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Here's one that happened to me when I was in Bali many years ago.

Was with then boyfriend and we checked into dongas near the volcanoe, went for an afternoon nap.  This nasty little thing, presence, shadow was chasing me round and round the donga.  I kept trying to wake myself up.  At one point, thought I was awake, woke up bf, but he had a beard (which he didn't), He said "I love you" and then spewed at me and changed back to negative entity, and on it went, trying to wake up, think I am awake, then find I'm not, and thing is still chasing me.

That night, same donga, same thing.  This time I was thumping bf next to me and screaming in my dream.  Thinking I'm awake, then finding I'm still being chased.  Finally bf wakes me up shaking me.  Said I had been screaming and thrashing around and thumping him.   Went back to sleep, and there it was again.  Finally refused to sleep in donga, we got out of there.

Similar to dreams I had as a kid from about 12 til about 22, where shadow man would chase me round and round my house, through windows, around furniture etc.  Recurring dream, often. He never did catch me.   Until when about 22 I was staying at my uncle's house and shadow man appeared on top of me (always in actual house/room where I am sleeping), and said "Now I've got you".  Just then my uncle appeared in the corner up on the ceiling and said "oh no you don't".  Don't know what happened after that, but I have never seen it again.

phew!

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

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I've just experienced my second hostil dream in a one month period.  Many things happened.  I was at school again, and noone was giving me any respect.  The class was chaotic and my classmates were acting very agreesive and changing their behavior almost non-stop.  I was constantly moving seats to find people that I resonated with and it wasn't until the very end that I found someone, although this kid was blind, meaning?? 

Afterwards the scene shifted to outside where I began to practice my flying capabilities.  In both these hostil dreams I was flying as well.  I began to learn that I had to use my energy to fly.  It got easier as I practiced.  Before I begun to take flight, I was at some house and I felt that I had to save someone inside, so I kicked the door down only to see Captian Picard assimilated as a borg.  He tried to shoot me with his red laser beam, but it missed.  There was a guardian there but he was in the process of metamorphisis and couldn't help at the moment.  I ran around the houses corners to avoid and possibly loose him, but he was still there.  We had a quick brawl, then I decided to start flying and flew away.  I landed in a shopping mall, and the only people to notice me were kids and everyone seemed mechanical.  This is around the time where I left and began to practice flying.

I arrived at a house where a bunch of teens were having a party.  There was some joke that you were suppose to spill bear on the floor, and when I walked through the door I did.  Mysteriously a beer had been in my hand. lol I don't even drink.  And it turned out it wasn't a joke afterall and a bunch of tough guys challenged me.  Studying martial arts recently, I wasn't afraid and took my stance, and I took one guy out with a kick and everyone else backed down.  I left this party.  While walking to the party I was a bunch of houses which had words written on them, although I can't recall them at the moment.  Then I arrived at a late night pub of sorts after me and some friends played hockey.  We were standing around when one of them says "Oh there goes the bus".  I turn around and with super speed I catch up to the bus, look straight into the bus drivers eyes and ask him to wait, and hold up my finger to indicate one minute so I could get my friends.  He kept on driving.  When walking back to the pub a car tried to run right into me and I jumped on top of it, but my stick still ended up being broken.  The guys comes out and acts all friendly.  He talks with the guys I played hockey with for awhile then leaves.  We go into the late night pub and it seems most of the dream characters were there.  And on the television, there is none other than ritualistic sex going on, very mechanical like the scene in Eyes Wide Shut.  After seeing that I woke up.  Felt a little drained of energy, but I've had an abundant source lately so it's all good.  But why am I getting these dreams now? 

Oh!  I forget the most important scene right before I awoke.  I went back outside after seeing that television show in the pub, and I quickly saw two UFO's!  I put my hand up to them and told them to go away, like when Neo stops the bullets in the Matrix, and they left, but their movement wasn't smooth but rather choppy like they aren't moving through space but constantly appearing and re-appearing in a different location.  First time seeing something like that in a dream. 

