1 (edited by Transcix 2007-02-15 12:37:10)

Topic: the truth behind Montalk

It's all good now... other benevolent people have taken things under their control.. like it should have happened far sooner. They send their love, and sorrow at what they mistakenly allowed to happen to everything, and their thanks for our understanding that it was an honest mistake. and I must delete this for security reasons... I know none of you believe me.. and that's OK.. I must do what I must do... and 2012 is the best ever now.

Don't fear! - Laugh!

peace n love

nothing is sacred, the deconstructing and letting-be of all things, clarity of sight, the realization of no-thing(s), Nothing

Re: the truth behind Montalk

Transcix wrote:

But I can guarantee you all one thing... some of the stuff Montalk says about the HigherSelf and ego is *NOT TRUE*...

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Your own forum isn't going so well, is it Transcix?     The last post was December 6, 2006 ... by you.   I guess that's why you're here at Montalk's forum, then.   Can't say I blame you.

I'd call you out for making allegations without actually backing them up with anything.   But, hey, after working 25 hours a week I'm surprised you have time to get on the computer at all.    Just be careful not to overextend yourself; stress is a killer.

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If you don't like the Montalk site and the material/ topics that it presents, then that's PERFECTLY fine. Different strokes for different folks. Also, when you read anything, there is no rule or law that you have to agree 100% with what the author is saying. Maybe that is your mistake:it's called common sense/discernment. However, it was absolutely pointless for you to post such a thread. If you don't agree, then walk away. It's that simple mon ami. The gaul and the audacity to even say you are "spiritual" or whatever yet attack others with no proper basis  probably renders you  immature and not ready to let go of your "rebel without a cause" adolescent stage in their life.

And lay off the cough syrup. It damages the liver, mon ami.

"We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves strong. The amount of work is the same."
– Carlos Castaneda

4 (edited by lyra 2007-02-12 20:43:04)

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Guess what peoples?  It's mercury retrograde!

Starts February 13th.  That'd be today, in another 20 minutes, EST. 

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Mercury retrograde eh?
Anyways, your argument of coming from nowhere is an interesting concept. Nowhere as in a place outside of 3D? Or nowhere as in a place of absolute nothingness? Everything comes from something in my opinion.
Also, the power both comes from yourself spiritually, and we're given help by both physical and non-physical entitites. But in the end, even those who seem to disempower us hasten our evolution, so it all works out perfectly.

"Don't eat any wooden nickels."

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Although this thread doesn't deserve a response, I will give my two cents.

No one source of information is true and correct, however, many sources combined and used together can formulate a 'truer' concept. If you wish to de-bunk everything on this site, then you will have to go on further and de-bunk everything ever written about the subjects contained on this site. Montalk bases his ideas, writings, concepts, opinions, etc from a combination of sources and personal experience. To suggest that he is 'wrong' is incorrect.

Transcix, it is your perception that understands the ideas differently. Although people here may not agree with everyone else, and what they say about certain subjects, they all share a common outlook.  If you don't agree with something, then fine. But your de-bunking opinions will fall on deaf ears in this forum. And bitching about it too was old, long, long ago.

Vincit omnia Veritas: Truth conquers all.

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There is not one great Truth or Truths.

There many spiritual paths, at least one per human being!

Most of us are clearly confused and lost touch with our spiritual path, some say 'their higher self'. Our higher self is not 'there' yet, it IS not yet. We have to find our own individual path to the Spirit, everyone for himself. This leads to the actualisation of this higher self, inexistent for now, like the tree that is 'not there yet' when it is only a seed.

Transcix, this is all I have to say: follow your own intuition, your own path. This is not only okay to be different, we actually HAVE to follow our own path, this is an iron necessity of spiritual development. This freedom is not self-indulgence or laxism lazyness, this freedom is the spiritual essence of the human being, that manifests itself when we act or fell or think in freedom, liberated from the past and from the ordinary bondage of the self to the limitations of selfness and brain-thinking, there meeting the universal ground where all humans are brothers, spiritual brothers, moving toward freedom.

