A Key to Lucid Dreaming?

I believe a key to lucid dreaming is to live a spiritual life. What I mean by this is that you consciously (and by extension unconsciously) choose to focus your life exclusively in the vein of spirituality, and through success in this vein you realize utter *importance* in life... in this sense of importance, when you regain consciousness after sleep, you immediatedly wish to wake up and live the day, as opposed to getting a few more minutes or hours of sleep... in this same vein, you carry off when you wake up *right* where you left off before falling asleep (with a renewed sense of vitalization at that)... in this way are your dreams not random but rather extensions of what you wish during the day.. whereby dreaming of things out of alignment with your spiritual focus in life signals dischord in terms of denial within your daily efforts to live a spiritual life. Dreaming thus becomes a purging of the ego as you slowly transmute your unconscious through right knowledge towards the vector of your conscious intent and will.. a process which upon a certain degree of success translates into dreaming what you wish to dream as opposed to what you specifically consciously do not wish (for you synthesise your conscious and unconscious).

Hi T-Green,

About Gurdgieff, I read the The Search of the Miraculous by Ouspensky (a Mathematician) when I was about 24 years of age.
(Wow, 7 universes!).

When my boyfriend and I 'broke-up' (what a funny expression) , I was deeply hurt.  I moved to the Coast and found
The Search of the Miraculous and started reading and was really quite impressed with this once again.
But , get this,
When I return to my home town in the East (holiday)(I'm in early thirties by then), I showed this book to a friend, and
He said, "You were reading that book back then".
I thought, "So much for 'Self-remembering'....and really had to

For myself, this experience was really about how the Heart gets broken, that Traumas, etc, are really needed of healing,
and usually the The Child Within is hurt.

However, I am happy to hear that you are capable of Lucid Dreaming from Gurdgieff's teachings.  But they are so
esoteric, that most people , I feel wouldn't even have the capacity to read it.
Healing is at the UpperMost Importance now , and this Forum of Nobles is allowing us to move on ...

-Monique

key to lucid dreaming....understand dynamics behind basic dreaming, dreamtime interpretation process....what works for us as unique individuals within an extremley similar whole?....have personnally found that no one has mastered this aspect of our existence percisley and comprehensivley.....maybe it's evolving with us...i do believe that many of the leading teachers/philosophies on the entire realm of dreaming have gotten certain aspects of the whole interpretted correctly.....how about the communication techniques that are utilized by our support elements that exist behind the 'grand curtain' that is still a mystery to mankind........such brilliance rests beyond our paradigm for the sake of overloading our brains, and/or our minds...........i believe that our pineal gland is the key......over the counter melantonin can do wonders in bringing about a 20th century pineal gland to its normal capacities......just temporarily as once the cells remember their awesome potential it may no longer be necessary......don't be surprised if all those little eyes within the 6th chakra reopen through the testing process......next clear all the frequencies that attached themselves to the mental and emotional layers of our etheric bubbles throughout the day.....prime etheric time is dusk and the stone sellenite is a powerful conductor....once again once the cellular memory reactivates then either dusk or sellenite within this example are necessary.......this is an excellent discipline as we know since it is not necesary to wrestle with anyone elses mental emotional elements as we all have enough of our own stuff going on........ok, now our left brain is clear.....pineal(bridge) is also primed....now i would suggest setting some textbook intentions towards lucid dreaming, for example, within the right sphere of our brains, homeof the subconscious.......we next doze off and go up the tube or tunnel as you will.....an idea is to follow the green swirling vortexs with our perctional attention through the corriders of the tube.....pull, don't push......we are now asleep sans the normal left brain 'mind' chatter.......at some point we will begin to awaken during the night.....when the first occurrence comes about consider training oneself to lightly breath......5 breaths should do yet experiment by not counting with numbers yet by the feel of the breath itself....this could be considered a discipline at first yet once its celluraly installed then it will become our 'oxygen tank', or our perceptual endurance, within the lucid dreaming process....remember never to judge....just like judging ceases the transcending process while we're shape shifting up in frequency beyond the veil, it now will perform an immediate left brain awakening that will turn our lucid dream into a normal dream into a potential fleeting memory of some potentially valuable intel.......this process should guide us through our dream states which covers the lucid dreaming part of the process.....once the information id attained then interpret on the spot before the mind completley awakens.....we may only interpret one symbol on one night yet set out to get two the next night and see how this can escalate towards rewarding us with our ultimate objective whatever that individually may be......remember that there is no darkness or negativity at the essence of our beings or this life in general......theirs tons of accumulation so we must get beyond it.......go right back to chidhood and work forward....before we hate another there will be an ever so brief moment in which our heart has opened and we will hace loved that person, place, thing, etc......attaining the nugget beyond that percetion seems to lead to the next clue of how we go about our individual and collective paths........check it out/namaste

