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Great ideas and info, everyone... lots of great points to ponder!

Druid, thanks for posting the Sargel18 photo of the dragon energies.

Imagine that same image that he captured in the photo.....

But imagine it appearing in the sky right above the trees at the horizon line near sunset time.....

And then imagine it being formed out of thousands of geese, spontaneously appearing out of nowhere, to form a perfect dragon image just like the one in that photo.

I saw that several years ago. We've undertaken a lot of healing of the ley lines where we live, and it's been a long, long process because there was so much damage done here over centuries.  After one particularly powerful session of hours of shamanic drumming and healing work, we had finally reached a point where we had made major progress with our months of healing efforts.  My honey and I both felt this internal sense of "click," like, Aha! we finally got this right.

We went outside to relax and watch the sunset, connecting with the beauty of the outdoors again, which somehow seemed brighter and more lovely to us.

We were JUST saying to each other, "I hope the dragons and the devas and the trees, rocks, and so forth felt some good energy from the work we did,"....

And then thousands of Canadian geese (I have NEVER seen that many geese before or since, it was like something out of a fantasy movie,) appeared at the horizon line and formed the gorgeous, swirling, dragon shape very much like the one in Sargel's photo.

The form was perfection, an artist couldn't have depicted a dragon shape more perfectly.

And the neat thing was the head was in profile.......and the geese had LEFT A HOLE for the eye! 

The whole thing happened in a couple of seconds. The image of the dragon lasted several seconds, long enough for my honey and I to look at each other and go, "Are you seeing what I'm seeing?????" 

And the geese suddenly dispersed and were "normal" again -- loud, unruly, quarreling and communicating and splitting off into different groups. 

Did the mind of dragon communicate with us that day, using the geese to send a message?  I think so.  It was accompanied by a really loving and passionate burst of energy, and the whole thing was really exciting.

We were just glad that the natural forces had acknowledge the healing work we had done.  I think over a period of maybe three years we probably devoted about five hours a week to working on the ley lines here. So it was quite a lot of work and we learned TONS as we went.  Maybe that's why we were blessed to see such an "obvious" and clear "sign" that we had actually accomplished something.

I find that beings from different dimensional realities (the good beings) will often communicate in ways that are very ephemeral, very uniquely designed so that YOU obtain a clear underestanding that communication happened, and that these things can happen for a brief couple of seconds.  And this whole thing was accompanied by very loving, happy energy, so it was definitely a communication that we welcomed.

More soon - I just ducked in here for a second and wanted to share that!

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

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druid wrote:

Here's the page where you will find the dragon picture took by Sargel18.
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/endor2.html

I do not believe in this Sargel18 guy...

Also that blue thing is not a vimana!
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/endor2.html
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/Graphics/vimana.jpg

It is a precolombian airplane model!!
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Druid wrote:

Elementals do not possess the same wisdom as high angels. Elementals are somewhat under the spell of the laws of creation, they are bound up to their work. If we open up our higher selves to angelic intuition and inspiration, we can make the right imaginations by which we can collaborate again with elementals and bring happiness and joy in the world, health to man and nature.

But the signs of the times are clear : elementals are rebelling against man and they will certainly destroy its babelic construction in some near future, because our civiliastion is not in synch with the wisdom of nature, it hurts nature. We have to learn who to rebuild civilisation anew in accordance to the wise laws of nature.

Druid,
You are a profound metaphysician bro, these are some of the conundrums that have been, uh, I don't want to say tormenting me, but... These answers are good and speak to my longing for some resonable basis for discretion, and perspective. Co-operate with positive nature elemental energy, don't try to harness that force as in magic(k) for purely egotistical or materialistic ends, these are feeding an old energy that is no longer serving my personal human evolution; I'd rather commune with the angelics as a reflection of future potential self to aspire to. Yes, I would like to hang out in those realms for awhile.

It is funny that you refer to "babelic" civilization because last year I was working and had a whole social group experience in what I now call a vortex (quaint old-towne part of a suburban development annex to a city) and I look back and see that this place is full of hostile elemental and demonic activity (hmmm.... is close to military stuff). I started to refer to one place in particular there as "the tower of babel" because all of my interactions and agreements with people were totally confusing and plans for productive or creative projects always became a disaster, I often said it's like we're in different dimensions, speaking different languages on different planets." I had this experience in many places in this little area where nothing ever made any sense, so I think it was a polarized dimensional experience, because the earth elementals were out of balance because of the greed, deception and ok, sorcery of the people living and working in that little tract.-lala

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Lemuria

The Land And Time

That Imagination Forgot


Until Now

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Lemuria Wasn‘t Destroyed

THEY Finished What THEY Came To Do

And Vanished Back Into The Mists.......

However, Some Chose To Remain Behind.......