Time for some energy work now though to power up again.  Why do they try? wink

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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Natural Mystic wrote:

But why am I getting these dreams now?

Huh...I don't know, but there are a lot of possibilities to consider.  I'm not some expert dream interpretor (in fact, I suck! haha) but here are some ideas maybe:

- Something was trying to mess with you to feed on the resulting aggro/stressed energy;
- There's stresses going on in your daily life and it's manifesting in your dreams;  whether with your job, school, home, friends, or whatever;
- Maybe the dream was representative of a battle you're currently experiencing right now as you awaken. The idea of "dark stuff" trying to exert its will and keep you down, but you're fighting back.  The UFOs you said "No" to, the hostile guys at the party you got all kung fu on, brawling with Capt. Picard and flying off, etc.

I don't know, there's a lot of possibilities.  It sounds like it was a long and very vivid dream sequence.  Those are always pretty interesting and indicate something unusual taking place, whether manipulation to feed on the negative emotions or symbolic representation of events taking place.  The key is to log it and look at everything going on around it all.  What (if any) other unusual or interesting happenings have gone on while you're awake, because that may tie into it.  Dreams really can't be isolated from the waking state, you have to group everything together and step back and look at the whole. smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Hey thanks for the reply lyra.  You pretty much hit it I think with the third one.  In the past few months, I'd have people try to imprint their version of 'reality' on mine, and in a way I am fighting back, but not physically - it's comes from a sense of knowing now that I didn't have before, where confidence in myself has risen to new levels.  These challenges are part of what I call training, and testing out new awareness' and Ideas.  A few nights ago for example, I was talking with my mom and she was talking about a bunch of movies she saw that she liked, and then since I couldn't contribute to the movie discussion I said "I haven't watched any movies in awhile" and then it happened like a reaction, my mom verbally attacked me.  Her tone of voice changed and she replied "Well you still get your media from the internet."  I wasn't even speaking about her - it is coming to a point where simply being and expressing myself is challenging others. 

I do not wish to influence people like that really, I like to give everyone space, so that they may create also.  I always say when speaking "In my personal opinion" or something similar.

Again thanks for the reply, you've made me think about how the dream relates to this side of the waking/dreaming dual reality, if indeed that's what it is...

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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Well, I woke up this morning from a terrible dream which I believe was either a Virtual Reality Scenario or hostile manipulation of some sort.  For me, what sets the dream apart from others is 1) the realistic sequence of events, 2) incredibly logical thought processes, even identifying logical fallacies from within the dream, and 3) the fact that I began the dream as someone other than myself.

I began the dream as male.  For those who don't know, I'm female.  I had a brother (I don't in real life), and we were out in a swamp or bog in a Jeep Wrangler.  Hmmmm... just realized that Wrangler has shown up in another dream that felt VR a long time ago.  Anyway, we were the sort to get into trouble in a very malicious, perhaps criminal way.  We began to fight, viciously beating each other.  He was getting the upper hand when I pulled a rifle out of the Jeep and shot him.  For some reason I can even remember the bullet.  It was silver, and shaped exactly like a rifle bullet I've seen:  conical with a point and fatter in the middle. 

Shaken by what I had just done, I went into a building nearby where a party of some sort was going on.  I was still male at this point, and as I was descending a staircase to get to a locker, a woman came onto me.  This annoyed me because I had too much to think about at that time.  The whole time, all these thoughts were running through my head.  "Why didn't I wipe my fingerprints off the gun?  Wait a minute-- my fingerprints aren't in the system, so maybe they won't find me.  No, they took my fingerprints for my new driver's license a few months ago. Damn!  Should I go back?  No, the police are probably there already."

