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OOh, I almost forgot until reading Magical Mongoose's post, but I've recently had two "reptilians underground" dreams lately, the most recent involving a dragon!  And I've NEVER dreamt about reps or dragons, so this is really unusual.   

The dragon one was really bizarre, hard to describe, but basically I was making my way through what appeared to be green forest of some sort, woods, but it wasn't clear, kind of fuzzy background dream setting.  I was with other people but couldn't make out any faces.  We got to a place in the woods where there were stairs built into the ground, heading down underground.  They formed a square spiral.   I perked up, kind of excited, recognizing this as our destination and ran down the steps.

At the bottom of the stairs it was just natural lighting coming in from the opening not too far above us.  There was a well, the entrance to something even deeper in the ground.   The well had a bucket that operated with a pulley structure, and you had to sit in the bucket and be lowered down.  I became like an observor of sorts, watching two guys who were with me as one lowered the other down into the well.  We were all there to get something that was located at the bottom of the well.

Again, as an observor it was like I was able to "follow" the one guy as he was lowered by the other, not sure how I did that, but hey, it's a dream. wink   

We got to the bottom of the well to get what it was we came for .......I'm still not clear about what that was.  Then he was pullied back up to the top of the well again.

Things get a little hazy after this, but basically, the child actress Dakota Fanning was there, this blonde 11-12 year old kid, and we all went back to the well to go back down again.  Only this time when we got to the bottom there was a dragon.  The dragon rose up and "spread its wings" I guess, but they formed a triangle shape behind it.   The features were hazy, not clear.  Then a double spiral/helix eminated up from the dragon and traveled up the well.  I got the impression that the dragon was mad, and we all had to bail out of there ASAP.

Pullied back up the well and back to the stairs, with "Dakota Fanning" in tow, we ran from the dragon.   I then had a premonition of how it was all going to end - we could run, but it was in vain.  We were going to be disintegrated by the dragon's fire.  Poof, burned up, gone.

Scene switch to where we were now inside some Victorian era house thing with creaky wooden floors in a downtown area of a small, old American city, probably Charlottesville where we live.  The house faced a small but slightly busy street that had traffic.  I was with "Dakota" as we roamed from room to room, on up to the second floor, trying to find the best place to hide from this angry dragon that was going to disintegrate us with fire.  And that's basically where the dream ended.

The previous "rep" dream involved being in the basement of my old house in Connecticut, and the work room/furnace room area somehow segued into a scene of a "mine" of some sort, with workers who worked in this mine.  There was a wooden box thing with a lid, that was really the entrance into a long tunnel that went deep into the ground..........and which led to a Reptilian colony of some sort.  The miners had accidentally stumbled onto this in their digging and were trying to cover it up, making sure  the public never finds out about these things.  I was there trying to steal documents that talked about it, trying to blow the lid off the operation.   So I was sneaking around, trying to get to the docs.

Also within this same time period I had a dream where one of my exes made a brief appearance, not doing anything at all...just there.  I realized that originally his birth name had been "Dragon," (he's Asian, but born here in the U.S.) since he was born in 1976, but his parents changed it when he was 2 to an American name so he wouldn't run into trouble later on with getting teased.  smile   So yeah, he seemed to serve the sole purpose of conveying the idea of "dragon."  Why, I don't know, but it's interesting.   I've never dreamed about dragons before that I can ever remember, so why now, I'd love to know.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Wow, cool dreams, Lyra -- don't know what they mean, though!  And isn't it funny how there was this "random celebrity cameo" of Dakota Fanning. That's what I call those dreams where there's a celebrity in the dream, it's like a cameo appearance or something.

Sometimes I find celebrity cameos serve as a "name placeholder" and the first name of the celebrity actually corresponds with a real person I know. Then if you analyze the dream as if it were the real person in the dream, the dream turns out to be psychically revealing some interesting info about the person.

So I'll, say, have a dream featuring Dennis Farina (he's been on Law and Order for a while)  and it turns out the dream is actually telling me about what my real friend named Dennis is up to.  Like my subconscious is communicating by using the celebrity instead of the real person to show me the name.

Know anybody named Dakota? Know anybody who lives in North or South Dakota?  smile

The other theme of the subterranean scary dragon is interesting....shows up several times in this thread, from Lono having an image of the red dragon chained up somewhere to Magical Mongoose and the descending dragon to your dream.

Hmm. Don't know what to make of it.

Keep sharing dragon stuff and dragon dreams, everyone! 

LM

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LipstickMystic wrote:

Wow, cool dreams, Lyra -- don't know what they mean, though!  And isn't it funny how there was this "random celebrity cameo" of Dakota Fanning. That's what I call those dreams where there's a celebrity in the dream, it's like a cameo appearance or something.

