Topic: Real Dragons vs. Reptilian Humanoids
Okay, I decided to share a bit more of my experiences with dragons. People have been making some great comments about dragons and reptilians and our complex, interwoven histories. (Yes, Zenden, this means you especially! 
And there are so many great points being made that I can barely begin to offer my two cents about them. It will take some time and I will have to do it in bits and pieces between other projects, but I figured it might be fun to get started. And I encourage others to chime in here, too.
For reference, there was some initial discussion about dragons here:
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4072
In that thread is a post I made giving a brief overview of my dragon experiences, which I'll repost here:
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I'm still inching my way up to talking more about the dragons. They're real, and they're not the same as the negative reptilian bipedal ET's we so famously chat about here.
And there is power in dragon fire. Healing power. Passion power. Love power.
There are also real physical dragons still here on this planet - and the others are in the etheric operating like elemental beings, helpful for aiding you with manifestation, communication, healing, and more.
My dragon is a red dragon. He's breathed healing fire into me many times and helped me out. He also loves jazz music, and he has a very playful and joyful energy. I tune into him from time to time as one of my spiritual helpers.
He has told me a lot about the dragon realms. Wild stuff. Their culture honors a female mother dragon as "goddess," so they honor female energy very powerfully.
This is different from the humanoid or shapeshifting lizard crowd, who are also extremely diverse and run the gamut from scientific/kind and good lizzies who look more like amphibians to extremely Luciferian and warlike races who conspire with demons to enslave humanity to species in between.
Complex stuff. But very fascinating.
There are negative dragonic energies which can be wrapped around the spine in a partial possession - I've worked on pulling those out of myself and others.
And then there are positive dragon energies who are more like creative guides or healing helpers who LOVE to teach humanity about "magic", power prayer, mind over matter, and the use of the mind/emotions to build positive new realities on this planet.
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Okay. One thing I want to do is reiterate a piece of info that is very important in distinguishing between reptilian species.
In my experience with different kinds of reptilians, there are bipedal, almost humanoid reptilians and there are dragons. And they are different species. They might be cousins, but they are different beings. I think this is where a lot of confusion comes in. Even amongst the groups of bipedal reptilians there are many subgroups. But dragons are a separate and distinct group that does not intermingle, interbreed, etc. with the bipedal reptilians.
Sometimes when people are trying to identify ET's groups, they lump together a bunch of beings like elves, devas, demons, and others into the same category as ET's. These are actually different beings with completely different types of intelligence, species history, and levels of consciousness.
So the two-legged reptilians are very different from dragons.
And then you have angels and human spiritual guides (discarnate humans) and many other types of beings. Each of them is distinct and separate from each other, each with different energy.
How do I know this?
*Sigh, continuing to go out on a limb as the weird psychic chick*
Because of a lot of direct contact and ongoing communication for over twenty years that I've had with ALL of the different groups listed above. Some of this has happened while I was awake and chatting with them via telepathy/shared mind. (And they will be almost 100% materialized in this physical realm while this is happening; they hover slightly outside 3-D so as not to frighten me.)
Other experiences were in lucid dreamtime encounters or on shamanic journeys to various etheric realms.
So, for purposes of this discussion, I'd like to focus just on dragons. The bipedal humanoid reptilians are covered more in this other thread:
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3733
I actually keep a dragon diary that I stared a few years ago, and I'm trying to find something simple to share here.
Okay, in 2004 my honey and I had recently been talking about dragons with a shaman friend of ours who has a healing practice. He's plugged into the Native American communities and swaps news with his friends many times a year. We hadn't been communicating with the dragons for a while in our own meditations, but we talked with our shaman friend about them one day for some reason.
He told us that he was hearing through the grapevine (of indigenous people and shamans and medicine men) that the remaining physical dragons who still live in North America have over recent decades migrated north, specifically to Canada. Even more specifically, there have been a lot of sightings of them in Banff from various indigenous types who are "tuned in." The people seeing them have been out in nature performing healing ceremonies on the land or going on a spiritual walk (power walk, I guess they call them? Where you walk a long time while you're meditating on something.) There aren't many dragons left throughout the world now, but there are some.
Here I'm talking about PHYSICAL DRAGONS that look exactly like the most beautiful paintings from Arthurian legend.
