1 (edited by lyra 2007-01-29 10:32:29)

Topic: DNA heritage genetic testing

For awhile now I've been curious to have my DNA tested to find out for certain what my genetics are.  Just seems like it could be kind of cool, especially considering that my heritages have the potential to link up to other heritages.  It's not simply a case of being "English/Irish/Scottish"....when Ireland, England and Scotland seems to have been influenced by the Phoenicians and Egyptian trade routes.  Or "Hungarian"....when Hungary was invaded by the Mongolians.  Or "Italian" when Italy has other influences as well, and so on.   So yeah, it's been a major curiosity of mine, and nowadays we live in a world that has the technology for the average person to have their biological orgins traced through DNA service labs.  !   So I was wondering if anybody here has actually done this, or just what people's thoughts might be on it all in general. 

Here's a link I've had saved in one of my old email addresses for like, four years now, which I found is still a good link that's been recently updated this month:

http://www.duerinck.com/dnalabs.html

Has a list of different labs that perform different types of DNA testing, from paternity testing to mitochondrial DNA testing, to African ancestry, so you can figure out what specific tribe you may have decended from in Africa, to Native American testing, and so on.  All sorts.  What interests me is the general all around DNA testing that doesn't just focus on the mitochondrial (maternal) line or Y chromosome (for dudes only, tracing their paternal line) but rather, the whole shebang.   The Trace Genetics lab has a "genome-wide" test that I'm considering:   http://www.tracegenetics.com/services_gene.html 

It's $240, which is pricey, but on the other hand......part of me is like, hell yeah, take advantage of this modern technology that we have before it's lost again!  big_smile  I mean, think about it.....we've supposedly had to wait HOW long before getting back up to this point again, technology-wise, since the last fall of civilization???   (providiing we're not really living in some experiment, ala "Dark City" and that there really IS history on this planet.....)   So now we have access to stuff again.  Better take advantage of it.   (I know, I have a weird way of looking at things.) 

On the other hand, I don't trust anything fully, so I'm wondering how much distortion, if any, may be in this testing. So much stuff is withheld from us, so much information suppressed.  So how accurate will it really be, you know? 

Anyway, any thoughts on anything relating to genetics, testing, the origins of man, whatever anybody feels like discussing?

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Re: DNA heritage genetic testing

Wow, I didn't even know that existed for people!  I know my vet has offered to test my  mutt's genetics to find out what breeds he's composed of, so I guess I should have figured it.

I'll save that link myself.  I'd be very interested to see what my genetics turn up.  I know I have a good portion of Cherokee and Irish, but I have no idea how much.

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Lono sounds like you and I have similar backgrounds. Native American and European. My family is interesting looking it's real mix of light and dark coloring.

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Same here, Belljar.  At my Mom's family gatherings, you see a lot of high-cheekboned, dark-skinned folks with red hair and freckles, or pale skin and dark hair (like me).

5 (edited by zenden 2007-01-29 15:29:39)

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great thread lyra.  i cant wait to see what turns up here.  im a cheapskate so i did it the hard way, starting with the last name, the family surname, and found the genetics, but not real DNA studies. i traced all the way back to ppl living in the marshlands of upper eastern europe.  but, that was only the father's line.  i had to really get into searching with the mother's, and since adopted, had a helluva time, but knew the info, but still hard to get since immigrants (her real parents) straight from italy.  probs with the record-keeping on ships.  it all sorta stalls in the very early 1900's due to those records at ports and from ships.  goes weird in the 1800's, and then it picked up in the 1700's.  im still working on her.  it seems for some reason, better records were kept in the 1600's and before.  thats weird.  but then again, lots of bloodline theories were batted around then.