Sometimes I find celebrity cameos serve as a "name placeholder" and the first name of the celebrity actually corresponds with a real person I know. Then if you analyze the dream as if it were the real person in the dream, the dream turns out to be psychically revealing some interesting info about the person.

So I'll, say, have a dream featuring Dennis Farina (he's been on Law and Order for a while)  and it turns out the dream is actually telling me about what my real friend named Dennis is up to.  Like my subconscious is communicating by using the celebrity instead of the real person to show me the name.

Know anybody named Dakota? Know anybody who lives in North or South Dakota?  smile

I hear you about the name association thing, like with my ex, formerly named "Dragon," showing up probably to convey the idea of, well...dragon.  wink  So as far as Dakota goes, I don't know anybody by that name or anybody from there, and N/S Dakota doesn't mean anything to me, so the only thing I can guess is what does she represent, to me?   To me, I think of her as being a hybrid.  With her large alien-esque blue eyes, fair skin and blonde hair, even playing a hybrid with super powers in the mini-series "Taken," and maturity way behind her years, she's kind of freakish, but not in a bad way.  In the dream I was protective of her, I grabbed her hand and we ran to get away from the dragon who wanted to disintegrate us, and I was looking out for her, trying to hide her as well as myself from the big bad dragon.   Then taking into account that the dragon creature eminated a double helix - DNA? - from it as it rose up, along with a triangle, which is often times Brotherhood of the Snake symbolism, I'm wondering if it all has to do with Reptilians and the Grey alien hybrid breeding program, or what.  I still don't get it all, like, why am I being shown this??  What does it MEAN?  Makes no sense.   Dreams can never be straight forward.  wink

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.......we ran from the dragon.   I then had a premonition of how it was all going to end - we could run, but it was in vain.  We were going to be disintegrated by the dragon's fire.  Poof, burned up, gone.

running ... hiding ... fearing ... and all that stuff...

IS And IS

Truly in vain

YOU Came, Alchemist, For The Fire,

That Which WILL:

Transmute >>>>> Transform


>>>>> To Burn From With - In <<<<<


And YOU WILL Transcend



Eckhart saw hell, too. You know what he said? He said the only thing that burns in hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life-- your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So the way he sees it... if you're frightened of dying and you're holding on... you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels freeing you from the earth. It's just a matter of how you look at it, that's all.

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druid wrote:

I saw that gorific movie "Nowhere" (1997) a few days ago. The young people in this movie are almost all drug-and-sex-addict sociopaths. There is one guy who hallucinates reptilian humanoïds and one of his friend is kidnapped by one of them. One of the most traumatizing movie I ever saw. The reptilians are almost the most sympathetic protagonist in the movie!

OMG!  I saw that movie a long time ago too, and it traumatized me as well.  If I recall, it's one of those Indie movies, very strange and unsettling.

But if you ever really want to be traumatized (for whatever reason), rent May.  It's hands down the most chilling, creepy movie, and it has stayed with me for years.  I regret having watched it because some things can't be unseen once you've seen them.

Now, back to the topic at hand.... I've seen this thread of symbolism of dragons in underground caverns running through this thread as well.  I can only go more in depth about what was going on in my situation, and I hope it provides clues.  Basically, vivid imagery, feelings, and a storyline erupted in my that indicates this dragon was very, very old and very powerful.  Some "Evil king," as I was being told, had captured the dragon to use his powers.  What this resulted in was the dragon's life force being drained away.  So....leaving evil kings aside, who or what could and would do this?  It's never occurred to me before that this might have been an actual communication, so where do we go in exploring that possibility?

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Okay, time to share another true dragon story that might add more to this puzzle.

In the fall of 2005 my honey and I were up in the Lake Placid area driving around to different lakes in the area.  At one point we stopped at this famous waterfall area, I forget the name of it, where you can walk up high on these walkways through this beautiful mountain gorge and also stand right next to this huge, powerful waterfall.  There are mountains above.

Okay, so I'm just walking along taking pictures, not trying to tune in or anything.  And I notice this weird big rock jutting out from the side of the gorge, and it has a hole in it at the top that maybe is about four feet in diameter.  And I find myself drawn to looking down that hole.  My honey is off taking pictures at this point, nobody is really around.  And I find myself doing a dimensional shift.  Looking into that hole sort of puts me in a trance and I'm suddenly in psychic mode.

And I perceive, with massive clarity, that there is a dragon down below, a live, old, sad, dragon, and I can just see his face, and I suddenly have a telepathic connection with him that conveys more emotion than linear thought....and I suddenly feel like I am glimpsing an ancient being who is very tired of this physical realm and very, very sad for some reason.  And that he is physically alive. I also sense that he is deep beneath the ground, hundreds of feet down or more, but that this hole is an air shaft and a place that conveys a certain amount of sunlight so he gets a little light.

