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this is nice to know---

A: You seem to be under the impression that only "good" experiences are acceptable.
Q: (L) No, I am not under the impression that only good experiences are acceptable, but I AM in a little bit of a quandary here because, here we are talking to you guys who are supposed to be 'us' in the future. Here we are in this period of time on this planet, where things are in a very strange state. There is some kind of huge transition going on, and I am just wondering what is the whole point. Why are we talking to you? What's the point?
A: It is the lesson. Do you not understand still? The lesson, the lessons, that is all there is. They are all immeasurably valuable.
Q: (L) Okay, we are having these lessons. You have told us what is going on. We see it going on around us. I am convinced that what you have said is so from a LOT of other circumstantial evidence as well as the research of others who have come to the same conclusion and, DAMN IT, IT'S UGLY! DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?! IT'S UGLY!
A: That is your perspective.
Q: (L) Well, as C** said on the phone the other day, what are we supposed to awaken to? Are we supposed to just awaken to the fact that we can SEE all this stuff going on?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And just waking up and seeing it is the whole thing? Okay, once we wake up and SEE it, why can't we just check out at that point? If you know what the script is, you don't have to watch the movie!
A: But then you miss out on the experience.
Q: (L) So, we are all here to experience being munched and crunched...
A: No.
Q: (L) Imprisoned, controlled, being treated like rats in a cage in a laboratory...
A: Ecstasy, remember?
Q: (L) Ecstasy?! WELL SWELL! We can just ALL be BURNED AT THE STAKE! I understand that is QUITE an ECSTATIC experience! I'm sure William Wallace felt perfectly ecstatic when they castrated him and removed his bowels and burned them in a brazier in front of his face!
A: Not so long ago, your face smashed upon the pavement...
Q: (L) Was that an ecstatic experience?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, when you say 'ecstatic' you could just be talking about jumping out a window and croaking?! You gotta understand here! The perspective here on 3rd density! You don't have faces to smash on pavements!
A: Neither will/do you/us.

here's the crux of it, the apex point to/of it...

Q: (A) You say knowledge protects. It protects against WHAT?
A: Many things. One example: post transformational trauma and confusion.   AAAAHHHHAAA
Q: (L) So, knowledge is going to protect us against post transformational trauma and confusion. You are saying that this transition to 4th density is going to be traumatic and confusing. Do you mean transformation from 3rd to 4th density, or 3rd to 5th density, i.e. death?
A: Both.
Q: (L) So, if one does not have the shock and trauma and the confusion and so forth, one is then able to function better?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, if a person transitions directly from 3rd to 4th density without cycling through 5th density via dying, that implies that persons can transition directly from 3rd to 4th density without dying. Is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) How does that feel? How is that experience...  A: Alice through the looking glass.
Q: (A) Okay, they say that knowledge is supposed to protect from trauma and confusion. On the other hand, all is lessons, so trauma is a lesson. Why are we supposed to work to avoid a lesson?
A: You are correct, it is a lesson, but if you have foreknowledge, you are learning that lesson early, and in a different way.
Q: (L) So, if you learn the lesson in a different way, does that mitigate the need or the way or the process of the way of learning at the time of transition?
A: Yes. Smoother.

alright then, we're on our way for a 'smoother transition'  just like we suspected and NEED

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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A: Many perfectly synchronous meanings.
Q: (L) Synchronicity is involved. Does this have something to do with "image?"
A: Duplicity of, as in "Alice through the looking glass."
Q: (L) Double images. Does this relate to matter and antimatter?
A: Yes, and...
Q: (L) Gravity and manifesting on one side and manifesting a mirror image on the other...
A: Yes, and... [...] Astronomical.
Q: (L) Okay, that relates to stars and planets... astronomical in terms of another universe, an alternate universe composed of antimatter?
A: Yes, and....
Q: (L) And is this alternate universe going to merge with our universe...
A: No.
Q: (L) Is this alternate universe of antimatter the point from which phenomena occur or are manifested in our universe?
A: More like doorway or "conduit."

going out the sidedoors!!! there it is.  we're on to it.  we're gettin it.  we know what were talking about.  it is coming naturally.  yay.  less fearful when we have the protective knowledge.  i finally get that now, sorta, alice thru the looking glass is duality/reflection/gazing back?  back thru no linear time, away from gravity i guess.  into hyperdimensions.   i see "sion" in there now, never did before, just saw that now. hmmm, waking up in even smaller micro increments now.  went from micro-to macro-back to micro.  well well.  just 'saw' that now too.  and, ultimately this---

Q: (L) Is something going to happen in terms of interacting with this antimatter in order to bring about some sort of transition?
A: No. Realm Border is traveling wave.
Q: (L) Okay, you say "traveling wave," and then you say that antimatter is the highway. Does this mean moving through antimatter or interacting in some way with antimatter via the the impetus of the traveling wave, or realm border?
A: Bends space/time, this is where your unstable gravity waves can be utilized.
Q: (L) Utilizing antimatter by creating an EM field, which destabilizes the gravity wave, allows antimatter to unite with matter, creating a portal through which space/time can be bent, or traveled through via this "bending." In other words, producing an EM field, bringing in the antimatter, IS the bending of space/time? Is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (V) Is there a portal for each person, or one large portal?
A: No.
Q: (V) So we move through a portal in masses?
A: No.
Q: (L) Is this generating of EM fields to destabilize the gravity wave what the HAARP assembly is designed and built for?
A: No.
Q: (V) If there are not personal portals for one person, or portals for groups of people...
A: Portal is where you desire it to be.
Q: (V) So it could just be a state of mind?
A: No. With proper technology you can create a portal where desired. There are unlimited options.

backed up again, do NOT GO IN OR OUT MAIN EXIT/ENTRY DOORS/PORTALS

so what technology?  intent to create a portal of our OWN SELF INDIVIDUALITY?  id conjecture.  this means then, we WILL have to know exactly what we do want, and not what we dont want.  the problem being we're more familiar with what we dont want, since we have already experienced THAT.  this is why so hard i think, knowing or conjecturing on what u want, because of not being 'sure' what THAT is, having not experienced it, but only dreamed or made it up so to speak.   i can just see us--bouncing in and out and around, up and down, that bent highway, on transformation/shift/whatever.  like on a bungy cord, going---whoaaaa  into theocratic camp cuz we know about that---uh oh, yanked back out, yikes--dont wanna be or go there; whoa again, into the library of alexandria, cool, pour urself a beverage, with a sigh of relief, and shit--there's grandma and uncle ralph over there.  oh hell.  what to do what to do?!  wow--what a ride. this is gonna be.  or out nice beautiful safe gorgeous SIDE DOORS where its all taken care of.  click those ruby slippers and ask to "go home"...

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You know what?  ALL Synchronicities being what they are, I reckon we might just be in that Bar at the End of the Universe, telling stories about the old days already...

New Article from Stuart Wilde
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The Last Chance Saloon
Stuart Wilde
February 02nd, 2007


We are poised on the cusp that I wrote about in my book Whispering Winds of Change. I said that the world splits into two parabolas of evolutions. One is cold, cruel, dogmatic and elitist; the other is open, warm and inclusive. The cruel parabola tears itself apart in the end fighting with others only the spiritual parabola survives. The death of the global-ego is upon us. Each decides his or her fate by choosing a silent disdain for humanity or an open acceptance of all people and their beliefs.