the coolest part was the father's lineage which established itself, from other lines in 900AD.  now there i found some fantastic stuff, and even pictures of the progenitor of "the" vs "a" family line, with the meanings of the last names being totally defined even further (lots of last names spelled differently for whatever reasons, one big one they say is illiteracy, and the lack of how to read and write customarily) that was the spitting image of the real grandfather.  same hair, facial construct, look on the face, it was uncanny.  then i found members of the line in scotland and one guy looked exactly like my brother.  freaked me.  then i knew, this is it.  then i found the coolest stuff in the 1200-1500's.  and one family member--get this--was born same day as me, same month, same all of it, and exactly 500 years apart. exactamundo.

i even found the coat of arms, their war cry, their motto, and weaving that in with past lives, i found the maps that corresponded, and then about croaked.  it went to scotland, france, from pre-germany.  gaul.  and my mother's the 'pure' italian, but theres a some kind of deal with my grandmother being of mestizo blood.  theres some kind of black or spaniard or indian injection in there, on the grandmother's side.  and u must know that the man who adopted my mother's last name signifies the bloodline.  is the same word.  WTF?! and i traced him a little, and he's related too, by pastlives, and history.  the real grandmother is the even more spitting image of my sister.  all is unreal.  traced to basque also.  (and i am Rh negative (-).   the lines crossed, and at one time i even began to believe the mother and the father lines were in such close proximity in europe, i wondered if those 2 had lived pastlives together then, from historical movements, tracings, etc., and had come back again and married each other in this life. 

when i found all this and remembered stuff, and found there was a battle cry of the tribe, i just got so much clearer.  i found that my father's sisters had married men--get this--from the same genetic bloodline. and their (oh hell) last names sprung from the SAME genetic line, and its meanings.  same tribe, going way way back.  DRAWN together?  traits recognized in each other and karmically or cosmically bonded?  seeking each other out by chance or by?  and mating?  same soul group?  always seeking out the members.  kurt vonnegut calls the soul group a "karass"...  karass=A group of people who, unbeknownst to them, are collectively doing God's will in carrying out a specific, common, task. A karass is driven forward in time and space by tension within the karass.

he made that up but !!!  it is the definition of soul group from http://www.innerself.com/Relationships/soul.htm

"It is important to understand how souls are organized. Your journeys here into the physical world are deliberate journeys. Before such journeys are undertaken, souls organize themselves into groups. You could see these as support groups. Souls organize themselves into Families, Groups, Clans, Nations, and Grand Nations. There are seven souls in a Soul Family and seven families in a Soul Group, and seven groups in a Soul Clan, and so on. Eventually, you will work with most members of your Soul Clan, that is 343 individual souls. However, for those of you who are teachers, you will more than likely reach your Soul Nation or Grand Nation, which totals almost 17,000 souls. The majority of your relationships, close friendships, and associations will be with souls who are from your Group of 49 souls."    !  i just found this and it is by complete accident 49, 49 vibratory levels. and that was in another thread.  the 49 vibratory levels i was gonna look up and talk about SYNCHS.  holy schmoly all over again, here.  and look at this...it goes on to say..."However, this is not always the case. The more you advance in terms of acceptance (love), the more skilled you will become at working with individuals who have a different energy signature than yourselves. What we mean by energy signature is the following: each Soul Group will be working towards a particular goal. "  ENERGY SIGNATURES!  just posted on that this morning.  oh man.  this is BE-ZARRE.  that may be IT for me today.  if i could italicize on here, id be doin it.  too much....

i forgot to mention, the best genealogical, believe it or not, WAS use of the mormon church's archives.  theyre totally into it, and their stuff is free, or was.  they have records dating so far back, its incredible.  now, why would THAT be?  trippy all the way.  remember those white salamanders, and angel moroni? and all that?  why would a church have that kind of stuff, and its meticulous compared to other sites i looked at in the 90's.  one could try     www.familysearch.org/   www.familysearch.org/   www.kindredkonnections.com/   www.genealogicaljourneys.com/kindredk.htm

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

Re: DNA heritage genetic testing

From:

DNA MONTHLY

February 2007 (Vol. 3, No. 2)

http://www.phoenixregenetics.org/


1. DNA Variability, Holographic Blueprints & Life's Symphony

Mike Adams
Announced with great fanfare in late November of last year, scientists have discovered that human DNA is far more variable than previously thought. Contrary to previous beliefs, as much as ten percent of human genes vary wildly from one person to the next. The mainstream press is hailing the discovery as some sort of breakthrough that will shed light on so-called "incurable" diseases and give researchers the ability to create more targeted medicines. In reality, this new DNA discovery explains why most pharmaceuticals fail to work for most people.

