quick for such a potentially Infinite Awareness.  The love shown towards expressions of self would have to be unconditional in order to fully experience all expressions.  By duplication of self awareness, this love then can be exchanged between expressions of self.  All such fractal duplicate autonomous expressions of self would need to be given the same allowance.  And since the act of creation within the infinite void requires transfer of vibration there was no void to separate the creator from the created.  But yet the creator (us) is also the uncreated.  The infinite potential.  There is really no separation as all vibrational blueprints are contained within the infinite potential.  And the potential for fading back to Void is always present within the vibration creation.

Norrow focus is what ultimately leads to voidness.  An ever slower vibration, which is our free-will to choice if we so desire.  Allowance, Acceptance, Understanding, and Appreciation (AAUA) is the love that increases the vibration which automatically increases creation potential.  Adding AAUA to all known and imagined awareness vectors restores the potential creation quotient.  Seeing, Knowing, Groking, Internalizing, and using free flow awareness encompassing of everything as one vibrational creation solidifies a place of silent benevolent inner power.  One then trully becomes God simply by the fact that one actually realizes it has had the potential to grow all by itself in any conditions (including Earth) all along.  Not to say you automatically go to the highest vibration and you're in pure blissful something or another.  It is more of a 180 turn around to start going back up the spiral which will then prompt the inner knowledge that you already know the beginning and end.  But yet there is an out of focus area within the inner awareness that is the part one needs to bridge the gap between acting in a play and actually creating your own play.  That gap is the secret to ascension.

That gap is silence.  It's like a sea of silence.  But the sea of silence is still self.  Not separated.  But yet it is rarely entertained, rarely visited.  One can only cross the sea of silence in silence.  A consciously forced outward push of silent awareness.  Not a repetitively hynotizing meditation.  Nor a fall asleep shut-my-brain off meditation.  It's this feeling of anticipation of 'knowing more' that fuels the awareness allowing it to expand.  And the state of silence is a state of allowance for 'something', not necessarily outside self, but 'something' that is not really known consciously.

Alright, I've tangetized far enough.  SamIAm, I wasn't really speaking to you directly most of the time there.  I just sorta tangetized on some of the points raised.  I can't say I'm right and you're wrong or I'm wrong and you're right because Infinity allows for both.

How's that for simple.    : )

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Love is nothingness. Love is neither giving nor taking. Love is simply there. It never obeys nor commands. It does not suffer, it just is. Love is not a thought but a perception of feeling, otherwise it's not real. Love lets free and keeps itself free, it binds neither itself nor others. It stands alone  and wants nothing more than to stand free. Love is joy, is a wide open expanse, love is nothingness.
Until we have discovered our innermost core and until it has become free in ourselves, we are nothing more but imprints of the past, old stories... There can be no immediacy, the present cannot uflod itself and blossom in our lives.
Love does not insist on its rights, preferring loneliness to company, when company is not filled with it. Love does not make compromises. When it comes to the truth, it is merciless, though eternally indulgent when you need it and when you open yourself to it.  Love has no pride and is always ready to begin again. It knows no boundaries and therefore it contains all the beauty. Love can afford to fail, to give in - because it is the absolute strength, free in expression. It need not to be perfect and, precisely of that, it is complete.
Love is the finest, highest vibration of energy of which the universe is made, which constitutes and penetrates everything. Love manifests itself according to certain universal laws which vary according to ones level of existence. Every human being, being a manifestation of love, can bring his consciousness into contact with this delicate level of experience...
To say anything about love is actually presumptuous because love can only be experienced.
Love is growth. Fixation on anything hinders growth and with it love.
Love does not impose any conditions, it just enjoy.
Love express itself. Without expression there is no love.
Love is self-fulfilling: boredom arises when love is absent.
Love is stillness. Sadness is always a first step to love.

It is of prime importance to recognize that just about everything we've been taught to expect as "normal" in our lives is the stuff of fairy tales and unrealistic dreams.
Theodore Isaac Rubin M.D.