We have been raised in the West to be very special and important people; it is the cult of the Chosen One, he or she who believes they have been divinely selected but it is unsafe now. Karma is about to adjust our perception of things. I have always felt that it is a major advance to your perception when you accept that you are nothing and completely irrelevant in the great scheme of things, because by in being ‘nothing’ you embrace an eternity that is very safe.

The tall poppies fall in droves, because oil is to be taken from us. When the oil goes the fascists march in the street. You have to choose: on the one hand you get a nice uniform but a rotten karma and on the other hand there is the flicker of redemption in the distance and your eventual escape to spur you on.

I have seen two arrows hit the earth and I taught a group in the Redeemers Club members to see the min-video clips that come out of the Morph that play in one’s mind’s eye and they have seen the arrows as well. Meteors, comets, we don’t know? But Gaia has had enough of humanity’s disdain and the obesity of our soul that kills and feeds on the animals - Gaia’s children, to the tune of millions a day. There is no end to the pile of corpses that are slaughtered to feed our podgy gluttony. She’s disgusted with that she will stop global consumption to save the planet it stands to reason.

If you are humble and well meaning and if you have no silent disdain in your heart for people, you enter the gentle space of a tender soul and you drift naturally through a lack of the ego’s demands to a place close to the zero point.

I recently showed a couple of hundred how to dematerialize their upper body, once you are not much attached to the desires and a rapacious need to satisfy the ego the rest you goes also goes wispy and you can eventually roam about where you wish. It is the threshold to a brave new world.

Let the Nazis have the streets we are not here to fight them. No. We have to love them and admire their crisp uniforms and appreciate how they suckered the human shadow to come out of hiding for all to see. That is spiritual moment for humanity, when Hitler rises from his grave to attend once more. For unless the shadow comes out, there will never be a proper justice for ordinary people for the shadow will rule forever. Once it comes out fully for all to see, then it will eventually fall.

Meanwhile, we’ll walk the other way taking a few with us if they want to come.

It all came true in the end. The attack on Iran is not far off. The battle fleets are sailing full speed into a nasty surprise. Dogma meets dogma with a clash of shields, while the dogs of war strain at the leash snarling to be let loose.

History will say it was inevitable that the cult of the Chosen One would draw itself into battle with ghosts that scurried in the night that were hard to find and even harder to subdue. For the ghosts in the night represented an external manifestation of the very inner shadow of the elite, but they never saw it before it was too late. The elite fought their own shadow to the death.

So when you pop into the Last Chance Saloon order, tenderness, generosity and respect, straight, no fizz. Doing that a door opens and you walk through to the back into a garden where you will be surprised to find a few old friends who have also had enough and they also want to return home to the celestial place from which we all came. They thought a human had to die to get there but that turned out to be an old dogma and inaccurate. They were not disappointed.
It is all good, there is a happy outcome and soon we’ll see a new dawn approach.

© Stuart Wilde 2007
www.stuartwilde.com

P.S. The Redeemer’s Club membership opens in a few weeks time on March 1st. It will stay open just until April 12th, 2007 to let the new members in and then it will close again. Click www.redeemersclub.com for info and a registration form if you want it.

Come now if you can.
Thanks. SW

 


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i found this today.  talk about confusing.  we've all seen this stuff before, with the merovingians and so forth.  talking about swords on that other thread got me on this, and the arthurian thing.  theres alot to that.  now, the arthurian kingdom was way pre-the KT.  way way before.  but there is something in that idea.  ppl thinking that theyve been associated with medieval times and are awakening now.  then i found this and will have to look for ther stuff wherein that was directly talked about.  prophecy prophecy.  but it does have to do with what i had sensed/said before about the KT, on the "who is the illuminati" thread.  i see it as the rep blood fighting its own rep bloodlines.  have been investigating that for years.  that connection.  the infiltration idea.  as in ELF transmissions too, it talks about infiltration too.  against wicked masters.  its something from within that arises, and its a memory and its about--what is expected to have happened will not happen, as expected.  like that.  there is memory of it, in the future, from the past.  amenesis.  and that the bloodlines expect one of that bloodline to fight on their side, take a stand, when indeed, the tide has already turned, will turn, and the bloodline goes against itself, to do right.  redemption?  dont like it.  recapitulation?  like that better.  since the arcturians say we descended from them, and they look a little reppy, and the pleiadeans say we descended from them, and theyre reppy, then what to make of it?  rep vs rep it looks like to me, but somehow it gets better, or good, for lack of the right or more accurate terms.  and the battle on earth plays out to end the idea of battling.  so old school, done with, boring, stupid, everybody has to die in that.  and we keep reading dying isnt necessary anymore.  and wont be in 4.5 or for sure in 5.0.  now, that will be nice.

*At mid-Tribulation, the 'reincarnated' Knights Templar will overthrow the existing social order and a counterfeit Antichrist.*   will it even go that far?

"At the end of this century the Order of the Knights Templar will re-emerge to change the whole existing social order. This will take place in the period immediately following the coming world catastrophies, which will commence in 1982 and continue in three terrible waves of destruction up to the year 2001 on an apocalyptic scale. During the struggle to rebuild the civilized world, the anti-Christ and the great dictator will attempt to seize world power."

"Their adversaries will be the reborn Templars and souls they shall choose to join them in rebuilding a new world order in which the freedom of the individual spirit will find its true place. Throughout this period, that mighty spirit behind the figure of Parzival will be their heroic and beloved leader." (Trevor Ravenscroft) - 126:143-144

"There is an old Cathar saying: 'Every 700 years, the laurel will grow green again.' The dawn arrests of the Templars were in October, 1307. Perhaps one reason for the current burgeoning of interest in all things Templar, a colleague once told me, is because we are nearly at the seven hundredth year--2007." 1034:173

"The London Temple was the Templars' headquarters in Great Britain..."  the seat of the illuminati.

"Our effigies seem to us frozen in stone, their figures forever poised to fight battles that ended 700 years ago. But these knight's eyes are open. They are all portrayed in their early thirties, the age at which Christ died and at which the dead will rise on his return. The effigies are not memorials of what has long since been and gone; they speak of what is yet to come, of these once and future knights who are poised to hear Christ's summons and to spring again to war."

"By 1145 the Templars themselves wore white robes with red crosses. White was linked with more than purity. In the Book of Revelation the martyrs of Christ, clad in white robes washed in the blood of the Lamb (Rev 7.14), are those who will be called to life at the 'first resurrection'. For a millennium they will reign with Christ; at its end Satan will lead all the nations of the earth against 'the beloved city' (Rev 20.9). The final battle will be in Jerusalem. Our knights have good reason to draw their swords. For buried in 'Jerusalem', in Jerusalem they shall rise to join the Templars in the martyrs' white and red. Here in the Temple, in our replica of the Sepulchre itself, the knights are waiting for their call to life, to arms and to the last, climactic defense of their most sacred place on earth." - 818

just saying that there were good templars, and that its the illumined fighting the illuminati.  and theyre reptilian. or something like that.  something turns on itself coming up.  i cant figure it out, but i feel im supposed to.  keeps me researching for fun though, whilst waiting?  for what?  see that?  i think im in love with the drama and romance of it, more than anything.  yet an attachment from the past i dont wanna let go of.  or im supposed to do something with.  beats me.  but constantly drawn to it.  keep thinking my own bloodlines and DNA (found all of it pretty much except the mother--way less clear) get transmuted  uh-oh?!  re-deemed in this last show.  then this--yikes.  old played out memories, yet a new angle coming up?  why did i change that avatar?  just felt like it.