More importantly, this discovery humbles us, showing us that even our top scientists know less about human DNA than they once thought. Researching DNA is a lot like researching astronomy: the more we learn, the less we realize we know. It's as if every newly discovered fact unveils the existence of ten new questions we never even knew existed.

The mainstream media, in its usual limited view, is reporting this discovery as a breakthrough that will help scientists develop new drugs to treat disease. Every ‘Eureka!’ moment having anything to do with the genetic code seems to lead the media to the same advertiser-pleasing conclusion, but they haven't even begun to realize the big story here. The real news in this discovery, which has nothing to do with pharmaceuticals or even medical science, is larger and more profound than any of us could have possibly imagined.

Where Are the Missing Blueprints?
Until today, it was widely believed that individual genes directly controlled physical traits in the human body (and even mental and behavioral traits, according to some). But now it turns out that a surprisingly large number of individuals have wild variations in their genetic code, such as multiple copies of the same gene or even entire genes that are missing from their DNA. And yet they're not walking around without a kidney, for example, or missing their left eyeball!

It's all quite shocking and rather difficult to explain from a Western point of view in which scientists believe that DNA is like a computer program containing sequential instructions for building a physical organism. The truth is, there aren't enough genes in the human genome to even build a human being in the first place. A human has about 30,000 genes, yet an adult human has trillions of specialized cells governed by millions of different chemical reactions. How do 30,000 genes control all this?

Only a few years ago (2001), humans were believed to have 100,000 genes while all simple life forms contained far fewer. But this assumption of humans being some "advanced" life form proved utterly false. It turns out that the mustard weed contains the same number of genes as humans, and even the common mouse has nearly as many. From certain types of worms to common trees, there are many organisms on the planet that have very nearly the same number of genes as human beings--and some have more!

Even more surprising to most is the fact that human beings appear to actually be human-bacteria hybrids. We are not all human, in other words. At least 200 genes in our genetic code were mysteriously borrowed from bacteria, we now know. Nobody is sure how they got there, but we are sure they exist.

Furthermore, if we look at the composition of cells in the typical human body, and start counting them, we realize that most of these cells are not human. It's a shocking statement, but entirely true. The vast majority of cells contained in the human body are bacteria cells--about 100 trillion of them for a typical human organism.

In other words, most of the cells you walk around with you are not even you. The importance of this is in understanding that the human organism does not exist in isolation from the world around it. Regardless of what we believe, we are all closer to nature than we think. In fact, we literally live with nature inside us, permeating our cells.

Epigenetic Factors
There is no mention of epigenetics in all this news about the human genome. Although little understood by mainstream science, epigenetic factors control the expression of genes, activating or deactivating them based on environmental factors such as nutrition or exposure to synthetic chemicals.

Epigenetic factors are also inherited, passed from one generation to the next, meaning that if one woman suffers from chronic nutritional deficiencies when she conceives a child, the detrimental side effects of that nutritional deficiency will be passed down through multiple generations (at least four generations, according to Pottenger, but perhaps as many as seven according to others).

So DNA is not the only archive of information passed from mother to child. Even if we understood everything about DNA, we would still miss the big picture unless we also understood epigenetic factors--yet most old-school researchers and Western scientists don't even believe in epigenetic factors, adhering to the outdated point of view that genes alone control everything, and that all disease is predetermined, with environmental factors having little or no effect.

