Topic: Mayan ET group and Pleiadian Agenda

I did do a search, and it does not look like this particular facet has been discussed before, if not, please correct me-lala

People in this group seem to know a lot about aliens and ET groups and characteristics and so forth, I am just learning. So I am wondering if anyone knows anything about the Mayans, who are supposedly a group of hyperdimensional beings and sceintists, who communicate through the Mayan glyphs, especailly those developed by Arguelles; also Bear & CO. book publishing company has a lot of literature that puts them in a postive light and offers meditations on them and so forth. About ten years ago, after meditating on the Mayan glyphs off of a website, I had a strange hyperdimensional experience in 3-D, where I saw myself being looked at as an aggregate of energy formations, and then a portal opened up and was about to suck me energetically through it. I said "STOP, I'm afraid and don't want to go" and it immediately ceased. I asked a psychic about this experience and she told me that off-planet Mayan sceintists were running energy experiements on me, but that they respected my free will because they'd stopped when I told them to. She said I could choose to go, but I should make sure they didn't use me and gave me back something in exchange. I never had another experience like this again, but I now see this in retrospect, and having the new information that I do, as an attempted abduction experience. Do any others have experience with this group? What is the deal with the Mayans? Quetzalcoatal is regarded by some as a Christos figure, and by others as a Lizard lord. And what do people know about Barbara Hand Clow (owner of Bear and Co, book publishing company) She is a great advocate of the Mayan system and calendar and also of the Pleiadian Agenda (name of her book). She evidently channels a Pleiadian "goddess" named Satya. In one of her more recent books:Alchemy of the Nine Dimensions she says, more or less, that we are going to go back to the Paleolithic mind, because we were able to think in a more sacred dimensional way then. I have read in other ET conspiracy stuff that Paleolithic era was when we were mutated by ET genetic experiments in order to become Cro-Magnin, which was easier to control and automate. Why would we want to go back to Paleolithic brain? Isn't this a form of de-evolution both physically and spritually? I am seeking answers, people! Much appreciation for any input.-lala

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Read Robert Monroe's Far Journeys if you want more of what is really going on in this system.

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On Quetzalcoatl being a Tall White god.
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:SON … k&cd=3

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Well, I have gone to this site, and it is a huge philosophical and historical treatise, but because it is philosophical it posits both sides of the isse, i. e. Quetzalcoatal could be a seed of the Christos energy that was subverted into a myth, or Quetzalcoatal could be a false construction of theology used to fascinate "the masses." Either way, it seems like the myth has been twisted. I guess I will have to read a million books to try and decide, -thanks to both of you, though, lala

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Hi Lala,

While I don't know for certain what the deal is with the ancient Mayans, I do know that there are some refugees from ancient Atlantis who slipped into another timestream and dimension and occasionally still connect with people here.  Could it be that the Mayans who left possessed a similar "know-how" and were able to duplicate what the Atlanteans did? Maybe. Or maybe there were some  Mayans who left never LOST this know-how and at some point when the white man invaders were starting to come over, that group said, "We're out of here!" and decided to make an exit.

I don't know!

It does sound like looking at the Mayan glyphs and imagery might create a connection where those beings might take an "interest" in you, and I think it's good that you resisted travelling there.  Sometimes there can be great, mysterious power in occult symbols, hieroglyphics, and so forth that "conjures" up critters from many dimensions and realities......and just because somebody shows UP doesn't mean you will want to hang out with them! smile

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

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And I agree with you that there is confusion about Quetzalcoatl.....he could be a figure from the Annunaki/ancient ET races that were here thousands of years ago....or he could be a Christos figure/spiritual teacher.  The Iroquois have a similar great mystic who appears in their legends....and the qualities ascribed to that teacher are similar to those ascribed to Quetzalcoatl.  Many layers of possibility there.