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. - Matt. 26:52

And the soldiers likewise demanded of [Jesus], saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. - Luke 3:14   

there is some kind of internal battle with this.  i dont quote bible stuff, but just did here.   

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. - Rev.12:7-9

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. - Dan. 12:1

* The Dragon (Satan) will be released for a short time to deceive the nations; he will then be cast into the Lake of Fire.*  lakes, lakes of fire, the lady of the lake--all this stuff.  it keeps looking like everybody is trying to look like somebody/something else.  thats what i keep picking up.   and that any or all of this symbology can just take a turn any time, and its really representative of what one makes it out to be, or believes it to be, depending on the slant theyre aligned with.

"The heavenly deliverer is Melchizedek. Identical with the archangel Michael, he is head of the 'Sons of Heaven', or, 'gods of Justice' and is ...portrayed as presiding over the final judgment and condemnation of his demonic counterpart, Beliel/Satan, the Prince of Darkness." [Introduction to "The Heavenly Prince Melchizedek"] - 121:300

"Fragments of the Prince Melchizedek Document...indicate that Melchizedek and Michael were one and the same. It is this representation which features in the Revelation when the Archangel Michael (the descending Zadokite power of the Messiah) fights with the Roman dragon of oppression." - 29:177

its all counterfeit.  theres that melchizedek stuff too.  everybody and everything infiltrated everybody and everything.  its all tomfoolery somehow.  and all symbolic, and mythological.  yet, historical.  thats what does me in, everytime.  barbarians werent really barbarian, and armageddon is not literal, meaning the end for a new beginning.  so what do we do, meanwhile?  hilarious on one hand and omg on another.

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check this out for an explanation of magnetics--and electromagnetics, and what it may mean...and why...

*Electromagnetic energy will be harnessed to fight against Jesus Christ.*

(somebody's either crucifying him, making him die for ya, fighting him, calling on him for help, meeting him at crossover.  the poor SOB. he's one busy guy.  feel kinda bad for him half the time. and then hes supposed to come back, or not, ride a white horse, my god).

"The kings of Atlantis were somewhere in between Man and God - they were the Sons of God (sons of Enki), the Nephilim, the Watchers. They are said to have been, literally, 'stars' that fell from Heaven, and the power of the Ancient Ones, as we know, comes from the stars - in other words, solar power. Stars put out waves of all sorts along the electro-magnetic spectrum, as do planets, which could account for the power and influence they are said to possess. If one could tune into the radio waves they are putting out, one could hear the 'speech of the gods.' And if one could harness that energy, then all of the feats that have been attributed to magicians over the centuries could be true..."

"...the gods of Atlantis is that they are said to be able to live forever, and their human offspring had extremely long life spans as well... their bodies...remain underground in a state of hibernation for eons before being resurrected again. It is this resurrection that they are hoping their human descendants will affect by practicing the occult rites of necromancy that they have been taught.  [Regarding The Necronomicon]:

"Let all who read this book be warned thereby that the habitations of men are seen and surveyed by that forgotten race of gods and demons from a time before time, and that they seek revenge for that forgotten battle that took place somewhere in the cosmos, and rent the worlds in the days before the creation of man."

"And this is, mythologically, the same battle as that which caused the kingdom of Atlantis to sink to its watery depths, the War in Heaven in which the Sons of God - the Nephilim, or Watchers - were imprisoned within the Underworld, their mighty kingdom destroyed, all because they dared to pass their divine seed, and their divine knowledge onto lowly humanity. For as Abdul writes of The Necronomicon, 'civilizations were destroyed because of the knowledge contained in this book.' This is the deed that must be avenged, the memory of which slumbers in the blood of their human offspring - just as they slumber beneath the Earth, waiting for the day that the stars will be right again, and their descendants will perform the rites which will bring them up from the depths to reclaim their kingdom, and the Age of the Gods will begin anew: The New Atlantis, the New Jerusalem, the New World Order." - 923

"The new [scalar electromagnetic] weapons could even cause storms on the sun!..."

"The power of these weapons is so great that an accident or war could wipe out all life on earth, and even affect the sun....the closed-loop scalar radiation exchange system of Earth-Sun could be inadvertently 'tweaked' in the feedback loop from Earth to Sun, so that a large solar scalar resonance was stimulated. In that case the Sun could emit a mighty resonant 'burp' that would simply wipe out all life on Earth in a fiery shower.

"The 'terror' in the 'balance of terror' between nations has just increased by many, many orders of magnitude. The biblical prophecy that the Earth will be wiped out by 'fire and brimstone from heaven' is very near fulfillment now." - 694

and then it went on to talk of WWIV, MORE WAR?  come the hell on.  after this "next" one.  ok, i quit then.  too pooped to read more and conjecture on it.  always get pissy and crappy after reading biblical stuff.

from http://www.watch.pair.com/new-military.html#13.A   from trying to find the bloodline alien connection between us and the arcs vs the p's.  no wonder regular ppl cant follow, nor want to.  im getting saturated with crappola lately myself.  never usually feel that way on stuff. keep looking for breakthrus but am tired lately.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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*Electromagnetic energy will be harnessed to fight against Jesus Christ.*

Now where was it that I read the other day that the way to dissipate (?) electromagnetic energy was to warm it up?  And that not only the Earth is warming, but that other  planets are warming also?  I Really don't know, I read too much, but maybe someone does.

Hmmm...

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i thot u should see this.  i tried to find to find the original source, but couldnt.  it has been critiqued and the critique is pretty good.  it's contradictory, but u can carve out some stuff in it, for use.  and application.  that again, seems to be coming up.  what to DO, think, know, be prepared for.  he seems to be disgusted with that, not having guidance for application.  he says that theocrats are at it again, up there, and intimates that channelings are not helping ppl apply things.  the grammar is off, but:

Osho's channeling through Sunette, transcribed by Andrea.
Place: Kloof, Durban, South Africa.
Date: 04/02/2007.

This is Osho. For the first time channeling. And conveying my personal experience. Since moving to the dimensions/heaven. My first vision and realization, after crossing over was that nothing was as it seems. In our current understanding of existence, in 3D (earth). I am here, here now, for the first time channeling because I have been preparing myself for the information that is to follow. This may come as a shock, to some beings and maybe some not, but I am able to say with absolute certainty that God do not exist.

