the truth behind Montalk (Page 2 of 4)

I came across Montalk.net while at the forum at Grillflame. I had read all of Gerald's articles (from probablefuture.com) and thought alot of it made sense. But there was something still eating away at my thoughts. I kept thinking there was something missing. When I found Tom's site, it was like, "Bingo!  Okay, here's some stuff that fills in the gaps". I don't know much about OP's personally. I think if there is such a thing, that I probably have many in my life. I am cautious about everything I read, and I take it ALL with a grain of salt.

I have not found the Truth. I'm still looking and assimilating. I read, read, read, until my eyes hurt, my housework is neglected, and my brain is fried. I don't take everything Tom says as gospel, but I do know that his intentions are admirable and he's simply collecting information from many different places and collecting them in a cohesive manner at his awesome website.

Any information that adds to this truth-seeking forum is always welcome, but please do so with respect for the forum-keeper. If you can intelligently add some insights without dissing anyone, then let's have it. If the only thing you want to do is debunk without regards to Tom's (or anyone else's) feelings, then go somewhere else and do it.

Personally, I would like to hear more about OP's in general, but without attitude and insult. Debunking is not necessary here. Intelligent observation and conversation is what is required to get to the truth.  Adding your insights to the forum could be very valuable to all of us.  And of course, questioning things comes natural. I question alot of what I read here, but I keep the conversation to myself until I can intelligently and respectfully come up with a counter view.

And yeah, what Soloflecks said, too...

the incarnation is prepared in the spiritual world before birth for karmic retribution and resolution, and this karma links us to many people. We are karmically linked to everybody we know now and will know in our life. Everybody's karma is entangled with the other's is a great web of karmic relations. This can be changed, but we cannot escape from it or cut ourselves from it.  OPs are elements of Fate that we encounter in our life. Freedom is the opposite pole, it resides on how we react, and we need to choose how to react.

Oh you poor thing!  I actually feel your embarrassment.  Yes, Montalk is Tom, a very real person who is simply distilling his experiences and research for the benefit of others on the path.

hello everyone!!!:D 
i know this isnt the place for introductions, but i figure everyone will eventually be reading this topic...  im not new to montalk.net, but never felt the urge to join the forum, or even read it till now...  in fact this is the first forum i've ever joined.  i've read every word that im aware of on the site and i have always resonated with tom's ideas. 

anyways... im happy to join the family at such an opportune time and will periodically post most likely after i read through a lot of it.

Transcix, please get to the point... i doubt Montalk is going to ban you...  im very interested in what you have to say.  i also doubt that Montalk is offended in any way... after all, isnt it each person's choice to be offended?  it's a two-way street, right?

i say, be an ass all you want... it's your choice... we will all learn from this one, i can feel it.  because there's definitely a lot of people that look up to Tom on this forum.  a great opportunity for us to analyze our emotional reactions.

thanks for all the thoughts, guys!
i look forward to insane amounts of truth!!!!

Pshhh to the Petty Tyrants

Lyra, perhaps you should actually take a bit of time and read Steiner before going off on another rant.

Why read Steiner? ... Why read Tom aka Montalk?

Simple: Truth.

Tom very clearly and very obviously strives to see and express Truth.
(Indeed there are many paths, and all our own individual personal truths, but only one Truth.)

However, in Steiner's case you have an obvious Initiate sharing openly and voluminously. That by the way was unprecedented at the time, and has not been repeated since. Steiner paid for it with his life.

I think Guru is not the right word to describe the anthroposoph's relationship to Steiner and his work. Perhaps teacher is better, in the same way as Tom acts as a teacher when you read one of his articles, take it in, and make it your own. And, precisely here, as you say, you have to decide on what you think for yourself based on your own experience, how you take that information in, deciding if it is correct, assessing it , how it conects with Truth, and so on. That is an ongoing process. Same goes with Steiner, only in his case you have a Tom magnified many fold, whose spirtual perception spanned just about anywhere he chose to go, which was just about everywhere, no offence to Tom. More importantly than this however, Steiner developed Anthroposophy or Spiritual Science, a way, scientific so demonstrable and repeatable, where you can develop this spiritual perception in the crucible of your own self. Where you can see this for yourself. Which as you say yourself is what we need to do. 

Example:  Tom's and your hypothesis about OPs, how they factor in our lives, our relationships to them. I don't want to press any of your buttons here, because I know how when you have taken stuff in, and made it your own, how you can get pretty possessive with that information, fairly combative even at times (which of course can be a good thing) but you may want to check out Steiner's lecture cycle The Book of Revelation and the Work of the Priest, the last few lectures in that book where he openly discusses OPs -this is in 1924- and says that eventually 1/3 of the population will be Organic Portals. Steiner doesn't call such people Organic Portals however; in Steiner lingo, an OP would be a  human without an "I" . The physical, etheric, and astral bodies are intact, but no 'I' has incarnated.

Check it out for yourself.

"HI!  I'm tiospaye!  And I totally missed the point of what you were saying!  HI!  Nice to meet you!  Hi!"

I wasn't "ranting" about Steiner, I was "ranting" about the fact that Druid quotes Steiner in nearly all his posts.   Nothing personal against Druid as a person...he seems like a nice guy.  And nothing personal against Steiner.  Either my post didn't accurately convey this, or you didn't fully read what I was saying.  I'm suspecting it was the latter, because nowhere in my post did I disparage the work of Steiner.  But I finally couldn't help but say something about this, because it's as if there's nobody else worth quoting, it's always Steiner, or maybe like Druid doesn't feel he has his own ideas or experiences or opinions worth sharing.  This is something somebody recently complained about to me in an email in fact - we were talking about whether to start a topic about both the idea of people who only ever seem to quote other sources without having their own ideas, and/or researchers and psychics who purposely keep mum about what they know, not sharing their ideas and experiences out of fear and other assorted reasons.  The idea of people hiding behind others' ideas, or just hiding and laying low in general.  So basically you went through all that work of compiling this post based on a misunderstanding.

"Hi!  I'm lyra!  And it's Mercury Retrograde!  Hi!  Welcome to the next three weeks of misunderstandings and mishaps!"

Well, since we're going there, I have to say this has crossed my mind more than a few times.  It's not that there's anything wrong with Steiner-- at all-- it just bothers me when people latch onto one source of information and treat it as gospel.  But I have noticed that Druid has improved somewhat.  In the beginning, all he posted were long, long, long excepts from Steiner's books.  Now he interacts with people in his own right, and merely adds Steiner quotes.

I've thought about bringing it up, really I have.  But I knew that it wouldn't change anything.  One day, maybe Druid will find something lacking in just reading Steiner and he'll open up to his own wisdom.  Maybe he won't.  Maybe Steiner is all he needs, and he really has opened to his own wisdom-- it just happens to agree with Steiner.  I have no idea. 

But I do know what you mean.