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  • From: The Athanor
  • Registered: 2005-01-20

Re: The Chemtrail Debate

i keep forgetting to say this on this thread.  but i once ran across an interview with a guy who was hired by an outside airplane maintenance firm of some sort, to fix the pneumatic hose system deep in the belly of a few commercial jets, that had been contracted by the military.  he was civilian, and an expert in such.

after crawling inside and following hoses after awhile, he saw a few strange looking tanks that were what he thot to be military issue, but this was for a regular big airline.  he fixed the system and saw how this "system" was designed.  these tanks and the system were cleverly rigged to emit spray streams somehow when a routine plane function was triggered, which allowed these tanks to then do their thing.  he was amazed to see how neat this was and it worked.  these tanks let off their contents when the waste system ran, or something like that.  ppl who would not be familiar with such would never have figured it out.

so somehow he researched it further, after finishing the job.  found that the contents of the tanks contained a bunch of difft stuff, get this though---lots of RED BLOOD CELLS, leukocytes (white blood cells), plasma, some feces, particles of, with some regular e-coli bacteria, some listeria, some virus particles, etc.  were found to be included.  all in a soup of well, crap i guess u could say was in there.  fine sprays of red blood cells?!  thats what got to me.  red blood and white blood cells.  and the kinds of bacteria.  what a mess.  what could that mean?  he was bowled over.  freaked him out.  Disinfo?  who knows, but that really got to me.  coming from the biological  angle, where i always go.  and the base of it was antifreeze.  that was the base syrup to contain the miasma of 'crap'... fascinating and very very scary.  whats the deal with that?   i wish i could find that, but it was a few years ago since reading it.  of course, he said he contacted a military expert guy, and discussed it, and was warned he'd never work again if he went public or went 'further' with it...the usual.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"
  • From: Present Day Earth
  • Registered: 2006-01-13

Re: The Chemtrail Debate

I saw with my own peepers 2 jets in the sky above the town I used to live in, one was most likely a commercial passenger jet, the other was spraying a "chem-trail". They were on an intersecting flight path, and around a mile before the planes would have "crossed paths" the jet that was spraying let out this huge blast of "chem-soup" as the nozzles turned off right above me, and the plane sped up.

It ended up looking like this... 8~~~~~~~~ , two big "balls" of chem soup attached to a long "stick" in the sky. The other jet had normal exhaust & wingtip ice-cloud formation that quickly dissipated.

And the rest of the sky had thick "blanket" clouds with slowly dissapearing "grid-like gaps", indications of previous chem-trail spraying throughout the day that was forming together.

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  • Registered: 2006-05-02

Re: The Chemtrail Debate

Matt_d82 said

The picture above looks no different to fuel dumping.

Matt_d82 you are indeed correct regarding the still clip I posted from the 'Chemtrails: Clouds of Death' on Google. A bit of further research indicates that although the great majority of planes vent fuel from their wingtips, the particular plane in the video has inboard fuel venting.

Still, it looks pretty incriminating to the layman...

Quote from http://www.worldnewsstand.net/1/chemtrails3.htm

You are exactly right. I had the plane checked out and it is indeed a E-6 Tacamo (Take Charge and Move Out) command and control aircraft. This is the only Boeing that I've seen that has inboard fuel tank vents. I have emailed Jeff Rense so we can make the correction, and several others with this explanation and the Boeing website so anyone can look it up.

However, young lieutenant, as a recently retired Army intel type, who worked in an Air Force F-16 squadron intel shop, and being a pilot myself and Boeing trained mechanic, I've never seen a Tacamo, nor a Boeing 707 type with inboard fuel tank vents. It took about 48 hours of research to find this particular aircraft.

The fact remains, we are being sprayed with something. I've witnessed it. Our police department here has witnessed it. And we have reports from all over the country of this now happening. And people are getting sick. We are tired of it and demand answers. SOMEONE is doing it, and it's only a matter of time until we find them and what they are up to. I have photos, video and eye witnesses. I mayself am a witness on many occasions.

Also, I don't think the word "knucklehead" is in the protocol vocabulary when addressing superior officers.

Craig Roberts Lt.Col. USAR (Ret)

And a much clearer picture

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/1/plane2.jpg

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  • From: The Present
  • Registered: 2005-06-19

Re: The Chemtrail Debate

Novice wrote:

Still, it looks pretty incriminating to the layman...

And that highlights the exact point I'm trying to make here. What 'looks' like, and what actually 'is' can sometimes be two completely different things. If this is one mistake that has been made, then how many more have also been made? I am making an assumption here, but I don't believe we have a large contingent of atmospheric scientists, or even experts on aircraft systems in NR....which would make all those who are not, laymen.

Perhaps there is something sinister going on, or perhaps not - but the scale to which either are occuring may be considerably smaller to what is being suggested by the chemtrail conspiracy theorists.