The Human Genome Reflects the Patterns of Nature
Most Western scientists currently believe the human genome is effectively like a biological computer program--a series of instructions that tells the cells how to construct a complete organism containing trillions of new cells. Of course, there's no real explanation as to how a mere 30,000 genes could oversee the construction, maintenance and operation of such a highly complex organism. As Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Research Institute, said, ‘It's astounding that we get by with so few protein-coding genes, but that seems to be sufficient because here we all are.’ It's hard to argue with logic like that.

Indeed, it does work. But not in the way Western scientists believe. My personal theory of the human genome takes special note of the multiple copies of many genes that have now been observed across a wide spectrum of the human population. Some people carry one, two, three or even four copies of the same gene.

If you look at nature, where else do you notice copies of the same information? In harmonics, of course. A complex sound such as a single note on a violin is not made up of a simple square wave tone, but a highly complex harmonics which gives the violin its special tone and timbre--a sort of auditory personality. On an oscilloscope, these harmonic levels often appear as copies of the same underlying waveforms.

Such ‘overtones’ are present throughout the human experience. Simple saying the word ‘we,’ for example, involves shaping the mouth and tongue into an arrangement that creates complex, high-frequency overtones. The ‘ee’ sound is the highest multi-frequency overtone sound created in human speech, but every vowel sound has its own unique pattern of repeating information. From low to high, the progression is ‘uuu,’ ‘ooo,’ ‘aaah,’ ‘eh,’ ‘eee.’

Physically, a human being is more like musical expression than a set of construction blueprints. The human body has near-perfect symmetry and economies of expression through fractal geometry that are quite evident in the structure of the circulatory system, for instance, or the nervous system. Just look at a drawing of veins and arteries and you'll notice the fractal patterns of geometry--the same patterns drawn in the underside of a leaf.

The same is also true of human hair and skin cells. Every police detective knows that the human fingerprint is made up of readily identifiable patterns that are connected through a sort of biological artistry. In any human fingerprint, notice the loops, swishes and curves that give strong clues to the underlying fractal geometry. Fingerprints aren't built with cellular bricks, they're built with repeating patterns that give us strong clues about the true structure of our DNA. (Fractal geometry is also the dominant form of physical structure in nature, by the way. In fact, it was the study of plant leaves and mollusk shells that led to the discovery of fractal geometry.)

Throughout the human body, from the lining of the cells of the stomach to the structure of the eye, we find patterns that go way beyond mere construction blueprints. The human body is a symphony, a grand musical masterpiece played out in billions of variations across the planet.

And DNA, in my view, is a holographic reflection of the whole being. The repeating patterns of genes and the symmetry of the double helix are all expressions of music. The human genome is a symphony, and it is through this symphony that we play the music of life. Combined with environmental and energetic factors (such as parental love), the symphony of human DNA creates a physical being. But it doesn't stop there. DNA also helps create the framework for an emotional being, an energetic being, and a spiritual being.

Some scientists see nothing but cold, hard construction blueprints in DNA. Others see God in the symphony, or Mother Nature directing the orchestra. I see a miracle of life, created with such masterful poetry and music that it is something to behold, to honor, and to be humbled by. It is the ultimate statement of our connection to nature, for everywhere you look, you see the same patterns we express, carried out in a range of melodies through the plants, the animals, and even the waters and skies. Closely examining ourselves, we cannot help but observe nature.

Western Scientists Refuse to Hear the Music
For Western scientists to think they have figured out the Human Genome, and that they can now use it to design new synthetic drugs that hijack the biochemical orchestra of the human body, is the epitome of medical arrogance. Most of these scientists refuse to recognize the miracle of human life, believing instead in the superiority of Man over nature. They would destroy a thousand symphonies to sell another million dollars' worth of pharmaceuticals.

They are the music stoppers, the nature deniers ... the rationalists. They believe all things are compartmentalized and separated. There is no connection between living things, according to the rationalists, and living creatures are nothing more than players in some cruel game called Survival of the Fittest.