LM

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Steiner talked about sun beings who were retarded angels, retarded since before the creation of earth as we know it. Because they were retarded, they fell upon earth, but their original nature is being a sun-god. So, in the past, mankind had superhuman teachers, sun gods, who cohabited with mankind (we were physically/spiritually different from today). They are originators of civilisation, often linked to Venus. They fell on a level lower than angels, but much higher than kindergarten humanity at the time. They excelled in all that was humanely possible: civilisation, knowledge, wisdom, etc. Light-bringers they were called. Theyhave been great benefactors of mankind and elevated him in order to become an independent man.

This ancient tradition given by semi-angelic superadvanced godmen was perverted in Atlantis and the rise of Giants, Nephilim, is the result of this perversion of this ancient Tradition (Tradition that was given by 'sons of the fire mists' ; in Atlantis, man was more materialised so the ancient superhuman gods could only be experienced and encountered in revelation in a fire mist at the culmination of Initiatic Mysteries). 

After Atlantis, man developped by himself and Man roots of many names comes forward: Manu, Mana, Mani, (Narmer)Menes, Manes, Minos, the labyrinth (of Minos) is the brain in which man's spirit can get lost and thus make mistake. Evil and mistake result of that lost connexion with the divine that came about with man's autonomy.

The 5th root-race (post-atlantean: now!) is of 'aryan' (white) root. man becomes more autonomous, but his thinking is open to mistakes and the possibility of evil.

Great civilisatord come from this 'heroic white' root. (I'm no supremacist, don't mistake me for one of these perverts)

Quetzalcoatl was one of the Tall white sun-gods of human appearance.

Planetary gods incarnated among human benigs in the past.

But the events attributed to 'quetzalcoatl' could pertain not to ancient atlantis and ancient civilisation gods but to events closer to our times.             

According to anthroposophists, Quetzalcoatl could be the same as Vitziputzli, the one solar-venusian hero who destroyed the offshoots of the perveretd atlantean mysteries called Taotl: a great school of black magick in America (Nova Atlantis). Quetzalcoatl is supposed to have crucified the greatest black magician of the Taotl cult (Mayan-Aztec degenarated mexican cult of ancient Tao of Atlantis; this corruption and culmination of black magick in Atlantis is called by anthroposophist TAOTL). This crucifixion of the worst blac magician criminal by Vitziputzli/Quetzalcoatl mirrors the crucifixion of the innocent Lamb Christ in Palestine at exactly the same time (33 AD).
This annihilation of Taotl would be the same event as depicted in Siegfried killing the Dragon and gaining the Gold of the Rhine. This Gold was known by Temlpars to be in America. Templars came and go to America frequently in those tmies, they knew about its treasures and atlantean relics and residual powers.

This opposition is recognizable also in the opposition of Gawain vanquishing Klingsor. This karmic relationship was reveretd and repeated  when Hugo the Pagan (chief of Templars) confronted Philippe The Fair (LeBel, a great black magician gold lover) who ordered the destruction of the Templar Order. the Fair thus avenged himself in crushing Hugo and the Templar Order.

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You are all amazing and thank you. I used to believe that people who were into "Reptilians" and "Lizzies" and all of that were nuts, up until a few weeks ago. I think that I have been influenced by this group a lot and not realized it. Several years ago, I worked at a Feng Shui Store and everything is dragons, I really got into dragons and dragon lore and Merlin and all of that. I created a website with creative writing and all this other stuff about the pendragon mystery and so forth, also in Feng Shui the dragon is the most potent symbol and also in Chinese astrology - everyone wants to be a dragon. I have since changed my views on this stuff and all the dragon stuff seems yiiicccckkk to me right now.

I don't want to attract reptile energy but it seems as if I have been, I have a certain amount of shame about this for some reason, I've had a professional dowse it out of my field and I am working to change the frequency and bring light into my life. I have had to change everything.

I studied Anthroposophy many years ago and Steiner had some great stuff on what was going on in the invisible worlds. The perverted Atlantean mysteries still seem to be with us, this is the problem in my view. I want to keep that stuff out of my energy field, forever and all time. -lala

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Dragons (???)