And I don't know what to do with this moment of connection, I'm so surprised by it.  It felt like I was peeking into a prisoner's cage, the cage of someone who has been brutalized and horribly beaten down.  This was some time after my honey and I had had that interesting communication with the rock dragon who almost materialized in the physical in the woods near our home years back.  So my only reference for a physical dragon was thinking about happy dragons like that one. That rock dragon we'd communicated with was so playful and joyful and LIGHT.

This dragon felt huge, ancient, and immensely intelligent.  I felt no ill will from him, he wasn't "evil," and he didn't read like the negative reptilian humanoids or any ET's and their horrible energy. This was the energy of someone in great pain - whether physical and psychic, I couldn't be sure - and was resigned to this pain to a certain extent.

When Lono mentioned having that vision of the dragon who had been chained up and was having his energies exploited in some way, I immediately thought of this dragon.  I tried to send this dragon loving intentions and find out more about why he was suffering, but you know how when someone is blinded by pain or grief, they can't really communicate and they don't want to?  It felt like that. I couldn't reach across the psychic divide to get a clear sense of what was going on.

After that I was trying to scan the energy of that area to see if the ley lines were terribly disturbed or see if I could get any sniff of black magic and so forth being done in the area, thinking maybe somebody had used the dragon in black magic rituals and someone bent him to their will.  There were some weird mixes of energies there, but because the chi or life force of the waterfall is so powerful, it seems to break up most of the ick pretty nicely, and I didn't sense any dark areas that felt horrible or anything.

Just that one rock with the hole.......and a dragon below.

So....I don't know what to make of that.  I never really got more information about what was going on there. I was kind of in shock because, again, you're dealing with the idea of physical dragons being real, and you're also dealing with the idea that they aren't just some cute dinosaurs running around being dumb, but they are ancient creatures with a vast, complex intelligence.

And this one was NOT happy.

So....there is something going on with subterranean spaces, dragons, and enslavement, and it's wild how so often "hell" is depicted as a suberranean place with winged creatures in it.  And think about the artwork...the "Devil" is often in chains or he has people and creatures with him who are in chains.

But this dragon was NOT demonic.  He felt kind of like the 90 year olds I used to know when my honey's mom, who was also in her 90's at the time, was at an assisted living facility.  Some of them bore their age very lightly, and didn't seem their age (that was his mom.) Others, you could tell, were feeling every accumulated minute of the 90 some years they'd been stuck on this planet, their bodies wracked by chronic, ongoing pain from various incurable ailments, and they were broken down psychically. They had given up and wanted to leave the body. 

This was the feeling I got from this dragon....only it was as if I was sensing a being who had lived for thousands of years, not decades. An immense, palpable, mysterious mind, who meant me no harm, but who was very unhappy about his situation.

Was he chained up? Was he psychically imprisoned? Had humans put him there?  What was going on? 

I don't know.

All I know is that he was praying for death, and I couldn't alleviate his pain.   Very sad. I think it's good that I finally share his story, because I've been sort of inching up to it. And it does raise a lot of questions about just what has been going on underground and who's living there. I didn't sense that the dragon was hanging out with humanoid reptilians, I got more of the sense of him being stuck in isolation somehow without anybody around.

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

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this topic/thread is actually very important and very very interesting.  i think the "secrets"  or the history of the planet, galactically, lies behind, and IS, can explain, the why of things.  the how, and why of things, STUFF, in general.  the 'mysteries.'  from satan, lucifer, the devil, winged creatures, angels, dragons, reptilians, magic, sorcery, control, domination and dominion, by "kings", the "rulership" of earth.  ANCIENT history can and prob does, tell the story.  the prob is how does one get that?  so many sources, and its well, ancient!   the story is tied up in there somewhere, somehow.  how IT/that happened, and all of IT, actually.  that particular dragon story up there is quite sad, and got to me.  i felt for that dragon, coulda cried.  and how u stated that and how lono's dream was similar.  the comparisons too with the oldies at the home.  spiritual depression and weariness is what it is.  it can get to ya after awhile here.  (thats why the so in love with the warrior gig and will have to show that today, a cool thing on that from stuie). somehow the thread of archangel michael always comes up, and we know who he is.  it has to do with the fall of man, the angelic fallen deal, and the "sins" type deal here, of man, but thats all tied in with the fallen aspect again.  its that "fall" thats so mythological here, and religious, and such a big story. but it is from and goes to a heart angle somehow, and the fire aspect thats displayed up there, a burning from beneath the earth, a cleansing thing.  a michael with a sword thing, and medieval/myth stuff, where it really was paramount (when the sickest most vile kings ruled, after atlantis, egypt, sumeria, babylonia, etc).