Vincit omnia Veritas: Truth conquers all.
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  • Registered: 2006-10-26

Re: The Chemtrail Debate

We here on the West Coast of Florida experienced 10 straight days of no aerosols. Bright blue skies for days . Today, they are laying it down heavy. I count at least twenty emmission streams all laid out to our East with the prevailing wind carrying them over the Tampa Bay area.

p.s. -There's no debate, just look up !

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Re: The Chemtrail Debate

I saw a clip from a documentary that said  they are indeed spraying BUT it's to slow down the greenhouse effect. My concern is they can create  secondary and tertiary effects from the same compounds or they can even have more than on intention within the same spray but only tell you about the one they think will be accepted.

As for the fuel dumping thing...with gasoline prices this high do you really believe there is that much "fuel dumping" going on? Don't you also find it odd to see upwards of 4-5 jets in the same area dumping large amounts of fuel? I guess a put it in perspective question is "how long can a fuel dump stream be?"

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  • From: Oceania
  • Registered: 2006-12-26

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Shine On, I agree completely....there is no debate.  I'm looking up at the same chemtrail soup that you are today.  Now why don't we start a serious thread to debate whether or not the earth is flat....or whether or not wheels are round.....or maybe we could discuss some of these pressing issues:

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

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Cheers!

Winston

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  • Registered: 2005-06-19

Re: The Chemtrail Debate

Winston Smith wrote:

Now why don't we start a serious thread to debate whether or not the earth is flat....or whether or not wheels are round.....

Perhaps if these issues became popular, among the conspiracist  community, you would jump on the bandwagon too without any thought?

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  • From: Oceania
  • Registered: 2006-12-26

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Matt… I apologize for the sarcasm in my previous post.  My intention wasn't to ruffle feathers.  In retrospect that was not appropriate.  However, I don’t jump on bandwagons.  I do my research and I think.  In this case (chemtrails) it was pretty easy.  I got into the habit of looking up.  At the sky.  Not the computer.  I was influenced by my eyeballs to draw certain conclusions about chemtrails.  Not from others opinions.

Since you started this thread you  have been presented with photos, videos, eyewitnesses and news videos all acknowledging that chemtrails exist and you still state, “I don’t believe in chemtrails’ and, “it looks like jet fuel to me”.   For you to say you “I don’t believe in chemtrails” is just ridiculous.  It's not a matter of belief.  This makes it difficult to take your “debate” seriously.  This is what inspired my sarcasm.  I should have been more clear and straightforward.  However, you do seem to have already made up your mind.

In order to debate a topic it needs to be organized.  For example, many people can’t get past the fact that 911 was an inside job because they can’t break it down and deal with just one aspect at time, such as why did wtc7 fall?  Rather than doing that many people start with the bigger questions of who was behind it if it was controlled demolition rather than just looking at wtc7 and taking the evidence into consideration before putting the cart before the horse so to speak.  With that approach it becomes more difficult to get at the truth  That’s what I’m asking you to do here: Acknowledge that we have a phenomenon here called chemtrails. 

The point I was trying to make was that the discussion should be about why we have chemtrails rather than whether we have chemtrails.

For the record, I don’t know why we have them.  If you lived where I do and just looked up everyday there would be no debate in your mind either.  Chemtrails are a fact.  They are being sprayed.  Why they are being sprayed is a question that I do think about.  I've read all the conspiracy theory stuff about the why of this phenomenon from Morgellon's to dumbing us down to lowering our immune systems to they are trying to stop global warming, etc.  Quite frankly none of these theories offer me enough evidence to buy into.  Maybe there are fragments of truth in more than one.  Maybe they are all way off track.   I still don't know why they are spraying us and I doubt anyone here does either.   I doubt that it's for our own good........But I don’t know…..

ANALOGY:  Just because there are no squirrels in your backyard doesn’t mean that mine is not full of them.  Squirrels exist whether you believe in them or not.  So do chemtrails.  I see both on a regular basis.

Again, I’m sorry for the sarcasm earlier.  I should have been more direct. 

As to why squirrels exist….well that’s anyone’s guess.

Cheers!

Winston

P.S.  If my 911 was an inside job analogy doesn't fit into your mind frame of the world either then please just write me off as a nut job and don't bother responding.  Me and my tin foil hat won't take it personally.  smile

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70 Reply by Tom Paine (edited by Tom Paine 2007-03-03 18:46:33)

  • Registered: 2004-10-26

Re: The Chemtrail Debate

Winston!  It's not tinfoil!  It's aluminum foil.  And it's got to be lined with silk.

I've got at least 50 photos of chemtrails that I've taken in the last 3 years.
All done with disposable cameras that I keep in the car and on my bicycle when
I'm riding.  They like to spray right before it rains so the shit will come down onto
us, get on us, get in the ground water and make everybody sick. 