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From:

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R. J. Stewart:  These traditions consist of many loose strands connecting in a holographic way, and there is a sudden shift into timeless universal awareness and all the in between stuff isn't there. There is a property of human consciousness--something that happens in our awareness. We tend to project it onto the past, but it's really not the past or the future, but some kind of timeless present we step through.

R. J. Stewart:  What we think as time/space, time/space/energy, time/space/form is a relative thing. Our appearance, reality and identity is relative and different according to the relative point of view. Einstein describes something known in all the world spiritual and magical traditions--the identity, reality and location of the human being is something relative.

R. J. Stewart:  These spirits talk with you about the mysteries and energies of the land and about the connections between past and future. There are often elements of prophesy. It's deep and profound, and they never claim to be in some spirit dimension where they know everything or tell you what to do.

R. J. Stewart:  A number of these hymns invoke the angels of the Father in Heaven and the angels of the Mother in the Earth. The angels of the Mother in the Earth are what my ancestors in Ireland and Scotland called the Faery beings. There is an old legend connected with Lucifer, who is a being of light not some sort of satanic being. Lucifer comes down to the Earth, and with Lucifer come many other beings. These are who in the later Celtic Tradition became the Faeries. Lucifer was really a pre-Christian legend about consciousness and power becoming involved with the planet in pre-human time.

R. J. Stewart:  There are different levels of sleepers. To start with, it's about awakening things in yourself.

R. J. Stewart:  The sleeper can be yourself. It can be local, ethnic, tribal, mythic, religious and it can be planetary. Sleepers are about how consciousness and energy flow in and out of relative time, and how we connect to that and waken up things or put them to sleep.

R. J. Stewart:  The human being is a linking being between the Overworld and the Underworld. A whole part of us is deep in the Underworld and we tend to reject that through historical religious conditioning. The body you manifest is directly between the Overworld and the Underworld. We are planetary surface beings physically, but there are parts of us that are in the stars, in the planet. A complete being is a fusion of human, Faery and living creature.

R. J. Stewart:  When you go into the Underworld and meet powerful beings, it's not just a one time experience. It's happening to you all of the time, but most of the time you aren't aware of it. The intense traditional techniques are not only to make the contacts and changes, but also to make you aware of it as an ultimately timeless exchange.

R. J. Stewart:  Then when you learn more about it, sex is found to be an interaction of equal giving and taking. When you work with a Faery ally, it's a sexual connection, but it's not one that gives you or them personal selfish gratification. It's an equal exchange of energies.

R. J. Stewart:  There is a visionary working we do where you go down into a passageway, a stairway, into a cave. There is a pool of water in the cave and it's very dark. The Goddess appears. You sense her presence and perhaps you see her. At that moment, you look at your hands and whatever is there, valuable or valueless, meaningful or meaningless, you give to her unconditionally. You don't say I am going to give you this ‘if.’ This unconditional giving which is the original idea of sacrifice, is what enables you to work further. Sometimes the Goddess changes it and gives it back. Sometimes she doesn't.

R. J. Stewart:  Are you relatively someone who is aware of the whole land? Are you relatively a planetary, solar or stellar being? You are all of those at once. They are all there all the time within you. The only thing that shifts is your relative perception.

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INCREDIBLE STUFF u GUYS!  wow lala.  u even know RJ Stewart.  there is just something unreal about those scotts/the scottish.  now thats a tribe.  and here u are.  wonderful.  all is for good reason.  this sharing on here is so conducive to healing and evolving.  so so pleased to be participating in it.  wonderful work and research, all to enlighten and give ourselves, and others, knowledge, confidence, reassurance, re-generation.  many many break-throughs.  just thrilled.

that was fabulous PICTUS! couldnt believe it, capella.  never knew it was right there, in that constellation.  ah-capella!  or aha--capella!  haha.  who said here on NR that theyve seen "the blue ppl/aliens/humanoids' ? was that Lipstick? that was great and i read the whole thing which then made me want to talk about the "STELLAR CULT" that tsarion talks of.  that all was intended to be rightfully "good" in that original sense.  the ankh is in this.  the intentions were good, in the beginning. (those great warrior females, how so easily tricked?  amazing how the female can be tricked so easily, and then wrathful ones become 'trickster' in response/return.  that elemental nature in here, from the deva goddess side?  as in "dont piss off mother nature"--something like that possibly.  the original intent was good though, seeking perfection, as it is RESPONSIBLE for it.  it's ON the mother.  she carries the weight.  cant believe how warrior queen reptilians could be tricked by greys, how they must have convinced them they were working for a common goal, then betrayed them.   the originators were of the stellar cult IMO). it goes back to that.

The original idea of the Stellar Cult, before it went corrupt, was to work people towards a state of union with nature, a state of cosmic harmony.  possible that the stellar cult started with those 7 pleiadean sisters, or those capella females, something had to give birth to it, if even figuratively. the Egyptian hierogram for woman was a serpent.  the 2 intertwined serpents, the sign for DNA.  those capellan females will be re-deemed. CHERUBIM & SERAPHIM - both words mean fiery or blazing serpent. 