anyway, the concept of dragons and their powers, and their archetype is, to me, like that of ancient power, knowledge, yet with the heart of a dog.  assist man.  like how dogs love man, and nobody knows where they really came from.  we have said this before--"science" says the origin of the dog is unknown, and theyre not all sprung from wolves.  synonymously, then where do dragons come from?  not sprung from reps.  but there are ties to dogs and wolves, and reps, to/with dragons.  so the connection that comes to me, is that dragons and man belong together, not enemies, and dogs and man go together, not enemies.  it feels like dogs and dragons have similar feelings, concerns for man.  and vice versa.  such communication there.  and SiriArc's totally cool (as usual) pictoral illustration embodies that.  see that warrior with the sword.  it somehow embodies the "fight" going on, and were in it together.  with the dragons.  its pure dragon heart to me.  dog-heart and dragon-heart.  so, after all the reading done over many years, it somehow, leads to the deal of the original wars here, and the idea of the takeover for dominion, by the evil hand of false kings.  the falsest of the false.  the very very worst kind of 'rule'  done by sorcery.  by pure evil, for malicious intent.  a killing or a slaying, and/or a chaining of the source forces.  for manipulation, greed, malfeasance, the prevention of 'good' even.  so there are tons and tons of stories, even reports, by channelers, myth tellers, bards, etc etc-- of how it 'started.'  interestingly though, even if dates are 'off' it all starts with invasion, war, programming, more war, sorcery, black magic, and such, and goes on and on to modern day, all reflected by what happened in the 'beginning.'  BUT it all sounds the same.  its always the same players, the same aliens, the same ET's.  there are reams of info on it, but it all washes out to be really, the same story.  the only thing that changes in it, is the role of the players, the timelines, sometimes less or more infiltration, (ALWAYS INFILTRATION and layers of deceit), betrayal, changes of intent, invasion, re-invasion, conquering races, then war again, new winners, new losers, new prisoners, new allegiances, old alliances, round and round.  so i wanted to show a possibility here.  and it could go on for days and be so redundant, but how about this...there are many many more, but for the sake of posting today, just picked this one. nordics and the underground, the cave systems, all the stuff "beneath" gets in here, and is even connected with deserts, all the time, devils, deserts, evil, fire burning, heat.  hiding, the occult, down below stuff, and how KINGS were/are the evil outcome of the the program, to keep man and dragon BOUND, ruled, chained, in depths.  lots of sorrow, pain, tiresome binding, done by a human king no doubt, prob in betrayal.

A Brief Cosmology of events leading up to the NOW

350000 B.C. - Fear based ego contamination spreads through this Universe like a wildfire eventually contaminating even to the base levels of eternal verities in the Creator Laboratory. Mass sentience has degenerated into a mass of arrogant, violent rebels who begin to use their intelligence to develop destructive weapons and mind control technology.  the fear has been shown to be a virus in other sources.

300000 B.C. Beings within this life wave corrupted their knowledge and take it to the extreme by trying to fuse science with sorcery, in collaboration with fallen verities. Strange genetic spawns are formed by sorcerer- scientists who are intent on playing god, these beings become the drone armies. Spiritual circuitry is severed in this sector of the galaxy. This manifests on this planet as huge global tectonic collapses and, under tremendous pressure, the underground magma reservoirs explode out through the crust via the mid-oceanic rifts, sending huge geysers of basalt-laden waters miles into the sky, where it disperses through and consolidates with the mist-like atmosphere of the planet, which in turn 'primes' the hydrodynamic cycle. Emptied of their contents, vast subterranean caverns form which are later colonized, and mountain ranges and continents are pushed upwards. Sorcerer-scientists on the island-continent Atlantis open up a rift in hyperspace as an experiment with crystal-based electromagnetic manipulation goes out of control, releasing electromagnetic 'subspace fallout' for thousands of years to come. These 'Atlanteans' try to escape the global cataclysm by taking refuge in the underground caverns below the east coast of North America and western Europe. Many however perish from suffocation, starvation, or from drowning as their bases are flooded.

200000 B.C. - The center of human civilization is in a lush kingdom in the Gobi region of central Asia. Blue-eyed, blond- haired humans, in alliance with a tall humanoid branch known as the 'Nepheli', wage war against the reptilian empire in Antarctica. The Gobians, in a desperate measure to defend their infiltrated and threatened society, use an experimental super-weapon [a cobalt warhead?] against the Antarcticans, and the explosion knocks the planet off its axial alignment and sends most advanced cultures back into the stone age, except for those who escape underground in order to maintain their scientific continuity. When the planet stabilizes, the poles have shifted. The Gobi begins to turn into an inhospitable desert, burying the remains of the pre-Nordic kingdom under tons of sand; and Antarctica is turned into a frozen wasteland, which in turn buries the remnants of the reptilian empire under tons of ice. Wholly Mammoths in Siberia are frozen solid almost overnight. With their main center of power shattered, reptilian forces in secret outposts all over the planet band together and are forced to take refuge within huge cavern systems that had been discovered underground which remained intact. These multi-leveled hydrothermal caverns become their new abode, especially a massive underground system centered below the general region of Nepal and stretching from Benares India to Lake Manosarowar, Tibet. Many of the former Gobi 'Nordics' also escape underground, into recently discovered cavern systems below the general region of Mongolia and central Asia. As with the reptiloids, the 'Nordics' carefully conceal the entrances to these underground realms, in order to protect themselves from unwanted intruders.