So at this point, I drove to a small town where I was to meet my husband.  I immediately became female again without any sort of transition.  We were walking through the streets when I decided I needed to tell him what I had done.  He's in law enforcement; perhaps he could tell me how to get out of this, or he could even get the evidence and destroy it.  I told him and asked him what I should do.  He said to turn myself in, which is NOT what I wanted to hear.  He then said, "Be sure to tell them I didn't know until this point.  I HAD been planning to testify for you."  What?  I noticed this glaring discrepancy right away.  How could he have been planning to testify on my behalf when he didn't know what I had done? 

He then said, "This makes me think I don't even know you at all.  Just moments ago, we were racing each other down the street, and you were laughing like you didn't have a care in the world."  I thought back, and could not for the life of me remember racing down the street laughing. 

I was about to point this out when I woke up and saw my husband standing in the doorway. (This part is real life)  I told him about the dream, and he even wondered whether it was because he had bought a new gun yesterday.  I don't think so, because he bought a pistol, and the gun in my dream was definitely a rifle.  Besides, he's had a shotgun for a long time and it's never affected my dreams.

I even wonder whether someone passed by our house who had done this and was thinking about it, and I sort of "received" it and took it on as a dream.  Or it could have been manipulation.  Who knows?  Definitely a downer, though.

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Lono, it's interesting how you were alerted to the 'glaring inconsistancies' in your dream, because that's something I nearly always fail to do. If I dreamt I was walking down a road wearing shoes made of cheese, the chances are I'd accept it as perfectly normal behaviour.

I often wake up and remember some ridiculously daft part of a dream or an obvious inconsistancy and want to kick myself for having not sussed it and had the chance to lucid dream.

I was recently thinking about how a few years back I went through a phase where I would see the same person in many of my 'disturbing' dreams, but who wasn't someone I knew in real life. It was a bloke, probably in his forties, who resembled a fatter & ugly version of Vic Mackie (The Shield). I would often be chased, attacked or trapped by him and then wake up in a panicked state and sometimes briefly aware of a presense around me. It was definately the same person and he always had a strange look in his eyes whereby they seemed to be brighter/more alive & intense than those of other people in the same dream.

This is a trend I've noticed in other dream antagonists as well. For example, I may have been in a room full of people and then met eyes with someone who had the same strange look in their eyes and it would then be that person who went on to harrass me in some way.

Something interesting happened once when I managed to stop one of these characters in their tracks and throw them completely. I was stood outside my old apartment and talking to an Asian man who was telling me how he intended to buy the whole block. I asked him what he wanted to do with it and he replied 'I want to turn it into a morgue' and as he said it his eyes seemed to 'turn on' in the same way as previously described.  Thinking about it now it could have been an obvious attempt to scare me, but I failed to grasp the implication of what he said and instead replied with something ludicrous like 'oh well the first thing you need to do is replace those dodgy windows'. This seemed to stump him and he looked bewildered and puzzled (eyes no longer 'switched on') as if to say 'that didn't work, so what the heck do I do now?'.

'Tea is drunk to forget the din of the world' - T’ien Yiheng.

'You are here for no other purpose than to realise your inner divinity and manifest your innate enlightenment' - Morihei Ueshiba (Founder of Aikido).

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Well, Green, noticing those discrepancies is something new.  In the past, I would have done just as you say you normally do-- not notice it until later.  Who knows-- maybe I'm slowly achieving my goal of becoming lucid while dreaming.  Or maybe someone messed up their lines.  smile

Interesting about the eyes.  That strikes some sort of chord in me, but I can't consciously remember anything about it.

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It's my observation that whatever entity or entities control the dreamscape can manipulate us just as someone would do in a virtual reality 'game'.  I have had experiences in my sleep that have consisted of my being someone else, not thinking I was someone else, being someone else.