Is That ZenDen Calling Out To LipstickMystic Again ???????

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4072

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It Isn't The Form

It's The Intent

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No, I am not zenden, this is the second time that I have been mistaken for zenden since joining. Other time was in Khyla the Grays dialogue by Lipstick. I am lala, my posts are signed lala, and the name lala appears beside by posts. thanks anyway, though-lala

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ok--im biting.  there has got to be SOMETHING in this.  a planet with giant reptiles running around.  its GOT to mean something.  they (the reps) must have dropped off eggs on this one way back and allowed them to grow.  into visiciousness? then carnage ran the planet.  in swamps.  giant 20 ton+ meat-eating (and some plant-eating) creatures, who later evolutionarily turn into BIRDS!!!! thru the movie end with spielberg.  and they made 3 of those.  so now the birds r dying off and correlation with the reps?  beats me. experiment?  and then we see discovery of 'softer' dinosaur females supposedly caring for their young and nurturing them.  egg-layers still and with little brains, but a softer side emerged.  the female end vs the T-REX male dominant.   what the hell was that?  and we do know, the young reps, pop right out of their shells, and get right on it.  are MATURE when born, way more than any other creatures.  they are born 'ready to go' and are not necessarily nurtured by their mothers.  get the teeth snapping STAT upon exit from shell, but the shell is birthed.  out a birth canal.  vs mamallian births.  but u do have some they say, that did birth outright, from a vaginal womb.  and nurtured their young.  amazing.  a planeyt with giant dinosaur reps and a guy hanging bloody on a cross.  what in THEEEE hell is that?  im stumped and in awe simultaneously.  really.  what must other beings think of that?  this is one hilarious yet sad yet wondrous set of plasnetary history.  not only symbolically, historically.

we have never heard of dinosaurs or seen remnants of their bones and such on or from other planets.  but we havent explored really, that much on other ones.  but so dominant on this one?  always struck me as totally bizarre as a kid.  giant reptiles.  now, really, what IS THAT?  lala is even wondering, and spoke of the big "Q" deal and the mayans==feathered serpents?  unreal.  and druid and others answered back with some thoughts, and it always goes back to negative influences, yet switches around.  comes to no solid conclusions.   then we have the anton parks materials of the reptilian females being rebellious and disgusted with being forced to breed and were used.  and werent happy about it.  always rebellious.  wanting to plot against the great anu masters.  the kings.  how did that happen?  seems even rep females are dominated.  is that the goddess problem?  relates back to sacred whores, and all that sex stuff.  and relgion warped in with kundalini stuff aagin.  big reptile influences there.  supposedly the serpent coil.   not even gonna get into dan winter here, but it goes there too.

then one could dig up LILITH.  ive been wanting to bring "her" up.  shes somehow in this too.  researchers who r into her say she has been wronged historically and her rep is inaccurate.  her reputation.  REP-U-Tation.  odd.  is she symbolic of so much, mainly the female influence on adam, and the 'first' born.  there's alot of info on her, and i have researched her a bit.  she has a rep for refusing to "submit"--insisted on being "on-top" of adam.  wasnt gonna do it missionary style.  it always goes back to sex.  the mating of the giants and the nephilim with the women of men.  and i read long ago, somewhere, that there is a giant reptilian QUEEN force out there that is really running the universe.  who?  where did that come from? and just recently, couldnt find the post on rumormillnews.com, that the reps were here as a planetary experiment, to inject darkness and conflict, and that its 'cleared' now and the experiment is over, and that it was all done to make us ADVANCE spiritually faster than ever and get us up to par.  we supposedly, humans, did it fast.  (doesnt look like it was fast) but it was some kind of agreement.   we have read 'the reps left'...we have a thread on it.  they may have, but the remnants of the conflict are everywhere, particularly with religion.  and we supposedly can thank the anu for that injection/insert.  this leads us to the concept of adamic man and pre-adamic man, somehow.  is this there meaning behind the meek shall inherit the earth or???  i read recently all that means is that the ones who choose not to dominate clear up the planet and that whole gig finally gets dropped, as we move on evolutionarily.  its so confusing, so tantalizing.