Lower down, the Reptilian and Nordic cavern systems intersect, leading to inevitable underground conflicts between the two super-powers. Other Nordics migrate westward and give rise to those tribes ...which will eventually become the Scandinavians, whereas other more fanatical factions invade India [the 'Aryan' invasion of the Indian sub-continent] and bring with them their 'Hindu' traditions of 'gods', who were essentially humans or 'ancient astronauts' from earth, utilizing sophisticated technology. The reptilians and their underground 'snake-world' also appear.  as do devils, reptoid creatures, etc etc. a species war  continues, against each other, first within the caverns of Asia, then within the caverns of the Americas and other continents, then a war for domination of the air, and finally taking their conflict to the Moon and Mars. Fallen elements of the human and serpent [beast] races begin to develop genetically-engineered bodies to be used by their Luciferian masters in order for their masters to operate in and manipulate 3rd dimensional matter and technology. Fallen elements from the three creations: angels, humans, and beasts, are now fully collaborating as part of Lucifer's ancient rebellion and conspiracy against the creative plan.

They then systematically erode the collective soul matrix and assimilate the population into their group memory complex, effectively replacing the soul history of the population with their own memories, turning them into drones. This is exactly what elements of that collective are attempting to do here now on this planet...those of the highest good are dominated, and the leaders are driven by purpose alone which manifests as selfish ambition. Many world leaders are totally under the control of the dark forces and negative ET's, many actually have had physical surgery to implant cybernetic control mechanisms. The peoples of the earth are used by the collective to serve the empire in a similar fashion as peasants serve a king or dictator, yet on a much larger and more tragic scale.

Rather then a bottom-up flow of CHAOS, the fallen verities who would try to counterfeit true spiritual LIFE, rule. You will know them by their 'fruits', and by their obsession with materialism, and their advocation of material means for salvation of spirit, for instance so-called salvation by surrendering to a psionic- electronic COLLECTIVE which discourages free agency, sovereignty, creativity, liberty and self-expression. Such a false 'salvation' or rulership, tends to KILL the spirit rather than set it free.  Unbounded non-spiritual material appetites rule, just like that, of their rebel/fallen angelic masters.

The Draconian collective considers the 'Federated Worlds' to be the only obstacle standing in the way of full galactic assimilation and conquest. They are especially hostile to those hard-core non-interventionists who would try to police the galaxy in an effort to prevent interventionist forces from interfering with the sovereignty and destinies of independent worlds.

the deal is IMO, that the dragons of are of the light/good/man side, and the reps are of the darker KINGSHIP evil  side.  the kings, some black, dark, evil magicians, in the day, chained that dragon, and used it, or prevented it from giving man a hand, from partaking in the fight, to assist MAN, to free the world from that virus, or that evil dominion.  and its all symbolic, yet real.  its to do with the 'sides' and the infiltration of the world, and rulership, by the fallen.  the fallen keep trying to run the show, and man, and friend=dragon, with its liberating archetypal symbology may represent the here goes..."good/light/love" side of man, and the universe.  man and dragon slay the false rulership.  there is the dark side to man, and the dragon, but they unite, respect each other, and assist each other, and share force and knowledge, to work, to battle together, to shake of the influence of the fallen. to go up against the kings, both are in the same boat. they are aligned with each other, against the opposing forces.  so much spiritual symbology and myth, but anchored in some sort of definite reality.  then i wanna show some alien races here, and it shows their thinking.  no doubt about it tho, the evil kingship is behind the mess here. from kingship to corporations=same.  how the caverns and the rock formations were formed is in there, the underground. etc.  notice too, how devils are associated with deserts. and underground bases r under deserts. in caves.  myth is more real than reality to me.  sci-fi is more real than fantasy, fantasy is the 'real reality.'  that dragon was chained down there for eons, and felt u up there, like a dog thats wants off his chain.  chain him long enuf, hes ferocious, and then just pleads to die, rather than remain chained.  it was asking for ur help. omg.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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i think we can safely say that the dragon has no kinship with reps, but is a flying creation that may be sentient.  like whales.  theres so much confusion because of the wings and the ferocity--confused with reps but no real connection genetically thats easy to see, so thats why a friend of man.  see the multilayer confusion, mistaken identity, the pitfall of appearance and being fooled easily here.  that SPEAKS BIG.  all that is symbology, yet real too.  wolf in sheeps clothing, all the great fairytale warnings from the medieval ages come out with the warrior concept, the rotten monarchy, church deal then, the dragons fighting with or against michael?  knights, swords.  the medieval ages was when kingship began to be questioned and revealed more and more for the hypocrisy it displayed.  real tides started to turn then, during the time of the MOST dragon stories.  villagers were real afraid of the flying fire-breathing beasts.  kings sent out knights to kill them, the dragon-slayers but??????  why was that?  i think we can see that.  another trick.  to destroy the very beings that coulda helped out maybe.  and helped to destroy the kings, which we still havent accomplished.  still bound in chains.  want to show the underground alien races here.  im sure there r more, but it all leads to the real fact that there are the underground worlds, and the dragons hide there, and in forests, but thats not their real domain really, for theyre from that 3.5-4.0 dimension as LM says, and they resent being chained in 3.0 3D with their frickin enemies.  now, thats HELL.  i see that paradox.  its all amazing.  and its all tied into the dilemma.  its power and force, and its seen by the masses in the very opposite, wrong light by many.  and since we know the monarchy/illuminati r rep driven, clear as a bell.  the great dragon is not an ET nor a rep fashioned creature, nor is a dog a wolf.  AHA. and in medieval times, the renaissance and the idea of romanticism bloomed, the magna carta was issued then, the rights of man, after all the burning and slaughter, and fiefdom domination became more understood by the masses from the dark ages previous to, when plaques, poverty, beheadings, incest, murder (HEY!!!! nuthin ever changes here! hahaha) were the nature of the day.  dragons appeared in myth alot then and then later.  theres a big historical connection.  dragons=sovereignity, freedom, unbound power of beast and man alike. 