Tsarion says the first "Cult",  was the Stellar, the most interesting Cult and it's still the most important area of study for us in Western civilization. Everything that's taught to us is mostly meaningless if the study of the first cult is not brought in.  so we have the first earthers, from all the angles, and they were birthed from the great mothers, and we have the elementals.  the first tribes ended up SOCIETALLY worshipping the elementals. u had to worship/feed elementals in the days of old, or theyd wreck ur land, destroy ur crops, make ur kids leprous, poison ur cats, whatever, as was thot, so they manifested that.  it took over,  their fears took them over.  all that worshipping of the elementals gave them power, undue power.  it all makes sense, then theyre "used' by evil black magicians, and stuff rebels, and gets all crazy when it's 'used'--we bound them to the earth by worshipping them, theyre STUCK too.  we ALL gotta get outta here, all in "it" together.

i think we are calling back in the Stellar Cult, and she will calm down the elementals.  as Tom Paine says--the signs and ways of the Water-Bearer coming back, see her pouring her water(s) over the land.  she will soothe those pesky elementals.  and they can then be bumped up notches too.  theyre unhappy being trapped id guess.

that term i just found yesterday too--AMENESIS = remembering the future fits in here.  if i/we re-member this right, it seems like WE'RE all trapped here, and dying to be re-born and re-generated, and liberated from this nasty concentration/POW camp.  we are in it together, human, elemental, dragon, deva alike.  how angels play in has always baffled me, as theyre a difft species, and are not human, and ppl dont realize that.  separate creation.  this is high tech vs low tech which i said in another thread.  its interelated, and intermingled. and reps arent dragons, what a miasma of creation.  all teeming and swaying to be set free.  it is said that old lucifer boy, son of the morningstar, has been setting his sights on being unchained, and has played out his role too.  even he gets bumped up, and out.

cant help but reflect too, on all those characters, in FAIRY tales, that were sleeping and in various states of slumber--the sleepers.  and all around us.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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SiriArc, because you put together your posts like a poet, it takes me awhile to pick up the implicit drift that you may be pointing to, but I thank you for the quotes by RJ Stewart. I do not think that the Luciferian energies manifest on earth right now, are a "pre-Christian myth" I find that a totally intellectual way of looking at things, which is why I got into problems with dealing with some of these energies in the first place, because I thought that they were ideas, not energetic tangible in 3-D /4-D realities, even though I had many experiences of the spirit dimension being "real" I did not see the influence of dark forces as real, I thought I could control those things with my own mental belief systems. HA! Or, I thought that if someone was an expert on an ancient spiritual tradition and that they were a good and decent person (as many are) that they know what they are dealing with.
Coincidentally today, I got an e-mail from some metaphysical people who live on Kuaii, and were inviting people to do a remote Venus/Lemurian temple node opeing which supposedly the activation for is today. This also shows Quetzacoatl  in a Christos light. I read it over with mild curiosity but... and another coincidence is that when I went to the health food store this a.m., the check out clerk, whom I have seen maybe twice before started telling me about how by 2011 the fourth dimension is going to be merged with 3-d! This was while he was bagging my groceries.

Zenden,
Yes, that makes perfect sense, that we worshipped elementals as ancient beings in order to harness their power and feed on it, and so they end up feeding on our worship and all being trapped in the density of all kinds of energetic wars and feeding. And I felt the same way about the ankh when you first mentioned it as a gateway to Sophia (higher feminine frequencies) - I used to be totally into Egyptian Mysteries, but now I feel like almost all the old priesthoods were corrupted and many of the symbols have been subverted (I need to find another word)


Lipstick and Druid pointed out the Sargel18 4-D dragon pics and I did go to the site and check out Sargel18's whole trip, and what I trip it is, so I am wondering what others take is on his vortex documentation, it seems like he has the same ideas about elementals and ETs and so forth. There are just so many different types of hyperdimensional beings. -love to all, lala

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For those who are interested in the anthroposophic comprehension of Sophia, Anthroposophia and Micha-el as spiritual beings which mankind must join eventually, I suggest this article.

Two lectures Given By ADRIANA KOULIAS at Bowral and Sydney Sept/Nov 06
The Two Sophia Streams - Magi and Shephards - and Their Unification in Anthroposophy (download pdf version)
www.anthroposophy.org.au/files/The%20Two%20Sophia%20Streams%20Magi%20and%20Shepherd%20241106.pdf

It explains many things concerning the duality of the King-Magi and the Priest-Shepherd streams, as images of the duality of Micha-el and AnthropoSophia, sons of Sophia, which is the feminine side of the divine, Christ being its masculine aspect.  Holy Spirit being the mediator between the Son and the Father, but they are both somply different aspects of the activity of the Divine. To put it bluntly, Man is meant to become the 10th hierarchy, of Love and Freedom, right next to Angels (9th hierarchy) and all the other higher hierarchies separating us from the Divine Tri-unity. Cherubim and Seraphim are closest to the Divine, yet they are spiritual (as we are), not Divine.