so if we blend the reptoid influence in with fragments of them, being in our DNA, (limbic system, reptile brain, and u know that it correlates with primary base automatic/atonomic bodily functions) then it weaves possibly, into us clearing that up, and is that the battle from within?  we always talk on here, of the reptoid influences, with all their teeth, and shape-shifting, easily being seen in royalty supposedly, and in the corporate world--rep-eat rep style, even have the term "shark" ?? marine reptile?  coined as a term for lawyers, and big CEO types.  and dominant behaviors of the 'evil' kind.  all is domination when talking of reps.  anton parks and zeitlin were sort of, the first writers that actually published stuff on the female rep side of things it seems.  prob more out there, but that comes to mind the fastest.  i have read, and we have mentioned it on NR, that there "must" be some rep factions that are trying to improve themselves, and that the rep kingdom is very big, ancient, and has a stunning caste system.  that i do believe.  and one weaves in arcturus in here, with draco, and orion.  this just gets into so much.  egyptian lore in here, the kings, the whole idea of kingship supposedly comes from them and their caste system.  we keep reading their main problem is the lack of "feeling and heart."  theyre supposed to be tremendous warriors too.  of an unbelieveable kind, which sounds admireable, to a point.  but, apparently, thats all they do.  war--take over worlds, and they think they own this one.  theyre big on their caste system.  the oldest supposedly live for thousands of years, and are white and winged.  and those rule from behind the scenes.  they send others to do 'the dabbling' as they dont stoop to it.  always on recon too, from weve heard. and read.

the only thing i can think of then, is that we are the outcome of it, and we are changing the intent and so therefore, we carry them/it thru.  i hate to sound repetitive, but thats in there.  i keep thinking that is the biggie--some of us are pre-adamic possibly, some are not.  the souled vs the un-ensouled?  that BEHAVES a certain way.  must be in the kind of thinking then, and the reflection of that seen in behavior.   indicative of heart vs mind?  good vs evil?  the shedding of the predator mind thru evolution, and we get the final big injection against the virus of evil, by being more heart-inclined, which leads us on ever so more spiritually for further advancement.  it lifts, transmutes the goings on in dimensions.  if were going into higher vibratory harmonic levels, then that is so necessary.  so one side of self? STS is reptilian influenced, and the other is STO--for more advancement.  is that behind self-work?  to greater understand?  and then to advance?  we advance out of the form?  and on to a non-reptilian influenced one.  so confusing.  yet so fascinating.

so are dragons a non-mythological form that are from the deepest recesses of the human mind?  why so ingrained in the medieval writings, and stories, and pictures?  always in battle with men, yet some are depicted as helpful.  the knights fighting dragons.  fighting rome and the monarchies prob more like it.  fighting dominance.  all symbolic.  but? and they are supposedly subterranean.  the 'demons' from below?  or from within?  and how does that dragon vs reptile queen behind everything then fit in?  who first gave birth or created that hierarchy?  and why?   now, where is that origin from? we see this must be very very VERY ancient. if ur gonna look it at that way.  it keeps going back to the progenitors.  and the orion wars?  i have that written down to research next.  snippets of that are all over the place.  the lyrans, vs the orions, vs the sirians.  said to be the biggest galactic event involving 'beings.  and were still 'fighting'  each other, ourselves, the dominant reigning conglomerate corporations, and the monarchies of crappy rule.  this is behind lemuria vs atlantis too.  there was a big difference in that.  in those 2 civilizations.  really big.

this is such an OLD game.  thats why the 2012 scenario.  seems to be bred in, or mayan induced, or?????  the only thing i have to say on that, is this---ok, im tired of playing it, seeing it, ok, then, lets change the game, and move on to another one.  this one is soooooo playyyyeeeeddddd ooooouuuuuttt.   god--give us a break with this would ya?  change form change location, change whatever the hell, and get on to a NEW game.  we can all see it, and were chomping at the bit.  the work on self, and recapitulation and balancing 'the checkbook' (whats that word for balancing the spreadsheets and the cash register?--damn cant think of it) but that seems like what were doing.  fianlly--LIPSTICK who are the dragons?  one more time.....