AGHARIANS - (or Aghartians)
A group of Asiatic or Nordic humans who, sources claim, discovered a vast system of caverns below the region of the Gobi desert and surrounding areas thousands of years ago, and have since established a thriving kingdom within, one which has been interacting with other-planetary systems up until current times. Vast cavern systems below Tibet allegedly link the Agharti systems of central Asia to "Snakeworld", a multileveled cavern system under the southwestern slopes of the Himalayas where the "Nagas" dwell, according to Hindu legend. Here a serpent cult of human and reptilian collaborators dwells, one which is said to have had contact with the Nazi Thule society during World War II. Long ago an Asian prince is said to have led several militant followers -- warrior monks -- into the caves and came in conflict with this serpent cult. Following the conflict the reptilians and collaborating forces were driven out, however in recent centuries they have regained some ground.

ALPHA-DRACONIANS
Reptilian beings who are said to have established colonies in Alpha Draconis. Like all reptilians, these claim to have originated on Terra thousands of years ago, a fact that they use to 'justify' their attempt to re-take the earth for their own. They are apparently a major part of a planned 'invasion' which is eventually turning from covert infiltration mode to overt invasion mode as the "window of opportunity" (the time span before International human society becomes an interplanetary and interstellar power) slowly begins to close. They are attempting to keep the "window" open by suppressing advanced technology from the masses, which would lead to eventual Terran colonization of other planets by Earth and an eventual solution to the population, pollution, food and other environmental problems.

I LOVE THIS PART--"Being that Terrans have an inbred "warrior" instinct the Draconians DO NOT want them/us to attain interstellar capabilities and therefore become a threat to their imperialistic agendas (Draconian)."

ANAKIM, THE
(also referred to the 'Els', short for 'Elder Race' or simply as the 'Giants'). Referred to in ancient Hebrew tradition, this race is allegedly tied-in with a branch of ancient humans who broke-off from mainstream humanity because of their vast size which had developed over the centuries, possibly as a result of a genetic anomaly. They are said to range anywhere from 9-11 ft. and in some cases even 12 ft. in height, although in configuration they are remarkably similar to 'International' humans. Are said to possess a means of molecular condensing and expansion which allows some of their kind to mingle among humans on the surface. They have allegedly been encountered in deep and extensive cavern systems below the western part of North America, as far north as Alaska, as far south as Mexico, and as far east as Texas. They are believed to have interstellar traveling capabilities.

ATLANS
These are humans, usually described as being benevolent by comparison to other groups, who are said to inhabit vast and complex cavern-cities beneath southern Brazil and surrounding regions. The term 'Atlantean' or 'Atlan' in reference to these races, has been placed upon them because of the fact that these cavern networks along the east coast of Brazil were reportedly once a part of the antediluvian 'Atlantean' empire. The present inhabitants have no direct GENETIC relation to the ancient 'Atlantean' society which is said to have controlled these cavern systems several millennia ago, but are referred to as 'Atlanteans' simply because they are descendants of those who re-discovered and inhabited the ancient Atlan installations. As in North America and other continents, both common and gnome-like Atlan humans have been encountered here, and there are connections with South America, especially the Matto Grosso region where a sister city named POSID exists in a large cavern system underground.