Synchronistically around that time, I spoke with a woman who happened to mention (I don't know why she would come out and tell me this, because I hardly knew her, and she didn't know I was attuned to mystical stuff!) ...that she had seen a gorgeous green dragon in the forest while hiking....in Banff. This was around 2003/2004 when she saw it. She happened to look up at the side of an embankment as she was hiking along, and she saw this amazing green forest dragon who was standing so still that it was blending into the background. If she hadn't looked up and happened to look in the right spot at that exact moment, she would have never seen it. She was breathless when she saw it because it was so completely unexpected. She remembered fixating on the eye. The eyes were on the sides of the head like a bird, so she just saw this one huge eye that seemed to convey an immense intelligence, and a bit of wariness! But she never felt in danger.
The eye BLINKED so she knew it was a live being. The woman stood still, not wanting to breathe or to move. After a few moments of the two of them staring at each other, the dragon turned its head and walked away and very quickly after that (too quickly, she said,) it disappeared. So it might have moved into a different dimensional reality because it wasn't like she saw it walk for several minutes off into the distance. Instead, it walked up the hill a little ways and then suddenly she couldn't see it anymore. It's also possible that the dragon had some chameleon-like qualities, an ability to blend into the background. She didn't go chasing after it!
She was still in awe about the experience and had told about two people in her whole circle before she told me. I love it how people open up to me about the weird stuff! Sometimes this happens, I think, so I can confirm for them that they are not alone in their experiences. That others have encountered physical dragons, too.
The Native tribes have learned to be very quiet over the years about certain things, largely because of the unfortunate white man trend of killing and conquering and desecrating things that the indigenous people believe to be sacred and important. So if you just went up to a medicine man and asked him about dragons, he would never tell you.
Another synchronicity....also around this time another woman I knew (a white woman) was living for a little while with Indian friends on a reservation in the mid-West. As she befriended them, they began to tell her about interesting things. Including the fact that the indigenous peoples are still having many encounters with a wide range of (physical) beings, some nice, some not-so-nice. Native American children seem to have a disproportionately high amount of abduction experiences, largely with negative ET types. But these amazing people, who seem to carry something really special within their genes, are also more frequently having encounters with beings like Bigfoot, dragons, and others who are somehow still a part of this physical realm. And my friend heard many stories about the tribe she was staying with and various beings that they had seen on their reservation over the years. Again, these encounters were rarely shared with the white men.
Okay, bringing this up to an entry I made in my dragon diary in 2004....After we had heard our shaman friend talk about dragons in physical form still living in rural areas, we were fascinated. My honey and I talked about this a bit but also sort of put it out of our minds. I had had a history of being able to communicate with dragons but in a more psychic/multi-dimensional way, with them appearing to me in etheric form as guides teaching me various things or doing healings on me. I had never really thought that there could be physical ones still living here.
We went out to one of our favorite sacred spots in the woods and were making an offering to a wonderful forest deva who is guardian over this particular section of woods. We left tobacco and healing herbs and we also left corn meal. (If you want to become friendly with the nature devas, I recommend doing this!) We felt a nice buzz of energy from the nature devas sending us loving vibes. And then we saw an interesting thing.
Suddenly across the stream we saw the small trees and weeds BENDING as if someone or something was jogging along towards us. You could see this very real physical manifestation like a creature was running along. There were indentations on the taller, thicker weeds from something running along. And we felt a rush of air as this being crossed the stream, headed towards us, and seemed to stop right in front of the stone where we had laid out the cornmeal and the tobacco.
And I was very aware of something taking a deep inhalation, as if smelling the fragrant tobacco and herbs and the cornmeal.
None of this was frightening - there was a feeling of friendly, warm energy in the air. I was able to tune in clairvoyantly (with my inner eye, not my physical eye,) and I saw a relatively small, squat-looking four-legged dragon! He identified himself as a rock dragon who lived way up the hill near the rock quarry that sits on the outer edge of the property. And he thanked us (telepathically I picked this up) for making an offering to nature and to the "old ones" and for honoring "the old ways."
...Which is interesting, because one theme that comes up over and over again amongst my shamanic friends and indigenous peoples is that it's important to "honor the old ways." Which is the process of establishing a sacred, mutually respectful relationship with all of creation, including nature and natural forces.