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Green T, I am so glad you wrote about your experiences and I happened to stumble across the topic.  Hostile dreams are something I have had many of.  I can relate to almost all you have said and I think you have gone about dealing with it in exactly the right way.  As far as I know, evil entities will feed on those who allow them, once you deal with the initial fear and decide that you dont want any part of their games (as thats all it is) it will start to happen less and less. In my experience they will try again now and then but even in my unconcious state I know how to deal with it now and have won each time, the most terrifying experiences were those where they would "attack" whilst my spirit was not present in my physical body, this was when I felt I was paralysed and could not speak, it usually took a few seconds and I would will the evil entity away and could then sit up. I also had a very scary "dream" where an evil entity was holding me up to the roof of my bedroom above my bed, I couldnt move and its face was in mine, it was screaming at me and the face was hollow and black, almost skeletal, I screamed and fought back and eventually this evil entity faded away and finally looked at me with a sad, defeated look, I felt good after that.  I no longer fear these things happening to me.  Thank you for sharing, for a long time I have spoken to nobody about this apart from my dad who seems to understand and have the same beliefs as me.

Fear is the unknown!

25 (edited by Blue 2007-02-07 03:37:22)

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I had one of these psychic attacks just a few days ago. I woke up and my head felt like there was an iron band squeezing it, with a screeching sound in my head, and as I looked into the corner, there was a small alien staring at me.

I tried to get up, but was being pushed down by some force. I was really angry and used all my force to push myself up past it. I ended up 'in the air' with the duvet 3 foot above the bed. I looked at Mrs me and wondered why she wasnt complaining about the duvet.:).  Then I tried to get to the little shit and it was like there was a brick wall in between me and it, and by the time I got past it, the entity was gone. I ran outside to chase it and outside the landing turned into a  farm house, and I realised it was a dream.

Prior to this I had been reading a lot of posts on NR about the negs and how powerful they were and how powerless we are against them, and the posts were quite depressing ,I must admit I was sucumbing to fear a bit, by letting the futility of it all play on my mind.

I spoke to my HS as soon as I awoke, and he said that I shouldnt be afraid, it was just an illusion, a holographic projection. He said I should maybe stop reading all these negative things, and concentrate on more positive thoughts, ( I was pissed off with my HS at this, as I said the band on my head didnt feel like an illusion (which it obviously was)).  I was annoyed that we couldnt fight back.  My HS seemed to say just sit there and observe, which I felt was bullshit. Then someone on here posted the Godumentary site link, and I read that invocation...

“I here and now command in the name of Jesus The Christ that if there is any entity that is not of the most evolved form of the Jesus The Christ consciousness, that is not of the most evolved form of God I Am, then you are to here and now disappear and cease to exist . This I command in the name of Jesus The Christ. “

That's given me great hope and strength. I am learning this off by heart, it is a powerful mantra.

I don't think that is the last episode though, as I believe we have now entered the 4th dimension, a place we would not normally go, until we actually die. This is like the 'purgatory' that people went to after death. And it is going to get worse, the nearer we get (we are only on the outer edges of the 4th dimension now). 

I know people have said many times on here about the reality within a reality (eg -sheeple following the 'false' light at the end of the tunnel, to be recycled again in the loosh farm), and I believe the only way to escape this is to raise your vibrations to the 5th (6th?) dimension. We have to convince ourselves that we really do belong there, we have done nothing wrong, we are already perfect and we have a right to go back home.

Is this how you do it.??

Once you manage to get there (the Higher Dimensions), in spirit,  cut the cord, from that side. 
Easy to say, and much harder to do, I know, but much better than being stuck here forever.

At least its a Plan B, if the shit really starts hitting the fan.:D

26 (edited by zenden 2007-02-07 09:30:45)

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ur the best Blue.  we have to move from 3-4 to 4.5--5.0 while here.  u got it.   i will have to think more on ur cord cutting dealie.  there's some thot necessary on that one.  sick of the guilt too.  liked what u said on the purgatory notion.  cross between that and hell here on earth.  feels like were in the bardo here.

i used that christos invocation when the greys hassled me, it works wonders.  that godumentary website requires more reading.  i spent some time there yesterday.  its one that has been around a long tine, but is all looking new these days.  dont know what to make of the arcturians.

i been dreamin my ass off lately, and all 'bad' stuff, but no manipulations that i can wake up and remember.  lots of dead relative stuff though.  i feel them getting closer as the veil thins.  like theyre trying to communicate but it's not them really.  tricksters showing up but no creatures.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Yes, I've had a few spiritual attacks in my dreams as well as OBE's. I love to dream and so I'm very aware of the difference between lucid dreams, psychological dreams- that relate to my real life, and spiritual ones.