BURROWERS
Another mutation of the saurian or serpent race that is capable of burrowing through the earth. Possibly quadrupedal as well as be-pedal, these have been known to use their natural 'boring' abilities to create artificial tunnels like moles, or even spontaneously produced 'cave-ins' (the latter has allegedly been used in attempts to entrap or kill unsuspecting intruders into the underground domains). These may possess a highly- developed 'bio-sensing' system.

GREENS, THE
Humans of 'normal' size, yet who possess an olive-green skin color. They claim to be from a subterranean or cavernous realms beneath Europe which they refer to as 'St. Martin's Land'.

The Reptilian race is the other extraterrestrial race that is most negative, destructive, and evil in their intent. These extraterrestrials are human in shape, however, have reptilian type faces. They also have scales which makes their skin water proof. They have three fingers with an opposing thumb. Their mouth is more like a slit. They average from six to seven feet in height. They are well suited for space travel because they are able to hibernate. They are cold blooded biologically, so must have a balanced environment to maintain body temperature. The soldier class can bury themselves in the ground and wait long periods of time in order to ambush an enemy. The leader of this specie are called the Draco. They have special wings, which are like flaps of skin. There is a second group of their race that does not have wings. The soldier class and scientists of their race don't. In an emergency they can survive on one very large meal every few weeks. These Reptilians have been interacting with Earth for a very long time. In their home system they apparently live underground. Also in this Reptilian society are the Draco who are the winged Reptilians first in command. Secondly the Draco who are the non winged Reptilians.

there is so much to all of this.  we're of 'em and we fight 'em.  its said they think they own the place.  and were not supposed to be here.  they have always owned it, and live underground, with other races, yet we have those giant interstellar ships.  all i really figured out is that the dragon is not reptoid.  and doesnt like living underground.  the dragon may be the real and yet symbolical side of man, as in another hybrid type of creature that has a capacity for great sentience, heart emotion, integrity, and is in warrior mode.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Zenden,

Great posts and great pieces that you're bringing together here.

I found an interesting page that talks more about the hollow earth theory and people's experiences in inner earth......and at the end there is a section by someone (probably an ET channeler type, I don't know the original source) talking about Agartha, one of the inner realms or subterranean societies that was founded by the ancient Lemurians.

http://www.angelfire.com/trek/hollowearth/

There are pieces here that stitch together somehow....

And yes, I think your analogy of how a dog is not a wolf is very apt in regarding how a dragon is not a reptilian humanoid.  Connections, yes, but not the same.

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

PS  And yes, I was very saddened by sensing that dragon deep below ground because not only could I not do anything for him, but even trying to get to grips with the how, what, where, why is kind of mind-boggling and impossible for the tiny human brain! smile  I almost didn't WANT to know more, which I'm ashamed of, because here was a creature in vast pain who had been in pain a very long time.  What to do?  What's the whole story? Why is this happening? Is it all about other civilizations and fragments of different groups who live underground, with their own societies, mores, problems, etc?  And why are the other dragons so different, the ones that are more like happy elemental beings of fire, earth, water who can communicate easily with sensitive humans from their vantage point in 3.5 D or 4 D?  How did those dragons end up free and not enchained while others have been physically imprisoned?

And what is the DEAL with the tradition of the dragon slayer? It is SUCH a pervasive and powerful archetype. Just the other day I was look at new fantasy novels at the bookstore and there are still endless stories about DragonFolk, DragonKin, Dragon Kings, Humans who work with Dragon Kings or become Dragon Kings......

...which have a different vibes from negative reptilian humanoids as depicted in that 80's TV miniseries "V".  Those aren't the dragons. They're something else.

LM

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lyra wrote:

I hear you about the name association thing, like with my ex, formerly named "Dragon," showing up probably to convey the idea of, well...dragon.    So as far as Dakota goes, I don't know anybody by that name or anybody from there, and N/S Dakota doesn't mean anything to me, so the only thing I can guess is what does she represent, to me?   To me, I think of her as being a hybrid.  With her large alien-esque blue eyes, fair skin and blonde hair, even playing a hybrid with super powers in the mini-series "Taken," and maturity way behind her years, she's kind of freakish, but not in a bad way.  In the dream I was protective of her, I grabbed her hand and we ran to get away from the dragon who wanted to disintegrate us, and I was looking out for her, trying to hide her as well as myself from the big bad dragon.   Then taking into account that the dragon creature eminated a double helix - DNA? - from it as it rose up, along with a triangle, which is often times Brotherhood of the Snake symbolism, I'm wondering if it all has to do with Reptilians and the Grey alien hybrid breeding program, or what.  I still don't get it all, like, why am I being shown this??  What does it MEAN?  Makes no sense.   Dreams can never be straight forward.

Dakota is you.

LipstickMystic wrote:

And what is the DEAL with the tradition of the dragon slayer? It is SUCH a pervasive and powerful archetype. Just the other day I was look at new fantasy novels at the bookstore and there are still endless stories about DragonFolk, DragonKin, Dragon Kings, Humans who work with Dragon Kings or become Dragon Kings......