Also, there are many good articles (which I already suggested long ago) in this page where it comes from:
www.anthroposophy.org.au/articles.htm

This one concerns the Feminine:
EARTHLY EVE , HEAVENLY EVE - THEIR CONNECTION TO THE MYSTERY OF ISIS - MARY - SOPHIA  AND THE BEING OF ANTHROPOSOPHIA  www.anthroposophy.org.au/files/Heavenly%20Eve%20Earthly%20Eve.pdf

Two Lectures given by Adriana Koulias in Sydney 13th and 20th September 2005©
COSMIC SOPHIA, AND HUMAN ANTHROPOSOPHIA:
Their Connection to Humanity and their Tasks in Relation to the Mystery of the Pentecost and the Redemption of Lucifer
Part I www.anthroposophy.org.au/files/The%20Being%20of%20Anthroposophia%20Part%20I.doc
Part II www.anthroposophy.org.au/files/The%20Being%20of%20Anthroposophia%20Part%20II.doc

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As Sargel18 reminds us of an important truth: "there is some truth to be found in all disinfo".
This truth also applies to his own info... or disinfo.

Maybe what he says about his past is not true, maybe his pictures are false, but this can be educational tools also, to explain some things about the opening of vortexes in America, blasting open ancient interdimensional portals using montauk and HAARP as electro-magnetic 'can-opener'.  Like that Philadelphia experiment: Bielek and Cameron are lying about their true identity and role in the experiment, but they conveys some real good info in their bogus story.

I tripped when I first saw Sargel18's pics five years ago, and when I first read him, I felt that what he says is somewhat plausible and possibily true. This whole stuff was new to me five years ago. But now, it's nothing really new, just an alternate montauk story.

I like the dragon pic, though, and also his way of speaking of the different species of elementals.

But he may be fooled or fooling us into becoming cheerleaders of the so-called 'good Aliens' Vs Predators. 

that's what I felt last time I read this.

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SiriArc:
uh... this is a good thing, right? right????

don't judge a book by its name

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I just wanted to chime in about my perceptions surrounding elementals and devas. My perspective might not really fit in with some of the views already expressed here, but I wanted to share them for the record as we continue to put various pieces together.

Years ago when my clairvoyance was starting to open up, I became aware that people who had been smoking for years had a weird "fuzziness" going on in their aura around their throats and throat chakras.  I could see an accumulation of debris that looked almost like tiny "bees" because they were swimming and moving, whatever these things were. And the things I saw looked kind of gray and nasty.  I sort of filed this under, 'Things that make you go "Hmm." 

Then over time I also noticed a similar kind of fuzziness, an accumulation of psychic debris of some kind, in the midsections of alcoholics, around the middle of the body and the back where the kidneys are. 

And over time I noticed a similar texture of some type of low level attachment, kind of like a swarm of gook, around the sex chakra and abdomen of sex addicts and people who were addicted to pornography or going to strip clubs, that sort of voyeuristic sexual expression.

I also noticed a similar phenomenon with depressive and bipoplar types, only with them, the accumulation of debris was in a couple fo different places - largely over the heart, and usually the throat, and sometimes the third eye, too.

Okay. Fast forward many years later, when there was an interesting series of confirmations/explanations for what I'd been seeing. 

Some shamanic healers and I were talking about what I'd seen and they told me that I was seeing negative elementals, elementals of a parasitic kind that had come into those people's auras and invaded the chakras in question (sex chakra, throat, etc.) because of the people being out of balance and in an addictive state.

And I also took some pranic healing classes, and in pranic healing there is a course called pranic psychotherapy which addresses healing negative emotional and psychological states.  And what do they teach?  That negative elementals accumulate over different chakras and organs when a person's aura has become weakened (through lots of negative thoughts and behaviors,) and when the elementals accumulate, they appear as a swarm of muddy-colored "bees" (my word, not my teachers term.)  Clairvoyantly, though, that's a bit what they look like, like grey bugs swarming over that particular area of the body, feeding on it. 

Now, we learned in that class how to use electric violet colored energy to expel the elementals and learned other techniques to heal and repair the damaged chakras. Just beaming it out of the palm to expel the entities in question and then using a simple hand motion called "sweeping" to clear the stuff out and dump it into a bowl of water mixed with salt. (The salt "traps" the critters, and afterwards you just put it all down the toilet. But I like to set as my intention that all the debris I'm dumping into the water be taken off to the Light rather than just dumping it into the sewer system.  Sometimes I will use shamanic drumming, toning, or rattling as a sound vibration to help convey these energies off to a different dimension.)