Yet we are all unique, creative expressions of the same universal tune. Our very blueprint--our DNA--is a symphony of expression that will never be understood until researchers start to think holographically rather than sequentially. DNA is a wonderful mystery, as is any good symphony, or novel, or collection of poetry. And just as a novel is more than the sum of its words, a human being is more than the accounting of his or her DNA. Let me give you a simple example to make this all more apparent.

In the paragraph below, each word represents a gene. What is this paragraph trying to say?

a, a, a, above, air, all, almost, alone, and, and, and, anywhere, as, breadth, brought, by, cluster, color, combining, crate, crooked, dropped, evening, fine, first-water, follow, freedom, from, glossy, greater, hair, hazy, i, i, image, in, in, in, in, it, it, it, it, it, i've, i've, i've, jewel, later, little, luster, might, moon, moon, new, of, of, of, of, on, one, one, or, ornament, over, please, pulled, put, run, seen, shining, shining, slowly, some, sorts, start, the, the, the, the, the, the, tilted, tree-and-farmhouse, trees, tried, tried, try, walking, wallow, water, with, with, wonder, you, your.

Presented as such, it seems to be nonsense. This is the Western view of the human genome, where each ‘word’ (or gene) stands on its own, existing in some isolated way for the purpose of governing the construction of some correlated physical structure. Western scientists even use the term ‘words’ to describe genes, and they describe the variation in the protein sequences as different ‘spellings’ of those words. Yet they completely miss the grammar of those words: the linguistics, the music, the poetry.

Now let's take those same words (genes) and rearrange them to create music. Or poetry, in this case, courtesy of Robert Frost:

The Freedom of the Moon

I've tried the new moon tilted in the air
Above a hazy tree-and-farmhouse cluster
As you might try a jewel in your hair.
I've tried it fine with little breadth of luster,
Alone, or in one ornament combining
With one first-water start almost shining.

I put it shining anywhere I please.
By walking slowly on some evening later,
I've pulled it from a crate of crooked trees,
And brought it over glossy water, greater,
And dropped it in, and seen the image wallow,
The color run, all sorts of wonder follow.

Do you see the difference? These are the same words as the nonsense paragraph shown earlier, but now suddenly they create something far more complex and intelligent than the sum of their parts! Through the arrangement of words, or the symphony of words, Robert Frost takes us on a journey that touches on the human experience, our relationship with nature, and the meaning of life itself. All this has been brought forth by a set of words that seemed meaningless when read in isolation, absent their (holographic) interrelationships.

DNA is poetry. As long as Western scientists continue to look at genes in isolation, they will only see a scramble of isolated words whose meaning remains elusive. But genuine, curious scientists who are true enough to their own hearts to take a leap of faith at believing in the symphony of nature will find something far different in human DNA. They will find poetry, symmetry, harmonics--a song of life that, if truly understood, would humble even the most brilliant among us.

Last year's discovery of widespread variability in the genetic code (and gene copies, and missing genes) is not something to be viewed as a way to sell more drugs. That view insults nature herself. This discovery is far more profound. It gives us an important clue that can help humankind remember where we came from. It reminds us that we are part of nature, not its conquerors or masters. We are, in fact, an expression of the very phenomena we are attempting to understand. If we read the poetry of DNA correctly, we will realize that life itself is not about the accumulation of wealth, or stuff, or power over others, but rather the discovery of self.

And ‘self’ does not exist in isolation. We are, in every way imaginable, intertwined. We are all made of the same stuff, wrought from the same patterns of nature, and in fact, formulated from the same musical notes played out in five billion unique but compatible tunes. With this discovery, Western science has concluded we are all more different from each other than previously thought. Yet it is more plausible that this discovery provides evidence that we are all unique verses of the same universal poem.

Copyright (c) 2007 by Mike Adams. All Rights Reserved.