...which have a different vibes from negative reptilian humanoids as depicted in that 80's TV miniseries "V".  Those aren't the dragons. They're something else.

Fantasy/SF switched from exploring ideas to "message mode" about a decade ago. All those stories about humans joining or working with the dragon archetype... preparation?

We're all butterflies flapping our wings and changing the world.

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i follow LM.  its in "here" somewhere.  man, 'the story' takes many twists and turns.  and with all that frickin infiltration (aha--the parastic forces, the virus, the in-vaders, all the insertions, and switcheraoo and matrix plots, all the betrayals, and the alignments, my god--hard to know or believe where to end, start, etc) -- but somehow it has to do with the duality thing, the dark vs the light side.  and can be interpreted as the duality, and the failure, to advance.  that rep race cannot advance nor can the illuminati if stuck doing screwed up deeds.  so dragons and man can and have, and will, advance/evolve. and somehow, the fallen in there, which is the embodiment into flesh, and not a mistake nor a sin, but a necessity apparently to be able to play the game here, all is wrapped up in the good vs evil scenario, with white wizards vs black/dark wizards.  an aside, but research shows, frequently goes back to THE SONS OF BAAL/BELIAL  vs  THE SONS OF THE LAW OF ONE. on that note.   ive tried hard to check that and have found, even when tracing ALL the damn way back, that even that/IT takes a circuitous route--turn.  i even found that one becomes the other or at least starts to look like it, the last 3rd-4th of the way thru.  they actually "switch" roles/intent, or whatever the deal is.  that was disappointing and confusing to say the least  and i pretty much halted the search on that after awhile.  stymied sorta.  but the overall "hunt" goes on. 

i hear ya--not even relenting on the all the myth and lore nowadays, still being fashioned in movies, books, etc on dragons and their buddies, and slayers, who learn they arent the enemy, they usually end up in collusion, and one or the other is sorta sacrificed, in a good way.  theres a brand new movie out too, replay--again, of the dragon slayer "chosen one" that does the deal.  there's something on that too--the chosen one, or the chosen ones.  i feel sometimes, that the resurrection of the memories of medieval times, knights, courageous roles to play, romanticism and fantasy, is burning in the hearts, and collective consciousness, every now and again, and more like AGAIN the past few years, that speaks to wanting to slay the dark, eliminate the "evil scourge" type stuff from the earth.  its real heroic, very archetypal.  i read and cant find it, that many ppl are/have been triggered by round-table knight memories at first, then remember king arthur stuff, cuz its so obvious and well-known.  WTH--whatever it takes.  im gonna keep digging. see that?  digging== hollow earth, the occult, what is buried, underground, the underground societies u spoke of.  they do exist.  and i hear/have read theyre tired of the morass of crap too, and want out and up.  were all related somehow, even genetically.  man--what a mess.  but so darn fun to dabble with.  i wish u coulda helped, but how?  maybe by intent in prayers to free him, and the rest of stuff thats chained and bound.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Basically, vivid imagery, feelings, and a storyline erupted in my that indicates this dragon was very, very old and very powerful.  Some ‘Evil king,’ as I was being told, had captured the dragon to use his powers.  What this resulted in was the dragon's life force being drained away.

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I also sense that he is deep beneath the ground, hundreds of feet down or more, but that this hole is an air shaft and a place that conveys a certain amount of sunlight so he gets a little light.

It felt like I was peeking into a prisoner's cage, the cage of someone who has been brutalized and horribly beaten down.

This dragon felt huge, ancient, and immensely intelligent.

This was the energy of someone in great pain - whether physical and psychic, I couldn't be sure - and was resigned to this pain to a certain extent.

.......they are ancient creatures with a vast, complex intelligence.

This was the feeling I got from this dragon....only it was as if I was sensing a being who had lived for thousands of years, not decades. An immense, palpable, mysterious mind, who meant me no harm, but who was very unhappy about his situation.

And yes, I was very saddened by sensing that dragon deep below ground because not only could I not do anything for him.......

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LM, sounds like the place you visited in upstate NY was Ausable Chasm.  There is a gorge there called "Mystic Gorge", how apprapo!:)

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I was too lazy yesterday to get out the brochures we had kept when we went there....we were at High Falls Gorge, which is at Whiteface Mountain. I can't remember if Ausable chasm is below there? I don't think so?  I think that's somewhere else? Correct me if I'm wrong, I dont' remember much about the area because we drove around a lot of places and it's a bit of a blur. But it was while walking around High Falls Gorge that I found that special spot with the hole in the rock.

http://www.highfallsgorge.com/

LM

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Its a little bit north of where you were. Its  part of the gorge system along the Ausable River.
http://www.ausablechasm.com

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