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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I am going to start a new thread about dragons - I think it may be time since people keep asking me about them! 

But before I do I want to jump on the Lilith thing that Zenden just brought up.  Many mysteries around that ancient being, too.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND a kickbutt book by UK healer Alex Gordon called The Nine Deadly Venoms, if you haven't read it yet.  And his website is http://www.ninedeadlyvenoms.com, where he has many articles posted.

Many years ago a woman appeared in his house -- he had no idea how she got in there.  She was beautiful, aloof, and a fiercely warrior-like woman.  She never gave him her name but said that she had made a promise to him many centuries ago that one day she would come back and teach him some things.  Over months and years she taught him many amazing things about the "nine deadly venoms" (societal poisons and societal structures that we become hypnotized by that move us away from maintaining our status as powerful, spiritually sovereign beings.)  And her teaching helped him deprogram from a lot of that stuff.

He wrote The Nine Deadly Venoms about some of his interactions with her and the lessons she taught him.  You can view excerpts from this great book at his site. I highly recommend it for all Noble Realms readers.  If you're on the path of trying to unplug from the Matrix to regain spiritual wisdom, I think you'll really resonate with what this woman taught him.

Now, in the book he calls this woman Lilith, although she never gave him her name.  As he began to think about her using this name, he went into exploring many of the layers of mystery surrounding this ancient first wife of Adam in a historic/Biblical way and in a mystical way. 

And the more he probed, the more he realized that this actual woman he'd spoken to, who claimed to have had her last physical incarnation on Earth  many thousands of years ago (and who lives in a different, probably ET, body now as a long-lived humanoid) ....she really seems to embody the fiercely protective, independent, energies that have come to be associated with Lilith. In fact, it's possible she IS Lilith...the reincarnated form of her, anyway.

So I wanted to mention that in regards to Lilith because Alex and his book are very cool. If you live in the UK, he does healings there in full-time private practice, and he is a really powerful and gifted being.  He might be a little tough with you because he has learned that people have to really make the decision to face their stuff if they are going to heal, and most people do not step up to the plate!  But he's also very compassionate and kind.  So I just wanted to mention him! Read more about him at his website.

Meanwhile, Lala --

Um, lala, I believe what Siriarc was talking about was the prior thread that had been going some months back in which talk of dragons came up, I posted some things about my own experiences with them also, and Zenden made some posts at the end of the thread which I never had a chance to respond to about dragons and reptiles. 

Since you -- lala---mentioned dragons in your post in this current thread right before Siriarc's, Siriarc wanted to remind us of some of the unanswered points that I had left dangling in that other thread when I never had a chance to carry through about discussing dragons after Zenden made some great comments about them. 

And in the other thread about the Nordics where I mentioned Zenden mentioning the importance of being an INDIVIDUAL in two prior posts, I was referring to Zenden's posts about that, nothing that you posted, lala. Apologies for any confusion, but nobody is mistaking you for Zenden, the way I see it. Sometimes the layers of threads and how they weave together can be really confusing for somebody new to the forum - don't worry!  We're not mistaking you for anybody else and we appreciate your jumping in on various discussions.

Now, I think it's time for dragons.