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7 (edited by zenden 2007-01-31 12:38:55)

Re: DNA heritage genetic testing

that IS EXACTLY what my research a cpl a days ago showed in the thread about blood and the last post with it correlating with cymatics.  i didnt say include much if any on the MUSIC angle, but it was a conclusion drawn at the end of the original article i was quoting from, as was of a direct correlation with FRACTALS.  unbelieveable, but right there.  FANTASTIC.  each individual is poetry in motion.  the expression of self, from millions of components.  all to make that one beautiful self.  believe in the self.  the gorgeous YOU.  the TOTAL NOVELTY as our dear friend SiriArc pointed out that concept days ago.  the creation of each is NOVELTY in action, poetry in motion. it sings, vibrates, resonates, all is harmony, harmonics.  order in the universe of all.  wonderful SiriArc.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

8 (edited by Iriana 2007-03-01 19:42:15)

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There was a great NY Times Magazine article out about this last year (or maybe the year or two before?). Really interesting. Some of the people interviewed who had testing done had to reorder their beliefs about themselves, their identity. And also their concepts about other cultures. Which they found out were a part of their own heritage!

I was thrilled when I first learned this testing was available. How fun! My mother had gone to the Mormon archives some years back to trace our family line. As far as we knew our family tree was made up of members of African descent and some Native American descent (all on both sides). Then my paternal aunts (about 10 years ago at my Dad's funeral) said they had  found mystery photos that turned out to be of family members from some generations back who were Irish. Which is totally interesting because I'd always felt a kinship with the people and music of Ireland. To the point of being moved to (happy/heart opening) tears often - when I listened to Irish ballads. Loved much of the music overall. Movies, too.

My intention is to get more info from my relatives about this and copies of the photos. Perhaps I can verify this further. They are out of state so I'm going to have to send for all of this. Or take a trip to where they live.

Needless to say, I want this testing done. It would be awesome to learn of where my (on planet, lol!) ancestors came from exactly. And maybe these are places I'd actually feel inspired to visit. If Ireland, I've always wanted to go there anyway. Certain countries in Africa, too. And I just met an Indian woman who is giving me help with where to get  connected with info on the Native American branches (hopefully). Blackfoot and Cherokee. This should all be very interesting in the end.

Someone else mentioned the Mormon Archives Centers. Yes, they are still free to use last time I was there -  in my town and the next largest town. One center did charge for computer time ($1 an hour only, I think). But really it's still a great deal. They own Ancestry.com and all the data bases they have access to and share with all of us for free would cost us each a lot of money if we were to subscribe to them on our own. The Mormons are excellent record keepers and are providing an invaluable service to society. And whatever work we do today will be saved in the records for anyone who comes after us to pick up where we left off. smile

9 (edited by zenden 2007-03-02 13:48:18)

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i wanted to say--and here we go again... NOTE: .... and are connections real clues? to ? hidden or unknown "secrets"  both of self, and of the planetary history, searched for in tandem, truly correlated with RACE/ANCESTRY?  it seems when one looks for one, the other merges with it, and the search is ON.  they go together, are synonymous.  is galactic history the biggest meme set ever injected into the works of mankind?  why all the cross-referencing?  of names, characters, places, from source to source.