If you have original ideas, share them with us and I may even agree with you more than you think. There are many different sort of ideas that are shared here. Here people showed me respect, even gratitude for my posts. This is humanisation of relationships, in people sharing knowledge, talents and motivations, in good will, for higher purposes, the one that can justify we call ourselves human, in a tender sense, in attention and caring for others and gratitude to the world.

I do not 'believe' nor agree with anybody else's frame of mind and set of ideas. Yet I am interested in other's point of view. I will not tell them what to say, not to say, what is 'true', what is 'not true', etc. I have my own ideas about what people say. If I started to tell people that they are wrong, I wouldn't be respecting them in their freedom of choice, This is the tantamount reality: free will.

I hope everybody could understand that.

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Ah it's a lightworker! Everybody run! LOL Sorry but its like this read what you want believe and be what you want. We can be seeing the same painting but be seeing different things in it that reflect our being. I'm all over the place with ideas I collect them. I enjoy montalk's work and his forum we can talk without people calling us freaks...at least most of the time. Peace brothers and sisters.

smile

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I used to live in Montreal two months ago, Transcix.


So you believe in this 2012 thing... I don't buy most of what is said about 2012, sorry. I think it is a fasle climax that will be used to install a new shape of geopolitics, because of a great threat of war between USA-UK-Canada(Israel) and China-Russia(Iran sooner, but it's a kind of diversion, according to neocon reporter Robert D. Kaplan 'How We Would Fight China'). The ersult of this reshaping of the world:

division of big blocs East (China-Russia) versus West. Euro-America, Euro-asia, Islamistan, Confuciania, etc.
Just like 1984: Oceania, Eurasia, Estasia.

2012 could be a marker for mutations in the spiritual erlations between etheric-realms and material realms. So everything is highly unstable, it precedes the great upheaval and restructuring of our own relationship between body and soul, the bopdy being more permeated with soul, and the soul more separated fro the body. Clairvoyance wuill develop on a large scale. But it can easily profit to STS higher density denizens so that they can seduce us with this new power of thought over matter that will be widespread. Two human races will blossom: one spiritual minority versus one intelligent nephilim beast humanity. The inner moral state of the soul will become apparent outwardly.

People with animalistic fury in their emotions will display cold intelligence and attack each other. this gives great hints about what is going on right now...

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Imagine somebody that would have planned all the things happening to you, good and bad, even the OPs that suck you dry of your life-energy and self-esteem. This person is not the devil. This being is your own higher self. Your only true self.

It's pretty hard to accept, eh?

(It's one of the exercice to understand karma and reincarnation, according to Steiner)

The spirits of hindrances, who put obstacles on our path, are there and exist for our spiritual evolution. Believe it or not!

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Why is it that people who come here to claim they know The Truth about everything always come across as complete arseholics?

Nowhere in Montalk's writings does he claim that everything he writes is the truth. He even states at the beginning of his book "Treat this book as a working hypothesis, an educated guess to be tested by your own experiences, research, and insights. Take what makes sense and leave the rest for another time."

So what are you trying to "debunk" exactly?

Perhaps you really do have some worthwhile things to say and discovered some important pieces of the jigsaw. However, few people here are going to be interested in hearing you out while you're acting like an idiot.  I can assure you that the negative responses you're getting are not replies from OPs because you're a threat. They're replies from real human beings who recognise an arseholic when they see one. Show a bit of respect and humility and I can assure you people will respond in a positive way.

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Keep on posting your insights Transcix, but try to be objective about the Montalk site, Tom has been a great help to many (if not all) people here, maybe all you are doing is expanding on Tom's work.  We should remember that we are all evolving, at a faster rate than previous generations, and what was true (or seemed to be true) a few months ago, was maybe the only way we could begin to comprehend some of the fantastic (out of this world) ideas that have been coming to light, at that stage in our lives.  We can each decide, using discernment, whether your theories add or detract from the Montalk materials.