And this technique or combo of techniques, I discovered, are very powerful. 

When used on  people suffering from various addictions and negative emotional states, expelling the elementals, clearing out the affected chakras and organs, and strengthening the auric shell (the egg surrounding the body that can develop cracks and holes, that's what allows negative entities to enter,) REMOVED the person's negative emotionality, their psychosis, their bipolar problems, their schizophrenia, their addictions - you name it.  Because the elementals were no longer there feeding and exacerbating the need to feed the addcition.

Now, I'm simplifying the treatment a little bit, because what they don't teach in pranic healing (at the basic levels, anyway) is that you also usually have to expel demons from the addicted or depressive person, too.  The elementals are a low level "bottom feeder" type of etheric parasite, but where they are found in large bunches, there is almost always one, if not a bunch, of demons as well that have attached to those affected chakras and organs.  The demons can also be removed using divine electric violet energy.  The deeper the person has sunk into addiction or illness, the more demonic attachments there are.

In private healing work, I've been able to "cure' people's depressions and addictions and mental illness through applying some of what I learned in pranic healing, some of the shamanic extraction and soul retrieval techniques I learned, plus some other stuff that has been revealed to me over time.  The basic thing comes down to expelling the negative parasitic critters, including elementals, discarnates (there can be discarnate humans and animals attached to a damaged chakra as well,) and demons.  And then you clear out and regenerate/purify the affected parts, and then you strengthen and clear out impurities from the auric field.

Now....the person still has to consciously give their permission to receive full healing. You CANNOT do this willy-nilly on someone because your work will be rejected and it will boomerang back on you, sometimes making you really sick.  And also, a person can be completely cured and then welcome their illness back because they still, at a subconscious or conscious level, need their illness for some reason. (There are many complicated spiritual lessons and choices involved with illness.)  A lifelong schizophrenic I knew was completely cured of his illness after I worked on him and remained cured for many months, able to finally go off his  medications and function normally.

But you know what? He had been hearing these voices (of different discarnates and entities who were attached to him) since he was young, and when they were removed, after a while, he told everyone he MISSED the voices!  He felt lonely without them. Sure enough, shortly after he expressed this to people, his schizophrenia came back.

This is why I don't run a healing clinic!  What's the use of curing people when, deep down, there are real spiritual lessons involved with them KEEPING their illness!  smile  Complicated stuff!  And a lot of people will tell you they want to be well, but what they really want is to figure out a path of healing for themselves, so they are not good candidates for  healing.  Every illness is a spiritual crisis of sorts. If people are aware enough to approach it that way, then they can often make it past the experience and welcome in true healing. But if you maintain exactly the same level of consciousness that you had prior to your illness after your illness, you will attract the same or a  similar vibrational illness.

Anyway, I wanted to talk about that type of elemental - the low level, grey or dark, swarming critters that are definite parasites.

Contrast that type of elemental, which is "negative" in the sense that we experience that type as a parasite that is harmful to us - or at the very least, causes low level problems........

With nature devas, who are often called elementals as well.

I'd like to point out that, as I perceive them, these are different types of beings with very different consciousness.

Nature devas function as the "guardian angels" for everything in the natural world, from rocks to trees to bodies of water to the land itself.

Nature devas are not negative in nature.  They are powerful, they are very different from us, and they are not "angels" in the way angels are assigned to help mankind grow spiritually.  But they function as angels or guides for their various "charges" -- rocks, trees, etc.

Nature devas are the ones often called sylphs, ondines, gnomes, or salamanders, corresponding to the elements of air, water, earth, and fire.  But in truth, the deviations and variations within the devic kingdom are much more varied than that.

For instance, there is a hierarchy within the devic kingdom.  A forest at the edge of the property where we live has a forest deva who is a very specific, powerful being who functions as the "manager" of all the other tree devas in that long stretch of woods.  Consider her an overseer who helps to steer the activities of the smaller tree devas.  She possesses an amazing intelligence and is a wonderful ally who has told us much about the history of this area, later confirmed by people from this area.  (Down to specific stuff about history here from the 1700's settlers, which I had no conscious way of knowing, and which people in the area confirmed later. Cool!) There has only ever been a relationship of honor, honesty, and mutual respect with her. 

The nature devas honor anyone who attempts, in their own small way, to be "servants of the land," whether that person is just a gardener happily playing with his plants, a landscape designer creating beautiful spaces, or a psychic healer who works with correcting imbalances with the ley lines.  All such people are considered "friends" to the nature devas.

