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Another piece or two of not-so-hidden symbolism in V:

V takes Evie out onto the roof after her prison ordeal.  She is washed by the rain.  It looked like a baptism to me.  And, the scene was intercut with scenes of V walking through the flames at Larkhill.  Baptism by water/baptism by fire. 

In esoteric Christianity, the baptism by water is the first baptism (symbolizing one's departure from the world of "A" influences); baptism by fire is the second baptism(symbolizing an alchemical fusion that marks the end of ego's reign, the end of studenthood and the beginning of Mastery).

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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Synchronicity...(maybe)

After reading this thread, and contemplating V's symbols (especially the roses), I heard a blurb on the news about Jill Carroll.  Jill Carroll is an American journalist who was kidnapped by insurgents and held for weeks.  She's now been released--despite the many threats to kill her.

Anyway, the newscaster said (paraphrased): "...Ms. Carroll was touched to find a single rose on her dinner plate on the plane ride home."

I heard this right after I'd been contemplating roses and whatever their meaning could be in mind control.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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Dreamosis wrote:

.......baptism by fire is the second baptism(symbolizing an alchemical fusion that marks the end of ego's reign, the end of studenthood and the beginning of Mastery).

To Burn From With-In

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Marcus wrote:

Firstly I don't think Evie nor V were Anarchists...

anarchist
n : an advocate of anarchism [syn: nihilist, syndicalist]

Okay, maybe I'm nitpicking, but I think any dictionary that equates an anarchist with nihilism was written by a plug-in.

I would say Evie and V were anarchists--not because they "believed in nothing" or wanted chaos, but because they believed people do not need to be and shouldn't be micro-controlled.   

Anarchy supposes that human beings are wise enough to live their lives without being ruled from above by an authority figure.  (An=without; archy=rule).

Many people read into anarchy the absence of a moral code, but it is only an interpretation (an overextension of the root of "rule.")  Anarchy could also be interpreted as just being without central, vertically-deferred-to authority figures who are set up as lords over others.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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What an amazing movie.  Definitely a wake up call for people.  When I saw this thread today I noticed the viewcount was 1111 smile

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The bottom line -- the message to be gleaned from all of this -- is that you either stand up for human freedom -- the SPIRITUAL SOVEREIGNTY of EACH AND EVERY HUMAN CREATURE -- and the protection of the individual rights of all people which necessarily follows such recognition -- or you don't.   THAT is the only battle which exists now or has EVER existed for human beings on this planet, period.

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In esoteric Christianity, the baptism by water is the first baptism (symbolizing one's departure from the world of ‘A’ influences); baptism by fire is the second baptism(symbolizing an alchemical fusion that marks the end of ego's reign, the end of studenthood and the beginning of Mastery).

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Thanks Siri Arc.  I'm finding it hard to understand how I missed this thread!  But, I'll be back as they say in the movies...

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

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I dunno if his is the right thread to work this in. I started to watch V the TV miniseries last night.
http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0916/

Morningsun76 just mentioned it in another thread so maybe these are all interrelated.
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 806#p52806

But it's fresh in my head and both relate at least that there is the imposition of a fascist militant controlling force with a strong media/propaganda arm and a small resistance force that sees through the BS and is struggling to reveal the truth and resist oppression. I'm feeling really frustrated, disgusted, and irrelevant today but I'll cut my rant short. Basically everyone keeps telling me you have to lie and exaggerate in order to be successful and they know because that's what they did and all the successful people they know did.

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Interesting.....( http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTP2/UPDAT … -11-11.htm )
( http://www.atgpress.com/inform/gov073.htm )
( http://www.atgpress.com/kifap/britcol/b1.htm )
( http://www.atgpress.com/kifap/know0014.htm )

~JOYce~

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sinaptix wrote:

I dunno if his is the right thread to work this in. I started to watch V the TV miniseries last night.

Probably not, V For Vendetta is a totally different movie and unrelated to V: The Original Miniseries.   Not surprisingly, there's already a thread about V: The Miniseries here at NR.  Maybe you can post your thoughts about it there, and resurrect an old thread!

Incidentally, just so you know, it started with V: The Original Miniseries, which was good.   Then came V: The TV Series, which I never saw but heard was pretty lousy and had no budget.   Then they finished it off with another miniseries called V: The Final Battle.    That was good too, and finished what the Original Miniseries started.   So the middle part, the TV series, is probably pretty skip-able.


sinaptix wrote:

I'm feeling really frustrated, disgusted, and irrelevant today but I'll cut my rant short. Basically everyone keeps telling me you have to lie and exaggerate in order to be successful and they know because that's what they did and all the successful people they know did.

Yes, it's true.   Lying and cheating is effective, but kind of small potatoes.  The real shortcut to success is to just get it over with and cut the throats of anyone who even LOOKS like they might threaten your pathway to power.    I mean, if you're going to play dark-sider, why muck around with all that lesser stuff?   Hehe. 

Reminds me of that scene in the movie Casino, which took place right after the government raided the mafia casinos.   All the  old mafia heads are sitting around the table, talking about which lower-ranking mobsters might know too much, and figuring out who they are going to have to kill to protect themselves from prosecution.  They finally get to discussing one guy, who everyone agrees is loyal and will definitely will not rat them out:

Vinny Forlano: He won't talk. Stone is a good kid. Stand-up guy, just like his old man. That's the way I see it.
Vincent Borelli: I agree. He's solid. A fuckin' Marine.
Americo Capelli: He's okay. He always was. Remo, what do you think?
Remo Gaggi: Look... why take a chance? At least, that's the way I feel about it.

Heeey, why take a chance, ya know?  big_smile

So, yeah ... lying, cheating and killing is one way to get to "the top."   The question is, the top of WHAT?  And are you sure you really WANT to be there?

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morningsun76 wrote:

Probably not, V For Vendetta is a totally different movie and unrelated to V: The Original Miniseries.

Ah, but what he said was:

sinaptix wrote:

But it's fresh in my head and both relate at least that there is the imposition of a fascist militant controlling force with a strong media/propaganda arm and a small resistance force that sees through the BS and is struggling to reveal the truth and resist oppression.

I think it is relevent.  In fact, I even mention the 1984 "V" miniseries in my "V For Vendetta" write up on my website.  So sinaptix isn't the only one making this connection.   Both utilize the red spray painted "V";  Both have a Nazi-esque fascist group decked out in red and black who have taken over a society;  Both have small resistence fighter groups that against all odds, manage to overthrow the bad guys. 

So, I disagree, I think it is relevent in that it's the same repeating theme played out in a different way.  No harm in mentioning it.  But that's just me.

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Lyra, you're right.  I noticed those things when V For Vendetta first came out.   It just didn't occur to me now.