I find your theory on the Higher Self/Ego fascinating and would like to know more. (as I had the very same concept this morning, in mediation, which doesn't mean it is true, could be more manipulation, via Mercury retrograde) smile

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Hey transcix,

I'll not defend Montalk - he doesn't need it.

I'll reiterate what Aya said, Montalk doesn't put himself forward as a guru, a know it all guy. What he puts forth is from a lot of reading, meditation, and experience before he puts it out there. He can agree to disagree.

If you are willing to do the same things as Montalk (reading etc) you should come away with the same things as him. However if you don't, it doesn't automatically mean he erred. It maybe something within you that doesn't want to change or just doesn't understand yet.

Whatever the case Montalk is responsible for his walk, you're responsible for yours. Remember when ever you point a finger at someone you have three of your own fingers pointing back at you. wink

Peace,
Teddy

"It means the Matrix can't tell you who you are" - Trinity

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druid wrote:

Imagine somebody that would have planned all the things happening to you, good and bad, even the OPs that suck you dry of your life-energy and self-esteem. This person is not the devil. This being is your own higher self. Your only true self.

It's pretty hard to accept, eh?

Actually, I don't know if I entirely accept this.  Since you brought it up.   I do question the idea that we plan things down to such a maticulous level, because what that implies is that we then have control over everybody else around us in order to plan what they do to us.  Which I don't necessarily believe.  This is supposed to be "3rd density - freewill zone."  There are other players in the game.  Are we saying then that we have control over others?   

Also, it doesn't factor in the idea of a person's multiple timelines, each accomplishing something different.   If your timelines are different, then there goes the idea of such meticulous planning of everybody and everything around you.  I think at best we may choose who we're born to.................and even then it may be a case of "settling" for something only because that's the only body available in roughly the type of situation we need.  I've read that there are souls literally competing for certain bodies.   This whole afterlife thing apparently isn't as neat and tidy a transition as some would like to think.  So my tentative opinion as of this moment in time, factoring in all the bits that I've learned into the equation, is that we come here, to this realm on this planet in this time period, and agree to everything it entails.......and that means the wild card factors as well.   Because I have personal proof that unexpected "no-no's" DO happen, done to us by other people mind you, be it souled or "OPs," which the higherself didn't plan out and is then put on the spot to try to remedy in the form of protective intervention.

See, there's the victim mentality,which is one extreme opposite end of the spectrum, and that's the person who refuses to take responsibility for anything that happens to them.  And then there are those people who take the "I'm completely responsible for everything that happens to me here, it was all completely planned out ahead of time, and my higherself is micromanaging all the people and OPs and every circumstance in my life" view, which is the other extreme.   

The middle ground option is more realistic and actually factors in the idea that we're in a free will zone here and there are wild cards happening in this reality..........lots of them.  And there are multiple probable timelines happening, it isn't just all about what your consciousness perceives at this exact moment.   So while the higher self does seem to have the ultimate say in how things are going to go....on whatever particular timeline......I don't believe it has complete micromanaged control over every little thing that happens to you.  But that's part of what it means to incarnate here....you agree to the wild card factors, the OPs, and all the rest.   But it doesn't mean you necessarily planned them.  And there's a difference.

Just my 2 cents at this point in time. wink



druid wrote:

(It's one of the exercice to understand karma and reincarnation, according to Steiner)

Okay, I'll be the one to say it..................but enough with always quoting "Rudolf Steiner" already.  aaaaaaaaaaah!!   Jeez Louise.  Seriously, nearly every post is just quoting what Steiner has to say about any given subject.   Steiner this, Steiner that, Steiner says, Steiner says.......!!!!   What about what *you* think?  What have you seen for yourself?  What have your own personal experiences shown you?   What about *you* ?   Sorry....it's just that months and months of endless quoting of everything Steiner, Steiner this, and Steiner that, Steiner Steiner Steiner Steiner Steiner Steiner and I don't think I can take it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  We can't hide behind personal gurus.  There comes a time when we have to rely on what *we* know, and talk from experience.

Totally off topic, but I really needed to get that off my chest.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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