If you don't seek a connection with the nature devas, they will generally ignore you, but they are NOT negative beings.  They serve a really important function in their roles as guardians for nature, helping steer, correct, and balance the flow of energy for all natural things. Their work has been made incredibly difficult due to man's physical and psychic pollution.  Interestingly enough, if you ask most devas which is worse, humanity's physical pollution through chemicals and the like or humanity's PSYCHIC pollution --- 7 billion people projecting chaos and negativity a lot of the time --- the devas will unanimously say it's the psychic pollution that's worse! They've never had to deal with psychic pollution of that scale before because this planet wasn't intended to accomodate 7 billion humans, especially at our current state of "awareness" (using that term loosely! smile

Now, in some powerful way that I don't entirely understand, the dragons are similar in energies to the nature devas, only they are not guardians of specific trees, rocks, or bodies of water as the nature devas are.  And yet, dragons always proudly tell me of their elemental orientation as if revealing their true, most vital, essence. So, for instance, the primary dragon that likes to work/play with me is a red fire dragon. He tells me that this is because I need to learn to express fire energy more powerfully and appropriately, so his energies are best for me to work with. And if you look in my astrological chart, although I have some planets in fire signs, I also have a TON of stuff going on in air signs ( No wonder, right? I'm always full of hot air! smile.  And air blows out fire. So within me I've always been aware of this struggle to try to assert myself in fiery ways, but then the air often cuts short whatever steam I've been building around a particular project.

When I can access the red fire dragon's contagious passion, laughter, and spiritual warmth, something lights up within me. I'm more focused, more able to communicate, more able to ground myself.

My honey has a green forest dragon as his helper, and since his career is as a landscape architect and land planner, and he grew up climbing trees and loving nature in a rural area, this energy seems entirely right for him.

So there is something very elemental about dragons that is related to nature devas (in that they seem to correspond with fire, air, earth and water energies) yet they are completely different beings.

I was meditating on this issue one night, how dragons and the elementals/nature devas might be related, and I had a gorgeous lucid dream vision.  In it, I was standing up on the hill near our house, a powerful spot where the ley lines pierce through.  It's truly a sacred spot.  And I saw all of these dragons, in the various colors of the rainbow, all gently and silently landing around me.  I saw a purple dragon, a white dragon, all different colors.  And I felt that in this demonstration dragons were trying to show me something important.  Like they corresponded not just with the four elements of nature (fire, air, earth, water) but also all of the colors of the rainbow.  In some mysterious, fascinating way.  Standing among the dragons in that dream was another one of those peak mystical experiences where I just felt awed and boosted in some magical way by the primordial, loving and positive, energies of these dragons.

So -- I have to say that in my experience you can't really lump "elementals" all into a negative category, saying that they have "fallen" or whatever. 

To review, there appear to be negatively oriented, parasitic elementals that can be generated when a person is engaged in stuff that isn't good for him -- I've seen smoking elementals, sex addiction elementals, alcohol elementals, even electricity elementals. That's a big problem for us modern folks. Something about the way we currently generate energy puts out negative electricity elementals, so every time you are sitting by a computer for any length of time, also flourescent lighting is a big culprit because it also generates negative electricity elementals, your auric field is getting blasted with these.  And I have a theory that it's a contributing factor for chronic fatigue in a lot of people. You can clear your aura of electricity elementals by taking a shower or bath or walking outside in nature, or just de-electrify or "power down" your space by unplugging every electrical device in the room and opening a window for about a half hour. It's also helpful to take a spray bottle and spray droplets of water throughout the room.

Anyway, there are also negative elementals that are generated by the lower emotions - places of war, bloodshed, or violence have hatred elementals (along with demons aligned with bloodlust) accumulated - even centuries after the violence occured.  There are other types of negative elementals that seem to spontaneously gather at the sight of other human cruelty - sites where sexual predators have done their thing or acts of betrayal or nastiness have occurred.

But these are a different type of elemental than nature devas, which are creatures of purpose, beauty, and function. 

The energy of a particular area does NOT get corrupted, in my opinion, by the nature devas. If anything, they are always at work trying to correct and to clear the energies that are generated by demonic forces and demonically influenced humans (or ET'.s)  So you have a constant "battle" going on where the GOOD nature devas are trying to clear out negative parastic elemental forms that have overtaken certain spots.  And you can see these entities working at cross purposes to each other if you tune in clairvoyantly or even just meditate on a spot and ask, "What's really going on here?"  You'll be shown these complex, multiple layers of stuff going on.

And then you have dragonic energies, which also are a positive, elemental-related species of being, who somehow are also intimately connected with the four elements of creation, yet they are not negative in my experience. (Although, like I said, I've been warned about black dragon and I think he is aligned with chaos and demonic energies. Of course, chaos serves its own purpose, and in this reality/dimension, chaos serves a function, too.)

Anyway, I just wanted to try to lay out that we should probably be a little careful about lumping elementals into one "bad news" category, because they're not.

