Chemtrails and Christ (Page 1 of 2)

Well, everybody is free to believe what they'd like to believe, and religion is always one of those no-no areas that you don't debate with people about because how can one person tell another person "how it is" spiritually.  So I'm not even going to touch the second coming of Jesus issue.    However, when tackling the chemtrail issue, good ol' logic and analysis comes in handy.   In trying to decipher what's going on, just tackle it in a logical, methodical way.  Itemize out everything you know about the nature of chemtrails, then sit back and look at what the data is showing you.  Off the top of my head, here are some things I can think of:

- They're sprayed both day and night; 
- They're sprayed intermittently in most areas, not every single day, possibly corresponding to weather patterns;
- They're sprayed in multiple countries...........but not all countries, from what I understand;
- They spread out and create this oily looking cloud cover across the sky, marring the atmosphere;
- They're often linked with changes in the weather, rain and so on;
- They contain chemicals and particles that are detrimental to human health and which get lodged into our respiratory systems;  time and again I've watched as the people around me at work and in the areas where I'm living develop sinus/respiratory illness immediately following another round of chem spraying overhead; I myself have developed stuffy nose symptoms, and one time came down with a nasty three week "flu" in early 2002 within two days of photographing chemtrails in Portland, Oregon;
- The chemicals in chemtrails are said to work as reflectors of sunlight;
- Also supposed to act as good transmitters of microwave signals, a good way to bounce beams around, (possibly to send mind suppressor signals, or track those with implants);

And those are just a few factoids off the top of my head.

Now, in looking at the first three items we see that chemtrails are not a worldwide phenomenon.  Again, from what I understand, not every nation in this world is experiencing them.  And, they're not sprayed every day, nor are they always sprayed just during the day. This seems to negate the idea of trying to cover up the presense of "Jesus" in the etheric/sky, because if you're trying to cover something up that would be appearing worldwide, then why only target select countries?  And why only cover up sporatically, here and there, and why cover up something that people can only see during the day anyway by laying fresh trails at 8, 9, and 10 at night?  (nighttime chem spraying is something I've witnessed myself.)

However some theories that do seem to fit based on the above factoids would be - reflecting sunlight, weather alteration, creating health ailments in the population, (and the more extreme theory....actual DNA/genetic alteration, and not in a positive new-age way) and mind control signals/mind suppressors, and/or implant tracking.

Contrary to what many out there may believe, logic, analysis and good old fashioned thinking is a good thing.   A lot of things can be dissected that way.  Not everything, but a lot.  There are more items that can be added to the list, so don't just stop with the few factoids I thought of.  List out everything you know that you've learned in your five years of research, and see what items fit........or contradict.......your theory.  For the theory to be accurate, there can't be multiple facts that contradict it or don't fit with it.

1.  I'm not making assumptions about anybody or anything here.  However, *you've* certainly assumed some things about *me* in your post. 

2.  This isn't about whether Steiner and his belief in the etheric appearance of Christ is valid, it's about, "Are chemtrails covering up the etheric appearance of Christ in the skies."  And I'm looking at the straight up facts about chemtrails, some of which I itemized out in my post, and I see that the first three items on that list alone show that this probably isn't the case.  The fact that chemtrails aren't happening in every country around the world, the fact they're not happening every day, and the fact that they are sprayed at night....when you can't see anything and everybody is mostly inside for the evening anyway. 

If these trails had something to do with covering up the etheric appearance of Christ, then I'm thinking these three facts wouldn't be the case with trails....and yet they are.  So, that leads me to conclude that chemtrails serve a very different purpose from what you're proposing.  But that's just me.  And as far as whether Christ is appearing in the etheric, that certainly could be the case - I haven't once smacked down anything that Steiner has said, although you're sort of hinting that I have, (misunderstanding on your part, missing the point, take your pick) but I don't see how chemtrails can be linked to that when the facts surrounding trails don't add up or match to that.  Also, I would think that something as important as Christ appearing in the etheric would need something more powerful than intermittent and sporatic chemtrail spraying to keep it hidden from the world's population.  BUT, you're free to believe what you want to believe.  I'm just here stating my point of view.  (Also, just as an aside, I hate when people preface stuff with "with respect" or "with all due respect."  Just say what you have to say.  You don't have to mask any potential annoyance or soften disagreement with a cushiony statement of respect.  I like when people can just state their case in a straight forward manner and not hide behind that.)

I actually don't believe that's what's going on, although it certainly is one of the theories floating around out there. To me, it sounds like disinformation designed to get people to believe there's a sympathetic reason for these trails, that they have a helpful and noble cause, trying to save us and the earth, etc. etc. blah blah blah in order to get people to relax about them, and even encourage them.  I can totally see how it could potentially play out too - "they" (the powers that be) are "forced" through planned arm twisting to come clean about the nature of chem trails, and "confess" that it's to save the earth from global warming.    When in fact it's for neferious purposes of control, monitoring and sickness.  Again...just my view though!