As you know me especially those, who have read my books I go straight to the point. We are alone in this process. Quite a statement to comprehend. Allow me to share with you, my experience of coming to realization that God do not exist and what we all as one do from here. At first I encountered demons moving freely in 3D, feeding off energetics specifically created from emotions most prominently those with an extensive amount of fear. In this moment of observing such application I realized how self obsessed, self involved and self addicted not only those in 3D/earth, but also those in the dimensions or heaven is. We here in 3D/earth only focus on self ascension and self awareness to attain the apparent heavenly light, but what of those in 3D who starve of hunger, who are deliberately murdered, molested and abused and so forth. We focus so much on ourselves that we forget about those who are one with us in essence, that suffer. The same application was experienced in heaven or the dimensions. The demons were lost beings, the other apparent enlightened dimensional beings were so focused and enclosed in their little limited world of attaining enlightenment and ascension that they were completely oblivious to the lost beings called demons. The reason I was most probably able to clearly see what is busy happening is because I while being in this reality, was actually doing the same thing, ignoring the lost beings/demons.

So, to place my understanding and explanation I have just conveyed into an example of my own personal experience while I was in 3D/earth. Some of my work and the reason I say some, is that in channelings to follow I will be changing some of the applications and understandings of truth in this reality I wrote about and shared with you in my books. If one look at my specific application, I was also captured in my own self-obsessed world. I may have spoken many direct truths regarding the specific behaviour of human nature and our relationships to each other, and everything else but I have realized that none of the words or truths I have shared I placed, experienced and expressed as myself in practical application. Thus, knowledge was not in application. This is the current status of existence.

Only information transference and knowledge of self-realisations or realizations of the world and the world’s current status is being shared. Even if you have read my books and look closely you will notice, that I merely conveyed knowledge and made a name for myself. Yes, my words may make absolute sense in some areas, but yet again there was no practical assistance of how to live and experience the words I spoke as an expression of self. If one look at channelings today, it is the same nonsense over and over again.

Yet again just knowledge, great and profound words of information being shared with no practical assistance for beings to assist themselves. Have you not asked yourselves the question why you are almost literally bowing at the feet of some apparent master, enlightened being, angel, or God or Goddess from some planet or heaven who is just merely sharing information, knowledge or news and not actually practically walking beside you, assisting you, step by step. I have some unfortunate news, all these beings whose only valid expression of existence was to speak words and do absolutely nothing have less understanding than what you on earth actually have. These beings portrayed themselves as more than those who are on earth, and those on earth clearly allowed this manipulation to continue.

As I have said before, the question probably asked is what now? Clearly, there is no actual proof of the words being spoken by the channels of the world today, in actual manifestation as an experience of self. We have allowed ourselves to be controlled and manipulated with beautiful words, knowledge and information, creating the idea of hope that someone will safe us from this god-forsaken world. But clearly, there is not one actual example, expression or application on earth that stand beyond just beautiful words, knowledge and information. No being has yet placed knowledge into application and actually living as the living word in manifestation on earth.

Clearly if demons were able to run free and deliberately influence others, that beings in 3D/earth are raped, abused and murdered, one is not able to say that any form of a God or higher being exist. I stood there and could not believe my eyes and at this moment my ears as well. For there are channelings occurring in 3D/earth with false messages, of the truth of where we all are in this process as one. I realized with a assistance from one spectacular literally mind blowing being in 3D/earth whose name I will not reveal yet, that something had to be done to change our current way of existence. For the acceptable existence of demons or lost beings as well as war, abuse, violence, child molestation could not be tolerated.

It was fascinating to watch demons in application, dimensionally. And the strangest thing is, that the apparent enlightened beings, as they portray themselves on earth resisting negative energies, blocking out the bad, separating themselves from the demons had the most demon attachments of any being on earth. For it works as follows, if one resist negative energy and only focus on positive, a polarity is created. And within the application of that which you resist, persists and a compounding of the negative energy occur and the complete opposite is attained. And thus demons had a feast, on earth feeding off beings’ emotions. Now I have another question, if such demonic applications were allowed on earth, why haven’t the beings channeling the masters, the angels, the gods or goddesses done anything to assist the beings on earth who are being influenced by the demons. Yet again, confirming my statement that the beings channeling were only speaking beautiful words, but not practically doing anything to support the beings in process on earth.

It angered me that these so called Gods, higher beings, enlightened beings, masters and angels in the dimensions or heaven were doing nothing as a practical application to assist the world. Surely, from having so much knowledge of the universe one would think that there’d be a being who would take responsibility for all as one, and stand up as the image and likeness of God and do something about what is really going on. So, the question remains, how do we change this reality?

I have an answer and no, unfortunately it is not news of Jesus coming on a cloud, saving everyone. It is the simple act and application of forgiveness, for as I have said, God do not exist. We are alone and thus, we have only ourselves to trust and to stand up, as all as one, as the image and likeness of God. How I got to this and the application of what it means to stand up, as the image and likeness of God, will be explained during another channeling. I will also explain how demons in present day do not exist any more, and how there is now only one heaven, and how all of us in this new heaven will support all beings in 3D/earth to bring forth the new earth. I am here for this moment, sharing with you this message, that we all are currently part of the process of bringing forth the new heaven and the new earth. The new heaven has already been established. We had to give up everything, to go through the eye of the needle, to be able to experience the new heaven. And, thus now with our current understanding, we will be assisting you to establish the new earth.

My apologies, for this channeling, being rather vague, but my next channeling will be more specific, and detailed in explaining my process. Surely, I am specifically not going into detail yet, so that you may start asking questions. So that all of you who read this, can stop being sheep, always following and start taking yourself in your own hands and take responsibility for yourself as all as one.

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the critique from "Exploring Ascension"--Osho seems to be appalled by what he found. So much manipulation by all kinds of beings trying to take away energy from others in those realms and exploiting people in our realms. He describes a big mess, with hardly anyone knowledgable enough to fix matters: everyone seemed to be repeating the same stuff again and again. He also was surprised that there was no real god to be found in this heaven. He doesn't talk a lot about the 'invisible college' which represents the counter part of the theocrats. These 'guys' from the invisible college are promoting the discovery of sovereignty in themselves in the people on Earth, whereas theocrats strive to continue the idea that only god knows what is right and what is wrong: the belief in higher beings worth worshipping and following.

For now it seems likely that Osho has learnt enough skills during his life to realize the relativity of the realities that he witnesses; I wouldn't be surprised if he has managed to tune into various realities as a consequence of this skill seeing through the 'illusory' nature of many realities that 'people' believe are true. If that is really the case it would be quite interesting indeed to see what Osho and we all can do to clean up this astral mess.

'WE ARE ALONE IN THIS PROCESS: THERE IS NO GOD'
For now I am not inclined to agree with Osho here. It does seem likely that there is no 'god' to be found in the biblical sense of the word. I also think that the astral planes are filled with 'fake gods' and that it is hard to see beyond this. I still prefer to think that we are all part of a Tao, but that we got shattered along the way. We are 'alone' in the process in the sense that we probably have all the elements necessary available in order to clean up the mess and learn our lessons ourselves.

I prefer to think that even the theocratics and 'demons' that probably exist in the astral realms are also parts of creation which hold keys to why things ended up as they are. Perhaps even the theocrats realize somehow that is show cannot last forever, perhaps the ascension of our planet raises the vibrations even in these planes, making it harder for them to continue their plays of energy plundering. I think we are all parts of god and we need to realize our own sovereignty: to believe in a god in heaven that will save us all is a sign of the master-slave'-thought-form as far as I am concerned. I prefer to think in the lines of a shattered holographic connection that can be reestablished through understanding the origins of this current state of affairs.