Nature devas are wonderful, and they can become great allies to you as you engage in spiritual work and also can help you to ground in a healthy way on the Earth to better fulfill whatever purpose you want to pursue here.

Dragons are somehow related to the four elements and also to the colors of the rainbow, so there is something very interesting going on with them.  They are different from nature devas, and they are not elementals, yet they somehow self-identify with elemental (fire, air, earth, water) energies.

And then there are negative elementals, which seem to arise spontaneously (rather like maggots, I have to say, because that's REALLY what they remind me of when I see them swarming in somebody's energy field or at a physical location that has become distorted and corrupted by evil.)  Negative elementals DO need to be cleared out , and where they accumulate in large numbers you will find negatively oriented human discarnates and also demons.  The whole pack of them need to be sent of to the Light or sent to a higher place, and this can be accomplished through prayer, invocation, and also directing divine electric violet energy at the spot.

Whew!  Thanks for reading to the end of yet another long post.  Thanks for letting me share my views on elementals!

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

Re: Real Dragons vs. Reptilian Humanoids

Hi Lipstick,
thanks for the clarification, I have had people tell me I had dragons with me before and so forth, and I did not consider this a negative thing, I just never sensed them myself, even though I am "sensitive" in many other ways.   I never thought people were saying that elementals were bad, only that they can feed off of human emotions if we worship them or things associated with them as if they are gods, or try to draw power from them,  and also that they do not have "human" emotions as we know them, the lower astral more negative ones reflect back and are attracted to lower vibrational states and emotions. From reading lots of things on this site and on the web I am understanding that all elementals are under the supervision of angelics;  the lower astral negative ones by fallen angels, and the contructive devic energies by the higher beings of light. Thing is there are many "possessed"places now because of all the addictions and negativity and greed, and also one thing that I have noticed is that human beings are many times not making their decisions - their entities are! Also in my work I have been privy to the fact that people cut deals with their entities and know that they do - a woman I know who said that she was a recovering crack addict and alcoholic (found out she just transferred her addiction to money and weed) told me that her entities told her that as long as she kept using they would "protect" her from getting busted or whatever (they forgot to mention that when she became a burnt out hull of a person that they would toss her away and find a new host). I have also known (for some strange reason) many shizophrenic black magicians (one personality is all about green building, family and healing, the others pornography, black magic and drug addiction) who invite entities and other personalities in because it gives them energy and charisma, power, money, etc. It seems like all reincarnated black magicians are shizophrenic now because 1) being a black magician drives you crazy 2)it takes a pretty high level of spiritual development to manifest all these separate beings and once, even though it is not high level spiritual development in the "good" sense, and also the person who has done really bad things with occult stuff in the past is afraid to actually incarnate as a person again, so they look for a person to possess and live through them while cutting these deals, thereby trying to bypass karma. That is why a lot of these people want to reproduce families and start lineages with their DNA and bloodline continuing, so that they can prepare the next body for them to infest. I think schizophrenics have one main puppetmaster and then many entities and mind control from many different entities.

I remember years ago a Cherokee teacher saying that people who are addicted to smoking cigarettes have a worm in their aura, and that is gets in through a rent in their etheric field, which made sense to me. But also natural tobacco is supposed to be soothing to the heart chakra as a medicinal herb I've also heard.

Keep on with the good entity clearing work, I'm thinking of getting into that line of work myself, now that I see what is going on! But I would need to really clear myself often on a regular basis. A lot of people do it by remote now, and that probably works for them a lot better.

-love to all-feeling better and better every day - lala

don't judge a book by its name

Re: Real Dragons vs. Reptilian Humanoids

Steiner spoke of certain beings linked to the planets that behave like parasitical worms in our astral bodies.
Moon beings make people troublesome (Cs would say OPs), and they hang around people in psychiatric asylums, creating and conjuring the hallucinations of the patients. Steioner depicts them like cigarette botches stuck in the holes of a swiss cheese.
Those of Mars, venus, etc., are said to have different influences.

This is described in The Influence of Spiritual Beings Upon Man, Rudolf Steiner.

Re: Real Dragons vs. Reptilian Humanoids

...the 'swiss cheese' being our astral body, eaten up by these creatures.
The way Steiner describes the moon beings is very similar to Grays: as tall as a 6 years old child, white-gray, etc. He says some of them are real buggers and behave like criminals.

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Re: Real Dragons vs. Reptilian Humanoids

Another quick brain dump, as I only have a minute and then I'll be escaping into deadline zone for a few days.....

I have a Celtic shaman friend I haven't seen for a while who is a tenth generation Irish healer/seer.  He is part of an unbroken line of shamans and shamanesses going back ten generations.  In their oral tradition, information about their past is carried down verbatim, unchanged through the centuries, and treated as historical fact.  To put it briefly, don't believe ANYTHING out there written about the Irish people or the Celts. It's all a pack of hooey, apparently.  Especially stuff about the deeper Grail mysteries, the Arthurian stuff, and many of the early beings who once roamed the Earth.