'your posts are like a confirmation that these feelings are right'.................................always go with the feelings...they hold the weight of the heightened frequencies and only the Truth can hang at those oscillations....the mind treads water with sand bags in tow upon ascending higher up the frequency charts.....the words will drop off first and then the thought forms........then the mind itself.......eventually all we're left with is feelings so that should tell us something in regard to where we should place our attention upon seeking the truth.......no one breeches the veil with any baggage other than Self.......not for long anyway.......the final layers/levels of our universally collected emotional turbulence over many life times is thick and resistant/the veil.....like a plane that unexspectantly free falls into heavy turbulence will give off a subtle feeling that is similar.....to get through the veil we have to open our heart and that in itself can only be done through feelings.......if one was to study the descension from beyond the veil than one may find that it is our mind and its thoughts and words that act as an anchor that pull us down......judgements, at a finite level, can accumulate with an unceasing momentum.....if we chose to we can literally hover just at the percise intersection of where the mind drops off completley.......the etheric space in front of the eyes of our beings will literally open and close or fluctuate as we perform the slightest judgement and then release it.....wild stuff, some refer to so as the 'doorway' itself......we can find the same doorway inside ourselves with our eyes closed since our perception is our true reality creating an inside out reallity..............always go with the feelings....its no longer a choice these days as one can metaphysically prove so....now we must coral and dominate our escape mechanisms.....its paramount upon ascension since it will create an imbalance upon each and every facet mentioned......one does not want to be running the type of energy that the feelings of higher truths require unless their 'ground' is in order.......any holes in our armor will be exposed at the heightened frequencies and can potentially lead us into a radically unnecesary 3d experience.....we can only help others if we can help ourselves first.....the most effective way i feel this can be done is to seperate from the pack and then come back.....one foot in, one foot out......we then have the opportunity to navigate effectivley through our lives denser regions.......................................Blue, thanks for the kind words.....in regards to the sellenite.....take it with you upon transcending.....take it to a vortex....experiment with it at these highly vibrant and sensative levels......compare it's conducting and magnetic properties with a couple polarity examples....example, piece of plastic, piece of paper, steel, etc.....allow your mind to witness your findings....you may be impressed with sellenite.....its probaly and argubly the most preferred stone of etheric healers....that should tell us something....it really holds frequencies....good and less than wonderful so you may want to allow the sun and moon to clear it time and again....you'll know when it's primed since it visually will become denser....every bit helps.....remember that our left side is our emotional-intuitive side and is a bit more sensative than our will-intent side....reverse so of course if your left handed in life....our etheric bubbles appear to take a beating on our intake side so it may be worth mentioning..................i hope some of the tidbits above help you in any way as they help me.....pardon any unintentional degrounding........lock on to those feelings/namaste

.....sellenite....if your asking my advice on stones then i would suggest always getting a rough cut as oppossed to a polished stone.....sellenite chips are all you need....less is more with stones.....the energy gets condensed within the smaller stones.....experiment with utilizing the sharpest protruding edge to direct the stones charge.....larger pieces of sellenite will signifigantly alter the frequency of a room.....higher the frequency the quicker the truth blossoms to the surface, right.......for example us in an awake and empathically aware mode of being will walk into a room with a chunk of sellenite in it and we'll pick up, adjust, and run the energy.....if were submersed within our being then one may notice the eyes go glossy and the gibberish of our transmuted frequencies come rolling out of our mouths until we hopefully catch ourselves and ground.....its a very subtle stone......it holds well and when charged up it can have a noticeable effect upon any interactions within its field.....its worth investigating..... remember that it is just a piece of the puzzle yet we do need preferably all the pieces we can get.....if you end up really getting gung ho on stones then at some point research black tourmaline and moldavite laced with raw copper.......they each have functions that i have found that are condusive to plowing along on the Path when things can appear to feel aweful bleak.....all of us could tell another loads of personnal information on preferable stones and their capacities yet its important to remember that all that wonderful information is submersed within ourselves just waiting to be tapped into.....theres no stone guy who knows more about stones than your self yet there may be a few that have given stones more attention within this lifetime......a true stone guy for example would only tell enough information to direct another to that same attribute in another.....check it out......us and stones are two things that have been around a long time in the grand spectrum and if you unexspectingly resonate with these gifts as i did/do then you have alot to look forward to....i feel great just being a potential somewhat anoymous spec of the process.........................losing god points.......brother you are never losing god points, never have, or never will.....just being on this metaphysical discussion forum reveals an intention that is going to manifest whatever your ready for when your ready.....your positioned well....keep cleaning up the left brain garbage that we all collectivley inherited once we popped out of the womb....there is nothing that is yours, mine, or anyone else fault.....we've been bred into this place to make a difference....theres nothing else to do.....you seem to have a grasp on the basic constructs of our illusioned reallity....your writing suggests that you have come as close as one can without engaging the veil.....thats a huge feat in this lifetime....most are going full speed in the opposite direction and many that a good ways down the Path got chorded up and beat down....i know the feeling well.......i would suggest that you do what it takes when the time is right to pierce the veil...that way you'll have a target to work with......everything is right here....its not up or down.....the more we can raise our oscillation, the more the space /etheric will reveal itself....when the times right one will breech there way through....all cylanders/chakras will run on their own like never before.....the experience may not last long at first yet one can build on it....the first great thing about seeing the Truth is now knowing whats not the truth....we now have something to go to work on in the maya that is de facto constructive....others will gravitate towards or violently repel the enhaced etheric bubble one will be running.....everyone gets beat up yet to hang in there while studying how the energy moves and discerns throughout the process is to accomplish something that is very special and extremley necessary these days......i believe most would agree.......in conclusion, collect your power at all times.....pay close attention to your solar plexus in the case that you feel your leaking energy against your desires.....look into a place called boynton canyon in sedona arizona for the sake of breeching one of the thinnest veils that there is........theres only a little bit of distance between this dimension and the dimension the place you want to get to....i'm talking less than a foot yet it can be a tough foot if we get to it before we somewhat diminish our left brain mind chatter.....if you take it on while a few days into a fast then your kundalini will have already purged and settled which will incorporate another vital piece of the puzzle towards transcending...................right on Blue, thanks for allowing me to share......by the way there was no interpreted negativity on my part/namaste