Interesting possibility... Since chemtrails cover different sections of the country at different times, some sections are not covered even when the sun is high and bright. So if this interpretation of "Christ in the etheric" affects such things as sunlight, it would have to be a local/regional effect instead of the sun itself being visibly brighter. And like Lyra said they also spray during the night, so if something is being covered up it would have to be a non-solar phenomenon during the nights. Regions of the globe like China do not get chemtrails, but then they're not exactly into the whole "Christ" thing (joke). The chemical and biological components would not relate in this case, except maybe to interfere with our own supersensible perception abilities.

The ether is all around and beneath us too. Etheric perception is just seeing what has always been around and within us. So the reappearance of Christ in the etheric would not necessarily be a skyward phenomenon. I'm leaning more towards a general "second comming" phenomenon with the blossoming of Christ consciousness in spiritualized sectors of the population, that the idea of Christ appearing in the etheric was to contrast the real thing from the false expectation that it would be a physical return in the form of another male world-teacher. The chemtrail program could be an attempt to prevent this broad awakening. That's been my theory since 2001, that chemtrails are aimed at suppressing a burgeoning human evolution toward superhuman states. They wouldn't have to do this with visible blocking so much as targeting the activation of our higher perceptions and awareness.

I only now saw this on India Daily:

Notice no mention of chemtrails. But that is what the picture shows. India Daily, amidst all the Pravda style entertainment, drops in some important clues here and there. I think whoever wrote this is on target. This is scalar physics stuff. Chemtrails allow for electronic modulation of ionized atmospheric layers; ties into HAARP.

What the article didn't mention is that these are longitudinal waves that can have intentionally detrimental effects on mental, emotional, and etheric equilibrium. I agree that chemtrails are fighting off the reappearance of Christ, but maybe through more exotic methods than initial appearances.

As for the black beam in front of planes, I've seen those a few times and noticed that the position of the sun indicates these are shadows of the trail being laid down being projected upon the lower broader chemtrail layer from an earlier spraying. Sometimes the black beam is not in front of the plane but skewed, because the sun is not exactly aligned over and behind the plane. So the ones I have seen are physical/optical effects. The lower chemtrail layer is just a thin haze, but any shadows on it would stand out.

Ah, and lastly... some theories say chemtrails provide a screen upon which to project holographic images of deities "when the time comes." So, ironically chemtrails might actually put Jesus in the sky. Could that be the antichrist, or the image of the beast made to speak? Well I don't think so, but it sounds like a theory you'd hear on the Jack van Impe Show.

I recall seeing an unfiltered satellite photo of chemtrails, I believe it was over a patch of the Pacific near the North West States, and asking myself, "Now what is the purpose of spraying a patch of the Pacific." Likewise when I was travelling across Canada a few years ago: Lake Superior appeared to be the primary target in that instance, at least the activity was focused over the Lake itself, at least from the vantage from which I was viewing things, limited as it was (agreed).

From observation over time, there appears to be tendency for increased activity aroung the New and Full Moons.

What is your source for there being no chemtrail activity in China. When I was there three years ago, there was so much atmospheric pollution, at least in the six separate flights I took throughout the country, that it would be difficult to tell one way or the other if chemtrails were being laid down. Indeed I would be surprised if China would be the one lone region on the planet exempt from chemtrail activity, as there are reports of chemtrails from every other region of the globe.

Lyra, perhaps thinking along the lines of a magickal/alchemical operation on the Earth viewed as a living being will get you closer to what I am trying to get at.

Hey Tom,

I don't see how those few citations you quoted indicate anything one way or another.

Much as ZSL has apparent insight into a number of matters esoteric and arcane, I long ago learnt to take whatever he writes  with shakers of salt.

My speculation that this is a worldwide phenomenon is based on reading reams of reports from many  fora for over four years. Probably the best person to contact to get this kind of information would be Don Croft, as he has on the groud contacts throughout the globe who are chemtrail aware. Or perhaps Laozu, or Sensei would have something to say on this score, as they both have been very involved in observing chemtrail activity over a long period of time in many places.

Then there should be photos or observer reports of chemtrails in China (or even India). If you can find any, let me know. There are reports and photos from every other country that has them.

Looks like you did take a picture of the sun, because only something as bright as the sun in the blue sky will fry out your camera's CCD like that to the point of turning the central spot black. There's also quite a bit of lens flare in this photo, and what looks like a reflection of sunlight on the diagonal surface on the left.