I've had many of the dreams mentioned here. I used to have one recurring every few years or so of an evil presence in my house. I couldn't see anything physical but I would walk around my house looking for this 'thing' to destroy it. The problem was it would manifest in different objects. Sometimes it would inhabit a doll or a plant or a  piece of clothing and I would destroy the object only to find it had moved elsewhere! Very frustrating. I would wake up tired like I'd been fighting all night.


One scary one I had in college was when I woke up in my single pitch black dorm room to an enormous pressure on my back. Someone or something was sitting on my back and their hands were closing around my throat! I was so scared I actually willed myself back to sleep instead of waking up because it felt SO real that I didn't want any part of it in a fully conscious state-if that makes any sense. hmm

Another really weird one I had was an astral projection-also in college. It was unmistakeable. I woke up in the middle of the night for no reason, fully conscious-except that there was this loud staticky buzzing in my ears-like a radio tuned between stations. I was like: WTF?! I don't HAVE a radio! then my body started to ROTATE on my bed and I slithered [no other way to describe it] off the bed.

I didn't have any control at this point I was simply in shock and disbelief that this was happening. Remember I felt in every respect, fully conscious and awake. It was not a dream. Once I had slithered off the bed onto the floor i kept moving on my stomach like a serpent!  During this whole time, the sensation of incredible energy was coursing through me. It was like nothing I had ever felt before. I felt like I could kill anything-I felt all powerful, predatory, and incredibly strong.

I think that I may have been possessed by a reptilian entity.

It's only recently that I've come to this conclusion. At the time of the dream I knew nothing of reptilians or alternative theories, but I remember thinking immediately afterwards that I was behaving like a snake and I also remember thinking that I had vampirish capabilities while having the 'dream' yikes

My People Were Fair And Had Sky In Their Hair...But Now They're Content To Wear Stars On Their Brows

-Tyrannosaurus rex

28 (edited by GreenT 2007-02-07 10:51:54)

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Hi JM25, glad to see you find these posts useful. I find it fascinating to read about the different experiences people have, both in the way they are similar to my own and also the one's that are nothing like I've ever encountered (like Shoogie's reptilian episode yikes).

The one you had where you were being held on the ceiling whilst being stared in the face by the entity sounds terrifying, although the image of its eventual sad & defeated face made me smile; I'll try to keep it in mind if I ever face such an encounter again.

I'm also quite interested in the way sexual energy can be drained off in a similar manner. Several times I have half awoken from a sexual dream to find myself myself being 'touched up'...without putting too fine a point on it.  Naturally I found myself pleasantly aroused from the experience until it clicked that 'erm...hang on, something isn't quite right here' and then I woke up properly.

On a recent occasion I became aware of a pressure on my bed, like someone slowly laying down next to me and I then felt an arm slip under my own and wrap loosely around my waist. It wasn't sexual at all and for the record, I was sleeping alone. This isn't the first time I've felt the sensation of someone sitting or laying down on the bed beside me as its happened a number of times over the years. Not quite sure what to make of it.

'Tea is drunk to forget the din of the world' - T’ien Yiheng.

'You are here for no other purpose than to realise your inner divinity and manifest your innate enlightenment' - Morihei Ueshiba (Founder of Aikido).

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Yeah its funny, I didnt really know where to start in this kind of "journey" of realisation then I read your post and thought uh huh, I have plenty to contribute to this... yours seemed most like my own experiences.  The dream where I was being held up to the ceiling was definitly the most terrifying but my win helped me deal with it and I dont think of it so badly anymore, I learned alot from it and its comforting to know that whilst I was in that state I knew exactly what to do and not back down.  I have always been told there are equal amounts of good and bad everywhere and neither one is necessarily the right way to go but it is your choice - I know what I choose and I will fight for it.