'DEMONS'
I don't really like the sound of this word, so I prefer to speak about 'lost souls' or 'lost fragments' that desperately try to continue their existence by preying upon others in order to drain their energy. Osho mentions that especially human emotions are exploiting to feed these lost ones. In line with the War in Heaven book and other ascension paradigms, this seems logical: the astral planes were not part of the original program; they were created - perhaps by the Anu - to perpetuate life in a way that is not physical. However, the physical would provide the energy for the astral planes. This caused the dependence of the astral planes upon the physical planes.

If we are to take this clearing of the astral planes seriously we need to find a solution to this 'problem' of lost souls: how can they be reintegrated into the physical in such a way that they contribute to the ascension of the whole? Or is there another way to get those lost ones to return home? Would there be a way to make them realize that they are in a repetitive loop? Couldn't we find another way to sustain them without the dependence on physical life and emotions? Are these lost souls perhaps a representation of distorted thought-forms which are allowed to continue as long as the corresponding thoughts are present in the minds of the people on Earth. Perhaps thought-form transformation equals the transformation of these lost souls into more benign and harmless variants?

So perhaps we should not focus too much on transformation of people's reality perspectives, but more on the practical cleaning of the astral mess. Perhaps Osho can present examples of repetitive patterns. These patterns are probably caricatural of certain thought-forms. By seeing those caricatural, perhaps archetypal, behavioral patterns we might notice the corresponding thought-forms in our reality perspective. This might stimulate us to question these thought-forms.

That would be the approach that I would suggest: present us with examples of effects of certain thought-forms, without telling us what to do. Just the mere presentation of them, nothing more, nothing less. No subtitles, no fancy theories.

A MIND BLOWING BEING ON 3D EARTH
Who on Earth is this? Another guru waiting to be worshipped, or is something else going on?

A NEW HEAVEN
Osho ends with the words that everything seems to be fine already in the astral planes. This is rather strange to me. Here I am trying to think about ways to clear these astral planes: end this 'war in heaven' and now Osho tells us that everything is already settled. They are all combined in heaven and ready to support us. Whatever happened to the theocrats and these lost souls? What happened to all these 'thought-form mirrors'? I would also like to read a detailed description of this process. What about the dependency relationship between the astral and the physical plains? Did they find a solution for that as well?

In the beginning he speaks in the first person singular, and later on he switches to the first person plural: did he become a spokesperson for the 'new heaven'? I look forward to another message in which these topics mentioned in this article are dealt with and perhaps answered.

and so do i. so will have to look for it, as it comes up.  what do u make of this? very interesting, and supported by alot of stuff LM, lala, and many other astute explorers have said, and experienced.  we're getting way closer.  and the idea of the new heaven and new earth is in here, as above, so below, with the merging of these astral realms,  and the talk of swords lately.  all is connected.  and using our powers.  it looks, like, off the cuff, we are learning what we will have to do, somehow, with will and intent.  this is a mighty job, but i think we're up to it.  we feel responsible for it.  talk about having to have a"beautiful mind." and a clear open heart, and a will of fire, and now maybe steel.  not sure how and where to proceed, but we will have to get all senses on board, and vibrating strongly.  we have ourselves to count on, we knew that.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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and then today, i stumbled on this, checking out some links i had saved to look at...

HERMETIC  - ESOTERIC - MYSTICAL PHILOSOPHIES -- THE SIX AND SEVENTH SENSES OF MAN.

The true sages of all epochs have based their teaching on the seventh sense. This sense is based on the innate knowledge that belongs to the Spirit of man in which dwells the sublime knowledge of the creation of the universe and of its Source. Moreover, it also includes the knowledge and processes of the mystery of incarnation and of reintegration into the Absolute Uncreated Light. We therefore, understand that for us, this knowledge is still incomprehensible, since, to be able to enter in its dimension, we must have first perfected the seventh sense and its corresponding level of consciousness in our being.

The sixth and seventh senses function properly in man only when the Intelligence of the Heart is open in his psyche and is in harmony with his two Divine Witnesses (Soul/Spirit) What is the Intelligence of the Heart? It is the awakened functions of the Soul in man. The qualities which evolve gradually through intuition, and reveal the Soul’s divine gifts of an awe-inspiring quality. The seventh sense is of a much higher spiritual nature and  is not based on ordinary human understanding and logic. This is so, because its target is not the five physical senses, nor the rational emotional and mental faculties of man, but rather the AWAKENING AND MERGING FACULTIES OF THE SOUL AND SPIRIT IN THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF MAN HIMSELF. This is indeed the target and goal of the sixth and seventh senses. Moreover, the aim of the sixth and seventh senses is to awaken two higher functions, which are for the time being still dormant in most men. The mission of these spiritual functions cannot be revealed since they belong to the spiritual part in each one of us. The sixth sense allows the Soul’s impulses to filter into the consciousness of man. As for the seventh sense it performs perfectly well when the Spirit and the Soul blend and harmonize within the transfigured self-consciousness of man.

The manner in which one enters these very subtle levels of intuition cannot be explained or shown, since these refined senses are in themselves levels of consciousness and inner Paths of knowledge and enlightenment. The only way we could describe and comprehend their subtleties is through the development of our own personal and individual intuitive faculties. We get in touch with our Ideal Model and learn to unfold our personal goals and ideals through the impulses and intuition received and under their direction and guidance look out, and discover our personal goals and ideals in life.

The sixth senses is the spiritual faculty of the Intelligence of the Heart. Basically, it is the part in us that gives us a sudden "hunch", an inspiration, an intuition and our creative and artistic faculties. It makes us care, nurture and sympathize with people. Example, it helps us to interpret our dreams. The language of the Soul is a spiritual faculty that can be developed only through the Intelligence of the Heart. The seventh sense is something different. It activates, awakens and harmonizes all man's subtle energy bodies. It means that the Soul and Spirit of man have finally united and reintegrated their Pure Essence.

More explanations on these very delicate operations are futile, as they do not help. What counts is the beginning of this sublime Quest. And what is relevant to this Quest is how determined we are to follow it through. So the most important question that we should ask ourselves is this: are we ready to open up the energy and impulses coming from our Ideal Model? If the answer is yes, then we have nothing to fear, since all these inner phases and planes of discovery will open up their secrets to us in their own time. As we said, this sublime transmutation of our lower energies into their spiritual counterparts can only happen through the development of our sixth and seventh senses. Knowledge received through the seventh sense makes us participate instantly and fully with what is being received. In other words, the knowledge and the one receiving the knowledge unite, and become one and the same thing. By the reaction of their union they become something altogether new. In this case, it is the Intelligence of the Heart that is functioning as an instrument totally of the Soul and Spirit in man, since the seventh senses operates only through the energy of Divine Love and Knowledge. When do we become aware of Divine Love and Knowledge? This occurs when the ego, the Soul and Spirit of man unite in the acceptance of the enlightening Wisdom.