I look up at the sky too.  A lot.  Most people don't.  Most people are so disconnected
from their environment and the earth that they wouldn't know the f*cking difference.

Go ahead, mess with your Ipod while driving.  Talk on the phone while driving.
Look at your phone pictures and read your text messages so you won't have to
acknowledge anyone else.  Listen to those tinny little ringtones and groove to
itunes on your mp3 that have been stripped of all meaningful frequencies. 
You idiots.  Go join the army.  We need more cannon fodder.

Tom Paine  (in rant mode)

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I first became aware of the sprayjobs in 2001, I don't recall if it was CtoC or what, but I was unconvinced.

That is until one day in June or July in 2002. I was returning from a blast thru some local twisties with 2 friends, one driving, and 2 of us on bikes. traveling west from Rome NY, I happened to look up, sure enough there's one laying it down. I have been to many airshows, know quite a bit about aviation and CONTRAILS, yes
those wispy little actual vapor trails that follow usually no more than 6-8 plane-lengths behind and vanish.

So I'm trying to keep one eye on this guy and one on the road- I reach over and flick my buddy on the helmet and point up, we watched intermittently for another minute or so- then poof, trail off.  That was my mega AHA moment, because about 10- 15 seconds later, trail is back on- and my buddy's face was obscured somewhat by the helmet- but I know him well, and the look on his face was half petrified, half -holyshit- ya it's real.

The planes around here work east-west almost exclusively, which is why we were able to watch for over 5 minutes, as the one passed from about noon position overhead, to far ahead of us.

I have pictures from mid to late 2003, nearly 100 of them, a few where they turned midday sun into a pseudo solar ecliptic effect, very unnerving. Have also had many occasios to look at some thru a telescope, ones I have seen are either unmarked white, or lightish blue, NO windows. Many I have seen have more trails than engines, or less than engines. I have not needed any more evidence since that day in '02, but I sure have seen more....                                                                       J

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Tom,

Thanks for the correction.  I used to spend a couple of weeks a year each summer with my grandparents and great grandparents in KY. when I was a kid. (60's)

One of my jobs was to wash tinfoil (as they called it) for recycling.  I guess it was actually aluminum foil....they called it tinfoil.  I guess that just stuck with me.  Today kids think that recycling is a new thing.  They didn't have exposure to people that grew up in or were already adults during the depression appparently.  Remember jars full of buttons?  Remember rubber band balls?  How about jars of bacon grease?  Ball jars and canning?

I had a great aunt who would take the plastic wrap from loaves of bread and we would cut it into little strips and roll it around wire and stick it into the cracks between the slats in the floor in her "back room" to keep it insulated and less drafty.

Once at my grandparents house I was sleepwalking and my grandmother caught me and put me back in bed.  When she told my grandfather about it in the morning at breakfast she recounted that I said I needed to go outside and get the bacon.  My grandfather said,  "Why in the hell did you stop him??" lol

Anyone know what a "back room" is??*  roll

Cheers!

Winston

*that's right...an outhouse.

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  • Registered: 2004-10-26

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Winston, I was just being a nitpicker.  And I also wanted to remind you of the helmet
with the silk lining.  Yes I remember jars of bacon grease.  Hell, we used to cook
fried chicken in it!  What a whammo grease fest!  I'll bet you don't remember the
foil milk bottle caps that came out in colors around christmas.  You could make poor
man's christmas tree decorations out of them.

Boy are we off topic or what?

Actually I have photos from about fifty different shoots of those chemtrails. 
So my total photos must be more than a hundred or so.  And growing weekly!

  • From: Oceania
  • Registered: 2006-12-26

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Yes we have gotten quite off topic.  Apologies to Matt for that.  I'll start a new topic about nostalgia.  Back to this one. 

Tom, you mentioned that they like to spray right before it rains.......maybe there is some cause and effect going on here.  Again, I don't know but maybe it has something to do with weather control. 

I have over 100 photos as well.   I don't bother taking them any more.  What is the point?  I see them and I'm not trying to prove anything.  I don't really see the need to post them as plenty have already been posted.  I don't want to go to the trouble of putting them on a website as that seems to be the only way to post photos here.  If there is an easier way that doesn't require posting (directing) to a website then I would be happy to post them if that will make a difference.

I don't see how it will though.  As my Grandfather used to say:  "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think."  As Lyra said very early in this thread, "Just look up".

Cheers!

Winston

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Re: The Chemtrail Debate

When I see some good chemtrails I try to take an arty looking shot or two.
You know, Japanese design elements, asymetrical balance, try to get a tree
or a wind chime in the picture to add ambience...
I even take off my dark glasses and put them in front of the lens so the camera
will see them with the same contrast...

Ah, the things we do to amuse ourselves.