the mormons call their big archangel MORONI.  the urantia book calls earth MORONTIA.  MORONTIA is mentioned in difft channelings.  a new one that mentions it is in one of the latest channelings by a group of ppl (prob connected with the urantia ppl as there are alot of off-shoots from that group/belief system), from a specific group that calls themselves "servicesector 7" from the snoedel.nl.punt website i posted about the other day.  look at  http://snoedel.punt.nl/index.php?r=1&id=336027.  the "servicesector7" group beings mention  morontia.  so--morontia, moroni, service sector 7, mormons.  angels, the fallen, adamic man vs pre-adamic man, BLOODLINES, DNA.  harmonics.  this stuff is either put "there/here" by beings that want us to see their origins, and connect us to them, all 'sides' to the 'story.'  to the history of it.  are these purposeful clues?  why clues all the time?  why not come out and say whats up?  nobody ever does that on this planet.  there is clue number ONE, and there is our first problem right there.  why so much hidden?  so many stories?  the most "occult" planet in this sector most likely.  all has been hidden.  why?  all the sources have their alignments and their stories.  sometimes its cross-referenced.  cant be by chance.  unless it is injected in, for again, but for what reasons? thats the big mystery.  each source has its own theme, its own background, as we all do from own source DNA.  it goes micro-macro-micro-macro-micro over and over again.  such a pattern.  we are sprung from that somehow.  funny how we are always searching for those "sources"  trying to investigate our own stories/history. 

and the word MORON.  now, where did that originate from?  check this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron.  there is actually a character named Moron in the book of mormon. 

Moron (Ether 11:14-18) was a later Jaredite king who reigned during a time of great wickedness and turmoil, and was himself wicked. He lost half his kingdom for many years in a rebellion and, after regaining his kingdom, was completely overthrown and lived out his life in captivity. He was the grandfather of the prophet Ether.

and as said, the mormons r obsessed with bloodlines.  why is that?  u'd have to ask over and over.  why are bloodlines so important?  or r they?  and now we have all the jesus tomb stuff.  so what is going on?  plenty.  read moron also means  child or fool.  between the ages of 8-12.  children.  Moron was originally a scientific term, coined by psychologist Henry H. Goddard from a Greek word meaning "foolish" and used to describe a person with a genetically determined mental age between 8 and 12 on the Binet scale. It was also once applied to people with an IQ of 51-70 and was a step up from "imbecile" (IQ of 26-50) and two steps up from "idiot" (IQ of 0-25). The word moron, along with "retarded" and "feeble-minded" (among others), was once considered a valid descriptor in the psychological community, though these words have all now passed into common slang use, exclusively in a detrimental context.  In his later years, Goddard recanted his previous theories, but they had already been published and translated into German. His writings inspired the Nazis who sent people deemed "morons" to the gas chambers.[1]  u know where this can go, and has been.  aryan vs semite, vs non-semite, vs, the "chosen" vs ?  what a mess.   and we have been labeled as real morons/useless eaters by the illuminati. 

but then moron also means "force carrier" in "physics humor."  what?  so why is the term morontia, moron, assoc with mormons?  book of urantia?, from our other thread on that and is actually a term coined in physics.  a FORCE- CARRIER?  sounds pretty good and is certainly fitting. 

and the jesus tomb stuff.  dont even get me going on that (ascension=another possible meme injected in as meme of memes or? ) ETC ETC.  and the whole point of bloodlines.  supposedly, just read yesterday, ancestry, and the culmination point of all ancestry is to live on and complete missions, destinies, where the offspring are now in a 'gathering force.'  born from ancestors and pick up.... "WHERE THEY LEFT OFF."  where those that came before, leave IN US the messages, destiny, mission, WHERE THEY LEFT OFF.  its carried in our DNA.  DNA does carry the blueprint for each human.  and, this very thing was just talked about by SiriArc on latest posts, and is said up there, in Iriana's last sentence.  it is also the mainstay of thr33tim3's latest posting by bluestarspeaks in a  recent channeling (THANKS 3! that was a good one that summated alot, dunno bout that darn nesara mess tho).