Or, we could take the example of a perfect athlete. Why take an athlete as an example? Because it is actually a good one. An athlete focuses and concentrates himself on an IDEAL MODEL, and learns how to transform himself, gradually into this Ideal Model. His talent resides in his trying to SURPASS his own limited possibilities, always attempting to better himself in his skills, patiently devoting himself to his sport. Pleasurable habits take a second place for him, and this might look from the outside as if he is making a great sacrifice. But to the athlete, it is not so. Through his athletic skills and performance his ego transcends its human limitations and conditions, and during such moments his perfect model and his conscious self merge making them become a whole new Soul Expression. Thus, our athlete becomes the physical expression, and the manifestation on this plane of the DESTINY that his Soul had prepared for him. We could go as far as to say that " during his athletic performance" he totally incarnates the Ideal Model engraved in his Soul. What does this example teach us? It shows us, two important things: firstly, that through the faculty of our sixth sense we can open our sensitivity to the vibrations of the Soul and receive the necessary impulses to overcome our weaknesses, and transcend our limitations. Through this process, we discover to our amazement, a world of new possibilities. Secondly, what we learn from this example is the fact that in the process of discovering our Ideal Model we are on the verge of discovering our real QUEST and GOAL in our life, and, even perhaps the meaning of our incarnation.

Thus, by following our intuition, we end up discovering our Ideal Model. However, this happens only if we choose to do so. It is therefore up to us to act now. Hence, the sixth sense takes us behind the veils of the illusions of the five senses and of the ego, helping us unfold within the subtle planes of intuition that brings CHANGE and TRANSFORMATION. However, the path of those changes and transformations entirely depends on our ego wanting to recognize its true Ideal Model. Thus, from the Ideal Model or Archetype of the perfect athlete to the inspired scientist or the illuminated prophet, it is most crucial and important to allow the process of our sixth sense to unveil for us whatever the Soul or Permanent Witness wants us to become. This is our destiny... Through the channel of our sixth sense of intuition our spiritual development unfolds more subtle qualities in our ego. This process is based on the purification and transmutation of the lower energies of our Soul Personality to their higher counterparts, so that the pure Knowledge and Divine Love of the Absolute can flow freely and filter its intense and radiant Light through our transformed ego/self.

Recommended Exercises

It is recommended that you become the observer of your own actions and reactions.
That you keep a personal diary in which you write your personal observations and your dreams.

Find your personal way of COMMUNION with your Inner Self; that sacred space within, in which Silence reigns.

It is in that Silent Place that your Ideal Model will appear whenever you are attuned to your Soul or Permanent Witness.

The Intelligence of the Heart and its attributes begin to function from within this Silent Space...

i think i get it.  the love and light scenario, taken into context with the above Osho info.

words of wisdom and channelings from 'higher' sources are just that.  they are from possible theocrats, even the ones who think or wish no harm, but are not interested in change.  only change transforms.  and the will and intent to have it so.  SO--when not getting application for influencing change, as they would have the status quo remain as it is, the same, in that endless samsara, as it must somehow suit their needs, no real info is given.  just know u r loved (Oh i bet!--cuz they NEED us, and NOT vice versa), so be at peace dear human, all is well.  therefore, u believe it, r encouraged to, and then, it's too late, because by god/golly, they must have wisdom, theyre on the other side).  u been bought, sold, fooled, trapped, disappointed.  the undiscerning human believed it all.  the message to stay all calm and loving, and go quietly into the light, did not encourage self-exploration, did not encourage questions, did not encourage growth.  it says  "trust in me, and u too shall have salvation" as in theocratic doctrine, from documents, dont worry, all is the mystery of god.  just believe and all will be just fine.

theocratic messengers do not want any application for anything, because then that would upset things, and they cant have that.  i really get this now.  thats why i cannot listen to any new age love and light st. germain, ascended master-type (forgive me if wrong on him/it/them, sorry) or any other channelings like that.  very tiresome from yrs ago.  very repetative.  aha.  i see all that now, real good.  Osho pulled the covers a little here, maybe, and hope hes not tricky either.  anyway, no frickin wonder on all this.  so the changes with technology, did speed us up with the net that allowed more reading, more discernment, more connecting of links, questions.  concerns.  more grouping of like minds.  we were able to see more openly than ever before, so it was supposed to happen like this, to eradicate them.  in this timeline.  yet, each must figure/contemplate their own personal journey, as to what THEYRE gonna do about it.  now that they KNOW.  that something must be done.  the seekers keep arriving at, and pondering, what to do/think/know when arriving at the DOORWAYS.  at the door of "heaven", or at cross-over.  we're being given a chance to break-THRU. thats why its a NEW heaven and a new earth. i get it.  theyd like ya to go along peacefully.  no questions asked.  no need for swords (wrong! for me, im takin a few, and more).  so one uses ur divine, defined senses to do the personal thing u think u must do, as ur destiny.  as u have found ur break-thru IDEAL, as u would have it be, self, ur mission.  mine is more defined as i go along each day, discovering.  recapitulating.  NOT REDEEMING.  to transmute self into one's IDEAL MODEL.

there is work to be done.  to learn how to harness, engulf, feel the way thru.  u can have all the forgiveness in the world, but u must be awake.  and fearless.  this is a feat in and of itself.  to see clearly.  all the theun mares,  castenada, don juan teachings, etc., spiritual warrior writings are prep.  they lead us to this.  they say to recognize and learn.  one cannot have a closed eye to the dark side, and go all love it to death.  and ignore it, and send it light, and all that.  (oh god, dear dear montalk, and Lyra, who saw this oh so (OS_HO!) looooonnnggg ago. and then showed us.  no thanks could ever be enuf here).   got this cleaning, between posts and reading.  u cant give up or surrender anything.  have to be fully awake. with that 6th and 7th sense, to go thru the 9th gate. thru the 11:11 doorway, or however its gonna be.  this even fits with the BSD (Binary Soul Doctrine) wherein Soul and Spirit UNITE.  there's the unity we're seeking.  when we get that done, and avoid the split, that they DO up there, then we make it thru whole, and not in duality, for others. yet to go thru.

and i sense that the theocrats have not seen or experienced a "new human" in a while.  so they dont know, nor believe what were capable of. dont expect it.  so theyre the ones sleeping, in their great palaces, behind their gates.  aha.  that osho channeling made me see--whose really asleep here.

forgot to say--it takes 2 things for change to occur  MOTIVATION and CONCERN...  we got both.  this is how we show love for fellow man.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"
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Tom Paine wrote: (top page four)
If you've read any of Carlos Castaneda's last books, he was giving tips on lucid dreamingand "magical passes" which are supposed to be movements to avoid being trapped orsnared by entities.  The lucid dreaming training has got to be a plus, because it teaches you to be aware and in control while in your dreaming body.  Not that I've studied this enough to be good at it, it's actually on my to do list.  In fact, I'm going to investigate which other types of psychic training would be best for me to concentrate on.

Did a thread ever develope on the teachings of awareness and control while dreaming?