He once shared with me some info about the dragons that I had completely forgotten until just now.  He said that part of the reasons why dragons are willing to help humans in their fight against spiritual darkness and dark beings, especially the grays, is because (he told me) the dragons' home planet was invaded and taken over by the grays, and the dragons were either killed or had to flee.  (!!!)

And I remember after he told me this some years ago how I was having some of my own problems with grays, things just would kick up with them really bothering me from time to time, and at one point I gently invoked the help of the dragons, not really knowing too much about them or their energies at that time. (This was maybe ten years ago.) And in one of my horrible astral abduction experiences, two dragons came in and blew etheric fire at a bunch of grays who were bothering me, and then the grays didn't bother me for a VERY long time after that, and they never came back as strongly or as badly after that point.

Also, a couple of years ago my honey and I stupidly decided to investigate a spot on the Pennsylvania side of the Delaware River north of here - it's called Ringing Rocks and is very remote.  It has extremely strange, unnatural-seeming, configurations of rocks, and if you whack the rocks with a hammer, they ring.  Well, it's a hot spot for UFO seekers because there are a lot of reported sightings there. One day we went up on a weekend afternoon to investigate.

It's a very touristy spot because people are clueless about the darker aspects of the place and just take their kids there to whack the stones with a hammer (whatever gets your jollies!) 

I didn't like the feeling of the place, and I felt very weird when we started walking over the rocks, and my honey wanted to march along ahead playing with the rocks and checking them out.

Well, I was lagging behind, and at one point I felt something etherically snake at my ankles, grabbing me, and I immediately fell down and hit the rocks (they are these weird, displaced, sharp piles of boulders) really hard. I was extremely lucky in the way I fell because I could have been really badly injured. Fortunately, I just had some bangs and bruises on my shins and stuff. Well, I decided to sit there for a while and try to figure out what was going on. At this point I was MAD and determined to figure stuff out.

In the exact spot where I landed, there was a strange configuration where some of the boulders sort of formed an archway or doorway, and inside was a really weird configuration that I swear looked like a door carved into the rock. It looked VERY OLD.  And I felt such a sense of dread and horror about it that I immediately had to summon up lots of spiritual help to shield me and us in that space, and then I told my sweetie "We're getting the hell out of here!"

Later that night I was being brutalized in astral/dreamspace by the greys again -  after years of quiet from them. Apparently, they have claimed that place at Ringing Rocks as THEIRS, and there are probably many nasty things going on there. And they were gleeful about me hurting myself. Meanwhile, my shins were REALLY hurting from where I'd fallen, and I was not feeling well.

I called upon my red fire dragon (I hadn't chatted with him for a long time at this point, either) and he immediately appeared in the dream and blew the greys away with his fiery breath, and then I woke up, and in kind of a half-trance, half-awake state, I felt him gently breathing healing dragon fire all over my legs and shins.  Wonderful healing warmth.

The next morning I woke up, and I had NO bruises. And that is simply not possible. My legs were already darkened from bruises and starting to swell when I came home, and even though I put some ice on them, I don't think they would have suddenly reverted to not having bruises (and not having ANY soreness or pain) without the help of my dear red dragon. Unless I was using some super powerful ice!

Now.....interesting questions are raised here....

Where did the (nice) dragons originally live? 

What happened between them and the grays?

How did the dragons arrive here? Since it seems now, from what I can discern, that there a small number of PHYSICAL dragons still living in remote areas, but there are also powerful "force of nature" dragon energies that can assist us from the etheric and who are connected to many powerful natural spots. So who are these dragons? Are they the deceased remnants of this ancient race, still hanging out and helping those humans and other species who are fighting the infiltration of the greys?

My shaman friend tells me that there is a lot of lore in Irish/Celtic/Welsh history about a complex intergalactic battle going on with the greys and other negative ET species across many different homeworlds, some of which have been destroyed. Seems that one of the grey's major techniques is to infiltrate through brainwashing, mind control, and holographic illusion so that the native people living on the planet welcome them in as friends, and THEN the greys are allowed to take over under universal law and actually have the planet in question "deeded" to them, like a deed of ownership.  And other negative ET races partner with them in this process for various selfish reasons of their own.

If these nasty beings think they have ownership of this planet and us, and they have a "deed" over this planet until we find a way to revoke the deed by regaining our spiritual sovereignty......

Then that also brings up an interesting idea about the need for a "redeemer."

Do we flee the redeemer, if one comes?  Personally, I think we're supposed to redeem ourselves. Although bound up in the Jesus/Christ mystery is the truth about that being's impeccably loving, STO energy, which still seems a powerful beacon to help bring all STO seekers "home."

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer