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Topic: The universe after 2012?

Dear Friends
kind regards
I was wondering if the enlightened people on this forum like Montalk could please explain in detail what life on Earth after 2012 will be like.
Some people are calling this the "golden age", "the transformation" and "the wave".
What will the World be like?
I'd like it to be explained in great detail.
1. What will the nations be like in terms of Moral, political and economical terms and what about poor nations like India and Africa?
2. Will Atlantis arise again?
3. Will America regain its power but be a positive force?
4. What about the other nations?
5. Where will the Illuminati and the Satanic bloodlines be after 2012?
I await your responses-I really want to know what the World will be like.
yours thankfully
John

  • Registered: 2004-08-19

Re: The universe after 2012?

I believe the outcome has yet to be determined. I think it will basically be a battle of the "gods" with humankind as the battlefield. It will probably be a big mess but humankind can hold up if they make the proper decisions. These decisions will probably determine the outcome of the battle. Humans possess freewill and freewill is unpredictable so it is really impossible to tell what will happen after 2012.

  • From: zerone
  • Registered: 2004-08-16

Re: The universe after 2012?

the universe will be the same after 2012

u should rename it to "earth after 2012"

the universe doesnt count time in years, especially human years.

here's a guess on my behalf;

the world will shift, magnetically, spiritually, and all of that Jazz. basically its what we've been hearing. our atoms will vibrate at a higher rate, thus entering 4th density.

BUT, listen to this; i heard from a channel that a PLANET can exist in both 3rd and 4th Density. What this means to me, lets see what u guys think; is that perhaps 'immature' persons might stay behind in 3rd Density, while most of the population (given we gain STOs) shift up into 4th, and exist on earth's 4th dimensional plane. the rest might still be on earth, but on the 3rd dimensional plane, thus hidden from us (4th) for the most part.

IMHO, i think they should send all the STSs back to Orion.

great topic though, lets us imagine !

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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  • Registered: 2004-04-06

Re: The universe after 2012?

I believe that there are defenitely people that will shift and those that won't. In every density you can see when a spirit is more near the threshold of their density then other's of the same species. That goes for animals and humans. I believe that those that are ready and spiritually evolved enough will be able to begin shifting their reality from 3rd to 4th.  I interpret the character Edward Bloom from the movie "The Big Fish" as a being that is walking a fuzzy line between 3rd and 4th density reality.

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Re: The universe after 2012?

Dear Friends
kind regards
I realise that a shift from 3rd to 4th density is coming in 2012.
I want to know about what the World will be like in a realistic sense as well as a spiritual sense.
What will the nations be like?
What will be on TV?
What will the politicians be like after 2012?
Basically in short what will the Earth be like.
yours thankfully
John

6 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2004-08-25 20:43:56)

  • Registered: 2004-04-01

Re: The universe after 2012?

I talked with David Wilcock (www.ascension2000.com) about this topic.  The following is the main part of what I can remember from what we talked about in this area.

I consider the following to be a possibility and I am not saying that this is "how it will be." I don't think that we'll really know just how it will be until it happens.

At the transition point, a surge of energy will come from the Sun.  It will basically destroy 3d life as we know it.  There will be very few plant or animal or human survivors after this major energy input, and given the 3d conditions they will likely not live long. 

A "clean-up" crew of higher density entitities (4d and maybe higher) will come in and detoxify the planet.

Entities will then come back to re-populate the planet.  Except for 4d will generally not be lived on the surface of the planet.  People will live in the atmosphere where the clouds are now (and further out).  For me, this brings the image to mind of heaven being in the clouds. 

4d is 100 times more harmonious than 3d.  It's a great place to be!  It feels great!  There may be some initial battles with 4d STS, but this planet is on a path to become 4d STO.  It will be harmonious and wonderful. 

Now I will switch to a few items of what 4d is like from my research in this area.  Individuals still have a recognizable individual form but in 4d, there are few if any secrets as all individuals are telepathically in contact with the other individuals.

It takes some time to learn how to live in 4d.  There will be a period where there will be no 3d souls coming to incarnate on Earth.  I understand that this is because if there were 3d souls here when Earth is newly a 4d planet, there would be a violation of free-will as the 4d entities would not have learned how to appear invisible to the 3d entities.

In terms of nations and politicians and TV I think that these may not exist as we currently understand them.

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Dear wandering1
kind regards
David Wilcock may have come to the same conclusion as me.
I either believed that we would see an improved World civilisation based on Morality and technological advancement or that the World we see today would vanish.
I have had certain feelings in my own spirit that the Nordic extraterrestrials would populate the Earth and run things their way.
Does Wilcock state that the entities taking over are Nordic ET's?
If Wilcocks prediction comes to pass(and I think it could) then lets hope that God doesn't allow any Illuminati, Draconians or any other demonic force to cause chaos to STO souls again.
Noahs flood was obviously done for the purpous of removing STS souls from the Earth yet they re-emerged.
Hopefully this next big disaster to remove STS souls from STO souls reality is permanent.
Did Wilcock state that this was a fact?
I'd like to know a bit more information from you.
yours thankfully
John

  • Registered: 2004-04-01

Re: The universe after 2012?

We did not discuss the type of entities that will be coming here once this is a 4d STO planet.  I think that it may be more significant that an entity is 4d STO than what its specific heritage is.  I am interested in the question of heritiage, I just don't have any info on it in this case.

Regarding the removal of STS souls from the Earth area, after some possible STS-STO battling, I think that Earth will be an STO planet for a long time. 

I don't think there will be too much concern about STS taking over again for a long period- they will have had their time here already.

I think it will be a big relief from the current situation.

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Dear wandering1
kind regards
Perhaps you can ask Wilcock about the entities coming here from the 4th dimension another time.
Obviously the Nordic extraterrestrials will emerge but that also raises the question of people like Auendove who claim to be ET souls in human form.
The Draconians and to a lesser extent STS souls have been at the forefront of this World for thousands of years..........I hope that the removal of them this time is permanent.
My belief is that if you are going to get rid of a problem then get rid of it full stop.
We are good STO souls on this forum and I am sure that no-one on here wants a repetitive repeat of the evil that we see on this Earth after the transformation.
If the result isn't permanent then whats the point?
yours thankfully
John

  • Registered: 2004-04-01

Re: The universe after 2012?

I do see what you are saying.  Evil certainly appears to be evil and problems do look like problems.  It seems like everything would be better if we could just get rid of the the evil.  However, maybe the problems can also be seen as catalyst for development.

I think that the result that may be closer to the permanence that you are referring to is unification at a level where good and evil are transcended.  This is a place where evil is not seen as "bad" but rather interesting and another way the the possibilities of the universe manifest.

This may seem vague, but I think it is the types of issues that come up at the higher levels such as 4d and 5d and 6d.

For now though, I do see that it might be nice to be done with STS for a while.   A long while.  Earth could have a nice vacation.

  • From: zerone
  • Registered: 2004-08-16

Re: The universe after 2012?

moralman wrote:

Noahs flood was obviously done for the purpous of removing STS souls from the Earth yet they re-emerged.

correction;

as ive heard it, certain ETs wanted to wipe out the entire earth and start fresh.

Other ETs, thought this was harsh (perhaps they had alterior motives) and warned a few humans that a flood was coming, and to build a boat.

it wasnt Noah's flood. and there were many 'Noahs'

[note; this also adds to the "wars between the Gods" because they didnt always agree on what to do with earth]


Have any of you ever read or studied the Tibetan (and other) beliefs? they think our entire solar system rotates around in a elipse much like the planets do, except on a larger scale.

they claimed that (try to picture this mentally) as our S.S. (solar system) moved AWAY from the center of the universe, counsciousness in the entities dropped, a.k.a they "fell asleep" in a metaphorical sense.
As the S.S. passed the Apex and began moving BACK TOWARD the center of the universe, people began "Awakening"
This has to do with the direction we move, and it makes sense that if we drift away from the Center of Universe, we begin to lose our connection to the Source. as likewise, as we approach the Center, we regain this connection to All that Is.

they had this cycle of the solar system mapped out, with years and names, although i cannot remember them off hand. and if i can remember correctly, they said the cycle takes 36,000 years ??

[note; i am sorry if some of this is incorrect specific numerical data, i will check on this at home later]

whats interesting is that they state that as we "fall asleep", our "memory" (not conscious memory, our Soul memory etc) becomes clouded. in other words, we begin mis-interpreting our ancient knowledge, we twist and corrupt ideals that were positive in the past, and we basically get confused.... which is exactly the case when it comes to all of this metaphysical and spiritual debate.

but im happy to say that according to this, we are beggining our way back to the source!

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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  • Registered: 2004-08-19

Re: The universe after 2012?

I think the cycle is 26,000 years, not 36,000.

  • From: zerone
  • Registered: 2004-08-16

Re: The universe after 2012?

sorry. i knew i'd get somethings wrong.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Re: The universe after 2012?

Dear Zonabi
kind regards
Your post is interesting.
Obviously it looks like the shift after 2012 is being done in remove human civilisation and replace it with something else.
I think that if there are any humans left then they'll probably be educated by Nordic extraterrestrials.
Obviously if humanity is wiped out then the ET's will obviously build a new civilisation and perhaps the STO souls will reincarnate into the World in this way.
This is close to my belief.
What do you think?
yours thankfully
John

  • From: zerone
  • Registered: 2004-08-16

Re: The universe after 2012?

the thing about it is this;

the reason for all of this turmoil and confusion is BECAUSE OF CONFLICTS BETWEEN ETs and their agendas with Earth.

so, to say that Nordics will come and teach us will mean that all other ET races that have spent time, effort, and lives 'helping' the Earth will be shut off. dont you think they will be upset ? its much like a Divorce, both parents want their child (in most cases)

my [current] belief is that the human race is not going to be wiped out. i think we will make a much smoother transition this time [compared to the past] and that We will Teach Ourselves.

Can't you see how the ETs have stepped back for the past couple of centuries and allowed humanity to learn on it own. compare to ancients when Gods walked on the earth and ruled humanity.

they have found out its best to let us learn on our own.

[yet some ETs still tinker with us; and others try to inform us]

quite an interesting discussion in my opinion.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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