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yeah PJ.  that reminded me.  went to bed early last nite or wouldve been on here,but was thinking of crossing off more connected things too, on "the list"--have a big list.  but wanted to do stuff on that.  TP turned me on to it, and he knows about it.  he even has a new book on it too. after investigating more stuff the other day and reading at m. tsarion's totally cool blog.  it stirred me on to do some stuff from him and get into the shadow self, and more stuff on recapitulation, and TENSEGRITY came up.  somewhere in it and i found a connection or something to it, and it resonated.  and we may need to know more on it for the crossover.   and for that matter--maybe everyday life.  that CC/don juan method for "magical passes" is TENSEGRITY.  they even have classes (a local chapter of his methodologists) in Palm Springs if im not mistaken.  check out these links.  there r also some newer (?) links to lucid dreaming i ran across lately, and will have to find, but i think from the RVer magazine/website that St. Clair is always mentioned on.  if i can find i will link, but go there and look around.  here:

www.tensegrity.com

www.castaneda.com

www.castaneda.org/english/tensegrity/index.cfm

PS--i did find the south african website ppl who channel osho (referenced from above postings) they say, but theres nothing new on it.

hey-- i just thot of it, EVEN BETTER!!!! why not study Sun Tzu's strategies  "The Art of War" !!!??  now, THAT's some GOOD STUFF.  now i/we can really get down and dirty, and focused real good, laser light 'good'.  ive always wanted to study it.  now, this gives even better, more meaningful reasons to get goin on that.  woo--hoo.

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Ar … untzu.html

ive got it--i tied them TOGETHER.  i better start lucidly dreaming, not really familiar with it, but maybe better GET  into/used to it.  as u said/suggested.  so here's the deal--oh this is good.  since we know were quantuum force/balls of light/personal vacuum domains, and we are portals and passageways ourselves, we on crossover-shift-death (the triad!! in my book, and i bet all will feel similar or at least throw us into the realms of 3 to 4 to onward D...)  we use what we know, and we are trained, specially=special forces. cosmic swat, we practice acclimation to these tactics, strategies, heart-mind sets, as we thinketh and feel, so shall it be, law under will, works all the way around, we use the tactics of tensegrity, the art of war, and lucid dreamning PRACTICE=FAMILIARITY to be able to recognize and then insert the same abilities as we go thru domains.

we get really good at it here, masterfully, so we can use and help others on the WAY thru.  there will be no stopping that sheer POWER.  nothing can get in the way.  were confident, aligned, in tandem, in force, EN-FORCE.  all the talents and skills, and abilities of pastlives come in here, as all is recapitulated, accepted, all is used in knowing gratitude, with intent of a warrior, using clinical "neutral awareness."  there is no judgement.  we do not "start any shit".... but if shit is started, well, then, well then, well...we will FINISH it.  we bore thru with all the best intent and will in the universe.  we go thru darkness, yea, thru the "valley of ???" but not to worry.  all is trined now, all is one, a "new and improved, evolved" one--all from parts of 'the old', even the ancient.  we in masse, we go enthralled.  we start this here now, and live from it, here and now.  where the LEARNING and prep is.  we finish-product this baby, with the tao/metaphysics of pure quality, as in that quality thread. 

we do this, with all summated for the big showdown.  we have discernment, we know who's who, and who or what is 'what' now.  we can recognize what beings come from where, pretty good, and their motives.  we have a refined sense of 'seeing.'  we have 7th and maybe more sense(s).  and if we see any dragons, or elves, befriend them but dont get on any cigar-shaped ships (theyre real bad) and NO TOUCHY touchy.  we know how and when to pull a sword.  we know when to call/ask for help.  we're really gettin it.  and we were supposed to.  even tho this may look like a bunch of fooling around, its really not.  can u just see this--we even call on each other here, by our monikers, not even using real names, but we do KNOW each other, and we may be in this for REAL--more real than we can imagine or know of now, together.  this has not been for naught.  this has been for KNOT.  what if the net is down?  the 3 days of darkness hit?  the stuff starts to shift, the veil is thinned.  we already know were difft than the ppl around us.  but were on the mission, and we know whats ahead.  we trained all this time for this.  we became masters on earth.  we believed and we learned and we grew.

that certain vibratory signature, that energy signature we all have summons and draws, and extends to each other, and those of likeness/like-mind/heart.  no joke kids.  im totally lookin forward to it, just like coming on each day.  each day learn more and more, and can feel it perking, growing, assimilating into a different self.  (a difft self than even in november '06.  noticed the difference when reading old posts today)==changed AGAIN.  feel way more calm, more assured, more advanced, more educated, less worked up, more solid.  all is weaving and growing, and its alot in the solar plexus.  wanted to tell u guys that today, after standing at the sink.  could feel a change.  big ones inside.  a growing into a more workable more wise self.  after all the battles, it just gets better and better.  cant die on every hill, use of energy has to be more balanced.  trying to live what i write, and read.  doing all that for lessons FOR THE SELF.  teaching the self, what it thinks and FEELS it should know, BE.    this is actually what ive wanted to say as one of the culmination points of my 'thesis.'  ever the perpetual student. broke away from the matrix institutions to DO THIS INSTEAD.  and its probably the best one i ever planned to write/think up.  we are all doing it.  ta-DA.  this bloomed on its own, but has been stirring to be said, and just 'came.'  today, in the now.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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i wanted to say one more thing. when my mother, first, then my father died, i DID NOT TOUCH either one.  nope, NO> NO.  i said...NO.  no way.  i sensed something on that.  i did not kiss them, did not touch them at all.  something said "u will not touch them, u KNOW better".  now, they had been dead for days, were embalmed.  the 3 days were over, if i can remember, at least they were for her.  him too, i think.   i knew of the pass-over cross-over deal, way before since i read those old "soul research" writings i had been given, by old Helen.  bless her.  (i thot of her the other day and sent thanks/gratitude, well wishes).  so see how that worked?  the same info comes up, in the book.  and by me touching them, then maybe i wouldve interrupted their journey and made a mess for them.  and that's simply NOT RIGHT.  works both ways. and who woulda thot id befriend her on the night shift and she'd give me those volumes.  they have/had tremendous info, and such titles.  theyre just like the cayce readings, and go on and on.  theyre so clean, so non-judgemental, so knowing and explanatory.  theyre pure wisdom--shared.  who knew old warrior lives and memories of that would lead to spiritual warriorship--and that darn book WIH.  i have felt connections all my life with the hatred of slavery and the forced dominion of 'the masters who rule.'  never knew that an alien visit would lead to understanding how the matrix worked, to conspiracy, and ultimately to religion, to bloodlines, ancestry, to recapitulation.  how i hated my father for the POW camp indoctrination, and his darkness, but i see why and where he came from, and how that dark side interweaves. killers recapitulate. healers used to heal by difft modalities.  warriors fought wars, but this time, they dont "kill".  they use the memories to right what was wronged, attempts to be righted, as ones own story goes.  from micro to macro.  amazing. and i wanted a prison gang member marking on my neck, just like the bad guys have that says "F*ck Authority"-- tattooed right on the neck.  way bad.  and thats the feeling i have when i dig into WIH.  so i know my job.  and was lead to it.  lead self right to it.  all is as supposed to be.  planned by higher self.  prob with help and with tremendous gratitude.  (even tell the self "thanks" alot. outloud).  if u look back, in your life, esp newbies, u will see how it enfolds.  is on track.  if there really is no free will, and even that has been parasitic, there sure as hell has been FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION.  which is full of possibilities and opportunities, no matter what "they do" or try to to impart, or insert.  delving into that book, made the notion cement in, and all the topics lead to a better understanding of where one comes from, and will go. being on NR, and all the GREAT STUFF, helped to individualize the knowingness.   and unfold the thesis.  a personal sci-fi story that apparently happens alot here, on earth, if u connect the dots, draw the lines. its how that works. 

today's horoscope:  If it feels as though there are not enough people in your life right now, have faith that the support you need is coming to you very soon. You may get comfort from discussing your hopes and desires with other people, but in the end the answers always come from deep inside of you anyway. You have the strength, knowledge and determination to solve whatever dilemma you're facing now -- have no doubt about that!   there is no dilemma.  just messages, lessons, synchs abound.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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That's interesting about not touching the dead, Zenden.