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

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That is OK, misunderstood,
One thing about lillith though is that she is also associated with primordial pit goddesses like Tiamat, and we know that that Babylonian energy, along with Marduk is considered part of the proliferation of deep earth demons like from the Necronomicon. Lillith supposedly spawned a race of thousands of demons, which are still supposed to be the same hyperdimensional demons we sometimes experience now. When I went to college, Lillith was sacrosanct to feminist scholars and to some degrees still is. I saw her as a symbol of sacred, independent femaleness; but the thing is, that now I don't see a lot of things as symbols anymore, I've experienced them as real energies that can affect phenomena, and that is when stuff like auto-erotic demonesses and cold-blooded reptilian energies get scary! I feel that I have had reptilians invade my dream space and try to draw off erotic energy from me. Not good. Not fun. I have gone through periods when I have raised enourmous amounts of kundalini in myself, and guess what, it attracts reptilian-types and portal humans with reptilian entities all over 'em. Would I have believed I could have a dialogue like this a month ago? Nah-lala

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Yep, there are lot of different associations surrounding Lilith, and many of the darkest manifestations of "goddess" energies can be very nasty-seeming.  And you're right, Lilith has been embraced by feminist scholars (many of whom also practice Wicca and various forms of magic, to positive, neutral, or evil effect depending on the person.) 

So in all things, it pays to be extremely cautious.  People can just be reading up on a particular "mythological" entity like Lilith but then find that this opens them up to auric penetration by something nasty, which may or may not be related to this Lilith energy.  So if you're going through a self-cleansing process, you're right to be very careful not to introduce new stuff into the equation. Just keep working on your self-cleansing and getting back to the ESSENTIAL YOU.  Strip away layers of stuff and find out who you are, without programs, attachments, or entities glomming onto you.  And the negative reps are very bad, so keep putting up shields against them.  And you should probably steer clear of investigating the dragons that I talk about in the other thread, too, since sometimes wires can get crossed and you don't want to be sending out invitations to the negative reps by accident.

I think there are times for "magical" work (seeing, tuning in, and communicating with various entities) and times for rest.  Keep the portals closed if you are going through an intense clearing and healing process.  Do "normal" stuff.  Try not to get too invested in trying to figure out the ultimate map of the cosmos, since it's hard work and not easily accomplished!

And when you do raise kundalini through prayer, meditation, or even sex, it's incredibly important to put up psychic shielding so that parasitic entities can't come in and harvest the extra energies. You can do this through setting clear intentions in your own personal, unique way.  That way you're setting up a unique "combination lock" that can't be penetrated.

If you've ever gone to a church, synagogue, or spiritual workshop, you might notice that there are tons of parastic entities hanging out in the etheric, waiting to feast on the energy that people will be raising in their prayers or meditation that day.  You can set up a shield around that physical space, an energy barrier that prevents this parasitic "feeding."  Many people go to church or a spiritual workshop and momentary feel uplifted, then after the event they go home and they are just EXHAUSTED for no reason. That's a sign that parasitic energies have been munching on them after the energy was raised during the event.

Just thought I'd share that!

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

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Yes, thank you for the info and perspective, I am in reconnasaince mode and only praying to specified higher forces only and battening down the hatches. What you said about stuff feeding off prayers - yes I think now I know why I don't like, especially, new age churches like Unity or Spritual Science - they sound good, but there is a lot of stuff feeding at that trough. I just remembered a Halloween event that I went to last October in a pretty well-known conference place, they had us basically call up a dead ancestor and then physically step into that person's body and then at the end step out, this was stupid for me to do I now realize, and I felt great the next morning, but then my obsessive thinking got worse quickly after. Also, I went to a new age channel of what was supposed to be an angelic being, and that being said that dark forces come to feed at the channels, attracted by the energy, but that they had just as much right to as anyone else. I now see that this is bullshit and that I was being fed on. I'm stayin' away from new age rituals and channels for sure. It's all out there now. A good thing for your manual that you might release, might be to have guidelines for people to check inwardly before participating in something to see if it feels right for them. You'd think that people (like me) would know to do that anyway, but not so, part of it is that it all seems so normal now, all this metaphysical and "spiritual" stuff interfacing with our world.-lala

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