I tried to learn more about the rock dragon. It seemed that this particular dragon (and maybe many of them, for all I know) is a bit more like a 3.5 dimensional creature vs. us being 3.0 dimensions. So he can to some extent manifest in physical form, that's why we could see him travelling through the weeds and grasses, but he is more comfortable maintaining a less dense form. And he said that he doesn't eat. So while he wouldn't be eating the cornmeal we left, he still possessed sense memory of times when dragons DID eat. But he had now evolved into a slightly less dense body.
The rock dragon's skin was craggy, kind of reddish brown and gray, not really scaly like a traditional reptile, more like a thick, multi-colored hide. And he projected an air of geniality and great friendship and a kind of sweet innocence, too. There was something very "puppy-like" about how excited he seemed to be about our tobacco and cornmeal offering. Like he was eager to make a friend.
Over time we found this particular rock dragon to be somewhat shy and reclusive, as many dragons appear to be, yet I do feel his energies sometimes when we're up in that part of the woods and I always try to send out loving intentions. But we never had such a strong physical manifestation of his presence again. I think that was part of him introducing himself.
I seem to be better able to communicate with dragons in a shamanic way, from time to time working with them in prayers and meditations or shamanic journeys. But I thought it was awfully cool to "meet" one in this way! Made me wish that could happen every day
In my shamanic dialogues with dragons over the years, they have told me that they honor a female "Goddess" or creator dragon. This is not a physical being. So this is different from any reptilian queen that is mentioned sometimes when talking about the bipedal reptilian ET's.
The dragons honor this female dragon as the Mother Dragon, and her name is Filgramathea (phonetic spelling.) And she is seen as an Alpha/Omega figure, blowing life into all of matter through her fiery dragon breath. But dragons honor her as a principle, not as a physical being living on a ship somewhere. The idea of a reptilian hive queen might be a different reptilian female that is more a part of the bipedeal reptilian society.
The dragons are very "elemental" in that they seem deeply linked to nature. They always identify themselves to me through natural elements. This one in the woods that we talked to was clear that he was a "rock dragon." The one that that woman saw in Banff gave her a clear impression that it was associated with the forest as a forest dragon.
Since then I've also communicated with wyverns, which are a type of dragon without wings, and the wyverns I've communicated with in meditation have always been associated with water. I've found them watching over waterfalls and sacred streams and lakes. Again, they seem to not be in 3D exactly, yet they aren't entirely nonphysical, either. Somehow, they operate much like the elementals talked about in the magical traditions - like the sylphs, ondines, gnomes and salamanders, only they are NOT the same creatures. When you put an ondine next to a wyvern (water dragon,) they are distinctly different beings. They have a friendly inter-relationship, but they are not the same beings.
This ties into feng shui, "dragon lines" or ley lines of the ancient Chinese traditions, and the Chinese approach to dragons. I believe that Chinese seers or mystics must have been able to "see" the dragonic energies linked to various sacred nature spots and that the entire system of "dragon lines" or ley line understanding must come from things the dragons taught them.
The dragons I've communicated with have almost all been loving, kind, and powerful. But interestingly enough, many of them have warned me about black dragons - these dragons are apparently associated with death and chaos and are not good to associate with. MANY different dragons have independently warned me about them.
Interesting how the martial arts traditions are often bound into using the symbolism of the black dragon - master of death, inciter of chaos as an agent for change.
There was one REAL black dragon associated with a holistic health teacher I studied with. It was part of this man's "spiritual posse," an attached entity. Others could see this in his aura, not just me. It was independently confirmed. And this dragon energy was dark, evil, and very much read like a "killer."
So....we quickly learned to claim the workshop space we were using "for God" (for peaceful, loving energy) and set up a barrier so that the teacher could enter the space, but his black dragon guide couldn't! And after that the students weren't getting attacked by this thing anymore. I'd had some bad psychic attack from that being before I got smart about setting up a shield against it.
So....I'm not sure if black dragons manifest the way my rock dragon pal did, in a 3.5 dimensional form, but I can say that there are a certain amount of metaphysical teachers out there (especially Asian ones, I've found) who for some reason have this black dragon energy in their field, and it's very ancient and ties back to some old Asian warrior cults who pledged spiritual service to the black dragon energies in exchange for protection.
Okay, I've really done a brain dump here about a lot of things. Pardon any rambling, misspelling, or incoherence! I just felt inspired to share a bunch of stuff today while I had a few minutes to do so.
More to come! Feel free to fire questions, and bear with me as I try to free up time to continue this thread.
LipstickMystic aka Jennifer