I made a thing about touching my M-I-Ls embalmed body, even though Mrs me didnt want to go there.

M-I-L has played maybe an overly important part in many of my dreams (and fantasies) since.

You are making me wonder if I need to do an 'exorcism' of sorts .

I often get that she is a]In my soul family b] A former lover

It doesnt affect my waking life, but I suppose Carl Jung would have had a field day.

Do you throw the baby out with the bathwater?. I have asked for advice on this and always get the 'Don't worry - it's Ok'

Your post just gave me a little willie. big_smile (as opposed to 'the willies' - a british expression for a fright)

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nah--dont worry.  probably all is fine.  i just thot it was totally CURIOUS that here i am, many yrs later and there THAT was.  from reading about no touchy touchy in a book.  the truth of it was that i just felt it was interruptive.  if theyre trying to pass, and there's confusion, or earth ppl keep slinging grief and fear, and all sorts of 'trapping' stuff at them, and theyre in a vortex and dont know whats up, then it may have been just another deal to bring them back.  i read that sometimes, the dead get confused, and they sometimes will try to get back in the body, if theyre wigged out on where to go, and having trouble making decisions.  thats all.  im sure the cool parents i had, and ur M-I-L knew what was up and wouldve been and ARE fine.  prob were watching us and going "my god, those 2 read too many books, too many stories, and look at this, scared to touch us."  u werent but i was worried, even just a little.  and all that swirling grief, and sorrow, i just felt, "dont spread that u nut, if u know anything by now..."  thats all. those readings i mentioned had a lot to say on the cross-over.  lots of info.  i will bring them to the bar at the end of the universe, and show u when we sidle up and pick our barstool seats.   

and when the dear neighbor died in the street that time, here, out front, that lead to some way interesting circumstances, that i tried to learn from.  the wife, my buddy, was in total grief, misery. and barraged me to help her understand.  i was gonna go to a psychic anyway, so i had an appointment, and took her with.  before we could even get behind the curtain, and start up (it was in an old metaphysical bookstore), and the psychic could shuffle her cards, and i could take a seat as i was going in first, and before i could tell her i had brought a friend, and before Linda the psychic could even shuffle her cards (this one used tarot as her start prop tool) Linda, throws back the curtain, all worked up and very anxious, all wiggy and freaked and MAD, and she goes real loud (which was unusual for her, as shes very low-key, quiet, pensive, a hard-worker for very little money)--she yells out  "  OK--who's doing this?  who IS DOING THIS?   who are the 2 women that are ruining this man?  who are they?  i want them to stop it right now. i want it stopped immediately.  there are 2 women who are keeping this poor soul trapped and circled in black darkness, and pain.  i want those 2 to quit that immediately and know that theyre hurting and preventing this dear man from his journey."  and i go omg.  she says and points to the friend/wife, and says "its you and his mother isnt it?  ur the wife and its his mother, ur mother-in-law that is doing this, unbeknownst to u both.  u dont know what ur doing and u are making everything so much worse."  and it was true.  they both were in the worst way and were so angry at the guy who ran over him, that they were besides themselves, all with lawyers, and cops, lawsuits, and money issues, and insurance issues.  it was total mayhem in those 2 households.  its a long unneccessary story, but it taught me alot.  i was there, in it all.  and it taught me tons.  they could not let him pass, and since it was a total slammo traumatic accident that flew him up into the air about 150 feet, he was traumatically taken out, unexpectedly, and horribly. nobody in that family could stand it, and anger and misery was the order of the day.  he kept appearing all over, and was in my backyard, her backyard, footprints in talcum powder in her bathroom.  appeared to the new neighbors when she moved, surrounded in gold light in the backyard, again.  messy and icky, but he was ok.  when things calmed down after that, as my friend finally realized she had to let him go, and be more at peace with the idea of him getting to "higher ground", it all got better, and he sent white birds, doves, all the time.  as a symbol/sign.  the M-I-L, his mother, took way longer to get better.  it all worked out, but the friend completely changed, and is gone out of my life.  all after that, and found a different self.  a completely difft self.  and all that is fine. 

it was a type of gift to be involved in that, and it changed me too.  im sure the message that came to u, that all is ok--is right on and the way it is.  all is OK.  and not to worry.  im sure they both were laughing their asses off at me and my strange ways, and my mother went "yep--shes doing weird stuff again, and always was into such weirdo things, god..."  ur mo-in-law loved u and u her.  thats all that matters.   u know how those SOUL "family" members, and EX's are.  the love and caring, and wanting to be together passes thru all dimensions, past and future.  we need them up/out there, and vice versa.  no need to exorcise a thing.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Thanks Zenden. Here I am (at work) and a tear rolled down my eye reading that!!. Your post helped me so much, to put that one to rest. You are a star. smile

I know we do meet in that 'reconnaittre' place, you know. I saw you and a whole room full of NR peeps in a vision I had (not a dream), even though I hadnt been thinking about that in any way shape or form.  I was then taken aside to be shown the real reason for the vision, a personal message for me and mrs me. I think that room full of happy people, was just saying, 'Yes - you are in the right place , and it all works out in the end, and some of these people are in your soul group, too.'

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funny u say that, i see us too.  all of us.  and have before.  i know/feel that somehow, some way, (and we're pretty jazzed about it) we actually DO MEET--for real.  its gotta happen.  its gonna happen.  i totally look forward to it.  not that im 'down', or anything, (am NOT)  but it really gives one something cool and fun to live for.  i personally cant wait.  and i think we ARE in/from/connected somehow, in/from some sort of oversoul or each other's soul groups.  we gotta be.  it works this/that way.  i swear it does.  this is the joy and outlandish wonderment of it.  we doubt less and less now, that what we have researched is "separate" from us and the 'reality' were in.  what we see, feel, know, is NOT in a dis-connected 'duality', its really the 'way" it is.  as far-fetched as it all may appear, or sound like.  that the energy signatures, vibrations, frequencies, have melded, and there really will be, and IS already drawing "the meeting" to a place and time. 

and, im gonna be real disappointed if it takes a long time, but its gonna reveal itself, and happen.  ill just say this though, and i mean it wholeheartedly, that in the now, and in the future, (and i know this gets/sounds OLD--for god's sake, i realize) i truly will be thinking of NR people, and new members with the great vibes like Darkstar/Nixie--hey! glad ur here!  so, at the shift/crossover/WHATEVER the hell happens, and keeps on happening ... and ill be going  "OH MY GOD--what is Blue, ET AL NR FRIENDS!!! thinking and feeling of THIS right now!?"  when "shit happens."  and stuff happens all the time, and there's a collective awareness that ripples thru.  all the time, now.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"