and i have to say--now, aint that somethin...we gotta get "all the info all the time" from off-world sources.  came in that way, lived that way here all the eons, and goin out that way with that same notion.  THAT's whats wrong with the whole picture here.  a planet, said to be in sector 7 (too weird when i first saw that yesterday, because ive been calling my neighborhood here that VERY THING FOR YEARS), that has quite a galactic history, quite a mysterious story, very suspicious origins, tons of difft civilizations, with all their myths and gods, many religions and "books of wisdom", races and cultures that look and behave completely difft from each other--yet names. terms r repetitively used, concepts are similar.  the whole planet is one mighty melting pot, that cross-references itself with secrets, occult meanings, symbology.  thats the whole deal right there, backs up the notion of "grand experiment" alright.  the whole thing's a set-up.  from the get-go. anybody that had to forget everything to be here, agrees to it, but cant remeber that, then gets here, goes thru a ton of stages, trials, tribulations, has scars bith inside and out, tries to find answers AND questions, then searches one's ass off trying to find out all about it.  why DID i come here?  where did i come from?  who came before me?  why? who were they?  who am i?  who are u? what is all this?  what is "IT" and what am i to do about it. whats it all MEAN?  so much to it.  the comprehension/awareness of it is the search of the 'grail'.  and who does the grail serve?

all is unreal, unbelieveable, but is connected starting with the search for self, then the story and search go local history, then goes regional, gets more national, finally culminating in planetary, then galactic history.  we usually have to find out everything individually, all by ourselves.  always looking up in the sky or searching in archives on a planet that is one TRICK dog and pony show.  thats the real circus of it.  all i wanna do is sit in a big big chair, and watch videos of the history of the world.  with good beverages and really good snacks.  can u imagine?  in the best of theatres, with the best sound and HD screens, smells included.  they say the greys have all that.  and its been taped, catalogued, and can be requested.  im putting my order in.  been dying to see that.  thats the first thing im gonna do on cross-over, and i feel its appropriate.  i will finally then, be able to get down to the bottom of things, for the very first time, then.  absolutely cant wait.  i gotta see that show, from start to ? finish--or where i/we LEFT OFF. gotta do that as the foundation before can move on.

also been wanting to say.  not only did the witch burnings in the 1200's thru the early even 1800's, and even in saudi arabia a few weeks ago, ordered by the sheik; have to do with witches, and superstition, but MORE.  when that is researched, one finds that one of the REAL reasons so many WOMEN, and men, were burned, murdered, was because the church was searching out those they thought may have real "powers" because of descending from the christ, or of the "DESPOSYNI", and correlated bloodlines, and the keepers of same.   ppl were ENCOURAGED to 'turn in' name, etc. those that were difft and that maybe did have (sure of it) real traits, real powers, real characteristics.  the burning of the "witches"  was done to wipe out those women, in those days, seeking with great determination, to destroy those that may have carried the "lines."   and we all know that its the female who carries the mitochondrial DNA.  and the female is known as the "DAM"--as in horses, as in breeding.  and u have A-DAM.  ADAMA.  "the DOMA=goddess/goddesses"  the "daughters of the way" in the urantia book.  tie that up with all one can find on adam, isis, the 7 pleiadean sisters, the idea of 7 generations, by 7, and u get the "49" vibratory levels.   from above--"Souls organize themselves into Families, Groups, Clans, Nations, and Grand Nations. There are seven (7) souls in a Soul Family and seven (7) families in a Soul Group, and seven (7) groups in a Soul Clan, and so on.  Eventually, you will work with most members of your Soul Clan, that is 343 individual souls. However, for those of you who are teachers, you will more than likely reach your Soul Nation or Grand Nation, which totals almost 17,000 souls. The majority of your relationships, close friendships, and associations will be with souls who are from your Group of 49 souls."   let's plug in the 144,000 believed distinctly by the Jehovah's Witnesses, and now even more of a conundrum.  that whole 144--144,000 thing. who knows on that, even? 

curiously too, it is said that ppl's lives change every 7 years, as in the cycles of saturn, planetary influences.  like with the skins of an onion, peel off old layers, new layers arise from underneath.  the re-making or the re-inventing of oneself, every 7 years.  theres lots on that.  we're in that one now, 2007.  and it is true that the human body completely does remodel itself, with entirely new skin, the body's biggest organ, get this--every 7 years.  unreal.  im with u on this Iriana.  so interesting.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"