I remember a time when I was being hassled continuously by the same entity, I was about 5 years old I think and of course I now know the hassling continued because I was unaware of what was happening or how to deal with it.  I would be falling asleep in bed everynight always laying on my stomach, I would just about be asleep and something would hit me really hard across the back of my knees with what felt like a plastic pipe - It was horrible!  Its funny how vividly I remember this seeing as though it was just over 20 years ago now. 

So I guess that would be when it all started for me... has continued in many different ways since then and it still happening now.  Not so scary anymore though, very very interesting though!

Im not sure that I have had the sexual energy encounters, I think the one where you felt someone put their arm around you would actually be someone linked to you somehow, if it was non sexual then it could be someone who close in the way of a relative or someone but then they could have nothing to do with your current physical self so it could be a hard one to work out, maybe ask who it is in your head just prior to going to sleep, you may wake with the answer... let me know how you go smile

I have had to work out a similar one before, I had a visit from a young guy probably about 20 years old, I had no idea who he was and now cant remember exactly what he said but he did warn me that I needed to be careful in my car, I called my Dad in the morning and told him, he suggested I change my routines so I did, I left for work at a different time and left to come home at a different time for a few weeks and Im still here unharmed and no longer own that car so I guess it worked!  I still dont know who this person was though.

Fear is the unknown!

30 (edited by GreenT 2007-02-08 11:21:52)

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The arm episode reminded me of a similar thing that happened to my dad just after my mom died several years ago. He hadn't got to say his last goodbyes as she kind of left in a hurry and I was the only one with her at the time. Needless to say he was gutted, but a few days later he returned to bed one night after taking a leak and shortly after laying back down his ears were filled with a rushing/bubbling kind of sound and he was then overcome by a sense of complete and utter bliss. This was accompanied by the feeling of someone laying next to him and putting their arm round his waist and then my mom began talking with him (in his head).

I don't know anyone who's died recently and the only girls I've ever gotten really close to are still alive and kicking, as far as I know. Like you say, it might not even be related to this physical incarnation but I may try your suggestion and ask who it is.

From what I've learned off other people here, negative entities can be sneaky swines so it could be a covert attempt to pull at my emotions. As far as I'm concerned, anything that disturbes my sleep is invading my privacy and I treat it as such unless the reason for it being there is made fairly obvious or I'm able to suss it out myself soon after.

Your pipe whacking experiences must have freaked you out proper! As a kid I often had terrible re-occuring nightmares. I'd be somewhere non-descript but then I would find myself surrounded by blue shapes that would get closer and closer until they would be on the point of swamping me, at which point I'd wake up...usually having wet the bed. They would be accompanied by a horrid hissing sound that went up and down in pitch while getting louder as they closed in. Sometimes when I awoke I would still be able to hear the sound for a short time. Even now I occasionally hear something that resembles that sound and it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

But yes, I think you're right that maintaining a relatively calm state can deprive them of their food supply, yet from my experience expressing genuine anger towards them can also drive them away. This puzzles me a bit since I thought they would feed off such an emotion, but maybe it's a case of giving as good as you get...or better?

Have you read Montalk's book 'Fringe Knowledge'? In it he touches on the issue of negative entities and dreams, so it's worth checking out. I'm pretty green when it comes to a lot of what's discussed on this forum so I don't tend to post on other threads, but I've certainly found this book a good all round primer on the big scheme of things and it's brought me up to speed somewhat.

As a final thought: During his arm experience, my dad said 'look, are you alright?' and she replied 'I'm the same as you are' as if it was the most obvious thing in the world. Maybe it is.

'Tea is drunk to forget the din of the world' - T’ien Yiheng.

'You are here for no other purpose than to realise your inner divinity and manifest your innate enlightenment' - Morihei Ueshiba (Founder of Aikido).